Continuing the tradition... the NEW night ops thread. Please keep all night ops posts in this thread.
Old thread can be viewed here until it is deleted: http://www.totse.com/bbs/Forum7/HTML/015313.html

may i ask wtf hapend to it?

Nothing happened to it. It is time for a new one.

the neighborhood that i'm in has no trees, there's a house every 20 feet, and it's pretty well lit. how am i supposed to keep myself concealed in these conditions?

Quote: quote:Originally posted by se_killer:
the neighborhood that i'm in has no trees, there's a house every 20 feet, and it's pretty well lit. how am i supposed to keep myself concealed in these conditions? Keep low to the ground and dont have an clinking stuff, Also get down when you see something human like move and wait like 30 seconds. Travel by the darkness and the best time to go is at like 2:30-3:30. Good Luck

A new legacy shall begin.
For all of you new to night ops you should check out: The old night op thread, here.
And the archive
here.
If you have questions that you don't feel comfortable asking on here feel free to email me at Risk.NO@Gmail.com and I'll have an answer within the day.
Quote: quote:i live in the suburbs and it's really hard to sneak around because most every house is lit up like christmas. what do you guys suggest i do to keep myself concealed? Well, you could try going through yards. If not you can just follow the walls whilst wearing dark clothing most people won't pay attention to a small shadow.
Quote: quote:I was thinking of performing an op on a local construction site to try and liberate any tools that would be useful for future ops. From my recon i have observed that the tools are stored in one of those cabins that are always at construction sites. Does anyone have any experience at breaking into these? preferably without leaving a trace. Some Old Drunk Guy summed it up.
Quote: quote:The thing is torch, I dont really know until I get in there.
Depends on whats inside, and what there is to play with. Got any suggestions?
My objective is to get to the top floor. Its 6 stories high.
Ground level is a building site still, but there's a couple of people living in the top.
Its a big development, easy to avoid them.
Will probably go tommorrow night at latest. I'll post it. If you get to the top it's an achievement, you could also explore each level see if you find anything.

Well for now, good luck with your night ops.

This is basically a continuation of the other thread, keep the spam out of this one.

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I really dont understand these night op threads.....

~roby

Why cant we have a forum just to

Well, there was another one(not on TOTSE) but it went down, for now I'm sure this thread will suffice.

Night ops are about infiltration, entering and leaving no unintentional evidence of your presence.

The whole point is to prove your skills and get that adrenalin rush being somewhere you're not supposed to be, it's really a good feeling once you complete a good op.

If you're thinking of getting into it this, you're in the right place, any serious questions or discussions put forward will be answered. Don't be afraid to post your input, I'm sure the people here would like a different opinion.

What time are you people typically out for ops?

Latly I've been going 12-2am, but I think this is still to early.

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12-2am is definitely too early for thurs - sat, unless its a hide in plain sight urban operation, and probably too early for sun-wed - which is probably the best time of the week to go for a strictly covert operation. My opinion.
Btw Im going to play that apartment complex op like a computer game, with more points for the higher I get. Report later.
Where's everybody else's ops lately? Choscura Choscura is offline
iowa new zealand. Default next order of business worth addressing: tonkii (distraction devices).
does anyone have any sort of flash-bang IED that they use? I'm looking for something with either a timed fuse or a percussion activation (no 'light the fuse and throw' devices, thanks), specifically designed to be non-hazardous but to make a loud bang and a VERY bright flash (momentarily blinding someone). I'm looking for designs that have already been implemented, but any ideas on what sort of explosives to mix to get this effect are welcome also.
also, I have an idea for a piece of gear (portable) to make water infiltrations possible, but I have no idea where to get it, and only one idea where to start looking (alibaba.com)- fire-fighter oxygen supplies. I'll post any relevant links I can find to either of those two issues.
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Quote: quote:Originally posted by se_killer:
the neighborhood that i'm in has no trees, there's a house every 20 feet, and it's pretty well lit. how am i supposed to keep myself concealed in these conditions? This is pretty much the problem I face. Exept with me, there are some trees, canals etc. Say you are on an op, dressed in full gear and a car turns towards you and sees you, don't react, just keep walking casually as if you belong there.

DO NOT wear a balaclava. In these conditions camo only prevents you being seen, it does not disguise you when you are seen.

Quote: quote:Originally posted by Choscura:
next order of business worth addressing: tonkii (distraction devices).
does anyone have any sort of flash-bang IED that they use? I'm looking for something with either a timed fuse or a percussion activation (no 'light the fuse and throw' devices, thanks), specifically designed to be non-hazardous but to make a loud bang and a VERY bright flash (momentarily blinding someone). I'm looking for designs that have already been implemented, but any ideas on what sort of explosives to mix to get this effect are welcome also.
also, I have an idea for a piece of gear (portable) to make water infiltrations possible, but I have no idea where to get it, and only one idea where to start looking (alibaba.com)- fire-fighter oxygen supplies. I'll post any relevant links I can find to either of those two issues.
This is actually a very interesting point. Anyone?

Quote: quote:Originally posted by robyextreme:
I really dont understand these night op threads.....
~roby Then why are you posting here...

Quote: quote:Originally posted by Evil Furby Laugh:
Then why are you posting here... ..STFU
~roby

se killer and dark kaiser, this situation calls for a hide in plain sight technique.
You wear dark clothes, but casual everyday clothes for getting to and from the site.
I wear black trainers, pants and a jacket, with a light t shirt underneath.
When Im 'on site', I zip the jacket up and Im virtually as black as a ninja.
When I have to walk down a street, I unzip the jacket to show the light T which breaks up the black silhouette. Or even take the jacket off.
To a passing police car I look like a (albeit cool) mr average.
The key is plausible deniability. The same goes for tools if you're stopped.
A keychain leatherman is something you could reasonably say you carry everyday, with one of those keychain mini torches. A rubber hammer in your back pocket in a full ninja suit with facepaint on at 4 am is not so easy to explain away.
All theoretically of course.
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I need to get onto the property of a house that has 2 trees near the "Main entrance" it has 3 doors in total. The man who lives there usually goes for a bike ride at night. Me and my friend were on there before when he was riding and we know he wasn't near his house and he somehow found out. There are suspicions he has cameras hidden. Any way on trying to find them? And if so, how to disable them?

EMP... It's all you need.

He might just have motion sensors linked to a silent alarm, which would show there had been 'an' intruder in the grounds.
If he had cameras and seen you he probably would have confronted you, etc...
Worth confirming which before you go back.

Yea I don't think he would know our faces because I was at my friends house that night and they're across the street and he told his mom that "two kids were on my lawn" but he didn't describe us.
Crocodile83 Crocodile83 is offline Regular
US MO STL Default If your living in a rich area or a pretty good neighborhood, beware, cus I have noticed a trend. People have those lights with sensors so if they pick up your movements, then they turn on. My friend got busted while trying to burgle, cuz he accidently set of one light, which triggered a silent alarm, like stated above. He got lotz of community service time when the cops showed up. Crocodile83

If he can say specifically it was 'two' kids, that would suggest cameras.
Or maybe he's guessing/bluffing it was 'two' kids.
The other possibility is that another neighbour saw you and told him. And did you leave footprints in any dirt?
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Quote: quote:Originally posted by Choscura:
does anyone have any sort of flash-bang IED that they use? I'm looking for something with either a timed fuse or a percussion activation (no 'light the fuse and throw' devices, thanks), specifically designed to be non-hazardous but to make a loud bang and a VERY bright flash (momentarily blinding someone). I'm looking for designs that have already been implemented, but any ideas on what sort of explosives to mix to get this effect are welcome also. In my opinion, distraction devices won't be as good as they seem to be when you first get the idea. Firstly, a flash-bang will solidify any suspicion that a pursuer may have about whether they are actually chasing a human or just imagining noises. Also, if you choose to deploy such a device, the security official will most likely call for backup, and security presence will end up being increased (even in weeks after). Another reason not to use them is that, if you are caught, you won't get off as lightly (as you are carrying pyrotechnics on your person). Overall, the drawbacks outweigh the benefits. You can use them if you like, but you're better off using darkness as your ally, rather than flash-bangs. If you want to blind someone with less chance of him calling for backup, shine a flashlight in his eyes.
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Quote: quote:Originally posted by lexxx666:

If he can say specifically it was 'two' kids, that would suggest cameras.
Or maybe he's guessing/bluffing it was 'two' kids.
The other possibility is that another neighbour saw you and told him. And did you leave footprints in any dirt?
No we were mainly on his driveway and then the grass for only a few seconds. If there are cameras though is there anything I could do to try to spot them from afar?
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Use some binoculars from a parked car/neighbouring property.
Go round delivering leaflets. Did you tell anyone about it?

Tell anyone about what?

That you'd been on his property - third party's are always the weakest link.

The person that asked about distraction devices, take apart a disposable camera, one with one of those buttons where you click it, and you have 15 seconds to get into the picture. Should be pretty simple, no?

No the only people there were me, my friend, and his sister. And none of us talk to him nor does anyone else in the neighborhood. We were only on his property for about 30 seconds so I guess it was a neighbor who saw us or he has cameras or motion sensors.
That brings upon another question, If it's dark out, would it be easy to hide in someone's bush if they're home and I'm in all black?

it all depends on the side of the bush you are on.A your on the side that the street is on, no they won't see you, but beware of cars that can. B your in the bush, no one should see you either way. C your on any of the other sides of the bush, be wary of anyone on the street because they surely can see your ass. hehe,
sweet shit huh,
lexxx666 lexxx666 is offline
london. england Default If the conditions are right you can. If lights are on inside a house and it's really dark outside the people inside often can't see out.
Trying to look out is like looking at a mirror.
You can approach unseen right up to a house this way, provided the internal lights arent strong enough to illuminate the outside, there's not a full moon, no external lights...wouldnt recommend it tho' lexxx666

Hi, my name is Matt and I really want to begin night OPing. But there is oone minor problem, Im kinda chunky so I make alot of noise when I move around. Is there any loot around strip malls, because I dont want to go all the way up there just to look around and dissapear.
Any help would be appreciated. Thanks TOTSE.

Quote: quote:Originally posted by Sir smokes alot:
Hi, my name is Matt and I really want to begin night OPing. But there is oone minor problem, Im kinda chunky so I make alot of noise when I move around. Is there any loot around strip malls, because I dont want to go all the way up there just to look around and dissapear.
Any help would be appreciated. Thanks TOTSE. Lose some weight. Always glad to be of service.
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I highly recommend not taking any "burgulary tools" when on a night ops. If you somehow get caught, along with trespassing you can have points added on for preparing for the crime.
About nine months ago I broke into a school with 4 others and took about 8k total. We were caught and now are fucked. So be smart.
This is my advice... Work alone, Do NOT tell anyone, be careful of what you take, wear gloves. Even if you have a trustworthy accomplice it still means you have a 200% higher risk of being caught.

Matt, night oping is not for stealing. so your in the wrong post, now if for some reason the mall stole something from you then yes taking it back would be your rightful duty, so its just not another random crime. think of night oping as the navy seals, and then just going out and stealing ( yard shopping, car shopping.. ect.) as just mere boyscouts. http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif

Could someone kindly post a link to the "Way of the Shadow" night op manual. Cheers

Something you may have already seen.

wow thanks faithless.

Anyone got a link to that "way of the Shadow" manual...? Been searching for like an hour now.

I couldn't find the link either so i uploaded it.
here http://www.megaupload.com/?d=385E16MB
Also i managed to to an op on the construction site and to my surprise there was a skylight on top of it which could easily be opened from the outside. I didn't want to steal anything of value but i got some bolt cutters and a multitool for future ops.
Ed Lister Ed Lister is offline Regular
Perth, Australia Default Cheers duck_dojo
Also been wondering, on your typical NO when you are moving to your target how do you 'move' when getting there?. Like do you walk there just acting normally on the sidewalk, or do you move in shadows, down back of buildings, through gardens etc, trying not to be seen? Ed Lister

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Cheers duck_dojo
Also been wondering, on your typical NO when you are moving to your target how do you 'move' when getting there?. Like do you walk there just acting normally on the sidewalk, or do you move in shadows, down back of buildings, through gardens etc, trying not to be seen? Np http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif
As for your question. Some people adopt a 'Mr Inconspicuous' approach in which they wear clothing that would not look out of place on the streets but that it also suitable for night ops such as black trousers and jackets. This approach allows you to blend in and look 'inconspicuous'
Others opt to go for a technique known as 'Mr Invisible' in which they aim not to be seen at all during the whole op. Because of this they can wear whatever they want (ninja suits etc). However if they are caught like this then it is obvious that they are up to no good.
Which tactic you decide to use depends on the op and how comfortable you are with opping. hope that helped.
EDIT: the inconspicuous approach is also used when there isn't enough cover or hiding places avaliable between you and the target.
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Private School Recon - part 2
Gear- D.B shorts, D.B hoodie, black soccer socks, Cloth mask, black running shoes, gloves, pepper spray, sling shot, fishing line, binoculars, large screw driver, black B.P, note book and pen
( part one posted on page 12 on last thread and objectives for this one posted page 13 if you care )
I left at 1: 25 taking the back door out into our backyard then the gate into the front. I saw a jogger about 15 min but I was in a crop of heavy bushes well before he had the chance to see me. Besides that and a few cars no one was out. I arrived at the bridge leading towards the school overall in about 40 min- I quickly went to the part of the stream where I crossed last time and hopped across the rocks to the other side, though a little more careful this time. Using the binoculars I scanned the area for life but saw none. I scurried down to the security guard's hut to discover him sitting in a chair talking on a cell phone. I quickly climbed a tree near, but not too close, to the hut and peered inside with the binoculars. From my vantage point and the extra light I was able to discover at least what most of what their gear is made up of. I believe that I saw mace, handcuffs, taser?, small radio, flashlight, and I.D on the belt. I couldn't tell whether it was the same guy as last time but he was about the same size. I decided that I would climb down and wait for the guy to go on his patrol. I didn't check how long I sat at the bottom of that tree waiting could have been anywhere from 10-20 min before he finally moved. During this time a small drizzle started but nothing too bad. So after putting on his pauncho he headed out. I followed him from a safe distance using every bit of info that I have picked up and learned about stealth. This time the guard seemed to move a bit faster, my guess to get out of the rain. I followed him from about 2:30 to 2:55. When he started to turn around I hurried to a thick bush up against some steps leading into a building. When he past me I continued my pursuit until I reached a point in the road where the trees reached up to the side walk. After jumping in there I began to speed up until I caught up. I pulled out my sling shot and selected a small pebble from my pack and took aim. I hit him in the middle of the left butt cheek. He spun around but I was well hidden. He pulled out his flashlight. and put the beam in the woods and around the surrounding buildings. The beam actually came on to me but I was attempting the whole " take the shape of nature" thing so it passed on. I guess he decided that it was his imagination or something so began walking back, but I remained in my position and did not dare to move. After a while I decided to move again but I still remained in the woods. It wasn't long before I ran into a little trail in their. I am guessing that their cross country team made and uses it so I followed it for a ways; it never deviated out of site of the road. Eventually I ran into the tennis courts. It turned out that a part of the road dead ended there forming a small parking lot and there sat the, I presume, the security guards truck. I made a few notes and checked the time, 3:40. I decided to check the truck out before returning home. Looked inside but saw nothing of interest. I was about to leave but then I saw the beam of headlights coming down the road. For some reason I had not heard or seen the car coming, the trees maybe?, and there was no time to run any where. I didn't think that hiding beneath the car would work very well so I jumped into the back of the truck. I heard tether other car pull in and park as I pulled out the can of pepper spray and got mentally prepared. It turned out that two guys got out of the car. I guess that the guards were changing shifts and the new security guard gave the other a lift to his car. I was scared absolutely shitless. I wasn't sure what to do but decided to

ride it out. They said goodbye and the guy got into his car. I was afraid that the inside light would give me away but he didn't notice me. He drove off, fast I might add never go in the back of a truck over speed bumps, until he reached the entrance. Here he hade to stop due to a red-light. He lit up a cigarette before turning the radio on and I decided then was the time to leave so I hopped out and crouched/ran towards some bushes. He never seemed to notice. I guess that He had his mind on something else, thank god. As soon as he pulled off I high tailed it home. I was still scared as hell from that little experience, but it was that good kind of scare- it was the full and pure adrenalin rush. Nothing happened after that. I reached on and was inside my room by 4:30. I pronounced the Op a success.
This story above and the original part one are just the fragment of imagination in an adolescent's mind. It is all pure fiction without the slightest bit of truth in it. All made up. Nothing happened. Nor does it mean or imply that anything of this related nature will happen in the future.

You shot him in the ass and he just carried on? In your imagination of course...

LOL!! I've gotta get me a sling shot. But guards are actually very bored and fed up and get payed fuck all. Ive found that if you keep screwing their minds by making sounds etc then they will eventually get terrified and in some cases lock themselves inside or in their cabins. Sometimes they really don't care about the place that they are payed to guard.

No, he looked around with his flashlight.

Hats off to you for heeping your head during that "ride". I think I would have lost it and missed my opportunity to get off or something. Good fictitious op.
EDIT: A possible op tonight would involve me doing a bit of biking on the road. I would need to pack my opping gear in a backpack,bike along the road, and change once on location. My only problem is passing off riding at night with a backpack full of camoflage to a cop. Any ideas? I really have no idea.
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Well my op went to shit.
Secant, say you're just coming back from army cadets/paintballing/iraq...say you went to a friends house afterwards to explain the time (brief a friend first as cop is likely to check)

How does one disable a camera out of reach and is accessible by computer, and enable later when hes done??
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That's a very good idea. I can't brief a friend, though, as it's too late at night. Hmm...
I could say I'm just out for a bike ride because I can't sleep. I took my backpack (full of op gear and a paintball gun) because I read online somewhere that you could strengthen your lower back muscles by wearing a backpack while riding or running or whatever. I have my paintball bag because it was already packed up.
Actually, that isn't bad. Hell, I could even hide my multitool and stuff under a piece of black fabric at the bottom. I guess it could work.
EDIT: SODG- I think it will depend on what software is used to interface with the camera. If you can gain access to the computer, I bet you will be able to shut off the camera, and turn it back on if you pass by the computer again. Don't leave fingerprints on the computer.
Getting my gear ready now... Hope my shit's together.
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Sir.Shadow Sir.Shadow is offline
Bahstan Default I have a problem. I have done a few op's around my city, but I have practically explored and been everywhere to be. I have to say my city is the most boring place ever, but nevermind. If anyone has any suggestions to typical places I could explore. But before you ask theres no way your getting where I live casue I trust the people on Totse about as much as I trust myself to not masterbate nightly...not at all. Sir.Shadow

Quote: quote:Originally posted by Sir.Shadow:
I have a problem. I have done a few op's around my city, but I have practically explored and been everywhere to be. I have to say my city is the most boring place ever, but nevermind. If anyone has any suggestions to typical places I could explore. But before you ask theres no way your getting where I live casue I trust the people on Totse about as much as I trust myself to not masterbate nightly...not at all. well for anybody who goes into construction yards if the locks arnt on its just handleswith locks in them its ok they are temp. doors just slide like a credit card thhrough it make sure to push the little lock bit and you are in its very fun to go through what will someday be some freaks house

There is no way i can get to the computer. The camera covers all entrances. Plus, the computer is password protected. Could a camera like this see in the dark though? Can any cameras see in pitch black?
I think ive found a way around the camera, i found windows in the front of the house where i could go through, but ill need to get passed the screen. I need to do this w/o leaving a trace because the "item" im after probably wont be missed, or the owner will think he/she misplaced it (trust me, this "item" is worth it). The screen wont open, and the screen is huge so popping it out would be out of the question. Im thinking of just cutting the screen a little at the very edge, then just pushing the screen so it looks like it ripped out due to wear & tear. This probably wont be noticed for a while, since there is plants and junk blocking the screen.
However, if i can get by the camera either by going by in the dark or disabling then re-enabling it, it will be much safer.
Thoughts on both my ideas?

I don't have internet at my Mom's, so my night time activity has naturally been NOing. Getting better, but I need to get a job, so I can get some decent gear. I am going to buy a training board from a company called Metolius Climbing (The Slim Gym Workout board). It'll help the upper arms, and It's fun to have hanging right above the doorway. (I didn't intend to advertise, but I think that excercising the upper arms is important for NOing, and I feel that that is one of the best ways for me.)

For the duration of this post, the word "I" will be equivalent to the acronym SWIM. None of the following has happened, or will happen.
I just got back from my longest op yet. http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif

Objective: gain entrance to school.
Procedure: Bike out to location 1, change into gear, test for open windows/doors, exploit if found, return
How it went: The biking out part was fine. I ran into a grand total of one car. The trails were a bit tricky, though. I kept losing sight of the trail, as my flashlight beam couldn't illuminate enough for me to easily tell the difference between the trail's dirt and the leaves surrounding the trail. Nevertheless, I made it to location 1, where I changed and hid my bike and backpack. I took a perimeter of the school, testing windows as I went along, and found no open ones. The most interesting thing I found was a strange security light that switched between very bright and very dim at about one minute intervals. I contemplated getting on top of the roof, but there was no way for me to do so. I was out of luck, unfortunately, as I don't yet know how to pick locks. I returned, but used a main road instead of the trails. It was fine. There were almost no cars at all. I could have used it to get to the school. After that, I just rode home.
Lessons learned:
-Learn to pick locks.
-Stuff is way more closed than you'd like it to be.
-Watch the lights. Maybe they'll do something interesting.
SODG-I know that night-vision cameras exist, though I don't know if there's a way to tell if a camera is one. I'd go for the screen idea. If the screen is in a doorframe, there is a slight chance that the screen is only pressed in. In this case, sufficient force will pop it out. However, I'd be more inclined to cut and then tear it until you can get through. You should be able to get it to look like someone hit it in some way, or that wear and tear broke it. You might even try making it look like a tree limb fell on it, if that's feasible. If you can skirt the cameras by using the darkness, it might be worth a try. Just cover your entire face so there's no way to make a positive identification. If you know that the camera isn't watched, you could put a piece of paper in front of the lens, but that defeats the purpose of not giving it away that someone had been there. Good luck with your "item".

I will repost my guide;
Training For Night Operations(Night Ops)
Just a basic guide written by me, to help you in your own preparations for Night Operations, took me a while to write so don't just flame me!
--Technique--
A Tactical Manual for Nighttime Missions

This is a good link, it will provide you with the basic idea of a night op, and hopefully make you aware of what you need to do in order to succeed on an operation, read it through. I do not have much to say about this apart from practice in the daylight so you get used to being silent and efficient, but IMO, if you are intelligent enough, you won't get caught.
--Training--
Firstly, I think you have to be realtively fit to do NO's, a fat 15 year old kid isnt going to be that great at keeping silent and getting away..not to mention the heavy breathing of a fatty. Sorry chubs, lose some weight before you get into this.
Running - Chances are you will need to do some running at some point within a night op, so practice it, go out running two or three times a week, and progressively increase the distance/intensity so you get better, soon you will be fit as a fiddle and be able to get away from a chase.
Try these for running techniques
Jogging - This is to help your endurance, just a nice gentle jog, if you are a "n00b" you might feel you're aching after anything from 1-5 miles most probably, so do something which is suitable for you to start and progress slowly.
Sprinting - Practice Sprinting, it will seriously benefit you, I am confident of outsprinting anyone in my community, and have done on several occasions. Sprinting burns fat like mad as well.
Interval Training - Google the term "HIIT" for more information, this will burn fat like crazy! It will get you fit in no time at all.
You need to master different aspects of running, you can practice this stuff at a local field or park or even just round your block, I am currently working on maximum length of a flat out sprint.
--General Fitness--
BUD/S Warning Order
This is the NAVY SEALS Warning Order, if you complete it, you will be incredibly fit. Have a go if you think you are intermediate -> advanced at training, not for beginners.
--Jumping--
Air Alert 3
This is the Air Alert 3 program, it will help you increase your vertical jump goals, this will help when jumping through gardens over and onto walls, over fences etc, and chances are it will improve your sprinting techniques as it improves the explosive power in the legs.
--Strength Training using limited equipment--
OK, you don't need to be Mr Olympia to be good at NO but some strength training implemented into your current routine will help you tremendously with NO, remember we aren't trying to get huge muscles, we want functional strength so we focus on exercises like
Pull-ups
Chins

Pushups(Handstand, Elevated, Normal, Close Grip)
Hanging Leg Raises
Bodyweight Squats, Calf Raises etc.. for the legs
I actually implement gymnastic type training into my routine, it makes you strong as hell and coordinated which helps when climbing anything or springing off the ground for a fast take off. I recommend some Power Rings... Available Here your strength will be at a new level in no time whatsoever. Apart from that stick to the basic exercises mentioned above, pull-ups are essential as it works the muscles used in climbing. If exercises become to easy...MAKE IT HARDER! try one armed pushups, HARD ARENT THEY!! I can do 12 at the moment; my arms are ridiculously strong from them. Just add imagination to everything.
If you check out Combat Fitness - you will find almost every bodyweight exercise worth doing on there, if you are unsure about exercises, ask me my email is at the bottom.
Olympic Body through Bodyweight Conditioning
Check the above link out, its fucking awesome, and it will sculpt you into a new level of fitness.
--Weight Training--
Don't go overboard with weight training, and I can imagine most people in this forum will flame the fuck out of me for putting this section in, oh well, tough shit.
I do advocate weight training but only low volume, low reps and stick to the basics, this adds insane strength but I still think Bodyweight Conditioning is more suitable for Night Ops than weight training itself, but variety is the spice of life so do both if you can, you can pick up
a 300lb Barbell set for $99 from Sports Authority I think(I don't live in USA so I wouldn't know)
Also, make sure you keep your training functional, remember you are not a bodybuilder, you are a NOer, chances are if you're doing half the stuff I told you, you will have a damn good physique anyway, and better than those juiced up meatheads down at GOLDS!!!
Stick to low reps, low volume, this is beneficial for adding strength without unnecessary bulk. If you can get hold of the book "Power to the People" by Pavel Tsatsouline then read it.
Stick to the basic exercises;
Deadlift
Squat
Bench Press/Floor Press
Overhead Press
Hang Cleans
For more on functional training visit Crossfit
--Climbing--

Go out and climb trees and buildings or anything! It certainly helps not only with upper body strength but this will help on an op in a variety of circumstances.
--General Links--
Parkour Techniques - although "parkour" is a sport, some of the fundamental aspects can be excellent use on a night op, I once had to "precision jump" from tree to tree(you can practice floor precision jumps in your garden), and wouldn't have been able to do it without practice.
www.infiltration.org]Infiltration - Check it out.
--Notes--
Remember this is just a very basic training guide, and I would recommend training with your pack on, then you get used to having this weight with you. Read through the threads to find out what to take in a rucksack.
I am going to write up a more in depth guide when I have the time probably with and FAQ as well if you have any questions email them to me at sparkym@gmail.com (this is also my MSN Messenger "addy" so add me if you want). Put "NO QUESTION" in the title of an email you send, so it doesn't get deleted as SPAM. I will be sure to include some questions in the article remember I have been training for a couple of years and have a good level of fitness/strength so ask me anything regarding training, as I have learnt what are the best methods are for certain aspects of Life and especially NO through trial and error.
If you have anything you would like to add let me know please, as I want this to help people to the maximum effect.
Thanks for your time, I hope you enjoyed it
-extremist

Over the past 2 years I have been experimenting with lockpicking and have become proficient in this ever changing art form.
Although I have one problem.
When I do manage to finally set the last pin and turn the tumbler I turn it halfway and it sets again. This is not the problem in itself as I am aware that one must either turn the tumbler very quickly or use a plug spinner.
The problem is that I need to know exactly how many revolutions one must turn the tumbler as I am know painfully aware that if this is done incorrectly not even a key would work!
And as one of the main purposes of lockpicking is to not damage the lock or leave any residual presence that would indicate that the lock had been tampered with.

If anyone can tell me how many revolutions to turn the tumbler and get it into the position that it would have been if a key was used I would be very grateful.
Thankyou in advance.

yo extremist great guide. Iv only read the first one so far but i will continue.

Quote: quote:Originally posted by duck_dojo:
yo extremist great guide. Iv only read the first one so far but i will continue. Hey, no problems...remember this is mainly a physical fitness guide. I think that people who go on Night Ops should have elite fitness combined with outstanding skills in stealth etc..in order to succeed.

Quote: quote:Originally posted by -extremist:
Hey, no problems...remember this is mainly a physical fitness guide. I think that people who go on Night Ops should have elite fitness combined with outstanding skills in stealth etc..in order to succeed. I completely agree with this. Having all of the best gear, stealth, and infiltration skills is completely useless if you can't run a mile to save your ass, or pull yourself over a wall or fence.
duck_dojo duck_dojo is offline
Default I usually go on ops on my own but sometimes i go with a mate who i work with who is actually quite good at them. Recently he got married and I don't know if he still wants to go on ops but if he does how would he get out of his house? He can't exactly tell his wife (who is a devout

christian) where he is going and if he just sneaks out and she wakes up then it wont look good.
Is anyone else here married and if so how do you manage to night op? duck_dojo

Quote: quote:Originally posted by Ed Lister:
Anyone got a link to that "way of the Shadow" manual...? Been searching for like an hour now. Quote: quote:Originally posted by duck_dojo:
I couldn't find the link either so i uploaded it.
here http://www.megaupload.com/?d=385E16MB
I just finished reading through this guide, and I must say, it's top notch. Definitely a good read for anyone interesting in NOs. Whoever wrote it should submit it as an article here. Also, -extremist, do you have an AIM or ICQ #? I'm always looking to talk with other experienced oppers. My ICQ # is 76052497 if anyone wants to chat. Put TOTSE or something in the request so I know it's not spam.
EDIT: Had to add something.
[This message has been edited by KolmeK (edited 08-22-2005).]

The way of the shadow was written by psychlonic who used to post on the night ops forum but hasnt recently and i cant blame him. Its gone to shit recently.

Actually i disagree, this topic has been going good as far as i can tell. No pointless, annoying

posts so far.

Anyway, secant, thanks for the advice. Im going to do this tonight, the screen way. I decided that as long as i dont wake anyone up or move things around/make a mess, they wont know i was there. They probably wont notice the screen until the end of the summer.

Its... ITS ALIVE!!!

Seriously can't people make their own instead of making one extremely large enough it will float to the surface , if its -MephistoView Public Profile Visit -Mephisto-'s homepage! Find all posts by -Mephisto-
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Quote: quote:Originally posted by duck_dojo:

The way of the shadow was written by psychlonic who used to post on the night ops forum but hasnt recently and i cant blame him. Its gone to shit recently. I also disagree. Although we have covered almost every relevant thing by now, there is always more to learn, and always more places to explore. Although I must say, the same 'I ran through my neighbors yard and stole a reflector' stories are getting a bit old, as are the same questions being asked over and over again. As -Mephisto- said above, post your stories in a a new thread unless we can all gain something from it. I'm just glad to see so many people interested in what I consider a very good hobby.

[This message has been edited by KolmeK (edited 08-22-2005).]

Someone mentioned having Night Ops as its own forum, this idea makes sense to me. People would be able to post stories and questions in there own threads, and people will notice it and help out better. It would be like nanobots site.

Ok i agree that it has started getting alot better but it's still not as good as the old threads. I miss people like psychlonic and infrared. http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif
Also getting our own forum would be good.

Hahaha...this one time, me and my friend jump into a backyard unaware 3 little girls (about 7 years old) are in a pool. And i don't know what they are doing swimming at 12 at night. Anyways, they come out of the pool, and they ask us "what those guys are doing there", and the mom comes out and screams off the top of her lungs "GET THE FUCK OVER HERE DO NOT TAKE THE CANDY!"
It was great.
Oh this other time my little brother took a shit in a plastic bag and threw it in somoens pool at night.

I wouldn't mind having a 'covert operations' forum or something of the sort, but I doubt it will ever happen. Although with as much traffic as this single thread draws who knows. It is still technically a 'bad idea' which is why it is in this forum. And I do agree that most of the supposed experienced night operators seemed to have moved on. There is still plenty of useful knowledge here, none the less.
Also, I noticed lots of people said they are running out of places to go. I suggest trying abandoned factories, warehouses, etc. Some of them are still very well secured, and can pose quite a challenge to get into. At the very least, they are excellent practice, and you can wander in them

for a long time. Just be cautious, just because it isn't currently in use doesn't mean there are no alarms or guards. Also take note that some of these places in disrepair can be very dangerous.
The Torch The Torch is offline Regular
Inside the cage that is my mind. Default Quote: quote:Originally posted by SmallTimeCrook:
This is my advice... Work alone, Do NOT tell anyone, be careful of what you take, wear gloves. Even if you have a trustworthy accomplice it still means you have a 200% higher risk of being caught. I 2nd that.
Quote: quote:Originally posted by Sir smokes alot:
Hi, my name is Matt and I really want to begin night OPing. But there is oone minor problem, Im kinda chunky so I make alot of noise when I move around. Is there any loot around strip malls, because I dont want to go all the way up there just to look around and dissapear.
Any help would be appreciated. Thanks TOTSE. 1)Stop smoking
2)Go to the gym. I have gone to the gym every day for 2 weeks(without a member ship) and worked out, swim a mile, and sat in the sweat room. On op's you might have to jump over stuff, clime onto the 2nd story, and run down rivers(I do anyway run down the river that dives the houses, gives me cover, I'm not on the road, and I can see into thare backyards, but they cant see me)
3)Dumpers Diving at strip malls will give you books(The more you know the better you are at ops ), rugs, computer software, and most anything you can think of they throw away.
4)You could get a job at the strip mall and when you close up forget to lock the back door. Come back at like 3 am and take all the shit. But they might looking at all the shit in your house so don't keep that shit thare.
5)Last but most important Night Op's are not about stealing they are about being the master of the night. Getting into places that your not allowed. Try this go downtown latte at night and climb the fire exit latter of a tall building get to the roof. Then enjoy the lights and the feeling you get from being 1 of like a 100 people to ever be whare you are. Then if you want to steal open the roof door(most of the time they are open).
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Well thare was this building downtown last year. It was (and still is) underconstruction. It had this steal sidewalk all around the whole building to the roof. I climbed it and the roof was unlocked I went in and got power tools, a bb gun, and a real pretty box.
I think that we should have a competition to see who is the best night oper. Thare would be 3 Mods and/or Admis judges. Pic's with newspaper clips would be proof. Whatever what do you think?
This story above and the original part one are just the fragment of imagination in an adolescent's mind. It is all pure fiction without the slightest bit of truth in it. All made up. Nothing happened. Nor does it mean or imply that anything of this related nature will happen in the future.
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Uhhh..no it actually happened, why would i say it if it never happened?

I'm working on making a Night ops forum in phpBB, but since I've never done this before and am forced to use free webhosting, I can't promise anything. If I manage to get it up and running, I'll let everyone know.

Posting pics of newspaper clippings would get you caught, and some people wouldnt be able to prove anything because they dont leave a trace.
Try to get that forum up secant.

about the idea of the screen, my idea might be a bit late for that chap, but just pop out the screen and take the whole damn thing back with you. maybe the would think,.. hmm i thought there was a screen,... maybe not... ya know
tar

Extremist- I meant to ask you about the parkour. I've found maybe two or three places near me to do that, as I have no car and live in a small area. But, all those places were houses that had recently been built (this was about a year ago). But, a few months ago, they were sold. So my first op is to go back to these houses and do what I used to do. When I finally get a car, My ops will be to go to some spots in the city I have noticed.

Psychlonic, is there any way I can get a hold of you on ICQ or AIM? I read your guide, and although I already knew everything you presented, I enjoyed it. I would love to chat with someone with your knowledge and skill. A like mind is a great thing to share in my opinion. My ICQ number is posted above, message me there if you don't want it to be public knowledge.

Second operation was completed this morning. It was pretty boring, but there were two close calls. First, we went by a house that was completely dark only to notice that the basement lights were on. My partner went past the window, but I stopped and watched for the college-age guy to quit looking in my direction. At one point, I thought he had seen me, and I heard a chain rattle on the porch behind me (they have a dog there) so at this point I was scared and just booked it and ran about a block away to a nice dark garden. Second close encounter occured on the side of a small house. My partner crossed the yard and hid in some trees. As I was about to cross, I saw the back of someones head in the window. I paused, then a few moments later the light went off and I heard talking. Again, I figured "fuck it" and we ran another block. All in all it was a success, it was fairly boring aside from those two highlights, just exploring parts of the neighborhood that I have never seen.
The preceeding was a work of fiction, and does not condone crimes such as trespassing.
Ideas for future fictitious operations;
Putting stuff in all the pools around my neighborhood. What though... I thought food coloring, my accomplice says cream cheese. Such a dilemma. :P

I have some words of wisdom, was waiting for the right time to metion them, but it hasn't came up so i'll just throw them out there. so here it is.
JOIN CROSS COUNTRY OR LONG DISTANCE TRACK AT YOUR HIGH SCHOOL IF YOU ARE STILL IN IT< OR IF NOT JOING A RUNNING PROGRAM?COMMUNITY
i am damn well sure that no one is going to catch me on foot! i am the fastest muther in the central illinois area.
no cop, or person in a house is going to beable to catch this 4:28 miler, 9:36 2miler, and 14:40 3miler. i feel safe out running anyone in a condition that calls for it. because if you took my advice and joined a group then the workouts you will eventualy weill do will enable you to out SPRINT people too. i am also a 24sec 200, 54 sec 400 runner
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Default Quote: quote:Originally posted by Some Old Drunk Guy:
There is no way i can get to the computer. The camera covers all entrances. Plus, the computer is password protected. Could a camera like this see in the dark though? Can any cameras see in pitch black?

I think ive found a way around the camera, i found windows in the front of the house where i could go through, but ill need to get passed the screen. I need to do this w/o leaving a trace because the "item" im after probably wont be missed, or the owner will think he/she misplaced it (trust me, this "item" is worth it). The screen wont open, and the screen is huge so popping it out would be out of the question. Im thinking of just cutting the screen a little at the very edge, then just pushing the screen so it looks like it ripped out due to wear & tear. This probably wont be noticed for a while, since there is plants and junk blocking the screen.
However, if i can get by the camera either by going by in the dark or disabling then re-enabling it, it will be much safer.
Thoughts on both my ideas?
yes. They have IR (InfraRed lighting). Your best bet is to cover it with a bag (an open camera) or a sticker/post-it note (for a domed camera) Sentinel owl

Cross country is definately a huge boon to your opping ability. There is no better way to build stamina, strength, and speed. After months of hard running and hills, you'll be uncatchable. Run with pipes or other weight to strengthen your arm muscles.

i just run for an hour every night. My stamina is through the roof.
Thanks sentinal.

Fuck yeah! After many agonizing hours of fruitless labor, I have finally managed to stumble across the cPanel installer for phpBB. As soon as I get the forum set up, I'll edit this post to

include the URL. Expect a forum soon (within the next 12 hours)!
EDIT:
Here it is: www.nightopsforum.worldfreeweb.com/forum
If you're a poster here, sign up!
[This message has been edited by Secant (edited 08-23-2005).]

Quote: quote:Originally posted by Secant:
Fuck yeah! After many agonizing hours of fruitless labor, I have finally managed to stumble across the cPanel installer for phpBB. As soon as I get the forum set up, I'll edit this post to include the URL. Expect a forum soon (within the next 12 hours)!
Yay! http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif
On another note, how much time a night spent jogging would be good to get in decent shape while not taking up too much time? And also, anyone know a good way to measure the distance you've ran, as apposed to those step counter things? I can easily see my pace slowing down and then they would overmeasure...

[quote]Originally posted by Some Old Drunk Guy:
[b]There is no way i can get to the computer. The camera covers all entrances. Plus, the computer is password protected. Could a camera like this see in the dark though? Can any cameras see in pitch black?
lol what the fuck do you think somebody does a bit to much crack

Quote: quote:Originally posted by Psychlonic:
Nonsense, I've never been above talking with newbies, but I've only recently had the time to actually see what was going on here. Infact, I posted on page 10 or so in Night Ops V but either nobody knew who I was, or the post was simply overlooked - rather funny I thought.
The fact that you see a lot of rehash in the Night Ops forums just shows that all the information is hard to find in one place. Very few people on this board have read each and every Night Ops topic.
Then there's the different generations of operatives who come and go. The first generation, who were around during Infrared's days here, are found few and far anymore. A lot of people here are new now - nothing wrong with that. When I wrote "The Way of the Shadow", a lot of people were new then, too. While the information was the best of my knowledge at the time, I doubt that was what made everyone such a good operative. Instead, it opened up the thought process of the possibilities that they actually had.
In short; inspire and teach a newbie, create a competent operative. Both are important. What kind of work do you do? I remember you making reference to firefighting at one stage. Also in what area do you live and how old are you?

Whilst on a recon i have noticed a potential way of entering my target building (a warehouse still in use) but it requires a lot of climbing and some climbing on sheds. The sheds have a thin layer of tar on top and im not sure how they are supported. How strong would these shed roofs be?

If it's just a layer of tar, then I'd guess that the roofs are made of plywood covered with the tar. If this is the case, they should support your weight fine.
In case you missed it, the forum is up!
www.nightopsforum.worldfreeweb.com/forum

I am planning an op on my school. The place is heavily alarmed but the doors on the balcony are always unlocked with no alarms there (for obvious reasons). If I could somehow climb up there I would be able to get straight into the computer room and get some nice equipment but the only way I could do this would be to climb up a pillar with a grappling hook. Does anyone here have any experience with these and does this sound like a feesable plan?
I'l post pics of the exact place soon.
Some Old Drunk Guy Some Old Drunk Guy is offline Regular
USSHB Vice-Head of Your Mom Default Secant, it doesnt work. Plus, make it so that only members can see it. Email Nanobot for help, he did a pretty good job running his. Some Old Drunk Guy

Quote: quote:Originally posted by Dark Kaiser:
I am planning an op on my school. The place is heavily alarmed but the doors on the balcony are always unlocked with no alarms there (for obvious reasons). If I could somehow climb up there I would be able to get straight into the computer room and get some nice equipment but the only way I could do this would be to climb up a pillar with a grappling hook. Does anyone here have any experience with these and does this sound like a feesable plan?
I'l post pics of the exact place soon.
DONT POST PICS
and get a ladder, not a grappling hook.

everything that i am about to type is fictional, and should not be taken seriously by any kind of law-enforcement agency.
hey guys. i am facing a simmilar issue with a grappeling hook, because for my op i am planning to op a 1-floor school. All doors and windows are locked, but im sure that if i get up on the roof ill find a ventelation duct that i can pry open with a crowbar. The only idea i had about the hook was to go to a welding shop, and ask them to make one for you. A ladder will not work simply because its too large to carry in a backpack. if we set off an alarm, we wont be able to get away quickly with a ladder, and leaving it behind will leave evidence. Any other ideas?
There was also a FORD-800 propane dump truck parked in a dark construction site with some suburban homes near. The doors are unlocked and the windows are always down. The thing has already hotwired, and has a button that starts the engine instead of a key. During my last night op i went inside the thing and thats how i know it. I did not take anything from it. It is a very short drive to leave the city from where the truck is parked, but that will be some pretty serious shit. any ideas for what me and some buddies can do with the truck?
I repeat once again, that what was just said is fiction, and should not be taken seriously by anybody with a badge
[This message has been edited by the_russky (edited 08-24-2005).]

why do they put tar on roofs?

dont steal a damn car. Use the grappling hook then, just know how to use it.

what security features do they usually put into 15 year-old schools? i know for a fact that there are mostion sensors in the hallways, just like in every school ive been to. I think that the schoolboard over here is too poor to afford cameras, but is there any other things i should worry about? The problem is that ive never been inside the building, but air intake tuct looks pretty big, and i could climb through it i think...
and i understand that stealing a dump truck is a pretty crazy op, but maybe i could simply drive it about 10 metres into a dich that not too far- taht would piss people off haha
the fact that the thing is already hotwired has to be taken advantage of

is spidering windows loud?

Quote: quote:Originally posted by the_russky:
what security features do they usually put into 15 year-old schools? i know for a fact that there are mostion sensors in the hallways, just like in every school ive been to. I think that the schoolboard over here is too poor to afford cameras, but is there any other things i should worry about? The problem is that ive never been inside the building, but air intake tuct looks pretty big, and i could climb through it i think...
and i understand that stealing a dump truck is a pretty crazy op, but maybe i could simply drive it about 10 metres into a dich that not too far- taht would piss people off haha
the fact that the thing is already hotwired has to be taken advantage of The truck thing is a waste of time. Dont do it. My highschool has motion sensors under every entrance, cameras that arent monitored, and only some doors have sensors that tell when youve opened and closed them. Make sure the door isnt alarmed before opening it, wear a mask (obvious), and stay away from doorways, or motion sensors in general if they arent by your doorway. As long as you're careful you'll be fine. EVen if you do set off an alarm it isnt the end of the world. Just get our ass out of there.

I had a very risky but successful night op last night. It's the final night before school starts, so I snuck onto school grounds, got past some teachers still hanging around, and grafittied the building.

SODG, it does work. The only problem is that the server occasionally just stops working for periods of time. It's really annoying, and if it keeps up, I might simply get another server.
Did Nanobot make it so only members could see it? I'd be happy to do it, but is there any reason in particular why this is good?
And- do you know his email address?
the_russky the_russky is offline
Default yo first of all, the school is a jr. high (middle school) and its a fairly small one- about 500 students. I am positive that it has no security guard, and pretty sure that there wont be nay cameras. But the sensor that goes off when you open a door/vent kinda freaks me out.
i have questions now
1- if i trigger an alarm, will i know it? can the system just calls the coppres witout telling me that anything has been triggered?
2- Is there a way to get past the motion sensors?
3- Are ventelation ducts the same as they are in movies? (vide things that go all over a building)
4- What should i be cautious of if i a using a ventelation duct to get straight to a classroom?
5- What will the coppers do if an alarm is triggered? How much will they check the building?
6- How many friends do you think i should bring?
7- How should we get away? (bike or walk or fruitboot)
8- What to do once im inside a classroom?
I was thinking that the best way to avoid motion sensors would be to take the duct over to a classroom, and never actually go in the hallway.

***The above is work of pure fiction, and none of these acts have happened, or will ever happen, blah blah blah....***
the_russky

Whats happened to most of the posts on this page?

midgetville? what the fuck? leave those sonsofbitches alone and go tag a police station or something. its really not as difficult as it sounds.

whats with night ops threads and forum bugs? this page is missing like 15 or so posts..

Quote: quote:Originally posted by Choscura:
midgetville? what the fuck? leave those sonsofbitches alone and go tag a police station or something. its really not as difficult as it sounds. wtf kinda totse member are you. Who wouldn't wanna tour a small village of hermet midgets?

Well i live in a neighbourhood thats pretty remote, nowhere to explore, or get into..there used to be an old factory, i went there...git in through the window and played witht he fire extinguishers and stuff, was pretty fun, and it had a massive black safe in one office, but i never got into it, it was like one of those old stand up ones the size of a man, but they tore it down for housing.
Now theres our village, with alot of houses a corner shop and a pub, theres like a community centre down the road, i could try going there and have a snoop round, but other than that, nothing.
I sneak down the road a bit and through a hole in the hedge, then theres the duel carrageway, and across that theres alot of big big fields but theres nothing there to do..anyone got any ideas of what i could do?

among_the_living you should try to get into the pup. Who knows what could be in thare.
And go to http://nightopsforum.worldfreeweb.co...wforum.php?f=3 its better needs more people.
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Quote: quote:Originally posted by Garrett:
whats with night ops threads and forum bugs? this page is missing like 15 or so posts.. I think Viz deleted them. Everyone with the site on them.

Any barns, farm buildings...?

Quote: quote:Originally posted by the_russky:
1- if i trigger an alarm, will i know it? can the system just calls the coppres witout telling me that anything has been triggered?
2- Is there a way to get past the motion sensors?
3- Are ventelation ducts the same as they are in movies?
4- What should i be cautious of if i a using a ventelation duct to get straight to a classroom?
5- What will the coppers do if an alarm is triggered? How much will they check the building?
6- How many friends do you think i should bring?
7- How should we get away? (bike or walk or fruitboot)
8- What to do once im inside a classroom?
1- Most of the time you will not know anything until you see flashlights or blue lights.
2- Moving 1/16 of an inch every hour works well.
In other words, no. Go around them if possible.
3- No, some go to the roof, some drop 30 feet, some lead to a *small* opening in the bathroom. Everywhere you see a vent in real life, you could be lead to by entering the wrong hole. Entering through vents should only be attempted if you have an extensive knowledge of their ventilation system.
4- Not getting in. Odds are you can't get in through the vent. If anything else, maybe the fall...
5- Cops love tracking down kids(or waht they think are kids, anyways)breaking into schools. They'll hunt you down with dogs normally. They'll go into at least every room and hall. Not sure if they'll shine their flashlight into the top of closets or on the ceiling, though....

6- It's best to not bring friends on ops unless you can't operate without other people. Make sure they know what the plan is, and what they're doing. Maybe 1 or 2 at the most.
7- Run into the nearest woods or crowd of shaded buldings. Make your escape quick. That's the best advice I can give you without seeing where you are.
8- If you really haven't figured that out why the fuck are you even asking all these questions?
You're welcome for my time, though.
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hardtown, hardstate, hardnation Default Quote: quote:Originally posted by UN!F13D:
Me and about 5 of my friends are going to go up to this one place about 15 miles from my house called Midgetville(no this is not a joke.) It is supposedly a place in the middle of nowhere where there is a small community of midgets. They have like 7 foot house and shit. But they also supposedly shoot a potatoe gun at trespassing cars. Here is the best satilite photo that i could get.. http:// www.geocit ies.com/pi stelli32/midget2.JPG
Its supposedly right in that clearing to the right of the road. You can kinda make out a house or two. But alot of them are in throughout the trees.
Besides parking somewhere else down the road after we find it so my truck doesn't get jacked up, what other precautions should i take, what should i bring besides That sounds fucking awesome. All I can say is if you are caught don't bother trying to hide or maneuver away, just sprint as fast as you can back to your truck, because there's no way some midgets can catch you.
HARDMAN

well tonight we and my friend are going to a different construction yard but the 1st floor is locked and there are windows open on the second flloor i have no idea how to get in there is no scafloding
help

Quote: quote:Originally posted by niggaz on night ops:
well tonight we and my friend are going to a different construction yard but the 1st floor is locked and there are windows open on the second flloor i have no idea how to get in there is no scafloding
help Ive had this trouble before try to pull yourself up onto the guttering of the first floor then from there just walk on the tiles until you can reach a 2nd storey window. If the house isnt designed like that look for a balcony on the 2nd floor if it does have one get a friend to give you a boost and climb up on the balcony supports. Otherwise you could just use a rope or grappling hook.

I've found myself being lazy, and not in the mood to go out on ops anymore. Any cures? I live in a small town, nothing exciting. It was great the first couple times or so, but it's just gotten boring. I'll think about going, then just sit down and play a game or something, and forget all about doing it... on purpouse. Please give me something to Op about! I need inspiration guys!

Among_The_Living What's the factory you're talking about? I know the Preston area pretty well, didn't think there were any abandonded ones, except that BB's packing place- And last time I was near there, it was still very secure with fences & Cameras...

Quote: quote:Originally posted by Siatek:
Among_The_Living What's the factory you're talking about? I know the Preston area pretty well,

didn't think there were any abandonded ones, except that BB's packing place- And last time I was near there, it was still very secure with fences & Cameras... Well..i mean Preston ENGLAND,lancashire....so if your american then it will be a different one http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif but if not, in much hoole, that small village in preston, about, id say, maybe a little over a year ago, there was a factory, or big office building there, near the A59 road, but they tore it down to build houses.
EDIT: if you give me your msn, or email or something we could talk, maybe do a night op sometime or something.
[This message has been edited by among_the_living (edited 08-27-2005).]

So I take it that night ops has gone back to a more exploration style? For a while there it seemed like nobody wanted to go on ops just for fun, they all had to steal something.

Yeah, night ops were origionally about that, if you are going out to steal then it isnt really a night op.

Hey Pshycho Fraud - send me an email - azrunner66@yahoo.com

Swim has a bit of revenge to do. He wants his cd's back and a little revenge. He plans on doing this in at least a few weeks whenever theres a big storm late at night to cover him the best. He plans on taking out the window that isnt facing the street and getting in and getting all the cd's, cd changer, and whatever else is left behind. Then for added fun he is going to open the gas tank and spray some Great Stuff in and twist the cap shut so they cant get gas without repairs and hopefully breaks down in the middle of the road. Hes going to wear gloves but no ski mask so if the 1 to 10000 chance anyone sees him then he wont look suspicious. Then swim decides to take out both side mirrors and the remaining driver window and let the rain get in the vehicle. If all goes well then swim might do another car real quick in another neighbor hood and get home asap.
good? bad?
Secant Secant is offline Regular
Default That's not a night op. That's vandalism. Secant

well since tons of the posts got deleted, can whoever posted the fitness guide for night ops repost it please? I was really impressed so i saved a text of it, but i didnt copy down some of the links (stupid me)
the ones i need are
BUD/S Warning Order - This is the NAVY SEALS Warning Order (was this a site, or just recommendation thingy?)
Air Alert 3 (Again, was this a link or a recommendation? i cant find a free source for this)
Olympic Body through Bodyweight Conditioning (I think this was a link, was this it? http://www.dragondoor.com/cgi-bin/ar...articleid=229)
Crossfit (This was about strength training, was this the link? http://www.crossfit.com/)
Parkour Techniques (This was in the general links section)
Thanks, i have the rest saved off if you want to repost it or whatever. Post in this thread and ill email it to you.

Everyone sign up HERE.
This is the N.O. forum, proper place for N.O. discussion.

No one is posting on totse night ops anymore, everyone has gone to that new forum. http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif

Quote: quote:Originally posted by Siatek:
Among_The_Living What's the factory you're talking about? I know the Preston area pretty well, didn't think there were any abandonded ones, except that BB's packing place- And last time I was near there, it was still very secure with fences & Cameras... If you are on that othe rnight op site give me your name so we can talk maybe

Quote: quote:Originally posted by Risk:
Everyone sign up HERE.
This is the N.O. forum, proper place for N.O. discussion. the webpage is really slow is your mysql server locking up or does the site limit your bandwidth or something
ps hi all

Hey, Nano. The server is going through maintainance issues or something, as it will work fine for a while, and then crash for a few minutes, then start working again. It's gotten better than it has been, but it's not perfect yet. They're currently going through all of their accounts and deleting the unused and illegal ones. Nano, if there's anything I'm missing, please tell me.
EDIT: sp
[This message has been edited by Secant (edited 08-28-2005).]

if you post your email i will send you a complete back of my old site it has all the fancy security that all night opers ask for (ip banlist of ALL country goverments, md5 password encrytion and of course a blacklist)

Does anyone have any stories about getting caught or someone they know getting caught? Im interested to hear these. I try to soak up all of these type of things so that I wont make the mistakes others have made.
thanks,
P.F
Also any stories of close calls would be welcomed .

nanobot - drop me an email...
americanidiot423(at)gmail(dot)com
nanobot nanobot is offline
Default i have sent you off an email but if your a cop the header wount give you any ips http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif nanobot

http://tinyurl.com/ca2p9
ninjalicious, the founder of modern day urban exploration as we know it, has died.
I never met him, I didn't personally know him, but I very much doubt anyone like him will come along to fill the void he has left any time soon.
may he rest in peace, and if there is a heaven, I bet he's allready pissed off the other inmates by going in uninvited already.

nano me too
mailman2008(at)gmail(dot)com

ok, so of course you need a backup. if someone sees you doing something and you dont want any witnesses, or some guy is realy pissed cuz u went in his yar or something, you gotta do

something about it. i was thinking about chloroform. is it legal to ave chloroform? is it legal to knock people out with it? even if you dont but your in your night ops clothes and have it, and the cops catch you, is that enough to get you charged? thanks, Matt

Quote: quote:Originally posted by ark_gamer:
I had a very risky but successful night op last night. It's the final night before school starts, so I snuck onto school grounds, got past some teachers still hanging around, and grafittied the building.
nice, on the day before school im gonna sneak in and inject epoxy into all the locks

Oi Secant what's up with the forum?

welll read the anoncements i was adding security normally i would of closed the forum for anout an hour or two but secant wanted to keepit open so i just worked on the live systems which is why all that was happening

Midgetville low quality pictures.
Entrance 1: http://www.geocities.com/pistelli32/100_1057.JPG
Random normal shed: http://www.geocities.com/pistelli32/100_1058.JPG

http://www.geocities.com/pistelli32/100_1059.JPG
http://www.geocities.com/pistelli32/100_1060.JPG
http://www.geocities.com/pistelli32/100_1061.JPG
http://www.geocities.com/pistelli32/100_1062.JPG
AND this is the only one that u can tell is a midget house:
http://www.geocities.com/pistelli32/100_1063.JPG
I just exceeded bandwidth so i will describe the rest later.

Quote: quote:Originally posted by UN!F13D:
Midgetville low quality pictures.
Entrance 1: http:/ /www.geoci ties.com/p istelli32/100_1057.JPG
Random normal shed: http:/ /www.geoci ties.com/p istelli32/100_1058.JPG
http:/ /www.geoci ties.com/p istelli32/100_1059.JPG
http:/ /www.geoci ties.com/p istelli32/100_1060.JPG
http:/ /www.geoci ties.com/p istelli32/100_1061.JPG
http:/ /www.geoci ties.com/p istelli32/100_1062.JPG
AND this is the only one that u can tell is a midget house:
http:/ /www.geoci ties.com/p istelli32/100_1063.JPG
I just exceeded bandwidth so i will describe the rest later. use photobucket or something other than geocities dude...

For convenience, the night ops forum is now available from
http://www.nightopsforum.com
nanobot nanobot is offline
Default hurray a domian name this is great http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif and ps http://www.nightops.tk is up and running too
[This message has been edited by nanobot (edited 08-31-2005).] nanobot

HOW COME I CLICK PAGE 4 AND GET AN ERROR IS OSMEONE NIGHT OPPING THE FORUM?

Quote: quote:Originally posted by spider plant:
HOW COME I CLICK PAGE 4 AND GET AN ERROR IS OSMEONE NIGHT OPPING THE FORUM?
First off, theres no need to yell. No one is NO'ing the forum, dipshit. Its the internet. A mod deleted some posts, those posts made it up to page four, and when they got deleted, the page number stayed at four. In otherwords, forum glitch.
In other news-
Im going to infiltrate a school, get into the main office, and see if i can get into the computer system. All of your basic security. Cameras, magnetic door alarms, motion sensors, possibly sound sensors, and police zone checks every hour.
*This post is entirly hypothetical. Nothing will come of this hypothetical op. Its all in your head*

sounds good how you going to get around the magnetic sensors?

Nano, (and anyone else who cares), my recon has shown that all of the doors have the dual hinges. If you dont know what that is, its where the doors swing both ways. Ive been working with my alarm system at home trying to use a magnet to bypass the door alarm, and i got it to work. If you want a step by step process, i can type it up and email it to you.
*Insert Disclaimer Here*

Quote: quote:Originally posted by among_the_living:
Well..i mean Preston ENGLAND,lancashire....so if your american then it will be a different one http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif but if not, in much hoole, that small village in preston, about, id say, maybe a little over a year ago, there was a factory, or big office building there, near the A59 road, but they tore it down to build houses.
EDIT: if you give me your msn, or email or something we could talk, maybe do a night op sometime or something.
Aye, I do mean that Preston, add me at OSD@Talk21.com If you want. I don't go on Op's, but I know the area around here pretty well.

I need to mask my body heat so lights don't turn on. Some have their sensitivity set so high that they turn on when I'm in the middle of the road.

Whare do you sell stuff at?
The
Torch
Out

Quote: quote:Originally posted by mcpeepanties:
I need to mask my body heat so lights don't turn on. Some have their sensitivity set so high that they turn on when I'm in the middle of the road. Go for a quick swim in some liquid nitro.

Quote: quote:Originally posted by Ahk:
For convenience, the night ops forum is now available from

http://www.nightopsforum.com Why aren't guests allowed?
HARDMAN HARDMAN is offline Moderator
hardtown, hardstate, hardnation Default Quote: quote:Originally posted by The Torch:
Whare do you sell stuff at?
The
Torch
Out Ebay
Overstock.com
Classified ads
People in the night ops forums HARDMAN

Guests aren't allowed so more people join, also so unwelcome passers-by don't find out something they shouldn't(e.g. your parents).

--- hypotheticaly speaking ---
i went on my first night op. it was more of a scout op so that i could figure out the schedules of things and what i'll need and such. my objective was to go across a field of some weird agriculture(they grow weird shit in miami) and get with 20 yards of the building. it's almost 4:00 AM and i'm really tired because i've been on a 2 hour night op. i had to abort the op halfway because i'm almost positive that this guy thought that he might have saw something. well, i gotta crash now.

[This message has been edited by se_killer (edited 09-02-2005).]

Quote: quote:Originally posted by blackcat:
Nano, (and anyone else who cares), my recon has shown that all of the doors have the dual hinges. If you dont know what that is, its where the doors swing both ways. Ive been working with my alarm system at home trying to use a magnet to bypass the door alarm, and i got it to work. If you want a step by step process, i can type it up and email it to you.
*Insert Disclaimer Here* I would realy like to now more. what type of magnetics and such please post step--by-step in resoases on the other forum

Nanobot-
I will, it'll just have to wait until i get back from the beach for the weekend. I'll type it up and post it monday or tuesday.

Quote: quote:Originally posted by blackcat:
Nanobot-
I will, it'll just have to wait until i get back from the beach for the weekend. I'll type it up and post it monday or tuesday. ok blackcat i will be waiting to see it. it sounds really interesting

Whats happened to the nightopsforum?

Quote: quote:Originally posted by lexxx666:
Whats happened to the nightopsforum? Yeah, it's not working.

oh i thought it was just me but i cant even get www.worldfreeweb.com to work for me any of you?

It hasnt worked for me for at least three weeks or so.
nanobot nanobot is offline
Default hum im currently setting up a new server with should be up in a couple hours and have the backup on it if saecant giver it to me nanobot

Yeah, they must have shut it down again for some reason. Odd. Anyway, it'll be back up again in a bit. If www.worldfreeweb.com doesn't work, then it means that the server's down, as their site is on their own server. Be patient, I guess.
PF- Three weeks? Wtf? What does it tell you when you try to get on?

Just the " This Page Cannot be Displayed or has Expired " thing. I remember some others talking about it a while ago in the last NO.
By the way can anyone here tell me the proper way to open a locked door with a crowbar. I am tring to find the quietest way while going about this. Any things that you have picked up that could help me?
[This message has been edited by Pshycho Fraud (edited 09-04-2005).]

im assuming you don't mean with a lockpick set?
I find that most ways other than lockpicks are too noisy so i just try to find another way around. Why not post some more details about the building so another way in could be figured?

Yes I mean without a lock pick set. I still don't know how to pick a lock but as I keep going about NO it is becoming more apparent that this is a skill needed to have.

Trust me, there is no other way into this building except though the door. - sorry but I don't really want to say much at the moment about the place - From what I can tell, this door was originally built to be fairly strong, but the years seem to be finally getting to it. Now fortunately for me this objective is far enough away from others that silence is not 100% necessary, so I will be able to make a little bit of noise, but why not try to do this properly now when I can afford to try something new?
- P.F

does the door open out or in if out then just pull the hing pins out.

whats a good idea for my first night op. i have clothes, and i would also like to make money on it. tonight im going to do some recon, and if theres any OBVIOUS things that i can do then i will. any help is appreciated,.

No, the pins are not within my grasp. Basically all Im asking is where in the door should I insert the crowbar? Should I place it by the lock or start at the bottom and work my way up to the top of the door? Does anyone know? Anything better that I could do instead?

put it at the latch and saperate the door frame and the door so that you can have agap between so you can just push the door open.

Quote: quote:Originally posted by Nidias_91:
whats a good idea for my first night op. i have clothes, and i would also like to make money on it. tonight im going to do some recon, and if theres any OBVIOUS things that i can do then i will. any help is appreciated,. Why dont you do an OP on a highschool, get yourself a balaclava or disguise and get some tools and break into the canteen or vending machines. Be cafeful not to alert sensors inside the buildings.
Cepheus Cepheus is offline Acolyte
London England Default I'm getting some new gloves for my night ops, what do you people think is better, Kevlar or Seal Skin? Cepheus

Psycho Fraud have you considered drilling the lock? You'll need a portable electric drill with a bettery pack and it could take a while to drill the right place but it should work eventually. It will of course make a lot of noise but as you said this might not be a problem.

wow its been a while....but heres the scoop:
Building, rectangular with secrity cameras on each corner however on one corner a camera is covering the parking lot and not the side of the building so that leaves a blind spot in their security i plan on taking full advantage of.

Cameras: they look similer to this: http://tinyurl.com/cyrhy and need to know what kind of quality the picture is. The targeted area is very dark and i was wondering if a simple piece of duck tape would be enough. Becasue if the quality sucks and its dark then everything will just be a big dark blur without the ducktape and things will just be a little darker with the tape. These cameras will be monitored by a human so unplugging the cable is out of the question.
Once Inside: I think their is a small indoor security camera watching the door i will be using to gain entrance to the facility. Does anyone have any suggestions of what to do with that? it may be dark but the camera will still see the door being opened and a dark figure come in.
[This message has been edited by twe4k (edited 09-05-2005).]

Do you know were the security guard (who watch's the cameras) is?
Can you see him? If so, wait until he leaves to go to the washroom or if he goes for a cigarette. Better if he goes for a smoke, you'll have about 7-10 minutes to do your thing.
Carry mace. Bear mace is great.
If it can take down a bear, it can take down a person.

Quote: quote:Originally posted by 00258:
If it can take down a bear, it can take down a person. If you can dodge a wrench, then you can dodge a ball.

Dodge mace? You can be 9 feet away from bear mace and you will begin to freak out.
The bear did. Trust me. If you know what your doing.

no the guards not a problem, the camera watching the door is. Hes out in some little shack thing in the parking lot

I would join your forum,
but the serious lack of good posters(there's about 5) has me turning away, there's about 4 people with 100's of post when they've been on one/two op(which they now think they're ultra pro).
The only reason they have such a high post count is because it's a "race" to get the highest, I could put all their posts together and they would include less 'good information' than a quality poster, not only that one of them is a moderator where as another great poster is not even recognised.
Quote: quote: posted by lexxx on the N.O forum
You can just tell, skinny, weathered pock marked face, desperate...why else would he be trying to rob people in broad daylight?
Or it could have been crack etc...take your pic Someone asked a great question: how?
You assume because he tried to rob you he must be taking drugs? You feel you must
then place them into a group to make yourself feel superior? Allot of people have similar issues, another reason not to.
The number of the word 'you' is spelt "u" is just wrong.
Nano bot's old forum was so much better, the questions were answered faster and people didn't spam it so much.

This is night ops, not shit, not day ops, NIGHT-OPS.
Here are some suggestions to help your forum.
-Encourage better spelling
-Remove the weaker moderates(Moderators should know their stuff about night ops,
one op doesn't make you pro).
-Merge them into all around moderators(you can have user groups? Then make the whole group moderators of each forum).
OR add a secondary admin.
Not everyone can be a mod, fewer quality ones would work better.
(You have the control you don't have to think about feelings)
-Lock posts in the announcement forum and close it to non moderators/admin and delete everyone else's post other than the announcement.
It's announcement not
"here's another forum for you to get posts in, create short posts so you can reply many times"
-Stop all the talk about a sponsor and ads you're never going to get someone interested in an illegal activity, especially since it's against the rules. No one will sponsor it because what's the point? At most 5 people would buy their product. Publicising night ops is such a stupid idea.
-Make a decent site where you can host reviews of things and good resources as somebody suggested.
There </rant>
Don't defend it either you know it's all true.
[quote fix]
[This message has been edited by Rock (edited 09-06-2005).]

no offense, but your site is a douche bag.i think totse needs to make a whole section about night ops for us! i mean there are a ton of us, and it would be a lot more well served than b&e, or arts, or all of that crap.

Psycho Fraud you had any more developments on getting through that door yet?
The cordless drill is still my personal recomendation. Bullchaser Bullchaser is offline Acolyte
California Send a message via ICQ to Bullchaser Default hey anyone in the NYC wanna do Night ops or does anybody wanna buy a laptop cheap Bullchaser

yeah this like the third geration of opper here so most of the old ones have moved on or such

How can i get into my school if the windows are bulletproof and the doors alarmed? No guards or cameras.

wtf bulletproof how do you know? if they told it is a lie. oh on a side note bullet RESATANT glass will not stop an arrow or something simlar.

sdjs: I can tell from this ingenious piece Quote: quote:Location: Yo mamma' you out smart me.
Nano it's not so much about the spelling it's just abbreviating that gets me when I see
"hey how do u get ur stuff?" and "When u r better" etc when it's not necessary.
I know you try and I really don't care, as long as it's legible without every you spelt u. I again may have taken it too far but I respect you for understanding, thanks.
You and Psychlonic are IMHO the tied for the best posters on that site.
Message for 'lexxx': have you ever taken heroin? Read Night ops V.
Yes I've been around longer than you, I contributed to almost that whole thread (page 3+) until I ran into the law (which I left for a while).
And no I wasn't referring to you, you've shown you have decent skills, sorry if you felt I was attacking you.
Secant
You've taken away the most of the night ops people from the totse thread so where can I go for night ops?
The old thread was great, no one could spam, and it was intelligent conversation.
None of you have defended with anything other than "I can't spell 'you' properly, take that hahaha, I'm such a kewl"
Well sdjs the jokes on you, you're just further proving your ignorance.
You've got 6 moderators.
Stop the applications for new mods and upgrade a few of the mods into all around so you always have someone modding.
Your forum had a great start, but everything has the potential to be better.
I'm sorry if this is seeming to be an attack, but I felt the need to voice my opinion.
I realise I could have said it with less personal attacks.
I apologise I admit I was being an ass hole.

OK so I went back to the building on a last recon OP. I found absolutely no way to loosen the windows, large metal fencing in front of it and besides, I cant even fit through the tiny space.-It seems that I have really underestimated this door.It is still is quite strong; Im sure that it is possible to break through but I really dont want to leave evidence of someone being there. I noticed a tree, that for some reason I had not realized previously what this could mean, which was growing close enough that I could jump on to the roof. I climbed it with some difficulty and managed to see out onto the top of this building.( It didnt look so high from the ground below so I decided no to jump this time) Any way there was a vent sticking out of the top of the roof, the kind that either takes in air of blows it out. I was wondering if this is a possible way into the building, or is this just wishful thinking? Advice would be appreciated.

I really was resisting joining in on commenting on the Night Ops forum, but now I feel I have to say something. As a moderator there, I must say I am yet to see you (Rock) contribute anything useful, unless under another name? You have very valid points, and the site certainly has issues that has to be addressed, such as pointless moderators, but there is nothing I can do about this. What I do want to say is not everyone is born a night ops master over night. Some people suck, and they have to learn somewhere. These people that suck, and post without knowing anything, are the ones that I feel it is my real duty to help. People that have it figured out, don't need some forum to tell them how to get into a building or stalk through someone's back yard, they can figure it out on there own with a little common sense. I am sure someone will call me a noob or whatever for sharing the years of experience I have with others, but so be it. End of my rant.
EDIT: Oh, Pshycho Fraud, I highly suggest you not try this, unless you know for a fact you can fit, and it drops straight into the building. People have gotten stuck in vents like this and had to wait till the cops came to rescue them, or fallen very far to their deaths. You might want to look for an access hatch on the roof. I have entered several buildings through maintenance hatches on the roof. Also, some skylights open from the outside or can be unscrewed. Find another way in.
[This message has been edited by KolmeK (edited 09-08-2005).]

yeah on the vent idea i wouldnt do it unless you do some more research if you have camera take tons of pictures of it (side view, top view, detailed in side if you could) use something for scale if you could to see if you would fit. if are doing to do the vent thing post agian and i will give you my basic ropes use in opping speach.

CORDLESS DRILL!!!! works on any door mate.

well the NO forums went to hell in a hand basket...but anywase can someone give me the URl to these new NO forums? I consider myself a veteren operator and would like to set some of the guys in the new NO foums on the right track...and by the looks of it you guys could use a good poster
KolmeK KolmeK is offline Acolyte
Somewhere in the US of A Default Quote: quote:Originally posted by twe4k:
well the NO forums went to hell in a hand basket...but anywase can someone give me the URl to these new NO forums? I consider myself a veteren operator and would like to set some of the guys in the new NO foums on the right track...and by the looks of it you guys could use a good poster http://nightopsforum.worldfreeweb.com
KolmeK

Quote: quote:Originally posted by Bullchaser:
hey anyone in the NYC wanna do Night ops or does anybody wanna buy a laptop cheap Laptop? Drop me an E-mail at Aelous@gmail.com

hey ive been waiting to post here for awhile
---this is totaly hypothetical---
my best freand and I went on our first night op like 4 weeks ago and it was nothing big here it goes
the mission was for me to get on top of an old school and be the look out while he checked this shed across the street. on the way there we had some mis haps like i ran into a fence and did a faceplant in some landscaping rocks and he got closelined by a cloaths line and almost lost his glasses(we found them)and we chose a really hard rainy night but the rest of it went alright. we dident find anything in the shed worth taking for a suvineer or anything but it was setting a president by us knowing we can go
well im off to school remember this was toatal fiction http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif

Ok, so I've been wanting to go on a SERIOUS op for a while now, and by that I mean actually accomplish something. any suggestions?

I havent been on the comp lately (i punched a hole in the wall), and i just snuck on.
Me and my friend are considering doing a serious night-op on a walmart thats going up outside of town. The walmart is already making in-town businesses going out, and im not letting it continue. My friend feels the same way, and he is someone i would trust my life with.
I plan to completely sabotage this construction site.
Details later.

sorry for my typos/ spelling http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif any who where are the original people like infered and vine man and others, POST i love your guys veiws/stories and things

crow bar if you have any run down buildings that are used for storage or somthing thats a good place to start

does anyone know a good site for getting really really cheap spraypaint i need it for i op on my old school

Home depot or some other hardware store doesn't have you covered?

Ops should never involve spraypaint. Thats just vandalism, and not really an op.
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quote:Originally posted by Sanity0verRated:
Ops should never involve spraypaint. Thats just vandalism, and not really an op. I wonder how many times this will have to be reiterated. Here is infiltration's ethics guide that somebody posted on the forums: http://www.infiltration.org/ethics-nodisclaimer.html . It's not completely applicable, but it has some very good ponts that should be paid attention to. Secant

Does no one have the time to give me any constructive advice? I want to op during the day, but when it comes time, I can't think of a reason, nor do I have the will to op. Help?

Try planning, if you plan it out you'll be more excited. Recon, walk past your target a few times see entries/exits if it's a building.
Spray paint, no.
Go join a decent crew and learn to do it properly
and stop calling it night ops!

Army Field Manuals
CAMOUFLAGE, CONCEALMENT, AND DECOYS http://tinyurl.com/8rqwp
survival, evasion, and recovery http://tinyurl.com/79ovf
thought you all might like these http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif

Quote: quote:Originally posted by Psychlonic:
Hey c2, where have you been? I thought you left the scene for good. Are you back in the shadows?

Yes actually I've been forced out of "retirement" a few months ahead of schedule. I had to retire for a while to let things die down.

ok so me and my friend want to break into my old schools and frame some kids.... is there a good way to get access we were there?

You better know your computers. It's not as simple as walking in and changing some grades. You will need a username and password if you want to get into the server without cracking it, and the log on time will be recorded. They will find out which grades were changed and who would have the reason to change them. That being you.

i agree with c2 but i do suggest that if you can op in twice then rape the server crack the passwords need then op back in and do what ever.

Hmm at the business school I went to, the server is running constantly, and I don't think you need the password as it's already logged in... But then again it is behind locked doors in a little room, but I doubt that any of you guys would have problems with that lock...
I myself have been thinking about breaking into my former school and changing my own grades as I totally ought to get better grades... But I don't know if they're even saved digitally anywhere, or whether maybe they just have a copy of my diploma or something...

yeah, locks werent a problem at the school. the password was saved to the computer so we logged on and made a couple of people fail and gave some ppl who will be framed A's. oh and something else, what is the most trouble you could get in for car shopping?
Sanity0verRated Sanity0verRated is offline Regular
Tennessee Default There isn't really a 'most' trouble you can get in. It depends on what you get caught with, how many cars, all that stuff. My friend got 3 months in juvy. Sanity0verRated

Quote: quote:Originally posted by bear_snatch:
yeah, locks werent a problem at the school. the password was saved to the computer so we logged on and made a couple of people fail and gave some ppl who will be framed A's. oh and something else, what is the most trouble you could get in for car shopping? Don't say a word til you get your lawyer. He will tell you what you're looking at.

hey guys been awhile again like a week or so
any who what would be the best way to get into an old school im not sure if it has alarms but im not sure so if i have to run i can, and its not that far from a hide out and its really not that far from a freands house
any way lets get some night op storys in here
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Does Urban Exploration count as a night op? I've been doing a lot of that lately, like sneaking up to abandoned buildings and trying to gain entry. It actually provides quite a challenge, especially when the target is heavyly boarded up and across the street from a police station.

^I don't see why not, IF you were to be caught its still break & enter and/or tresspassing.

Ark-Gamer, what you do is the perfect example of a night-op! Thats the way!
You dont understand how happy you just made me. Seriously, i might cry.
The possibility of getting caught is something we all accept. Dont think about that too much.

Quote: quote:Originally posted by ark_gamer:
Does Urban Exploration count as a night op? yes urban exploration is excatly how oping started out and is how it sould be still.
what is up with the forum www.worldfreeweb.com works but not our forum
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Lately, I've really gotten away from the whole car shopping and vandalism thing and more into urban exloration. No profit, but i love the challenge. Plus, I make up objectives like photographing something or whatever to keep it interesting.
So last night, I decided I would get into a gravel pit/concrete factory place and take some pictures. I went down the long access road after parking my car and approached the place. It was empty. Mind you, this is an active site, not abandoned.
Seeing that is was empty, I went into the main building. There was a ton of machinery, adn I spied at least three levels of catwalks. I figured it would be fun to check them out.
I got up to three stories and walked around the perimeter of the building. Then I heard a truck engine.
A semi with a tank trailer was pulling into the complex fast, and I was thirty feet in the air. I dashed inside and went flying down the stairs. When I got to the bottom, the truck was parked and the driver got out. I flattened myself against the wall as he walked past the door next to me.
The moment he was gone, I silently flew out and BOOKED IT up the access road to my car and drove off. I'm confident he didn't see me.
That's the kind of thrill I'm talkin about.

I don't know what's up with the forum, I'm hoping that it's just another server lapse (especially because I haven't backed up in waaaay to long and the ftp server isn't up).

It's great that there are still people not out for profit. We could use you on the forum.

I have a theory it's been deleted, I've got www.nightops.worldfreewebs.com just incase of this (they're now using manual sign up)

I think if were going serious we need a pay server with not many "rules".

Any way if you have a server we can use RISK.NO@GMAIL.COM or Email Secant.

Cheers, Risk.

(Secant it doesn't matter as long as we've got most of the members on the db)

nanobot nanobot is offline

Default the problem with "ruleless" server you pay a peruim for. For http://www.havenco.com/products_and_services/rates.html adult hosting becouse they have less rules and are proably nanobot

Yea there are morals in night oping. sometimes people take it to far but its just annoying when they plan the whole mission for profit. i use a somewhat of a reward system if im in a building and theres like a flag on the building thats a good flag im gunna snach it but pleaase please dont make an effort to steal remember: exploration thats the key

my reward system is so cracked out i take one useless thing that look like nothing for example a

pen, a ceiling tile, or a broken harddrive

^i do the same. A sticker with the company name, a pen, etc etc. Nothing for profit, EVER.

Quote: quote:Originally posted by Some Old Drunk Guy:
^i do the same. A sticker with the company name, a pen, etc etc. Nothing for profit, EVER. What if there was $1 000 000 in cash just lying there?
Since the forum has been deleted, it's nice to see that the original totse night ops is being used again. Totse just wasn't the same without a trip to night ops.

Fucking assholes deleted the forum.

Maybe turn on a swiss server?

Just an idea, I don't know shit about laws and everything

I am new to the whole night opping thing and i have to sneak out without my parents noticing because my dad is an insomniac. this is kind of good because it adds challange.
on my street there is a post office. this post office is boarded up and deserted long ago. locked up properly and all that shit. i am good at night ops because i have good night vision and i have always been able to move silently. Heres the story that made me happy.
i was ready and prepared with my crobar, black clothes, balaclava and a bag to carry a trophy in. i set off, creeping down the stairs and suddenly i heard my dad get up. he was going to the kitchen to get a drink. what do i do?
in the end i just stood completely still and stopped breathing. thankfully for me my dad was in a drunken stupor and he walked straight past me. ha, fool. i snuck out of the front door and looked around. there was no one about. i started to creep silently down the road, feeling the reasuring weight of the crobar in my hand. getting to the post office was easy. i didnt see or hear another person. 'hmmmm' i said to myself 'i should go round the back, its a bit open here'. besides all the boarded up windows were stuck solid. i crept round the back, carefull to avoid debris and random cardboard boxes. when i reached the back of the building a black despair gripped me. the only way in was a back door that was locked. i did not know how to pick locks and as such my op had been a faliure. i had just started to walk back when i heard a sound to the right. i quickly crouched down among the boxes and watched as a person emerged from the building next door and slowly walked my way. suddenly they whipped out a torch and shined it on me. startled i let out a muffled cry and as the figure advanced i fell back in terror. i then remembered i had a torch to and i shined it on the mysterious person. to my astonishment it was another night opper who judging by his set of lock picks and a tension wrench in his hand actually knew how to pick locks. He said 'mind giving me a hand with this lock'.
Half an hour later we were concratulating each other on a perfect night op. and setting up a time to go on another op
it seems to me that i have found the perfect night op buddy cause he is clumsy and slow but i am elegant and quick. but he makes up for it with an extensive knoledge of tricks with wich, between us we can explore anywhere. Im so happy

hypothetical situation: my friend bought a switch blade, taser, and brass knuckles off Ebay where could that land you in Seattle?

Yep, they deleted the forum all right. Hopefully the backups will be able to restore the site. Risk, e-mail me at flakzilla @gmail.com (just remove the space), and we can figure out how to get it back up.
B-Phaze B-Phaze is offline Regular
Middle of nowhere. Send a message via MSN to B-Phaze Default Damn you guys, I wanna be a night op already! :/
I've always been fascinated with doing stuff without others knowing, and being one with the dark and stuff like that. Oh and yeah, I've always liked stealing, so sorry you guys who are all religious about the non-profit stuff, it's just that stealing serves as a good motive for me.
I just have nowhere to go on missions, as there's no abandoned buildings or anything... I could do a B&E in some not-left building but... I suppose I'd have to know how to pick a lock to do that.
Will google give me that ability, or do I need to buy me tools of some sort? B-Phaze

ok once you guys get your backup sorted out here are some site to plug them into http://freehostia.com/
http ://www.100 webspace.c om/freepla n.html
i will look for morelater on if need be.
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Quote: quote:Originally posted by B-Phaze:
Damn you guys, I wanna be a night op already! :/ What the fuck...?
Quote: quote:Originally posted by B-Phaze:
I could do a B&E in some not-left building but... I suppose I'd have to know how to pick a lock to do that.
Will google give me that ability, or do I need to buy me tools of some sort? Google for tools, and for information. Experience is best for understanding something. And also, you really don't seem to understand much about night ops. Read up about it.
Cmon, you say you like stealing, and then ask how to steal.
You need to learn some shit.
-GuerillaKing
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feels good to have night ops back on totse.
As darkkaiser said visiting totse wasnt the same without night ops in action.

I'm going to try and do a night op on the local school im going to make it easier by spliting it up over the nights as its my first night op and dont want to rush in. Tonight im going to just head up and do some recon look at ways to get in what security they have outside and any obsticals have a look though the windows see if I can see anything, I dont go to this school so I dont know what its like on the inside thus why im reconing first, ill also check the schools website as they may have a map of the school. After this I can concentrate on how to get in.

cool

Hey Psychlonic, maybe you could email it to some of us.

http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif I lost my dark grey set of ugg boots http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif
Psychlonic, if you want some help I've got a few "indoor" ops I could share + pictures of gear and the target building (and techniques used).
Sorry about the delay Secant I didn't read that until today http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif Emailed

Risk,
I'd be glad to include any stories you have to share, my e-mail address is pretty obvious, being my username @hotmail.
Pictures are a difficult subject. As I have few pictures that are useful and have no way to put pictures from my digital camera onto my computer, a lot of them will be photoshopped and/or obtained as is from the internet. That said, I'm not sure how many or even what kind of pictures I'll be needing yet, but I'll let you know when.

I did some surrveilance with my new binoculars earlier. Ive been watching the neighbors semi hot daughter for a while. Still no action yet.
nanobot nanobot is offline
Default good to hear about the new version but why not put it in pdf format it can hold pictures and is supported by mostly every computer out there (i do mine in pdf). nanobot

Secant, what happened to the forum? If you need a new host, Ive got a SUPERB one. That old one was always shit.
Ive set up a forum and, no exageration, I could have done it in 10 minutes. Its free btw.

lexxx does it have cpanel or someother so secant can upload a backup

Quote: quote:Originally posted by nanobot:
lexxx does it have cpanel or someother so secant can upload a backup You can do database back-ups from the form software. (Atleast in phpBB or SMF) If not you could simply back-up everything through FTP and make a archive of it.

I just completed my first B&E night op BIG EDITin a while. I think it was a sort of government building. There was a security light above the window where i was going in, so all i did was just rip off the sensor and short out the light.
Then, i just popped the window lock with my crowbar, opened the window, and went in. I only spent about an hour inside and looked around. I forgot take something as a trophyish sort of thing. Easy op.
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Quote: quote:Originally posted by nanobot:
good to hear about the new version but why not put it in pdf format it can hold pictures and is supported by mostly every computer out there (i do mine in pdf). I'm thinking about it, the only reason I like the MHTML format is that it seems to hold more information at a smaller filesize than PDF, and MHTML can be used on any computer with Internet Explorer, and I'm pretty sure Netscape and it's variants.
In any case, when I'm finished I can simply do a convert over to PDF and see how it looks.

not sure its called cpanel, but there is obviously an admin panel where you can edit and manage the site.
Dont know if you can download backup files...
Actually, Ill email secant as Ive got his address somewhere.

Quote: quote:Originally posted by lexxx666:
not sure its called cpanel, but there is obviously an admin panel where you can edit and manage the site.
Dont know if you can download backup files...
Actually, Ill email secant as Ive got his address somewhere.
EDIT: this was supposed to come out at the end of p5, thought p6 was void..

Quote: quote:Originally posted by Psychlonic:
A couple days ago I talked to an Army recruiter, and long story short, it turns out I can't get into infantry until sometime around December... so I'm pretty pissed off about that at the moment. Don't bother asking me why, suffice to say it's nothing major, but it's an annoyance none the less.
So... now that I suddenly have a surplus of time on my hands, I'm working on a project I've put off for way too long: Way of the Shadow 3.0. I can't say how long this is going to take, but it's going to be a complete revamp of the old one since I've had more experience with more equipment, and have been trying out new techniques lately. Furthermore, I'm going to rename the guide, so it won't actually be called "The Way of the Shadow" as I was never really serious about that name, and I feel it's a bit misleading as to the contents (i.e. not ninjitsu). Still deciding on that name.
What I can say though is that the methods are going to be a lot more refined and detailed in explanation. I am also considering the idea of making this in the MHTML format, adding pictures and diagrams in it, as I feel the words alone just aren't enough to get the ideas across. For example, I really want to get pictures of each camouflage in darkness to give a good idea of what works and what doesn't. Should I do this, I will also make a text-only version to submit to the TOTSE text-files.
This new version will also have more detailed stories, hopefully giving people an idea of what to expect when getting into a certain type of situation.
Finally, this is going to be absolutely packed with links to websites and guides that will help even more.
Anyways, just a heads up. Sounds good

is there anyway to make homemade flashbangs maybe with fuse not like a grenade?
nanobot nanobot is offline
Default if you use phpbb on a free site it puts a banner at the top of EVERY page and the backup is opened in a page see the porblem? nanobot

Of recent I have been having some trouble sneaking out of the house, the back door is squeaking more than usual and cant be opened without excessive noise. Ive considered lubricating the hinges but WD40 leaves a obvious smell. Does anyone know of any lubricants which dont have a odour?

Lex how are the rules on that site?

Quote: quote:Originally posted by bear_snatch:
is there anyway to make homemade flashbangs maybe with fuse not like a grenade? flash bangs arent really used in night ops, due to the fact that it alerts security to your presence. if it is unavoidable however, here is a step by step guide:

1. get some paper casing. could be an m80 casing, used estes rocket tube, whatever, as long as its paper.
2. drill a fuse hole in the middle of the tube, straight through one side of the tube. make sure that your fuse can fit through. insert fuse (3 inches of visco saftey fuse), and place a small bead of white glue around the fuse to hold in the comp.
3. mix a 50:50 mixture Potassium Nitrate, (KNO3) and Magnesium (Mg).
4. plug one side of your paper tube with epoxy, balled up paper with glue on top, etc. stay away from hard plugs, because of the explosion, they will turn into high velocity missles.
5. fill tube 3/4's of the way with the 50:50 KNO3/Mg mix.
6. plug other end of tube.
7. test to see if it is bright enough... if not, reduce the level of KNO3 and increase the Mg accordingly.
DISCLAIMER-
this was written purely for the entertainment of my own imagination, nothing else. if you decide to make this, its your own head.
EDIT-
derrodude-
why not try mineral oil?
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Rules don't matter so much right now, as long as they won't remove us right away. This is going to be somewhat of a temporary arrangement until I can get a more permanent one. Lexxx and Risk, I have e-mailed you. We'll sort it out, don't worry. Like hell if I'm going to let the forum die!
BTW- Psychlonic, excellent. I can't wait to see it.

While the forum is down, night ops posters can use a corner of my forum, which is still under construction and for something unrelated to night ops, as a sort of emergency bulletin board.
Go right to the end, under miscellaneous, Ive started a topic called night ops. You dont have to be a member but, for the reasons mentioned above, be discreet.
The address is: http://cybertrade.myfreeforum.org/
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Why don't we just use this site?
Anyway, I'll be back on topic now.
Recently *I had a dream* (following the LT trend http://www.totse.com/bbs/cool.gif ) where I entered a factory I'll post the whole op later, when I get sometime.
I've tried to make a forum[nightops.wfw.com] however I seem to be running into "Please ensure both the install/ and contrib/ directories are deleted" I'll figure it out tomorrow as I'm going on an op in around an hour, gotta gear up and go through the plans.
Cheers.

Theres only one thread here. I, members or even guests can add multiple threads. Anyway, dont use it if you dont want to.
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I explored a five story construction site on campus today. I had to follow the fence around it for a while until I found a gap. Once inside, I had to move across a good thirty meters of rebar and limestone slabs to get to the side of the building. I hoisted myself through a window and droped

inside.

I headed upstairs and went all the way to the roof. After hanging out down, dodged some late night college students, and left. All in all, a

Psyclonic, just make sure you cover the different methods used by night oppers.

Some Opers, like me, use brute force for entry, while others, rely on stealth and covering their tracks.

Both are alright, make sure you cover that.

Smokeyb Smokeyb is offline Regular

Default yes its back up again...

back to night oping i like to be a steathy silent type but if i have to IF I HAVE TO i will use brute force to gain entry i love my cats claw

"total imagination"
[This message has been edited by Smokeyb (edited 09-28-2005).] Smokeyb

Risk you set it up on the old server? The same one who closed us down?

Secant are you there dude? Whats going on? Ive emailed you...

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Does anybody here happen to have a copy Night Ops I somewhere by infrared, from the start?

Well what happend to the new site? I found a tunnle that gose for about a mile. When they are done with it, it will conecked to the one downtown and a few strip malls. Oped a few construction sites found nothing. got on top of a strip mall.
The
Torch
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any one know how to get trought flexable steel conduit like this http://www.polsteins.com/prod0087454.html no befor all the bolt cutters, thermite, explosives come out of the woodwork. I need the cable inside intacked and the hole needs to be large enought i could pull cord out and splict it and just mess with it in gernal.
any ideas?

To bad about the site, we really need somewhere that you pay for, then we can really say

whatever we want.
SWIM might go out on an op later, but the building he wants is only like a block away from the police station. It is tucked back in an alcove hidden by other buildings, so entry will be possible without much trouble. I did recon on it earlier in the week in the daylight. No security, and you can park far away and sneak along the railroad tracks. It will be an awesome place to explore.
As for the cable, the best way to cut it would be with a hacksaw or small metal saw or some kind. You could also use bolt or wire cutters if you were careful. Either way, you have to be careful not too cut too deep. You could also pull it apart, or pry the pieces apart with a small screwdriver. If silence is key then use the last method of prying it apart.

Torch Ive just read ur thread again, getting on top of a strip mall sounds interesting. What u going to do about that? Do u think they keep the money there overnight?!..(Joke for any1 else reading)
Psychlonic where can I get a copy of ur guide? Can you let me know either here or post or link to it on my forum. Thanx.
Edit: My forums at http://cybertrade.myfreeforum.org/
Go to the end under 'miscellaneous'
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I'm still here. All you guys have to do is tough it out on this thread until saturday (or friday night). I'll have (comparatively) oodles of time then to get a new host and restore the forum from my backups. I'm sorry for my poor response to this, but it really couldn't have come at a worse time. Just stay tuned, I'll let you know what's going on.
I appreciate all your efforts to set up an interim forum, but you don't need to worry about it (unless you positively cannot live without one). This is how I'm going to fix it, so we should stop sabotaging the thread and make some helpful posts! Cheers!
Dark Kaiser, I believe this is what you're looking for:

http://www.totse.com/bbs/Archives/Ar...-7-004673.html

That original thread is really interesting. Whatever happened to that infrared guy? He knew his shit.

Lexx I think that guy went to jail. The stip mall thing. No they more than likly dont keep money thare over night, but they still have items in thare. You could walk out of thare with hunders of dollors of stuff.
Torch
Out
lexxx666 lexxx666 is offline
london. england Default He went to jail for night opping? Shit.Or was it for something else, did you know him?
You read the post from the guy (not infrared)who said he shot three people?! That one had to be bullshit!
lexxx666

A long time ago some one posted and ask what happend to infrared and some one seid he went to jail for night oping. You never know whats bullshit or not.
At my work I got alot of Anit-CutGloves and Slip-on Anti-slip shoes. If anyone wants any I can get

them in any sizes. For people here my friends. I will sell them for $25 for a pair + shipping. Give me a mail at charles30000@yahoo.com
Torch
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He moved to a different state I think.

I just finished reading the original "nighttime ops" thread from the archive, and figured I'd add a side-discussion for anyone not busy posting ops.
Does anyone here remember "SerpentMage"? After reading the thread, I realized I forgot how talented he seemed. Does anyone know if he still posts here or elsewhere?
Remember Ale? Remember Blacksheep? Heh, couldn't resist. For those who don't know, it's for the best. The sorriest of their posts were deleted from the thread, so you won't find them anywhere.
It's interesting to see how far everyone that still ops has come. I especially found Distromnia's school op funny. Then again, mine weren't much better, I sounded almost like a fucking kewl.

Someone posted this on my forum, I dont know if its THE new forum or what or even if it's secant's work - there's no back-up files on it yet.
They asked someone to post it here, its: http://nightops.net/
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Quote: quote:Originally posted by Risk:
He moved to a different state I think. If he just moved to a new state he would not just stop posting.
Psychlonic I think that the opers back then had more skill than they do now. But its hard to tell the truth from all the bull shit.
Lexxx its not THE new fourm. Its A New fourm. The guy Haze ownes the it. SO this time we will not get shut down. I think that we should have the back-up files sent over thare. Nano and Secant.what do you guys think about this?

Quote: quote:Originally posted by lexxx666:
Someone posted this on my forum, I dont know if its THE new forum or what or even if it's secant's work - there's no back-up files on it yet.
They asked someone to post it here, its: http://nightops.net/
It's somebody else's. Forum hopefully will be back up tonight.

Torch,
Regardless of how good everyone was then, one thing is immediately obvious - posts were a lot more fun to read. I know what the problem is, there's too much talk of other forums and not enough ops being posted.
That said, I'm shutting up until I'm finished with my guide or do a traditional op and feel like posting it.

Infrared didn't get sent to jail, he moved to California for a while and then back to Albuquerque. He just got bored with totse, but sometimes he posts random stuff. I remember he posted a few months ago in half baked.
Speaking of New Mexico, I might go camping up there soon. I might find somewhere to sneak around in the mountains.
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Hey, just wandered in here by fluke but i read the original nigh tops thread and all of this one. Im only 14 but am thinking about doing some stuff.. I wear all black all the time. Usualy just a black shirt and black jeans? is that ok? Also i live in a place thats mostly just houses...I'll start by sneaking through yards trying to be unnoticed then move to churches,schools,construction sites, and anything i can find. Can you give me a couple tips?
Staples Staples is offline Regular
Yes Send a message via ICQ to Staples Default (fictional story, hypothetical, etc)
I remember the original night ops thread http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif first time I've posted in one of these since I got caught last december. That really put me down. Since then I've enhanced my skills a lot. the other night I went out around 8 PM, since it's dark and I can come up with excuses to leave the house.
I went to an old lawyers office and picked my first lock http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif.
It's a new start. slow, but hopefully yielding. The place I want to pick is a cell phone tower site. the storage buildings have those sideways locks on them that are on handles shaped like horizontal bars. is there any different method to open these? which way to you apply tension generally? Staples

mr watson went out on a mini op the other night. Couple questions for you experts out there, help would be greatly appreciated. If watson goes out before 1 or 2 am or like between 9pm and 11 pm is the risk going out at that hour of being seen by yuppie scum out and about walking there gay ass dogs? if watson is going down the street and sees a car parked in street and opens it and gets inside and quickly shuts door and rummages through stuff inside how likely will anyone see watson doing this? if watson is in progress rummaging through this car using no lights even, and someone like 7 houses away sees this in action will they bother calling the po po or yelling at watson? or will they just ignore it and go back about their own business because its not their car being broken into? if mr watson sees a car with keys in it, in a parking lot in daytime like around noon and jumps in and takes off with that hot bitch and anyone who is not a cop and not owner of that car will they report it or not since its not their car?

Quote: quote:Originally posted by derrodude:
Of recent I have been having some trouble sneaking out of the house, the back door is squeaking more than usual and cant be opened without excessive noise. Ive considered lubricating the hinges but WD40 leaves a obvious smell. Does anyone know of any lubricants which dont have a odour? dish soap?

Me and a few friends are planning to pull a heist ( <- coolest word ever http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif ) the place we are planning to hit up is this barn near a saw mill, the people at the saw mill might see us and stuff, but what were are gonna do is my friend is gonna observe that barn and see who goes in and who goes out on sundays around 10 Pm or later. there are padlocks on the doors and i am learning how to lock pick as we speak, we have tools, clothes needed, walkie talkkies (6), and packpacks ( with flashlights, and other tools needed)
the goal is that barn has a shit load of motherfucking chemicals in the attic and since its near a

sawmill it will have some neat tools and equipment, that we can take
last summer we dug a huuuge hole, and we are making an underground bunker, and thats where we will stash everything we steal
now what i need is for Oping experts to give me tips and pointers which i can use, because this is our first time pulling a "heist" so any helpful responses will be greatly appriciated.
thank you http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif

Scout out the area, and note down when shit happens, like when they come outside, and if i was u i would do it later
p.s. talk hypotheticaly