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I have attempted to prune replies on earlier pages in attempt to correct the thread, and it's throwing all sorts of DB errors at me and it can't be repaired.

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So continue on with your Night Ops posts here.

I spent a lot of today trying to figure out how I could put my bicycle to good use during ops. It would definitely shorten up total operation time in a lot of cases, which is good considering I've been out from dusk to dawn before.

The first thing I need to do was list the reasons it wasn't suitable for night ops.

1. Too many shiny parts. I could respray the entire thing in flat black, but this bike wasn't exactly cheap and I'd like to keep it in its current scheme.

2. Too fast for my field of vision. When I'm out of town on a new moon, I can barely see out infront of me. If I were going along fast enough, I would be riding blind basically.

3. Low mobility. I couldn't exactly take this thing into yards and such. Throwing it over fences would also prove to be troublesome.

Those are the cons, now here are the pros I came up with:

1. Speed. Gets me from point A to point B fast provided there aren't too many obstacles in my way. It's a very well built mountain bike, so rough terrain is no problem.

2. Quiet, makes no noise in most cases, except when changing gears.

3. Can carry gear. With some work, I could make this thing haul loads for me.

Looking at the pros and cons, here's what I've determined to be the best uses of bicycles during night ops:

1. Escape vehicle. Should I be seen and chased, I can escape to my bike and outrun any person or animal. If a police car is after me, I can slip into a field where he cannot follow.

2. Insertion to operations area border. Since I live just outside of town, I can use the bicycle to move through the fields at a good speed. What took great amounts of time before would take mere minutes.

3. Cargo vehicle. By attaching a backpack, I can load up the things I *might* need. I can also fit other goodies to the frame such as my machete, a flashlight w/red cover on the handlebars for lights, and water/food for longer ops.

Food and water is especially important to me because I need to go long distances to get any

good action, and I often get hungry and thirsty. With a mobile supply, I won't have to go to public water sources or salvage what plant food I can from nature. I could always starve or stay thirsty, but it takes its toll.

In short, the bicycle is valuable when treated like a mobile base. It can carry everything you need for you, so you don't have to carry so much weight around during longer ops. It also allows you to extend your theatre of operations without noisy engines and bright headlights.

If you decide to dedicate a bicycle to operations however, it should be used for the SOLE purpose of operations. Go with a mountain bike, for your advantage should be the ability to take trails and fields where vehicles cannot follow yet you can outrun the people on foot - who can! Also, it should never be stored near your property. Finally, paint the thing flat black. If nobody is supposed to see it, who cares how plain it looks?

That's all I can think of for now. I'll post some unique ideas on how you could actually use this inside the operations area later sometime.

Im new to Night Ops and ive been reading through the files and posts. Im not a very "fit " person

and Jumping fenses are quite difficult for me. I Would liekto hypothetically penetrate a school and

mess around but its damn near impossible for me to things quickly enought without being noticed

because i have a few dilenmas.

1. The best way for me to jump the fence is, well through the front Gate. And the school is in front of a major road which always has cars going through it.

2. Im not that small and im very noticable in the light.

3. Im poor, Pasically i have no way of creating or buying equipment. I only have a few essentials. but not much. Also, i have no method of being transported to a store of any sort. (the closest shop to my house is about 6 miles away) and since my parents are very cheap they will never, under any circumstance take me anywhere. I Also have no bike so i can bike anywhere.

Any Tips would be quite helpful. Through the posts i havent found a way to make "poor mans" ops equipment so i thought i would post now. I Will admit that i did not read VERy throroughly through the posts but i did look at every page for every section of night ops.

Please Tips would be Helpful.

EDIT: Added soem things.

[This message has been edited by Noriyuke (edited 07-28-2004).]

Quote: quote:Originally posted by Noriyuke:

Im new to Night Ops and ive been reading through the files and posts. Im not a very "fit " person and Jumping fenses are quite difficult for me. I Would liekto hypothetically penetrate a school and mess around but its damn near impossible for me to things quickly enought without being noticed because i have a few dilenmas.

1. The best way for me to jump the fence is, well through the front Gate. And the school is in front of a major road which always has cars going through it.

2. Im not that small and im very noticable in the light.

3. Im poor, Pasically i have no way of creating or buying equipment. I only have a few essentials. but not much. Also, i have no method of being transported to a store of any sort. (the closest shop to my house is about 6 miles away) and since my parents are very cheap they will never, under any circumstance take me anywhere. I Also have no bike so i can bike anywhere.
Any Tips would be quite helpful. Through the posts i havent found a way to make "poor mans" ops equipment so i thought i would post now. I Will admit that i did not read VERy throroughly through the posts but i did look at every page for every section of night ops.
Please Tips would be Helpful.
EDIT: Added soem things.
[This message has been edited by Noriyuke (edited 07-28-2004).] Don't worry about the second issue. I'm now 6'5" and about 200 pounds, but I can still sneak around just fine. The important thing is keeping quiet as hearing is more dominant than sight in the dark. Still, don't overlook staying hidden.
About 3, do you live outside of town? If so, I feel for you man. I have to travel so damn much just to get an op...
As for cheap equipment, the single most important piece of equipment is a flashlight. Even then you might not use it the majority of the time. I only use mine when I'm in a pitch black building or need to see an object in high detail.
For climbing high objects, you can cut down some tree limbs and make your own disposable ladder. Prybars can be replaced by any strong piece of steel bar found anywhere. If you need to take out lights and/or sensors, you can make a basic slingshot using rubber tubing. Just create a frame from wood and attach the tubing by either lashing or slipping over the top of the wood a great deal. To hold objects in it, you can cut slits at both ends of a piece of leather/cloth as to slide it onto the rubber tubing.
Multitools are pretty important if you plan on doing anything serious. Try to get one ASAP. In the meantime you'll have to settle with carrying around a set of tools such as screwdrivers, pliers, etc.
You probably get the idea by now. If there's any specific item you need, let me know and I'll try to think of either how to build your own or a suitable substitution.

the whole multi tool thing doesnt appeal to me.mainly because they cna break and may take too

long if they get stuck.I have a binder like used in school,it zips all the way around. inside i have a

pry bar,audio signals,flares,pencil torches,wire cutters,wire strippers,and all my screw drivers,and

even distraction lights.Since it zips closed and has pockets,everything fits and doesnt move

around.I sewed straps onto the outside so now i can wear it as a back pack or around the front as

a chest gaurd.itsvery useful and i can now carry more equipment with greater ease.

Psycholonic, it sounds like you go on some pretty hardcore long-range missions. I live in the city, so being in an urban environment I can just drive my car close to where my target zone is and park on any side-street. But if I lived out in the country I would definately invest in a bike.

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quote:Originally posted by invictus:

I'm about 6'" and about 260 pounds, but I sneak around just fine. The important thing you need to remember is keeping quiet as hearing is more paramount than vision in the dark. Still, stay hidden.
As far as gear is concerned, the single most important piece of equipment is a flashlight, preferably in a muted color such as red or blue light. Even then you might not use it the majority of the time. I use mine when I'm in a dark building or if the need to see an object arises.
Lockpicks and the like are pretty important if you plan on doing high-level missions, such as businesses and houses on upper-midle class areas. Get one as soon as possible, the sooner the better. For now, you might have to settle with carrying tools such as screwdrivers, pliers, bolt cutters etc. Hope this helps.

Quote: quote:Originally posted by heisler:
Can you elaborate on this? It's simple, really. The first things to get are your two main poles to which you attach the wooden rungs two. It is these need to be strong enough to support your weight. Depending on how tall you need it, the stronger the material. If it's only going to be around 6' tall, thick willow will even do. Then you need to find your limbs for use as rungs. They shouldn't be any longer than 14". As long as it can support your weight, you are good. The intervals at which you place the rungs depends on your stride, really. Mentally picture where you want your rungs placed.
When it comes time to attach them, there are several options. The first and easiest is if you got lucky and your main 2 poles had branches coming off of them all over, in which case you can just set your rungs in the slots and tie them down.
More likely, you'll be either carving lincoln notches or butterfly notches. Lincoln notches are what you see on lincoln logs, if you played with those as a kid. Easy to do, but not as reliable as the butterfly.
Butterfly notches are made by carving an hourglass into the main pole, then carving an hourglass on its side onto the rung so that the hourglass shapes interlock with each other. I guess it takes practice and a woodsmans touch to make those...
There are also other wooden ladders you can make, but I'm really not in the mood to describe them all. Try looking in Google.
If you want something easier and more portable, just make a rope ladder with hooks and loops on one end. Instead of throwing the ladder and hoping it catches, you can use a branch to secure the loops or hook on something. It's quicker and quieter than throwing.
*sigh*
Damn am I typing a lot today or what?
HARDMAN, the only real hardcore part is the rural travelling which takes more time than it does effort.
invictus, a lockpicking set cannot cut rope, cut wire, file down objects, unscrew a large variety of screws, unsecure bolts, punch holes, saw notches into wood, etc etc. Not to say a lockpicking set isn't useful, but I've used my leatherman far more often.

Anyhow, I'm about to set out and test some of my concepts for my bicycle. When and if I get back I'll post some results as well as the ideas I promised (because those ideas are going to be made from these tests) http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif

A bike is a good sure-fire way to increase your operational range. Currently me and my crew

have a range of about 1.5 to 2 miles on foot. Twice that on bike.

c2

Quote: quote:Originally posted by Psychlonic:

I spent a lot of today trying to figure out how I could put my bicycle to good use during ops. It would definitely shorten up total operation time in a lot of cases, which is good considering I've been out from dusk to dawn before.

The first thing I need to do was list the reasons it wasn't suitable for night ops.

1. Too many shiny parts. I could respray the entire thing in flat black, but this bike wasn't exactly cheap and I'd like to keep it in its current scheme.

2. Too fast for my field of vision. When I'm out of town on a new moon, I can barely see out infront of me. If I were going along fast enough, I would be riding blind basically.

3. Low mobility. I couldn't exactly take this thing into yards and such. Throwing it over fences would also prove to be troublesome.

Those are the cons, now here are the pros I came up with:

1. Speed. Gets me from point A to point B fast provided there aren't too many obstacles in my way. It's a very well built mountain bike, so rough terrain is no problem.

2. Quiet, makes no noise in most cases, except when changing gears.

3. Can carry gear. With some work, I could make this thing haul loads for me.

Looking at the pros and cons, here's what I've determined to be the best uses of bicycles during night ops:

1. Escape vehicle. Should I be seen and chased, I can escape to my bike and outrun any person or animal. If a police car is after me, I can slip into a field where he cannot follow.

2. Insertion to operations area border. Since I live just outside of town, I can use the bicycle to move through the fields at a good speed. What took great amounts of time before would take mere minutes.

3. Cargo vehicle. By attaching a backpack, I can load up the things I *might* need. I can also fit other goodies to the frame such as my machete, a flashlight w/red cover on the handlebars for lights, and water/food for longer ops.

Food and water is especially important to me because I need to go long distances to get any good action, and I often get hungry and thirsty. With a mobile supply, I won't have to go to public water sources or salvage what plant food I can from nature. I could always starve or stay thirsty, but it takes its toll.

In short, the bicycle is valuable when treated like a mobile base. It can carry everything you need for you, so you don't have to carry so much weight around during longer ops. It also allows you to extend your theatre of operations without noisy engines and bright headlights.

If you decide to dedicate a bicycle to operations however, it should be used for the SOLE purpose of operations. Go with a mountain bike, for your advantage should be the ability to take trails and fields where vehicles cannot follow yet you can outrun the people on foot - who can! Also, it should never be stored near your property. Finally, paint the thing flat black. If nobody is supposed to see it, who cares how plain it looks?

That's all I can think of for now. I'll post some unique ideas on how you could actually use this inside the operations area later sometime. That is true, a bike is a good method of transportation. But, I live on a gravel road, and a bike would be so loud coming up. I think I would just carry it down, or go through a neighbor's yard.

I have been out and realized the sun was coming up, and had to hide from cars. I didn't get back until 4:55am, 1/2 hour before my dad wakes up.

I would save at least 20 minutes by riding a bike, but I have to go by road, and there are a few driveways, but if a car comes it is hard to jump and hide.

P.S. c2 I have gathered that you live in washington state, as do I. AIM me at gullouspondwater.

[This message has been edited by cheeseduck (edited 07-28-2004).]

I live in the country which is all right normally but useless for night ops. I can't use my bike,

because there is no way to sneak out of my room and even if I did, I have a 300 yard long gravel

lane and then I have to cross a metal cattle grid which rattles and could wake my parents, who

trust me as far as they can throw me. Which is fuck all. And then, if I managed to get out and wet

by foot, there is the question of what to do? Because I live 8 miles from the nearest town and 3

miles from the nearest village and unless you like doing recon on sleeping cows and abandoned

barns full of cow dung you're sort of stuck. There is only a old mushroom farm (been there) and a

roadside cafe.

Quote:

quote:Originally posted by Psychlonic:

I spent a lot of today trying to figure out how I could put my bicycle to good use during ops. It would definitely shorten up total operation time in a lot of cases, which is good considering I've been out from dusk to dawn before.

The first thing I need to do was list the reasons it wasn't suitable for night ops.

1. Too many shiny parts. I could respray the entire thing in flat black, but this bike wasn't exactly cheap and I'd like to keep it in its current scheme.

2. Too fast for my field of vision. When I'm out of town on a new moon, I can barely see out infront of me. If I were going along fast enough, I would be riding blind basically.

3. Low mobility. I couldn't exactly take this thing into yards and such. Throwing it over fences would also prove to be troublesome.

Those are the cons, now here are the pros I came up with:

1. Speed. Gets me from point A to point B fast provided there aren't too many obstacles in my way. It's a very well built mountain bike, so rough terrain is no problem.
2. Quiet, makes no noise in most cases, except when changing gears.
3. Can carry gear. With some work, I could make this thing haul loads for me.
Looking at the pros and cons, here's what I've determined to be the best uses of bicycles during night ops:
1. Escape vehicle. Should I be seen and chased, I can escape to my bike and outrun any person or animal. If a police car is after me, I can slip into a field where he cannot follow.
2. Insertion to operations area border. Since I live just outside of town, I can use the bicycle to move through the fields at a good speed. What took great amounts of time before would take mere minutes.
3. Cargo vehicle. By attaching a backpack, I can load up the things I *might* need. I can also fit other goodies to the frame such as my machete, a flashlight w/red cover on the handlebars for lights, and water/food for longer ops.
Food and water is especially important to me because I need to go long distances to get any good action, and I often get hungry and thirsty. With a mobile supply, I won't have to go to public water sources or salvage what plant food I can from nature. I could always starve or stay thirsty, but it takes its toll.
In short, the bicycle is valuable when treated like a mobile base. It can carry everything you need for you, so you don't have to carry so much weight around during longer ops. It also allows you to extend your theatre of operations without noisy engines and bright headlights.
If you decide to dedicate a bicycle to operations however, it should be used for the SOLE purpose of operations. Go with a mountain bike, for your advantage should be the ability to take trails and fields where vehicles cannot follow yet you can outrun the people on foot - who can! Also, it should never be stored near your property. Finally, paint the thing flat black. If nobody is supposed to see it, who cares how plain it looks?
That's all I can think of for now. I'll post some unique ideas on how you could actually use this inside the operations area later sometime. I have always used my bike to go places on night ops, I just leave mine in my uncles garden, because he always keeps his back gate open. He also lives on this estate which is perfect for night-ops. Its well worth the effort as well, because you now have an improved method of escaping, and it is easy to lose people following you by cycling off road and down back roads, and through fields/waste land.
I totally recommend anyone going on their bicycle on a night-op. Only problem, which has been stated above, is the fact that you can't see much in front of you. You could try going slower, but if possible go out when there is a moon.
And if there is no moon don't cylce on the road, cycle on footpaths. What type of loser would be out walking along a footpath at 3am. THen again, there can be drunks etc. Surely hitting those can only be an advantage. Lol.
Well feel free to flame, comment on this post, your ideas can only help. Rather than hinder. Duh. I'm gonna shut the fuck up now.

Psychlonic 2004-07-28 19:00 I would have posted this last night (or rather, way early in the morning) but I opted to fall asleep in my room instead.
Anyhow I took my bike for a proof of concept run. I didn't actually go to any populated areas at first, but rather just stuck to the ranch roads in my area.
My bike had a flashlight on the handlebars, machete attached vertically to the center of the frame, and a small pack loaded with a few tools and a packet of Top Ramen attached to the seat bar.
After I got out of decent view of any houses I kicked on my flashlight - a cheap 2AA light with red suran wrap used to filter the light (don't laugh, it worked). To light allowed me to see enough infront of me to feel confortable going at high speeds, yet I felt confident I wasn't a beacon out in the middle of the field.
When I went into the middle of the field, I left it in 1st gear the whole time and had no problems navigating some of the more rockier areas. Occassionally I had to cross ditches on foot but it was no big deal.
So I figured that much would be true, so I decided to see how troublesome it would be to cross multiple fences. Since the bike was light, it was easy enough to just lift it up and set it down on the other side of a barbed wire fence. At a relaxed pace, it took 8-10 seconds to bypass a fence, making no noise.
Overall I was pleased. I had taken a few of these roads before and it had taken me far longer on foot. I had easy access to all of the ranches in the area and was able to enter the city limits quite a ways before reaching any well lit areas.
The pouch I used could also be used by any of you who like to take stuff on your ops, I really don't care if you do or don't, but it work work well for that too. On my next venture into town I'm definitely using my bike though. I feel almost stupid for not using it before...

A while back I ran into this very useful website that can be used to navigate escape routes,roads you are going to use,hide aways,danger areas and alot more. Simply type in the address and youwill have a satalite image you the target and surrounding area. This has always been vert usefull to me. I even found hiding places that I never even knew about in my neighbor hood.
Heres the link.... http://www.terraserver-usa.com/address.aspx

Post back and tell me what you think...

[This message has been edited by Dopenhagen (edited 07-28-2004).]

Quote:

quote:Originally posted by Psychlonic:

My bike had a flashlight on the handlebars How did you fix the flashlight to the handlebars? Thats a good idea but I don't have a bike light or anything, I just have a maglight. Just wondering what the best way to attach it to the handlebars is.

Dopenhagen Duck Tape!!

2004-07-28 23:29

Quote:

quote:Originally posted by Dopenhagen:

http://www.terraserver-usa.com/address.aspx My god...Thats all I can muster... VERY good site, and I thank you very much for that sir.

Edit: I can tell ya buddy, this is going to be a very useful tool in future planning.

c2

[This message has been edited by c2 (edited 07-28-2004).]

Yeah, but it still can't match personally scouting out the area. My city's website has some aerial photographs taken during a survey of the city. Unfortunately they're like 2 or 3 years old, so a little out of date.

I was wondering, have any of you ever used pyrotechnics successfuly in the field for a

distraction/attention purpose? I'm thinking of bringing some (some whistling screamers, and large

salutes, M80's and M100's) on my next op in which all I can say is that is very soon. Thanks for

the help if you bring any. A simple yes or no will work, I haven't really had the need to use such

devices, but in the more recent ops, evasion has become a serious important part, rather than

staying hidden.

c2

[This message has been edited by c2 (edited 07-29-2004).]

also im a newb to night ops but very interested in them ive done about 3 before - sneaking into

old schools and stuff but i really want to start ive got all the tools i just need some expert advice,

tips and ideas for newb night ops...

PLEASE DONT FLAME ME

Quote: quote:Originally posted by severance:

also im a newb to night ops but very interested in them ive done about 3 before - sneaking into old schools and stuff but i really want to start ive got all the tools i just need some expert advice, tips and ideas for newb night ops...

PLEASE DONT FLAME ME I think your asking what should you do next... Basically go on 1 scouting night ops, see if theres anything cool around to steal/vandalize(dont make it dumb and useless or too harsh of course )/Just fuck around with

Then once youve scouted you can get to work on those things or maybe pair up with a friend and

fuck around.

Quote:

quote:Originally posted by severance:

also im a newb to night ops but very interested in them ive done about 3 before - sneaking into old schools and stuff but i really want to start ive got all the tools i just need some expert advice, tips and ideas for newb night ops...

PLEASE DONT FLAME ME How big is the town/city where you live? You should go all over the city looking for cool places during the day, then go there during the night. Start near your house, and gradually go farther and farther.

I'm in the process of writing a guide on how to start night ops, so look for that soon. http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif

Speaking of which, anyone here got any contributions to make? Here is all I've got so far:

Quote: quote:BASE EQUIPMENT

-A good, sturdy backback is a must. This would be for carrying stolen goods, more bulky equipment, or tools you are less likely to use.

-A waist pack/fanny pack. This would be for keeping eqipment that your more likely to use, such as a flashlight, lockpicks, marbles, or whatever.

-A good sneaking outfit. More on this later.

Ok, got your base equipment together? Good. Now, you need to compile a toolkit.

TOOLKIT

-A brain. I mean this seriously; if your going to be sneaking around, you MUST be in possession of your wits. Don't drink half a bottle of whisky before going out, for Jebus' sake! You'll probably get an adreniline rush anyway, not to mention the other chemicals your body will produce. Don't even smoke weed. Trust me, being sober will help you heaps.

-A watch. ALWAYS set a time limit, and always be aware of the time. Your watch should be able to take a good knocking around, and have a stopwatch mode.

-A flashlight. You should have a red lense on it. Red light doesn't break your natural night vision as much, and its easier to recover your natural NV from red light than white light. You should use this sparingly; remeber that other people can see your light as well. The flashlight should be small, but not tiny. It should fit well in your hand. If you can get a pair of NV goggles, the flashlight much less important. Nevertheless, you should bring a always flashlight.

-Lockpick kit. This will include a tension wrench, and one or several picks. Look to the Reference section at the bottom of this text for learning to make and use lockpicks.

-A multi-tool, with wire cutter/strippers, a large knife, a small knife, a large, medium, and small flat screwdriver, phillips screwdriver, a file, a ruler, a can opener, and a bottle opener.

-Duck tape. This is one of the most versitile tools you can get. Used to aid in breaking windows, setting traps, ect.
-Bolt cutters. The size is up to you; go with what you like. For cutting locks, chains, fences, ect.
-A mini-medkit. This should have some polysporin, and bandages. Different sizes of bandages, too. If you get any cuts off anything, treat them IMMEDIATLY. Put some polysporin on the cut, rub it in, and but a bandage on it. You don't know what kind of shit could be on whatever you cut yourself on, and it runs the risk of being infected if left un-treated and/or uncovered. Of course, I may just be really, really fucking paranoid about that kind of shit.
-Marbles. A good sized sack of them. These can be thrown to cause a distraction, or if your on concrete, you can cover the ground with them to slow up your persuit. You shouldn't need to, though.
-Waterproof matches, and a lighter. A zippo lighter is good. You should have both matches and a lighter, and the matches should ALWAYS be waterproof. And strike-anywhere, preferably.
-Wire. Picture hanging wire. Can be used with duck tape, or for things that duck tape isn't suitible for.
-Flour. It should be in its own little pouch/container. This is for if you encounter a hostile, and they are right in front of you, you can throw flour in their eyes and book it. This was a tecnique used by ninjas, so why not make use of it?
-As an addition or replacement for flour, you could take a small watergun, paint it flat black, and fill it with any kind of citrus juice. Use in the same manner as flour; get them in the eyes with it and RUN.
-Rations. Y'know, food. Candy bars work. Make it something you like. But better would be one of those power bars. The best are military C-rations. But, how easy are THOSE to find?
-A good, tasty drink. I like SoBe energy drinks. Maybe they don't have them in your area. Or you could just bring a bottle of water. Whatever works for you. Oh, and do note that rations and drinks are only important if your going to take very long. If your only gonna be outside for a hour, they are less important.
YOUR SNEAKING SUIT
This is one of the most important parts: your outfit. The less skin showing, the better. You should have:
-A mask of some sort.
-A longsleve shirt. Or you can make arm covers(see below).
-Pants.
-Shoes.
-Gloves.
The color

Dark blues and dark greys are excelent choices. The material should be light, but thin. It should make no noise when if rubs against itself.

Arm covers

These are basically socks, put on your arms. To make them, take a long, stretchy pair of socks, and a knife. Put a sock on your arm, so that your fingers are where your toes would be. Cut holes for your fingers and thumb; repeat with the other sock, on the other arm. I've taken an example picture: [url of emaple1] If you wear these, you should also still wear gloves under them.

Shoes

This is something of a debatable subject. You can go one of two ways: Wearing shoes/boots, or wearing five or six layers of socks. The socks are quieter, but the shoes/boots are more sturdy. If you want the socks to be more stiff, you can put a sole from a shoe under your foot, then put the socks over it.

Pants

Now, your pants should be baggy, but not too baggy. If the material make a noise when it rubs against itself, then its no good. Pants with alot of pockets are your freind, as you have more space to hold stuff, thus lessening the amount of stuff you need to hold in your backback.

Gloves

Ok, this is easy. You can use any pair of gloves that fit you. I prefer those stretchy kids winter gloves that don't do dick if they get wet. You can get like, two pairs for a buck at any dollar store. You want to cut holes int he very tips of the fingers, to that the tips of your fingers stick out. This is incase you need to feel the texture of something.

THANKS TO:

outsmartyouwithignorance - Suggested flour instead of sand. Its kind of long, sorry.

I made ast earlier that i doubt any read.but does anyone else use something besides a back pack

to carry equipment?because i use a zip binder,its flat,it carries alot and is versitile,mine holds

equipment and doubles as a chest/back guard.Also using this allows you to carry more

equipment in less space,so you're not limited to a multi-tool.

Also about the tool/equipment list I'd have to add permanent markers and allen wrenches,ya never know when you'll need them.
~pink panther~

I posted this in Night Ops II
Mandatory Equipment-
-Flashlight, preferably with a red lense so your eyes will adjust better.
-Dark clothing, BDU's, whatever. It should match the environment you're operating in, so if you're

going downtown woodland camo probably wouldn't be the best choice. Also, it's better if your pants and your shirt match, because if there is too much contrast between them it could make you a little more noticable.
-A good pair of shoes. They can be boots if you want to climb well and need good ankle support, or shoes if you want speed and stealth. I find the most important thing is that they be a good dark color, though. Some people say you should wear multiple layers of socks instead of shoes for ultimate speed and stealth, but that's just not my bag.
-A knife
-Gloves
Optional Equipment-
-Headcover. A hat is so important I almost put it on the mandatory list. Hell, it is mandatory if you have blond hair like me. Even better would be a balaclava or ski mask.
-Binoculars. Clarity is more important than magnification at night.
-A night vision scope or goggles could be very useful. They are expensive though, and take note if you live in an urban area, some of the cheaper and lower generation scopes can be damaged by bright lights.
-Police scanners, which are, once again, on the expensive side. Scanners are simply radios that allow you to listen to police radio transmissions. If you buy a more expensive scanner, it will probably already have frequencies for major cities programmed into it. If you live in a smaller city, you'll have to get the frequencies yourself. Each police department has two very important frequencies when it comes to nighttime ops, a dispatch frequency(this is the 911 operators and shit who tell the cops where to go), and a car-to-car frequency.
Planning Your Mission-
You'll probably want to scout out your target area the day before your operation. It needs to be during daytime so you can see, so you don't want to wear something too suspicious, and you don't want to be very invasive into the target area. A hat is good to cover your appearance, and sunglasses are even better. The advantage to sunglasses is that nobody will be able to tell what you're looking at. There are several things you need to find out about your target zone...
-Fencing. If you will need to get past a fence, you'll need to check for weak areas of the fence that you can climb over. You need a way to climb in, and a way to climb out.
-Lighting, check for porch lights and possible motion sensing lights.
-If your target zone is a person's house, check for dogs in the back yard and possible signs of dogs, like chewed up tennis balls and bones.
-Check for windows with open blinds that people might be able to see you from, so you can avoid them.
-Cars. If it is a person's house, if there is a car missing at night that was there during the day, it means the people are probably out partying for the night and come home at any time.
-Hiding spots. You'll need to check for temporary hiding spots inside your target area incase someone comes outside while you're performing your mission, and check for better and more long-term hiding spots outside the target area.

-If you are going to ride your bike or drive there, you need to find a good hiding spot for your bike or inconspicuous parking spot for your car a good distance away from the target zone. If it is too close to the target zone and the cops are called on you, you'll have cops swarming around your transportation and it will be pretty hard to get to it.
Escape and Evasion-
OK, so you see a police car pull up and a cop step out. He hasn't seen you yet, so you have two options, run home, or run to a hiding spot. Whatever you choose, it will probably consist of some running. The main goal, however, is that the cop doesn't see you. When the cop leaves, it's up to you whether or not to continue with the operation. If the cop calls in for backup to look around, it's probably not a good idea to continue with your mission after they leave.
If the cop does see you, it's a completely different situation. He will probably chase after you.
-So you decide to run home. You need to lose this cop quick. Jump over fences, go through back yards. You may even want to hide for a few seconds just to get this one cop off your tail. One thing to consider while running is that you want to zig-zag your direction so when the cop calls in for backup he won't know what direction you're going so his backup can't cut you off.
-If you decide to get a good hiding spot and let things cool down before going home(or continuing with your mission), your number one goal once again is to lose the first response cop. Run like hell, and get to a hiding spot. Most criminals are stupid, so the cop won't expect you to go from running at full speed to stationary hiding. So you're in a hiding spot(this is why planning is so important, so you'll know where all the good hiding spots are), the cop just lost sight of you and he has slowed down to try and find you. One little tactic I've come up with if you're hiding from a chasing cop is to pick up a few rocks off the ground, and when the cop isn't looking in your direction throw one of the rocks at a fence away from you. The cop will hear it and think it's you accidentally banging against the fence, and he'll go check it out. This will give you the chance to get to your car or get home, get to a better hiding spot, or just plain throw the cop off if you decide to stay in your current hiding spot. When it comes to hiding spots, some of the best spots are elevated positions. Trees, and on top of houses are great, because of something I call the 3-D Hiding Theory. This theory takes into consideration that humans are naturally 2-D animals, we live on the ground. Therefore, it is unnatural for us to look for each other hiding in elevated positions. If you decide to take this approach to hiding, remember that you need to be able to get down quickly in case you are spotted, and never get on top of a house with lights on inside. If you decide to get on top of a house, always go very slowly and quietly so as not to wake the occupants.
Some cops might think you're dangerous when they see you in your ski mask and camo. If they pull their gun on you, throw your hands up in the air and scream something along the lines of "DON'T SHOOT, I'M JUST A KID!!!!", but keep running. This will hopefully keep them from shooting you or at least make them hesitate enough to let you get away.

And remember kiddies, always have an excuse if your caught. I usually have a few rolls of toilet paper in the back of my car, so if a cop catches me I can just say I was going to toilet paper someones house(I'm young enough for that to believable). And if you run into a civilian on one of your ops, have some excuse like "Hey, have you seen a dog around her? I'm looking for my lost dog."

I'm reposting this in the appropriate section, because I made a new post on the BB, not knowing

this belonged in this particualr thread (what can I say, i'm fairly new to all of this). I hope bangbang wont lock it..... Also, let me make it known that this was only a hypothetical mission. Any similarities to this is pure coincidence.
A few nights ago I went out to gather intel for a new playing field for paintball. We'll call this area in question Zulu Base. Word had it that the area was monitored closely by local law enforcement, and it boosted after there was in article in the local paper about people riding ATV's and playing paintball in said location. This location was intended to be a sports arena of sorts. Funding for the arena soon ran out, and now it is derelict and abandoned.
I arrived at ZB around 2 in the morning under cloudy conditions and car lights turned off. I had worn a pair of navy blue coveralls, black ski mask, and gloves. I walked into the area with a muted flashlight and proceeded to explore the area. There was an areana for ATV's, but most of it was for paintball. I looked around for about an hour or so (keep in mind this place is FUCKING HUGE) getting used to the area and planning an escape route in the somewhat likely occasion the cops decide to show up. All over the area there were paintmarks, ammo boxes, and trash was strewn everywhere. There was nothing of value in the area except for some cinder blocks and a couple of opened refrigerated trailers with something inside (I couldn't make it out). I left about an hour later and proceeded to get my gear ready for another night op or nighttime paintball game, whichever came first.
Any tips?

Its great to finally find a message board with people who are into the same thing. Anyways, here are a few things that have suited me...

Shoes: I went to Wal MArt and bought those really cheap $7 pool shoes. Easy to slip on, not off. Lightweight, snug, quiet and has great grip on the botton. Try it.

Gloves: Also at walmart bought some great fingerless gloves with extra padding on the palms, good for climbing. Cheap, around $5.

Flashlight: (Walmart is my one stop shop, by the way) I got a nice flashlight, perfect size, for about $6. Its the size of a ballpoint pen and has a good beam. Because easily hauled items are a must, you cant carry around too much rattleing shit of something too cumbersome.

And about having people with you: I wouldn't trust anyone but my friend Kenny.

I mean, I go it alone a lot, but when I need help, I call him. He was in the Air Force and knows whats up.

So what Im saying is if you need people, keep the numbers low and only have someone you think is capable of proper expionage.

Well, thats it for now, but Ill be back later.

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Stick with black or Navy blue BDU's. If you go out into the country Camo might be your best bet.

Try whatever works best for your missions. You can try those beach shoes found at Wal-mart

(wear black socks with these), but if you want protection and something more sturdy, try Combat Boots.

Quote: quote:Originally posted by Ivoryblade:

Question on what to wear. I live in a suburban neighborhood, and was going to try to rip off thing's in garages (car stereos and other things.) Would it be better to wear black clothing, or put on camo? My brother went through marine boot camp, and I have his camo gear from that.. or is it the wrong colors (its dark green and brown camo)?

Also, what is this multitool thing? Is it like an all-in-one tool, or those tools all bunched together in a sack or something? Multitool, like a Swiss army knife or something. Be sure to get something nice, a cheap one will be loose and might break. I saw this badass thing in target- a Swiss army card. The size of a credit card with all sorts of shit in it. Very compactl.

But then again, multitools arnt for everyone. I like them, but you should try out different things.

some things to keep in mind

when cutting fences cut closest to the pipes to hide the fact that there is a giant gapping hole there.

bring string thats thick enough to be seen, also should match color of fence to act as a dummy fence.

duct tape is your friend hold it and never let it go. when a window has to be smashed open tape it over once and break it with a stick or your fist.

some things that might come in handy

prybars

bolt cutters (get something 18 inchs and bigger)

flashlights(head lamps are very useful when needed because of the handsfree usuage.

glass cutters are an alternative to the duct tape and smash method.

door shims can be made with a piece of tin

cut into a L shape

m-80 are useless in a night op because the main object of it is not to be seen nor heard

but if you decide to use one be advised that they are dangerous and illegal.

police scanners are often useful because of their ability to detect prowler calls and other dispatchs.

other tools i personally would advise you to use would be:

hammer and chisel

for de-hinging doors with the hinges facing towards you hole cutting dingy and cordless drill for drilling a opening. use this with a skeletonized umbrella (a technique seldom used by master criminals drill,insert into hole a, open , pull back on umbrella to open the door note this only works on door that open by pushing on a bar. rope great for bundling stuff to other things also can be used for climbing and fastroping gloves for protecting hands from sharp pointy things and for fastroping also for making sure the cops dont find your finger prints. multi tools and swiss knives are handy but not always need lock picks are only useful if you know how to use them even so they may take 15 to 10 minutes to open the lock unlike in movies. they are often timecosuming to use which makes you have a greater chance of being spotted.
when you accually do plan the heist or nightop set a time say 20 minutes in and out no more no less. take what you want not what you think you might need. greed kills. try to take only things that can fit into a bag with out making it a hinderance. cause if your running from the cops you dont want to have to jump fences carrying 30 pounds in your bag. schools are an easy target almost no alarms or security measure. motion detectors are your worst enemy if cannot be avoided crawl or walk very slowly or throw multiple sheets of paper to throw of the alarms and maybe they might turn off the motion detectors.

plan ahead always take photos make maps
steal blueprints or fire escape maps(not recommended)
when assmebling a team chose people that wont squeal on you, or backstab you preferably a non smoking indiviual who is capibal of jumping a fence or crawling thur a fairly high window.
if they have knowledge of lockpicking or have military knowledge its an instant plus.
try to keep numbers down to a min. of 2 max. 4
have each person in the group specialize in one or some areas. eg (lockpicking, cop watch, pack mule.
when you finnally do get the loot. one thing to do is to wait a month before selling it or sell it to dumb kids at your school.
or bury it near the sight of the crime so no one knows where to look.
there are two altenatives to what you can do for instance you can break in a school with a non conspicuois way and make it look like nothing was stolen which is the better of the latter. or you can smash a window quietly take what you want and vandlise the place which is more for the bold and stupid because theres a better chance of the cops caring about it and looking into it or one of your men squealing on you.
use this info with care and dont do something stupid like break into a library and steal a pencil and get caught doing it.
good luck.

Quote: quote:Originally posted by HARDMAN:
You think your parents will here that 300 yards away? You need to stop being paranoid, parents aren't that hard to get past. Just go very slowly. Plus 3 miles to the nearest village is pretty fast when you use a bike.
not rlly

Three miles isnt that far. When I was younger and used to ride a bike, I would ride it up to Wal MArt all the time. It was 4 miles away and took less than 15 minutes at a medium pace.

No one has mentioned a cell phone as a piece of equiptment. Good for communicating with anyone else who is going with you or in an emergency can be used to call someone outside of the team to come pick you up if you're getting chased, thought it can get you busted with the parents and will prbably piss off your friend for waking him up a 2 in the morning, it's not a bad idea.
P.S. Make sure the sound is turned off!
Edit: I like black cargo pants, plenty of pockets and dark.

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Quote:

quote:Originally posted by retards_ondrugs:

some things to keep in mind

when cutting fences cut closest to the pipes to hide the fact that there is a giant gapping hole there.

bring string thats thick enough to be seen, also should match color of fence to act as a dummy fence.

duct tape is your friend hold it and never let it go. when a window has to be smashed open tape it over once and break it with a stick or your fist.

some things that might come in handy

prybars

bolt cutters (get something 18 inchs and bigger)

flashlights(head lamps are very useful when needed because of the handsfree usuage.

glass cutters are an alternative to the duct tape and smash method.

door shims can be made with a piece of tin

cut into a L shape

m-80 are useless in a night op because the main object of it is not to be seen nor heard

but if you decide to use one be advised that they are dangerous and illegal.

police scanners are often useful because of their ability to detect prowler calls and other dispatchs.

other tools i personally would advise you to use would be:

hammer and chisel

for de-hinging doors with the hinges facing towards you

hole cutting dingy and cordless drill

for drilling a opening.

use this with a skeletonized umbrella

(a technique seldom used by master criminals

drill,insert into hole a, open , pull back on umbrella to open the door note this only works on door that open by pushing on a bar.

rope great for bundling stuff to other things also can be used for climbing and fastroping gloves for protecting hands from sharp pointy things and for fastroping also for making sure the cops dont find your finger prints. multi tools and swiss knives are handy but not always need lock picks are only useful if you know how to use them even so they may take 15 to 10 minutes to open the lock unlike in movies. they are often timecosuming to use which makes you have a greater chance of being spotted.
when you accually do plan the heist or nightop set a time say 20 minutes in and out no more no less. take what you want not what you think you might need. greed kills. try to take only things that can fit into a bag with out making it a hinderance. cause if your running from the cops you dont want to have to jump fences carrying 30 pounds in your bag. schools are an easy target almost no alarms or security measure. motion detectors are your worst enemy if cannot be avoided crawl or walk very slowly or throw multiple sheets of paper to throw of the alarms and maybe they might turn off the motion detectors. plan ahead always take photos make maps steal blueprints or fire escape maps(not recommended) when assmebling a team chose people that wont squeal on you, or backstab you preferably a non smoking indiviual who is capibal of jumping a fence or crawling thur a fairly high window. if they have knowledge of lockpicking or have military knowledge its an instant plus. try to keep numbers down to a min. of 2 max. 4 have each person in the group specialize in one or some areas. eg (lockpicking, cop watch, pack mule.

when you finnally do get the loot. one thing to do is to wait a month before selling it or sell it to dumb kids at your school.
or bury it near the sight of the crime so no one knows where to look.
there are two altenatives to what you can do for instance you can break in a school with a non conspicuois way and make it look like nothing was stolen which is the better of the latter. or you can smash a window quietly take what you want and vandlise the place which is more for the bold and stupid because theres a better chance of the cops caring about it and looking into it or one of your men squealing on you.
use this info with care and dont do something stupid like break into a library and steal a pencil and get caught doing it.
good luck.
set a time of 20 minutes? are you insane? if you are planning a hypothetical hiest your time should be no more than 2 minnutes 30 seconds in and out.With every hypothetical job i do im in out and at base 5 miles away in 10 minutes.cops come while you're taking your 20 minutes,you're fucked.
~pink panther~

Im about to go on a nighttime op,to this old asylum about a block from my house,ill post how it

went in about an hour.

Kool I'd love to hear all about it.Watch out for bums and poison.

~pink panther~

man,its been like 3 hours,hope the guy ok.it was probally the "poisonous bums" i forgot to

mention.damn.::kicks self::

~pink panther~

There's this summer house almost right across the street from me that is currently empty. I'm

thinking of trying to get in and scope it out... maybe steal some stuff (if there's anything good in

there)

20 minutes is the time from insertion to extraction.

and no i am not clinical insane.

but thank you for copying and pasting my long useless info.

Quote: quote:Originally posted by pyrozarc:
How did you fix the flashlight to the handlebars? Thats a good idea but I don't have a bike light or anything, I just have a maglight. Just wondering what the best way to attach it to the handlebars is.
I used zip strips and a slight amount of electrical tape since the whole set-up was temporary. It worked pretty good though.

Quote: quote:Originally posted by c2:
My god...Thats all I can muster... VERY good site, and I thank you very much for that sir.
Edit: I can tell ya buddy, this is going to be a very useful tool in future planning.
c2

naw man that sucks cock.

the pictures are 11 years outdated, not in color.

your new bestfriend will be MAPQUEST. you can zoom in hella times and the pictures are in color and its updated everyday. all you have to do is search the adress and then click the AERIAL view

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outsmartyouwithignorance

just to tell you

the worlds greatest bank heist took a couple of months and when they were done they took a whole day before leaving( it happened in france.)

compare that to 20 minutes

I was wondering, does anyone else in here wear contacts on their night ops?

On all the night ops ive been on, by the time we get out and on the mission plan, my eyes are really tired. I ve tried eye drops, not wearing contacts until the mission, but nothing seems to work

Any advice?

An idea on the fence cutting argument, I like to cut the links in a vertical line, so I can push one side, pull the other and create a little gap to slip through. When you let go, they look almost normal again, no holes or odd looking silhouettes (sp?)

a leatherman/swiss army knife - I've got a cybertool swiss army knife it has everthing knives, a wrench with assorted bits and so on.
a torch - i'm currently getting one probaby gonna be a maglight, if the police uses em they gotta be good ...
black / VERY dark navy or gray clothes - try to get slightly off black colours as rarely is it pitch back outside and get combats or argos
WEBBING - this stuff rocks i've got a british pattern webbing with 2 kiddney pouches and 4 ammo pouces and its a dark olive green I can keep anything.
a weapon - i would recomend a bb gun or paintball marker not an actual firearm.
Boots or solid shoes with soft soles- for climbing, waking, running and sneaking around.
a shemag - as demonstrated in another thread.
binoculars - or a monocular go for ex-military ones and get a good pair, night vision stuff ain't aways nesesary.
goves- leave no trace, use latex although if you take em off they'll be sticky and sweaty as hell.
and thats pretty much my list, of just personal equiment. If going in groups get some radios, like cyber coms 2000 - completely hands free http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif

Quote: quote:Originally posted by Flaccid_Antelope:
I was wondering, does anyone else in here wear contacts on their night ops?
On all the night ops ive been on, by the time we get out and on the mission plan, my eyes are really tired. I ve tried eye drops, not wearing contacts until the mission, but nothing seems to work
Any advice? What kind of contacts do you wear? I wear regular soft contacts, I think they're Acuvue 2s, and never have any problems. Infact, I can wear them for days on end without taking them out, and I rarely have even minor irritation.
If it becomes too big of a problem, you might try chugging some tea or coffee right before going out. Make sure it's nice and strong.

Quote:

quote:Originally posted by Psychlonic:

What kind of contacts do you wear? I wear regular soft contacts, I think they're Acuvue 2s, and never have any problems. Infact, I can wear them for days on end without taking them out, and I rarely have even minor irritation.

If it becomes too big of a problem, you might try chugging some tea or coffee right before going out. Make sure it's nice and strong.

Thanks man, that coffee thing worked wonders, in combination with replacing the 1 month + old pair i had. I just got back from the op and im madd tired, post results/summary tommorrow

i used to go out on night-ops all the time but now i don't need to or when i do go out i make a half assed job of it. i would realy like to place tactical charges all aroung my city and have them all detonate simeltainously... yea, that would kick ass.

firecracker, the pictures I get ARE outdated, but they aren't 11 years old and are certainly in color.

It varies with different areas. But my finaly question is

Quote: quote::hella Why... http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif

c2

hey as with that guy posting about how he uses webbing if he doesnt already have this i reckomend it. Get:

"H" harness(attaches to belt)

butt pack(really good for storage)

in my webbing i got:

"h" harness

butt pack(canvas, little more expensive but its good.)

2 canteens and covers(can always remove canteens and use covers for storage.)

and some ammo pouches(one for med kit)

P.S anyone thought or using electrical tape/ duct tape to make pant less baggy?

also why not add a "glow in the dark" compass

could be very valuabe.

hope this info is ok(webbing can be got from army disposal stores)

wolfy_9005 - i've got it all like i said 4 ammo pouches and 2 kidney pouches which you normally

put mess tins in. I've also added a holster for my magight and my cybertool. I can live off my

webbing for a day minimum. I've got the H harness straps but no bum pack, I'm thinking of

upgrading with a daysack, like a clip on backpack using the H harness for the straps.

The best make for compasess is Sliva the British Army use them.

I'm also thinking about upgrading my maglight, DIYing it so its LED, more economical and powerful.

At least he got caught / killed / raped doing something he believed in...

If I disappear the same way, post something funny about me.

I know someone who's going on an op tonight, he's going around 10, quite early but he knows the occupants of the doctors house are out because they are attending a party of a company my nan owns...

Post how it went sometime 11 / 12?

...

All information posted is hypothetical,and happenings similar to this are purely coincidental.

A friend and I are doing a night op tonight.we're going to a car wash,drilling the lock on the token machine,and taking all the quarters and dollars.Then about7 blocks away we're gonna go to a school that being built,well just portables really,then we're gonna drill the locks on the two secluded soda machines and take soda and money.I also noticed tha tsome of the portables have brand new computers in them,not even hooked up just the tower,and they dont lock the portables,even if they do I may drill the lock and take one,but Im not sure yet.By the way both me and my friend are using power drills so all that drilling didnt seem impossible due to battery life.

I'll post how it went tonight around 4:00am florida time.

~pink panther~

What kind of drills do you guys recommend for night ops ? And places to get them bearing in

mind I live in the UK with a limited income.

My friend has just told me he is embarking on his mission in the following few hours. It is dark, so I think he's picked the right time. However, he's asked if I have any ideas on how to get out of a second story window (door is creaky, apparently) I suggested jumping but the landing is concrete. There is no ledges he can see and he would like to get back in through the window? Any stealthy ideas?

Also, do you think he should risk going over a 6 ft, approx 10ft along, pile of loose bricks, or along a wall next to his two rottweilers kennels?

Any help would be appreciated by him and me.

The Chaos Penguin's friend has embarked on his mission. He placed some air packed folded tarp under the window and jumped, took the rock pile.

He's said to expect him back in an hour.

ChaosPenguin 2004-08-02 23:24 Obviously, the mission was aborted, so none of this happened. Of course.

This is what, ahem, would have happened...

Said nameless friend dropped out of the window, crossed rocks, taking approx. 5 minutes because rocks are navigated silently but with some loose footing this takes time.

The wall, right next to this area, is crossed with no difficulty, only 6ft, and the perimeter of the target house is breached.

Since the house was observed from the window earlier, he would have known there were no security lights, and the floodlight on his side. Free reign in almost total darkness...

A telephone pole was ascended, so far as I can work out the trees on his side stopped silhouetting being too much of a problem. He then realised he wasn't Sam Fisher and couldn't zip line into their open window.

He considered infiltrating the house itself, but it was occupied. Surveillance was maintained from the edges of the grounds until exfil.

The lesson learned? Neighbours have boring houses...

EDIT: Just wanted to say sorry for the obviously boring TRIPLE post... *bows head in shame*

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My version of a drill would be to find an place (abandoned, of course) similiar to the area to be

raided, and drill there for about 3 days. When you are ready, prepare your gear and commence

the operation. Having some military knowledge is very helpful.

EDIT: I thought you meant military drills...

*hangs head in shame*

Sorry guys,my mission has been cancelled due to interference from my step father. . .ok,ok,he

took the drils from me so I couldnt do my planned operation. *sigh*

~pink panther~

planning to do my first op/escape(from my house)sometime soon.any ideas for getting past a squeeky gate?

also you guys got any good site for how to make lockpicks??

Jump the gate if you can, otherwise, climb it and keep all the weight to one side, especially when dismounting it.

Can't you just go over your wall or hedge?

yeah but its about 9 foot tall with brick walls around it......and they both have no foot holes.....well i might be able to do it in about 2 weeks.....mums going away and got my pop lookin afta me...... (planning to do an op on my old primary school.....but im gonna have to use a shovel.)

Damned Fences!!

I know how you feel, I'm only 5'4"...

However, climbing and moving sliently are my specialties, so I'll try to help.

It is possible to run at the wall, sort of try to run up it and jump at the peak. If you lean forwards when you jump you can grab the top of the wall. I know the explanation sucks but it's the best I could do...

If you've got a bike (I hate them) you could always leave it out against the wall, come out at night and use that as a boost. That way it's not suspicious if anyone sees the bike there and thinks 'Why the fuck is my kids bike out there, he's obviously been looking at THE INTERNET *shudder* and had his mind corrupted by some intelligent, nice people with a penchant for sneaking around the place...'

Live for the present, you're going to die in the future...

I know you gys won't think I'm serious, sane, or smart.. but when performing night ops I usually

listen to the mission impossable theme in one ear on headphones, for some reason it relaxes me

and makes me feel like I have the balls to pull it off..

p.s, yea i just registed 5 minutes ago but have been browsing this site for a few months, very

useful information and it seems like pretty cool people.. for the guy about mounting a flashlight to

handlebars:

If your a perfectionist like me, you'll want to make a custom set of handlebars, I did using some leftover steel tubing, I made it in such a way that I can rest my arms on it and not get tired, and push buttons to make the light go on.. if your interested I could email you a design.

I might be new to the forum, but I've been going on ops for around a year and half, so I think I can say you ARE insane and you are not smart... if you're serious.

You won't be able to hear potential threats and compromises, and, especially if it's only in one ear, it's going to make noise no matter what you say.

It's not often someone comes out of their house, looks around and hears the Mission: Impossible theme from his roof. Noise is 'amplified' at night, remember

Quote:

quote:Originally posted by wolfy_9005:

you guys got any good site for how to make lockpicks?? and how to use them

Making lock picks and how to use them. These are the only links I have off hand. Hope they help.

c2

I was thing about sneaking around a location for recon so I can get some revenge on the bastard but he has dogs. Well I can silence my steps by duct taping a hand towel on the bottom of my shoes. But his dogs can hear the slightest thing. Anyone know where I can get a digital camera for $600 and under. I also thinking about using a bike so when I park and hide my truck when I get close to the location I can use the bike for a fast getaway to the truck. Great thing is my truck is a desert brown so it's not hard to hide it. It's also very quiet while running.

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Quote: quote:Originally posted by outsmartyouwithignorance:

You could get a decent camera,then just get a real big lense with a long range and just take the pictures from far away,that way theres less chance of dogs hearing you. Yeah but what about it being dark. I would do it in the day but the problem is there is always someone home and they'ill most likely notice a guy with a camera

My friend has a different method of lock picking. Let's call it lock prying for now.

If the door you want to get through has a crack that lets you see a bit of the bolt then take something like a pencel or that sort of thing and stick it into this crack,then use your tool to pry and push the bolt into it's unlocked position.

Use something small to keep the door from locking behind you take something and put it in between the door and where it closes. Put this object low on the floor.

Even if the door you went through locks behind you,this technique can be done on either side of the door.

made some lockpicks today....well.....there not quite complete but probably about 15-20 more minutes tomorrow and they should be ready for a test run.

hey thanks to everyone who has post info to help me.

a pretty handy tool is a rope latter, you can keep it rolled up in a book back or bundled up, and

climb to high places, you can find them at fire prevention places

Just been on my first hypothetical night op, and nearly got caught. Bad start eh...

The plan was to run around with my BB firing shotgun and shoot peoples windows to wake them up and annoy them. So I went across some fields near my hosue, with gun, and went down a lane that led to the houses I planned to attack. I was part way down the lane when I saw a light apparoach, I assumed it was soemone with a flashlight. Whilst yet I hadn't done anything illegal taking airsoft guns around in public is illeagal in the UK, so I was pretty fucked. My options:

a) hide gun and act normal

b) run

The gun was too long to hide under my jacket and there was no convient cover so I decided to run. The light suddenly got brighter, and I looked around and was horrified to find out if was a car coming. So fuck did I run! I then ran into a field and hid behind a bush. The car parked in a nearly house and the people got out. They said something about being horrified but didn't seem too bothered and went inside. I then ran home.

I didn't have a mask so they might have got a glimpse of my face, but they don't know me,so that not a problem. Soon, when I get a mask I am planning more illegal hypothetical night ops and if I get caught on CCTV, do you think these people would recognise me from height, body build etc?

I know I'm being paranoid but shit I don't wanna get bsuted. Please don't flame, I am kinda worried. Thanx.

you shoulda shot out the headlights on your hypothetical mission

You were going to shoot into people's houses? That's stupid.

Come on yall. Doesnt anybody go out on an op with a true objective in mind?

I mean, throwing rocks at people houses and kicking their mailboxes down?

I do it for pure profit. Recon, infiltration, espionage, execution (of the plan, not anybody), and extraction (of the goods).

Its cool, but youll soon want to try out bigger shit, so be careful.

Dont leave traces that youve been there, like broken shit.

Im a self learned pro, Ive been doing this for years and never been caught. See, when youre younger, its called deliquincy, but when youre 20, its called a felony.

So get away with it while you can, but remember..... theres more satisfaction in getting $$$

I use a bike too.Ive made ramp's from my backyard to some1 else's.Then I make a ramp from

they're's to mine and cover it with leave's.I can use it for fast traveling.

I only do Night Ops for revenge. I recon an area for a night. Then the next few days I plan on how I excute my plan. Then after that I excute my plan. But remember look for escape routes and think about the area you will be operating in. Then figure out what equipment is needed

Thats cool, you got a solid objective and planned ahead. See, Im very meticulous about my work and planning ahead for any possible outcomes is the way to do it.

Epsecially escapes. They are vital as hell. You see, I park my car about a half mile away in an inconspicuous area, travel steathily on foot to the destination, do my business, and freakin jet.

I put a fake liscense plate in place of my real one just in case I need to elude someone, but I never had to make a dash for it.

I did my first night op not too long ago and I found it vital to have visual recon info and satellite

photos of the area handy. A weapon of sorts, such as a air powered BB gun or a paintball gun is

needed for defense.

Vehicles: If you can help it, use a car if you plan on going on any long range op's, or use a bike if they are intermediate or short range missions.

Tools: First thing's first: KEEP IT MISSION ESSENTIAL. Bolt cutters, weapons, lockpicks, gloves, brains, and the like are all you need to execute a perfect night op mission.

Mission Planning: Scout the area in question for a few days, but don't blab about it to just anyone. Doing so around the wrong folks will raise unwanted trouble.

hey whats the best way to sell things without the risk of being caught?

The gun is not powerful enough to break things, it just makes a loud noise. Seriously, if these people saw me masked on CCTV footage could they recognise me? There are only a about quarter of a mile away from where I live so they would bust me. Am I being way to paranoid? (Please don't flame)

You are being more paranoid than me jbob the bandit, they won't give a shit BB shotgunning

windows, no damage to them, no profit in even trying to procecute your arse. And the chances

even if they did catch a look of your face they will have forgotten it by this morning.

Where do you I've btw ? just incase we were to hypotheticay meet up you know ... http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif

and carrying around BB guns is not illegal in the UK only loaded I've carried around some strange shit without weird looks.

None of this really happened, it's all hypothetical.

Recently, my friends and I went on a night op. I was suprised how easy it was to go house to house, seeing if cars were unlocked. We got into about 20 or so cars, but many had absolutely nothing worth value in them. Well, from what we saw (my friend wouldn't look in the trunk... he said that it wouldn't be worth it...) We did acquire 2 car stereo's though. Some shitty Jensen one, and a Panasonic. Both worth around $100 each max. Any idea's on where to check in a car for valuables? We looked in the glove box, ashtray, that tray by the shifter, backseat, under seats, and the overhead light blocker things.

Also, does anyone know of an easy way to siphon gas from a car? My friend and I bought a gas siphon from Walmart, but it doesnt work. Either it isn't making it to the gas tank every time, or because it sat curled up for a long time, it keeps bending back when it gets there. Any easy ways to make one or places to get one?

ashtray is probably the best choice for change, and then the electronics.. check under the arm rest and in the glove compartment too, behind the back seats if you can, its an easy way to access the trunk.. you can find that in neons

For siphening I just use my mouth, a bucket, and a tube.. and do it the old fashioned way, you can carry bottled water to spit it o ut too

I live in Wales, about half an hour from Chester and the english border.

Swansea... Sketty, to be precise. How long d'you think that is from yours?

You people are like the closest to me, IN SOUTH LONDON ! http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif

It really pisses me off that.

ChaosPenguin, I think Sketty is quite a few hours from Chester, I'll find an map and work it out. On that note I'm looking for a night ops team. All the people I know are too pusssy to do anything remotely illegal. So if there is anyone around North Wales/england border who wants to help me hyothetically destroy a pissy welsh shithole village full of assholes, I'm always here!

ive never gone on a night op,but i might tomorrow night,what should i do?i dont think i will be going into any buildings or anything ,just practice being stealthy,and maybe hide behind a house or something,i will bring a flashlight with a red filter,i have all the clothing needed except black shoes/socks,i have alot of black/grey shirts though,and was thinking of using those to make that.

Well my next Night Ops won't be for a while part of it is because the area I'm operating in will be watched by my target for a while. No I didn't blab. The guy gets a paranoia thing for a while but it will blow away. This guy is wierd saying that he's gonna catch a demon in his yard. He'ill give up soon. Then I will be able to excute my plan. I have sources that live in the area that will tell me when he's quit

i am suprised no one has brought up the point that you can break a window with a spark plug and

make no sound except fot the glass hitting the floor, it can work wonders because its quicker than

the ducktape method...

Quote: quote:Originally posted by Nox Ignus:

i am suprised no one has brought up the point that you can break a window with a spark plug and make no sound except fot the glass hitting the floor, it can work wonders because its quicker than the ducktape method... The fact is, a shattered window makes noise, no matter how it got shattered. What determines how much noise is made is how much force is applied and how big the object used is.

Almost invariably, the larger and/or slower the object, the more noise it makes. The absolute best way I've seen to break a window is to put a lead pellet through it with a slingshot.

TheFallenAngel

2004-08-05 23:39

I would think that the best way to break a window would be to make up a shaped frame of

thermite it'll be bright but I'm guessing the glass would just melt away, although thats only my

theory.

beer.. exciting, and about the windows, you can hold them while you cut one out.. to prevent

shatter.. like im mission impossable 2

I have a slight problem, I want to go on missions but its just not dark enough, theres street lamps on 24/7 and in peoples backyard if someone looks from their window they will see me even if im ALL in black... I want to go backyard shopping though!

lol i hate those street lights.....back streets are not that bad but i have to use the "main" road to get to targets......if not just shoot the lights with something powerful.

P.S:try using shadows.....they always are a friend to an opper.

If you look at the matainence covers on the lamppost there should be a method of removing

them. Ours have a small circular hole with a triangular thing which when turned will unlock it. I've

made a bit of scrap Aluminium as a key so now I can open them and turn them off when I want ...

Quote:

quote:Originally posted by c2:

A bike is a good sure-fire way to increase your operational range. Currently me and my crew have a range of about 1.5 to 2 miles on foot. Twice that on bike.

c2 I see you live in northern oregon. That wouldn't Portland would it? Where do you live bro?

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quote:Originally posted by A-dam:

I have a slight problem, I want to go on missions but its just not dark enough, theres street lamps on 24/7 and in peoples backyard if someone looks from their window they will see me even if im ALL in black... I want to go backyard shopping though! Get a powerful bbgun thats silenced and shoot out all the lights you can.First rumbage a lil in the backyard of the

house you'll be at then move to the back

door and if it ant open goto a car.Start tunk,backseat,frontseat then gogogo.

Quote:

quote:Originally posted by aTribeCalledSean:

I see you live in northern oregon. That wouldn't Portland would it? Where do you live bro?

I live a few miles outside Portland, I'm in Gresham. AIM is in the profile.

c2

I din't expect anyone to read it, but it's like 4 in the morning , and I need to kill some time. Just

skip it if you aren't interested.

Team size: 2

Transportation methods: Bike and foot.

Risk of being seen: High.

Risk of being captured: Medium.

Operation objectives: (Primary)Objective #1: Obtain various or any strain of hallucinogenic mushroom. (Primary)Objective #2: Do not get captured. (Primary)Objective #3: Search horse field for any hallucinogenic mushroom. Objective #4: Find or make a suitable efficient way into the cow field that does NOT require crossing a stream. Objective #5: Search cow field for any hallucinogenic mushroom, time permitting.

Gear:

Memeber 1:

(1) Black long sleeve, thumb holes cut in.

(1) Pair black zip-off pants.

(1) Pair Tactical boots.

(1) Pair gloves.

(1) 4 inch, half serated Gator blade.

(1) Small binoculars.

(1) Operations bag.

(4) Zip-lock bags.

(1) Bike lock.

(1) Bike.

(2) 24 oz Sports water bottle.

Member 2:

(1) Navy blue BDU jacket.

(1) Pair long dark pants.

(1) Pair fingerless climbing gloves.
(1) Pair Tactical jungle boots.
(1) Bike.
Times-
Start time: 2300.
Projected finish time: 0200.
Deadline: 0400.
Report-
It started with my friend and I deciding to go shroom hunting. Of course the only way to get thre was through some very uncomfortable urban areas, with the occasional undercover or black and white patrolling. I live on a large hill, so getting down was easy. we got onto a back trail that is deserted at night (obviously), we stopped, hid the bikes behind some bushes, chained them up and geared up. We have to change near the op location so we can travel freely without much suspicion other than our bags. We went to check a horse field first (not sure wether shrooms growed only on Cow poo, or on horse poo as well.Well, it was only by the time we got there, I realized that everything was WAY too wet still, and the shrooms, if any, wouldnt have had a chance to grow. So after we had crawled over the electrical fence, found the enviroment unsuitable for the shrroms, and back over the fence again. We decided to make it a training op. We had only brought the essential gear, and not much else. 2 water bottles, and that was all we had. We decided to head for the cow field to try to establish a trail to there, for fast, easy entry later. What a ride. We made it up a closed street, stopping at a turn right behind a road block, as a deer decided to stand just far away enough so we couldnt see it. A car begins creeping up slowly from the blind side of our position, and I say "Hold postition." We hold. The guy drives up, so his headlights are right in our faces, BOM! There went our night vision. I say "Pull out!" and we pull back, fulsprint behind the roadblock. I said "Weapons at the ready" and we pulled out our knifes. No one followed. We decided to immediately go asess the situation, to see if he was contacting the authorities, if he was, it would have ben aborted. By now the driver has the car parked towards the road block head on, illuminating the street for as far as it can. The street was hillish enough going down we could lay prone, watching them, right below the light beams. They looked for about 30 seconds, got into their car, and drove off. We decided to traverse a small hill next to the road we were on, giving us a full view of the street. We silently crept through it, and made the top of the hill, where the FULL turn was visible, including the 2 stoplights at either end. The nearby pub was unusually busy, and traffic was heavy. We crossed the street onto a hidden side trail that led to a pumping station, 30 yards from the extremely lit up street. Surprsingly, there were cars evry few seconds, so getting to, and across the street would be a challenge. We waited for a lapse in trafic, and made a dash through the field lit up like it was day time. We hid at the base of the street, since the ground sloped up high enough for someone to hide at the base undected. Arial photos showed that in order to get to the cow field avoiding the stream that zig zagged all across the field, we would have to follow the tree line around, or go straight through the woods. We could'nt see what the ground floor of the forest looked like, so we opted to circle around. We made it across the street at the next gap. Then jumped the fence and charged into the darkness during the next gap. We silently made our way across the field, seeing as we had about 1-2 miles to cover on land before we hit the tree line we were to follow. We made it through the wet field of tall grass quickly and effeciently. Unexpectedly, we hit a recently built residential neighborhood. We decided to stick inside the field and go behind the back, since the grass was taller than me anyway (over 6 feet). We however, soon moved closer to the houses since the punishing grass was too soaked, and the blackberry/sticker bushes too numerous no navigate.

We made it past the last house after deciding not to run through the well lit street. We made it past the street and soon after entering the grass again hit blackberry bush. With no other way around it, we stepped and kicked it down to go through. We travelled for another minute through more soaking wet grass. We then again, hit more blackberry. My op buddy picked up a wooden, thick stick, and began beating the blackberry. Looking with the flashlight straight ahead revealed at least 30 more feet of blackberry bush. I however looked to the left, in under the tree line, to see a clearing. We started working towards that. We made the clearing after about 20 minutes of searching for a different ruote, then beating blackberry bush. The clearing in fact turned out to be a trail. We followed it towards the cow field, occasionally searching a side path we believedwould take us to the cow field. again and again we searched thepaths, and again adn again we were forced to beat through blackberry bush until we decided to find a better way. We moved down the trail to find a promising ruote, heavily clad in blackberry bush, we decided to go through it since it was only about 30 fet or so to the cow field. I later went further left and found a very weak plant i could simply walk through. We were now about 15-20 feet from the blackberry bush while I decided to chack the watch. 0140! It would be a VERY long and strenous bike ride home We continued until 0145, before we finally pulled out to explore the path another day. We followed the trail back to our original entrance. Already bleeding all over our arms and legs from the work and the blackberries lshing back, we decided to follow the trail in hope of it taking us into the neighborhood we passed earlier. We followed it and came to a few very promising side trail that we though would lead us to back yards, yet we alwasy ended up with black berry bush. We finally got a large stick, which my op buddy would throw on the black berry, then begin walking up it to tear and bring the bushes down. This continued until about 0220. I finally took a look. With a dog on the other side of the bushes, unknown length of bush to go, both of us exhausted and bleeding, I decided to pull out and head back the same way we came. We ran the entire way, across the trail, through the blackberry, through the soaking wet grass, through more blackberryy until we finally reached the newly built neighborhood. We looked at the grass behind the houses, and at the street in front of us. We gave a burst of energy and sprinted across the treets into another field, which was thankfuly dark. We finally busted open, and killed one of the water bottles. We ran back and hid on the slope on the side of the road again. We ran across the street, and kept runing until we made it to the place the bikes were locked up. we de-geared. We were de-geared and ready to set out at 0300. We started biking towards our homes. I had to leave the gear with my friend (who doesnt have to bike up the big ass hill) sine it would be hard enough to explain to police what I was doing out at 3 in the morning. We parted ways, and I was left to take the huge hill, and 1.5 mile uphill ride home. With the deadline almost up soon, I pushed hard up the hill and home. I made it home at 0338. I still have community service today in about... 3 hours. Battered and bruised, and completely exhausted, I have no choice but to go.
Mission objectives. Objective #1: Failed. Objective #2: Completed. Objective #3: Completed. Objective #4: Completed. Objective #5: Failed.
Casualties: 0
Injuries: Minor scratches, pulled muscles, and sore muscles.
Operation status: Failed.
Final note: This was if not one of the most physically and mentally demanding Op's I've done. Though it may not sound like much written down. Everything hurts like hell.
c2

I have some tips for night ops if people havent heard them already:
Use the railway tracks as transport across town. Countless times my group would use the tracks to get safe access quickly across a reasonably far distance. Not only are their no cops on railway

tracks, but they go strait in one direction so you can get from A to B without hassle. Provided the target location is at the other end of the tracks..
Also a problem I face regularly is crossing rivers in town. Bridges are a death trap if there are people looking for you and they find you in the middle of a bridge. Crossing the train bridge is scary sometimes, the one here has pretty old rotting boards. And there is the constant thought in your mind of what to do if a train comes. And there are no lights on the bridge either so it really sucks at night.
BB guns and sling shots are never that reliable. Dont put to much trust in them. And dont forget that a projectile hitting an object at that speed can be pretty loud.
I dont like taking bikes on missions. And never cars. They are a liability. Anything too big to carry is a liability.
Utilise fields and paddocks if you live near them. Going the long way around through a paddock is worth it. Even if the ground is soaked and you get all wet.
You can find useful gear all over the place.
For example: I was once short cutting through a place which sells tractors and crap, and i found a length of chain with an open padlock on it. I forget what i used it for but im sure it was good.
Look for stuff everywhere.
Black is not invisible. Grey is much closer. If you have pure black clothes then you will seem darker than your surroundings. Grey is good because at night you cant really tell what colour things are, they are all just greyish. So you will blend in really well. Black will stand out sometimes.
If you have explosives and want to let them off, do it before the mission. I always use any of my pyro devices somewhere before i start the mission. If you think you can take them with you to let them off in some cool place or to damage something, then you will probably never get around to it or never have the opportunity, and then you will have unused explosives sitting around. Its happened to me heaps, now i dont bother.
Just because something looks sturdy doesnt mean it is. Example: This one time we were seeking shelter while on a mission because it suddenly begain pouring rain. So we ran into this show ground where they have car races and cattle shows and crap, and we found this shed like building which is where people buy food and eat normally. It had this big metal gate as the door and we just sort of lifted it and barged it at the same time and it came off easily.
I will now tell you the rest of the story of this night.
As I said, we were seeking shelter from the rain, it was absolutley pouring. So we managed to break into this kiosk building thing. The noise of the rain on the tin roof was deafening. We had to yell to hear each other. Think of all the things you can do on a ruckus if you could make all the noise you want. Well thats what we did. We trashed that bogan place. They had so many cans of coke and stuff that we couldnt carry them. We opened a bunch of em, took one swig, and chucked em. We really went to town. Normally we are all 'dont destroy stuff for no reason its bad', but that all goes out the window when you have free reign to do what you want. We poored bbq sauce all over the place. There were a bunch of big containers of vegetable oil up the back. We poured alot of it over the place and the rest into this freezer. It was fun to watch the bottom of the freezer fill up with about 10 cms of oil. I have no idea how they cleaned that up. It was a big freezer, weighed a ton. Then we found a whole heap of eggs in the fridge. We threw them all at stuff. Then we threw some cans of pepsi max at the wall. That stuff is explosive! Ive never seen

soft drink cans go off like that. Then we poored garbage everywhere. We were there a good hour and a half before the rain calmed down. Then we made off with as much soft drink and stuff as we could carry.
It was a good night.
Fuck that post was long.
oh yeah,
MOLOTOV EVERYTHING!

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I dont like taking bikes on missions. And never cars. They are a liability. Anything too big to carry is a liability.
You just gotta know how to use them. My trucks a desert color so it's pretty much camoflouged in my town. If you hide them right like park them on a trail you made to get your target. Plus my trucks as quiet as a mouse.

Yeah but if you get caught in your car you're pretty much fucked. high speed chases mostly fail and you cant really abandon you car and make a run for it becaus they will work out who owns the car and come after you. And if you suddenly need to change your escape route but you cant because you need to go back for you car then you have a problem.

Basicly I dont think its a good idea to take anything which you arent willing to abandon, and also nothing which is tracable to you.

Asy, no police chases work, high speed or low.. didn't you ever see OJ? Anyway.. I agree, would

it be of consideration to use a small plane?

Quote: quote:Originally posted by AsylumSeaker:

Yeah but if you get caught in your car you're pretty much fucked. high speed chases mostly fail and you cant really abandon you car and make a run for it becaus they will work out who owns the car and come after you. And if you suddenly need to change your escape route but you cant because you need to go back for you car then you have a problem.

Basicly I dont think its a good idea to take anything which you arent willing to abandon, and also nothing which is tracable to you. Yeah but I operate when the cops don't. After 2:30 AM they are know cops. I have a police scanner just in case. Plus the cops where I live are too damn lazy to leave Denny's just for vandals. Plus the cops don't go I out of town and the county sheriffs vehicles can't go as far where I operate. I go on the dirt roads where they are on Private Property. So the Police can't arrest me on Private Property. Unless your commiting a real serious crime like murder. Thats a law in Arizona.

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OK, now that we no how to be stealthy ect... What are you actually going to do on a night op besides get a good workout?

Quote:

quote:Originally posted by navyseals101:

OK, now that we no how to be stealthy ect... What are you actually going to do on a night op besides get a good workout? Depends on what type of person you are. You can steal things from cars, garages, sheds, schools, buildings, houses... anything. You could spy on someone and get blackmail http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif, you could sneak around just for the hell of it and the adrenaline rush, you could do anything you wanted really (within reason, your not god... or w/e thing/person other people believe in)

ic...new schools that are just being built is a good place to hit right?

Quote: quote:Originally posted by navyseals101:

OK, now that we no how to be stealthy ect... What are you actually going to do on a night op besides get a good workout? Who says nobody has a specific mission? I night-op for 3 different reasons:

1. Adventure

2. Profit

3. Information

yeah new schools are the best.some older schools are also good because they have had more time to get money for computers,projectors,laptops,dvd players etc

hmm Iwant to start for profit ive done a few normal exploring and what not, as a real "noob" as they say, where should I start for profit that isnt all that hard?

tonight I'm doing a mission, hypothetically, at the tech school.. my objectives are

1: Don't get caught.

2: Get a desktop CNC mill.

3. Get home.

I'll tell you how it went tomorrow..

Quote: quote:Originally posted by Ivoryblade:
[b]Any idea's on where to check in a car for valuables? We looked in the glove box, ashtray, that tray by the shifter, backseat, under seats, and the overhead light blocker things.[b] In new Citreon cars, they have two hidden conpartments in back. They are under the carpets were ur feet go (sorry I have no idea what that bit is called). I guess a lot of ppl would use these hidden places to put stuff like DVD players, or other expensive stuff.
Hope that helps

Skwid

A small problem...
It's possible that the house on the grounds my friend entered could be infiltrated quite easily, and he's going to go in again, or so he says. The only problem is, it would NEED two operatives.
The second operative is my cousin. He's been going to army cadets for around a year and a half now, he has some good theoretical tactical knowledge. The problem is, he has no experience with urban operations, and while he has a very good mind for this sort of thing (he specialises in recon in cadets) he's not always too serious, and is a coward when he's worried about himself, not to mention arrogant.
He is, however, the only person my mate could find who would be able and willing to engage in this operation. Is he too big a liability though, do you think? The op is a standard espionage mission, infiltrate the perimeter, proceed to house, make way to roof of house, enter house and attempt to map interior, exfiltrate.
Would he be able to do this properly?

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quote:Originally posted by ChaosPenguin:

A small problem...

It's possible that the house on the grounds my friend entered could be infiltrated quite easily, and he's going to go in again, or so he says. The only problem is, it would NEED two operatives.

The second operative is my cousin. He's been going to army cadets for around a year and a half now, he has some good theoretical tactical knowledge. The problem is, he has no experience with urban operations, and while he has a very good mind for this sort of thing (he specialises in recon in cadets) he's not always too serious, and is a coward when he's worried about himself, not to mention arrogant.

He is, however, the only person my mate could find who would be able and willing to engage in

this operation. Is he too big a liability though, do you think? The op is a standard espionage mission, infiltrate the perimeter, proceed to house, make way to roof of house, enter house and attempt to map interior, exfiltrate.
Would he be able to do this properly? DROP HIS ASS FROM YOUR OP AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. If he's not sure of himself, he's not only a liability to your op, but to you as well.

It went without a problem,

On a side note, if yo need a good cover device to mke a getaway from a night op, go here

http://www.tacticalfunhouse.com/index.php?category=Smoke%20Devices%20and%20Flares& subcategory=Flares

ejeit ! Those are proper rescue fares ...

you'll get a semi-bright light a red hot flare and some smoke. You'll stand out like a fool, they'll make it lighter for about 10-20 mins so people can see you better ...

If you weant something to cover your escape try these http://www.hfmgroup.com/professional...sandfuses.html

A loud bang and very bright flash lasting miliseconds, disorientate your opponant and completely ruin their nightvision. or maybe just the military smoke grenades for �20 each ...http://www.hfmgroup.com/professionalsupplies/grenadesandtripwires.html - they're in the middle.

I'm glad you posted that, however, I live in the US, and converting British Pound Sterlings over to

the US Dollar can be a bitch.

BTW, those are smoke flares. It's exactly what I had in mind to buy, along with the rocket flares, another fun toy.....

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quote:Originally posted by TheFallenAngel:

ejeit ! Those are proper rescue fares ...

you'll get a semi-bright light a red hot flare and some smoke. You'll stand out like a fool, they'll make it lighter for about 10-20 mins so people can see you better ...

If you weant something to cover your escape try these http://www.hfmgroup.com/professional...sandfuses.html

A loud bang and very bright flash lasting miliseconds, disorientate your opponant and completely ruin their nightvision. or maybe just the military smoke grenades for �20 each ...http://www.hfmgroup.com/professionalsupplies/grenadesandtripwires.html - they're in the middle. If you're hardcore, you'll order these :

http://survivalops.com/tanneriteSirenRocket.wmv

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For all you UK people, use- http://www.multimap.co.uk

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How many of you have explored the storm drains in your area? How do you get a manhole cover open?

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quote:Originally posted by Run Screaming:

How many of you have explored the storm drains in your area? How do you get a manhole cover open? i have done it, just get a piece of re-bar (spelling?) or a stick. it sucked down there...stinky, slimy, wet, but it was really interesting and everyone should try it once.

How Noisy will a person be if they walked on the roof of a house? imm do some testing but i

would like to know.

prolly pretty noisy if u r careless, but if your careful and dont slip or anything, it should be kinda quiet. but i still wouldnt risk walking over any bedrooms

ok... this is the op SWIM plans to do tommorow night maybe. ive posted this before but ive never had the balls to do it...being so close to home and all. the op site is litterally half a mile from my house...in a small village.

the plan is this:

travel on foot to op site

jump river that makes up 1 boundary of property..im not sure about getting back over it but i will check it out tommorow morning.

travel the 30 yards to a 5ft high wall surrounded area and climb over wall. again, to get back over i may have to take a rope as it is about 7ft high on the inside.

explore inside of walled area

follow same route to get out.

i am considering taking a small ladder to get over the river and wall. what do you all think? i will email a shitty arial photo to anyone who asks.

you just want to look around?

hey all, i'm currently selftraining myself in pretty much everything usefull when breaking in, got a

question;

Do anyone ever use thermite for breaking locks open? i'v learned how to make it now and all, havnt used it for anything in particular though, the gigantic flash is a big minus with it tho, but it does at least do the job.

you guys know that you make your own smoke grenade if you don't can buy a military one; saltpeter and sugar, ring a bell?

/cenox

me and a friend were on out one night and we saw a shed. it had a lock and niether of us know how to pick a lock, is there any othere way to cut it off or cut the metal around the lock off so i can get in it, with out makin all that noise. thx

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quote:Originally posted by the_herber:

me and a friend were on out one night and we saw a shed. it had a lock and niether of us know how to pick a lock, is there any othere way to cut it off or cut the metal around the lock off so i can get in it, with out makin all that noise. thx Get some 18" bolt cutters and muscles. Look, no lock now~!

me and a friend did night ops just last night, my second mission, and it went smoothly with a few minor flaws.

Mission, backyard/shed shopping, I live in a town where prob only 65% of the houses have garages, so we went to the poorer (not too poor, nice houses but no garages) and when they don't have garages they have sheds. we did a whole street every house it all went perfectly, I noticed that the first houses was making me a little nervous, but got through to em and I instantly got used to it, we did the whole street until the final house, the shed was open went in there and all I stole was a lighter lol (the ones with the long nose for BBqs :P) walking out theres a house in front of it with NO lights, wow perfect place, so I look for motion detector lights as usual, saw nothing... then as we are creeping along the side I look up I see 2 red dots appear then 3 second later a HUGE light is right on us, we ran the whole street turned and into a park, waited and we were safe. Then did a few houses and only 5 streets away ( parallel, meaning that on the same street on the left u can go to my house or this one) another light catches us so we zigzagged away and crept around to my house.

In the end we came out with a lighter and an old antique looking lamp thingy... :P, but this mission really was a good basis and gave me a start of how to be stealthy about.

tomorrow we are doing my friend's neighbourhood (richer :P). Will post on what happens.

Apart from Sheds and backyards what other amateur work is good? (for profit or finding random fun/cool things u can steal)

Im thinking of night oping my school one day.....i could ride my bike down there late at night, but the problem is, i have NO idea on what to do, like vandalism, ect....any help?

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quote:Originally posted by 7.62x39:

Im thinking of night oping my school one day.....i could ride my bike down there late at night, but the problem is, i have NO idea on what to do, like vandalism, ect....any help? If your sure that there isn't an alarm system on the school, you could try to steal the computers, or parts of them. I would go for hard drives, video cards (if not build into motherboard), or RAM sticks. Or, you could just go down and break down a door and find someplace to hideout to see if anyone comes. If no one does, go have fun!

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Apart from Sheds and backyards what other amateur work is good? (for profit or finding random fun/cool things u can steal) Try opening cars that don't have alarms. You could find stereos, wallets, cell phones, purses, random junk, alcohol (found bud light recently!), cigarrettes.

For some reason, people think that when behind their front doors they are safe. You'd be suprised how many people believe their garden fences are an impenetrable barrier with seismic detectors, with more pressure pads on the lip in case anyone climbs it by hand and... I hope you understand. People think their back gardens (yards, for Americans, sorry...) are thief proof. Because of this, people tend to leave their back doors unlocked for some strange reason... perhaps it's just that I live in Sketty in Swansea, a nice place with less deaths by natural causes in a year than drive bys in London per day...

Anyway, if you can get into a house, first place to look is front room, obviously. Kitchen is good, silverware and such, garages, if possible, usually have some tools you could even use on future ops. Childrens bedrooms are more likely to have expensove stuff than adults.

And now... it's all theory, I'm not actually a thief, just an infil man with a penchant for espionage. Still, same principles apply I believe.

I know people have said to shoot out windows and break them with little or no noise involved, but

has anyone in here ever considered using glass cutters?

^^^do u mean the kind people use to cut stained glass windows? my parents make stained glass art as a hobby and ive made it with them. if you do it right, there should be a slight tearing sound as you make the score mark, and then (if you dont break the glass in the process) it should simply break into pieces. this works awesome and is much quieter than other methods

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Quote: quote:Originally posted by 7.62x39:

Im thinking of night oping my school one day.....i could ride my bike down there late at night, but the problem is, i have NO idea on what to do, like vandalism, ect....any help?

if your school got a lab why not raid it for chemicals(especially the one for bomb making etc.) otherwise like a guy said earlier just takethe computers.

Go especially for pottasium nitrate, hydrochloric acid, phosphurus powders are always fun, ethanol, and anything with the flammable or oxidising symbol on it. BB can tell you what to do with them, or anything else you might need...

If they don't have a lab, and I really doubt that, I read that you can cover grass in salt and it all dies, write someones name or something. Ummmmm... you could take a look at the CCTV monitoring post, see how that works (are the cameras on rotation, are they all on all the time, what's the field of view of the most important cameras, are they even on [not in my school, worst deterrebt ever ...])

I'm not really too sure, I'm not into vandalism or any kind of sign of intrusion but fuck it, hope you enjoy and destroy anything you feel like, spray fire extinguishers in the corridoors, smash the windows of your worst teachers class room and burn his desk... do whatever you like.

Has anybody discussed the factor of scents being left behind for k-9's to find You?A friend of

mine just went to prision cuz the cops tracked him to the house he was at.

has anyone noticed how sneaking around in night ops isnt any fun is no-ones looking for you and

the night time is as bright as day with those damn street lights?

Of course no one's looking for you, no one's meant to know you're there. That's usually the whole point, if they're looking, you've either failed your mission or are in danger of doing so. If you want higher risks, go break into a patrolled complex, which is fun, or take 50 milligrams of prozac and see whether the result is death or autism.

Theoretically http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif people tend to leave their back doors unlocked, particularly sliding glass picture windows. Many, many burglaries succeed because of this.

^ this point has already been made, only a few posts ago.

Anyway, I will be gone for 7 weeks, not that I'm known enough for anyone to care, but this brings great opportunities for operations. On the way back home I will be stopping and changing trains at Victoria and Paddington stations, I've been doing so for three years every school holiday, but this time I am going to have a look to see how someone could possibly penetrate security. Last time I had my hand on an unloaded replica 92FS all the way through the tube.

Once home, my posts will be rare, I hope someone misses me. Back in 7 weeks.

if you have blood hounds chasing you you can cover your tracks by spraeding around cocaine,it is a little expensive tho.

quote:Originally posted by whitemonkey:
if you have blood hounds chasing you you can cover your tracks by spraeding around cocaine,it is a little expensive tho. That's not a very brilliant idea. For one, the chances of it working are slim to none. Second, if you get caught, not only will you be busted for B&E or whatever and evading police, but for possession of narcotics as well.

so i�m going out tomorrow night.

tools:

crowbar just bought it =)

flat screwdriver

knife

red glass flash light

and black clothes

anything else I need ..ps. this is the first time

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Assorted sizes of screw drivers, a baf, and some water depending on how far your travelling. I

normally carry 2 for each team member, we also stay out nearly all night. Every situation is

different, go into the field, then make a note of what tool you used/needed and which you didn't

use/need, only take the stuff you need or could need in the future. Common sense

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c2

mission essential gear. 'nuff said.

We got an ideal place for night ops...its waaay to close to my house though but it's alright cos at

night there's nobody there.

It's just a building/concrete plant... ive been sneaking in there as long as i can remember, used to steal the metal dustcaps off the trucks and stuff...but lately we can steal roadsigns, tools, shovels and spades and shit like that. heh, we even broke into the portacabin they use as a toilet and took a couple weeks worth of bog roll and some POlICE SLOW tape that they put around traffic accidents.

Good fun http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif

I've been trying to find a good site lately between me and the nearest town to use as a base of operations at night. It should house water, maybe some food, spare batteries, a cheap knife, and possibly a few first aid items. Ideally, it would be safe to sleep there as well.

This is proving to be difficult because there aren't many forested areas between me and town, so I'll be searching for an ideal spot for quite a while I'm guessing...

I live next to a High school so I'm going to Night Ops it while my parent are away this weekend.

Quote: quote:Originally posted by -Imp:
so i�m going out tomorrow night.
tools:
crowbar just bought it =)
flat screwdriver
knife
red glass flash light
and black clothes
anything else I need ..ps. this is the first time
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For af irst nightops... thats perfect

I have a slight problem.
I want to start going through cars, but you see with the street lights its so easy to see and also 99.9% of the ppl have lights on at night in front of their houses... =/ and dont opening car doors make a loud sound? A lot of the houses are bungalows too, so they might hear if they are awake the sound of a door opening...
ANy tips on how to get in undetected?

Also I found a trick for backyard/shed shopping for those who have street lights. at 2 am- 3 am public security stop passing so just walk on the street normally in a gray or black hoody... then when u want to get to a house u simple put ure hood up tuck your handsi n your sleeves or have gloves and get in... voila.

Well first take out the light's with a silenced gun of some sort.

And for the door's just

open it slow.It should'nt be loud

Unless you slam the door back hard.

Before you go in scope it out and

target what ure gonna go for..just use

B nocks at day and rite down what ure

gonna jack.

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Quote: quote:Originally posted by Hellz-Fury:

Well first take out the light's with a silenced gun of some sort.

And for the door's just

open it slow.It should'nt be loud

Unless you slam the door back hard.

Before you go in scope it out and

target what ure gonna go for..just use

B nocks at day and rite down what ure

gonna jack.

[This message has been edited by Hellz-Fury (edited 08-14-2004).] If I have no access to a gun?... I am but a wee minor still.

Then go to the power thing that goes to the cord's and powerline's and open the box up and cut

the wire going too the light's.Or

thro a rock at the light's. http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif

thanks Adam, well now I have a new prob. Yesterday I found out that almost every car in the whole city have electric door locks-- now how the hell am I supposed to get in ?

As far as I know its nearly impossible to break the pins. And I can�t use an auto jiggler.. so what do I do ?

should I just tape the window up and smash it ? ..it would be nice to do the job without too many traces

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quote:Originally posted by -Imp:

thanks Adam, well now I have a new prob. Yesterday I found out that almost every car in the whole city have electric door locks-- now how the hell am I supposed to get in ?

As far as I know its nearly impossible to break the pins. And I can�t use an auto jiggler.. so what do I do ?

should I just tape the window up and smash it ? ..it would be nice to do the job without too many traces

[This message has been edited by -Imp (edited 08-14-2004).] Bobby pin and nail file (metal verion).

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quote:Originally posted by Hellz-Fury:

Well first take out the light's with a silenced gun of some sort.

And for the door's just

open it slow.It should'nt be loud

Unless you slam the door back hard.

Before you go in scope it out and

target what ure gonna go for..just use

B nocks at day and rite down what ure

gonna jack.

[This message has been edited by Hellz-Fury (edited 08-14-2004).] Easy way to close car doors without any sound (or close to none). You lift the door handle, and then just close the door. It won't close, but it'll get hooked on and left loose. Then, just push it until you hear a click, or take your hip and butt it against the door. That'll make most doors close and almost no noise.

Quote: quote:Originally posted by A-dam:

Also I found a trick for backyard/shed shopping for those who have street lights. at 2 am- 3 am public security stop passing so just walk on the street normally in a gray or black hoody... then when u want to get to a house u simple put ure hood up tuck your handsi n your sleeves or have gloves and get in... voila. Well, if one of the neighbors sees your face and the cops question them you're kind of screwed. And I don't know about where you live, but in my city the police or on duty all the time.

If you're going around a corner and need to see without being seen, go behind a car and look through the windows to the other side. If you're not "highlighted" most people won't see you.

Hellz-Fury

2004-08-14 20:09

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quote:Originally posted by Ivoryblade:

Easy way to close car doors without any sound (or close to none). You lift the door handle, and then just close the door. It won't close, but it'll get hooked on and left loose. Then, just push it until you hear a click, or take your hip and butt it against the door. That'll make most doors close and almost no noise. Yah that's what I was trying to get at.

Im going on my first car hunt tonight, any additional tips? I will look glove compartment, the side comprtment between driver and passenger, under the seats, and stereo systems.

I am far from reay for the trunk... maybe if it s accessible from inside I will...

More tips would be helpful http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif

p.s I will not lockpick, I will try and find the unlocked ones.

One point I see overlooked is that most vehicles' dome lights turn on after opening the door a little ways. There is a button that activates this after being depressed. Locate it on the cars at your house and get some practice at keeping them pressed in. Option one is to keep them stuck with any sticky substance, like gum, tape, or whatever. Option two is to keep it pressed while you disable the dome light.

If you can access the car without opening the doors (i.e. haychback, sliding rear window, and the like), disable the dome light first, then open the door for easier access.

To disable the dome light, you can usually rip the light out of the cab and rip the wires off. If not, just break the bulb.

Also, be careful about busting up peoples' front lights. They will probably investigate the cause if they are awake. When you get a good chance, use a silent pellet gun if possible. A slingshot would be a second best. Remember that with larger projectiles, the bulb housing will probably ring like a bell if it's metal (which is probably is). And if you miss...

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any1 in las vegas im gonna be there next week for awhile, planning some ops or just to wreak

havoc.

AIM jseinfeld44

master con asrtist.

GOD DAMN,
I just got home from my first night operation. I learned a hell lot of things:

1:
Every single car in the whole city are locked.
2:
I didn�t have all the right tools with me, needed auto jigglers, bigger flat-headed screw driver, powerful magnet and water ( so I had to go down to pizza house and buy a coke), i�m too much a pussy to take my crow bar and just smash-grab-run. and it seems like that every person who have parked their car on the side walk, always ahve to park it under a streetlight..GOD DAMN, so the only thing I stole was a freakin' bike... but a good one, cuz the lights were working =D
3:
The good thing is that now I know 1 and 2, so all I have to do is just getting those things above =D

Quote: quote:Originally posted by A-dam:
Im going on my first car hunt tonight, any additional tips? I will look glove compartment, the side comprtment between driver and passenger, under the seats, and stereo systems.
I am far from reay for the trunk... maybe if it s accessible from inside I will...
More tips would be helpful http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif
p.s I will not lockpick, I will try and find the unlocked ones.

oh yeah, try to find the unlocked ones.. damn impossible.. good luck.. cuz you will need it

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quote:Originally posted by -Imp:

GOD DAMN,

I just got home from my first night operation. I learned a hell lot of things:

1:

Every single car in the whole city are locked.

2:

I didn�t have all the right tools with me, needed auto jigglers, bigger flat-headed screw driver, powerful magnet and water ( so I had to go down to pizza house and buy a coke), i�m too much a pussy to take my crow bar and just smash-grab-run. and it seems like that every person who have parked their car on the side walk, always ahve to park it under a streetlight..GOD DAMN, so the only thing I stole was a freakin' bike... but a good one, cuz the lights were working =D

3:

The good thing is that now I know 1 and 2, so all I have to do is just getting those things above =D Of course city cars will be locked.. its a city. Crime happens there. I would try to get to the nearest suburb and hit there. I know that where I live and everywhere around it are "good neighborhoods" so people leave so many cars unlocked.

Report:
Me and a friend went through my local suburb, we did about 50 cars, in teh end found an acdc cd, a few expensive pens, a cell phone, we jacked the battery and smashed the phone at nearby trainstation, and a sexy leather change purse (lol), and we stole like 3 grocery bags, we thought there was a bag with like 4 huge beer tallies, but it was just 4 containers of bulk ajax (hehe)... in the end we did good, also jacked a reeses at a local corner store :-P
Cars are SO EASY, even with street lights, imp- after you do 2-3 you get the feeling and its easy as hell, just watch the alarms.
Btw, all our stolens are UNLOCKED cars, maybe in a few more we will arrange for break ins.
End, report.

i live in the suburbs =D got robber mask, and everything =D a ninja outfit, plus that hood, would be ideal, altough i have no ninja outfit, and they are so expensive =\
there's been 2 "crimes" here since i was borned, 2 houses have burned (ciggarette accident and atempt homicide.. guy not home, unlucky..) nooobody, bloody does anything here.. things u possible can steal here
flags (there's lot's of them!)
car, and all it involves (mostly old car's but it's the rush that counts isn't it?)
burgalry? (there are summer recidenst about a mile from here, wich is occupied, a moth a year, and nobody lives there, no more houses etc)
there's a electric box, just at our village's church, i can see it from my window
and that is really funny, since you can turn on and of the electricity, in the nearby houses =D)

Quote: quote:Originally posted by A-dam:
Report:
Me and a friend went through my local suburb, we did about 50 cars, in teh end found an acdc cd, a few expensive pens, a cell phone, we jacked the battery and smashed the phone at nearby trainstation, and a sexy leather change purse (lol), and we stole like 3 grocery bags, we thought there was a bag with like 4 huge beer tallies, but it was just 4 containers of bulk ajax (hehe)... in the end we did good, also jacked a reeses at a local corner store :-P
Cars are SO EASY, even with street lights, imp- after you do 2-3 you get the feeling and its easy as hell, just watch the alarms.

Btw, all our stolens are UNLOCKED cars, maybe in a few more we will arrange for break ins. End, report.

sounds good A-damn, but my friends are all pussies, and i�m a little scared of the light =D.. uhh dracula ... hey whats you aim/msn ?
MSN : kmi@ofir.dk
it was so funny, I�m walking around with my gear, when I see these 4 dudes.. then one of them says.. "omg look at him (me), he�s freaking scary":. then I laughed a little inside =D
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Quote: quote:Originally posted by mYjje:
i live in the suburbs =D got robber mask, and everything =D a ninja outfit, plus that hood, would be ideal, altough i have no ninja outfit, and they are so expensive =\
there's been 2 "crimes" here since i was borned, 2 houses have burned (ciggarette accident and atempt homicide.. guy not home, unlucky..) nooobody, bloody does anything here.. things u possible can steal here
flags (there's lot's of them!)
car, and all it involves (mostly old car's but it's the rush that counts isn't it?)
burgalry? (there are summer recidenst about a mile from here, wich is occupied, a moth a year, and nobody lives there, no more houses etc)
there's a electric box, just at our village's church, i can see it from my window
and that is really funny, since you can turn on and of the electricity, in the nearby houses =D) I suggest you dress normally, less chances of getting caught then someone seeing someone dressed in a ninja costume, they will think your a cat burglar.

Quote: quote:Originally posted by A-dam:

I suggest you dress normally, less chances of getting caught then someone seeing someone dressed in a ninja costume, they will think your a cat burglar. he�s got a point

Quote:

quote:Originally posted by outsmartyouwithignorance:

the whole multi tool thing doesnt appeal to me.mainly because they cna break and may take too long if they get stuck.I have a binder like used in school,it zips all the way around. inside i have a pry bar,audio signals,flares,pencil torches,wire cutters,wire strippers,and all my screw drivers,and

even distraction lights.Since it zips closed and has pockets,everything fits and doesnt move around.I sewed straps onto the outside so now i can wear it as a back pack or around the front as a chest gaurd.itsvery useful and i can now carry more equipment with greater ease. awesome man....u got email...we should talk http://www.totse.com/bbs/cool.gif

bump in the dark.

I see A-dam and -Imp have taken my advice http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif

Time to report my findings.

Cars are easy as hell. And there is idiots that drive them. Last night was the biggest my friend and I pulled out of one night. We found a Jeep that was a sponsor car for an audio place. Enough said. We walked away with a Sony CD player, 2x10"subs, 2xAmps, 2x4"tweeters, 4x"racing" seat covers, a cell phone (looks new) and 5 packs of smokes. But, we hit the whole apartment parking lot and got 3 more stereos, like, 10 packs of smokes, and 4 cell phones. Also random junk includes a dirt bike helmet (play it again sports!) snowboard boots (ditto!) and some portable cd players.

theres this really big store house type place nearby.....it services most of the big shops around my are especially kmart.....what do you recomend i do to try and get in there(there is a fence paralell to the road with a big open area for trucks to drive around....it is constantly spot-lighted and the warehouse is also lghted.......any info/help would be appreciated(planning a recon mission first)

Quote: quote:Originally posted by wolfy_9005:

hi..

theres this really big store house type place nearby.....it services most of the big shops around my are especially kmart.....what do you recomend i do to try and get in there(there is a fence paralell to the road with a big open area for trucks to drive around....it is constantly spot-lighted and the warehouse is also lghted.......any info/help would be appreciated(planning a recon mission first) do the "fight club carpet" and lear lockpicking.. the rest shoulnd't be so hard to figure out..

Does anyone know how to crack a safe without damaging it (so no one would be able to tell it was opened)?

Quote: quote:Originally posted by Vulture112:
Does anyone know how to crack a safe without damaging it (so no one would be able to tell it was opened)? Buy the same safe, take the other one filled with goodies on one of those pully things kids go in, and run with it :P if pursuited u can just hop on and go downhill.

Noriyuke Bump

2004-08-19 03:23

It Seems that Night Ops isnt as good as it was before, like in the Original night Ops Thread.

Well, Im Desperate for cash so i thought i would try that car thing in my area, Luckily i live in a town http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif

Any Tips on What to get OTHER than the stuff already posted?

Does anyone Have any good plans for stuff? or is everyone in JDC lol joking.

Has anyone thought of doing some of form of Scenraio game that could be considered Night ops? For Paintball...

I'm going to try something else... a day op. Think about how many people go to work all day? If

the house is empty, go in, take what you want and get out! Theres lots of money to be had in that

too. It takes a bit more balls to do it, but I might today. I'm just going to find a house that no one is

home all day. Maybe like, run up, hit the doorbell and run away on houses with no cars, to see if

anyone comes to the door. I'll get back to you if I do anything.

Quote:

quote:Originally posted by Ivoryblade:

I'm going to try something else... a day op. Think about how many people go to work all day? If the house is empty, go in, take what you want and get out! Theres lots of money to be had in that too. It takes a bit more balls to do it, but I might today. I'm just going to find a house that no one is home all day. Maybe like, run up, hit the doorbell and run away on houses with no cars, to see if anyone comes to the door. I'll get back to you if I do anything. I know a good little steal.if a Family sits in back garden or are upstairs and they leave there car keys next to the door simply make a hook and pull them out through the letterbox. You have keys to their nice car.

Me & (possibly) 3 of my friends are planning a night op/trashing. We are going to a big road of warehouses. These contain cool stuff like skate shop outlets, wires and electronic stuff, and removal/storage places.

I used to work there and I know my way around there. Ive noticed a few good hiding places there that we can use, plus there are some crop fields - very useful for sneaking to and away from there.

So far we are pretty early in te planning stages, but we have some ideas for what to take.

- Latex Gloves and Dark Gloves each. (We dont want to leave fingerprints around windows.)

-Dark Clothes

-Possibly a BB gun or 2

-2/3 Torches

-Multi-Tool penknife(s)

-Allen Key set

-Backpacks

-A set of ariel photos, a plan of the route, and escape routes for the worst case scenario.

Can you guys think of anything else we might need?

its almost weekend =)

I was wondering about ops into construction yards, what goodies are there, i dont want to trash. Any information on what i can find would help, and any tips you can give me.

Thanks

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If you can pick locks, you could possibly score some explosives. They are usually in a big red

metal chest. They were doing some digging or something bym house a few years ago, and there

was a big thing of explosives sitting there for a few weeks. Too bad I didnt know how to lockpick

at the time.

Quote: quote:Originally posted by harmless:

If you can pick locks, you could possibly score some explosives. They are usually in a big red metal chest. They were doing some digging or something bym house a few years ago, and there was a big thing of explosives sitting there for a few weeks. Too bad I didnt know how to lockpick at the time. They are building an Old Folks home, and all they had to clear was trees. So i dont think they would have explosives. Its nearing completion, so its all framed and stuff, Maybe that will clarify.

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Dont fuck with old people, seriously...

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quote:Originally posted by black_light:

Dont fuck with old people, seriously... i know...if ppl dont wanna trash anything in a car...why not just steal gas http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif lol..sounds really screwed..but with the prices goin up, shit im gonna make my own bussiness selling gallons of gasoline http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif...ill just find the cars that you just flip open the lid of the gascover without using a keay to open and ill use that syphoning gun from a hardware store...

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Night Ops BB/Pellet gun suppressor. Get a pen tube and drill 3/8 inch hole in it. Then drill holes in each end of a film canister. Put the pen tube through the film canister and fill it with fiberglass insulation. Fit it on to your rifle.

May or may not work for you. It works on my Marksman M2004, Crosman Air 17, and Daisy M83 CO2.

ok, an idea on fingerprints on night ops, instead of wearing gloves everywhere, couldnt you

superglue over your own fingers, i noticed it makes like a layer of plastic over your fingers i dont

think you would leave any fingerprints

I might go out on night ops tonight... but I still haven�t got the powerful magnet nor a screwdriver

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Dont fuck with old people, seriously... Lol no sorry to confuse you, Its not built yet! heh heh, ooo but a night op into an Old Folks home, that would make me the king of ops...... erm....yes....

Would i be able to sell anything i aquire through shed-shopping to pawn-shops? Has anyone else done this before? And if this is not the best way to sell your findings then how should i sell them? Any information/tips

would be appritated. Thanks

- SilentEcho

EDITED FOR: Clarity

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quote:Originally posted by SilentEcho:

Would i be able to sell anything i aquire through shed-shopping to pawn-shops? Has anyone else done this before? And if this is not the best way to sell your findings then how should i sell them? Any information/tips

would be appritated. Thanks

- SilentEcho

EDITED FOR: Clarity

[This message has been edited by SilentEcho (edited 08-20-2004).] You could try selling like, power tools to pawn shops. Or at flea markets/eBay. That's about all I can think of to sell to pawn shops.

damn that was close.. okey I was sneaking around in my neighborhood. and I�ve got this bike with me (not mine, I stole it from someone) anyway, i�m sneaking around when i see this couple with their dog.
I sort of panic, but not much. so I grab my stolen bike and walk by them. I turn my head away, (I have my hat on) so I dont think they know its me. ( i know them a bit, they live next to me but on another street. well we walk by eachother, nothing happens. so I place the bike up against a three. and start looking in all the cars on their street with my flash light, cuz I thought that they would walk a long walk. but 5 min after they come back. while I�m looking into a car with my flash light. okey I panic a bit again, start walking fast away. i run and hide, nothing happens. but then I see that they take my stolen bike.. damn. so i get really paranoid, thinking that the cops will arrive, but they don't.
and now i�m sitting here.
1: I had the stolen bike, so they probably think that i�m from the other end of city.
2: I looked away when I walked by them, so I dont think they could see my face
3: I did't steal anything tonight, so the cops can't charge me for anything, only looking really spooky and trespassing.
so I guess I shouldn't be worried
sorry for the spelling
Imp

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if i sold everything i got at pawn shops and flea markets and i lived in a pretty big city could i make a good living off of doing this?

Hey guys, just got a few questions. Hypothetically what kind of places do you explore and what do you do. Me and some friends are thinking about shed shopping. We could probably bust the lock with a screw drive or drill it out, how do you guys defeat locks and such?

get some 32" bolt cutters and just cut em off(the bolt cutters are big fuckers.....make some sort of backpack for em......)other wise just drill them......picking is to hard on padlocks.

outsmartyouwithignorance, where abouts in Florida do you live? Anywhere in south Pinellas

county? I need a crew for night ops but everybody I know are either pussies or inexperienced.

Also, anyone here going to the meet-up thing in Clearwater/St.Sete FL?

-Imp 2004-08-22 10:26 hey thanks all in the other thread, its just because its my second Op.

and its okey that the mod locked it http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif

okay, what i need is help on what i do next, im not an idiot, but im just unsure about what to do;

Right now when im out, i just search the neighbourhood for an oppertunity, i usually take alcohol and sell it to friends then buy equipment for the money, but thats it, i need to do something bigger and more planned, if its higher risk, then so be it, but how the hell do i find a place to rob..?

it seems like everything is a fortress and there is no money anywhere, yeah, i know its probably the opposite..

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Well, if you guys use walkie talkies i just found the best "headset" ever for them. I have some nice ones that go about a mile or 2 and have a headphone and mic input in them. This is the type of thing swat teams use. It says it rugged and for outdoor use, perfect! http://www.radioshack.com/product.as...t%5Fid=21-1835

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quote:Originally posted by black_light:

Well, if you guys use walkie talkies i just found the best "headset" ever for them. I have some nice ones that go about a mile or 2 and have a headphone and mic input in them. This is the type of thing swat teams use. It says it rugged and for outdoor use, perfect! http://www.radioshack.com/product.as...t%5Fid=21-1835 Can these be used with any radios? Not a bad idea and a good price too!

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I'm assuming that most walkie talkies have plugs on them somewhere, mine happen to be on the top. Im assuming there all spaced out that much too becuase i would be silly to make those to only fit some talkies. The larger plug is earphone the smaller is mic.

those look pretty sweet....

This is the best radio for nightops, it has GPS built in, and could show your partners location on it.

But its expensive:

http://www.afmo.com/product_page.asp?pid=2549

Those suck, You cant get coordinates pinpointed to where you are on such a small device. They have fucking gps systems that are big ass backpacks and they still can only narrow down the

location to a few yards.

Hey this is a really cool forum just wanted to say that first. Next i've been on these sort of night ops a couple times mainly just taking things out of sheds and construction sites. I'm gonna try to move on to cars and taking stuff out of them so i was just wondering what would be the easiest way to open a locked car and what is the duck tape method for windows. Thanks and any other help would be appreciated. Thanks.

Hey I also wanted to know if there is any1 on this night ops forum that lives in or close to Chicago that would wanna talk on aim or go on a night op and steal stuff?

ok. this is kinda weird. i live in a kinda rich neighbourhood btw. anyway... the other night i was on

a night op trying to find boats and get the flares from them, i was over the fence next door (no one

lives there anymore) and went over their back fence into a house with 2 75yr looking people

watching tv. i had jumped the fence and was next to the boat and i noticed a cooking pot next to

my foot which was not there the night before. i inspected the pot and it was warm. i looked under

the lid and didnt see anything(funny lighting) so i put my hand into the pot and noticed it was full

of warm water. i took my hand straight out and instantly i noticed my hand reeked of bong water.

why in hell would old people have a large pot of bong water on the back veranda? there like 75-

80 years old! i just cant understand it. anyway it took me like half an hour to get rid of that damn

smell. i hope mum didnt notice and think i smoke pot. but god damn, old people with a massive

pot of bong water sitting there. im freaked out

hm, I've never really done a night op except for one or two times. Could someone compile a very

detalied list of tools you should/could have? thanks.

Quote: quote:Originally posted by Staples:

hm, I've never really done a night op except for one or two times. Could someone compile a very detalied list of tools you should/could have? thanks. look around in the threads about night ops..

Quote: quote:Originally posted by Staples:

okay, sorry. now you suck my dick

Dark blue or Black BDU

Ankle supported boots

Blue or Black Beleclava

FRS Radio w/headset
Police Scanner?(optional, but may be handy)
Ka-Bar Knife or equivilent
Lock picking set
tool kit(you never know)
Digital Camera(with flash turned off, in night vision mode)
gloves
Back Back to carry shit in

I'm pretty sure I'm gunna wear my black jeans/straight narrow but not tight, but I'm not sure what to wear for a shirt.
I have a black sweatshirt but it's kind of big. I also have a nato jacket, but it's not exactly Dark camo, just normal ish.
I've heard that olive drab is the best for camo at night, but I dunno if thats true. I have a good drabmarinePT tshirt that would be nice, but it's a tshirt. I thought a dark blue longsleeve with the marine shirt over it?
Mostly I'll be sticking in the dark, around my nieghbors house, stealing from these rich people who just moved in.

You can turn off street lights with just a laser pointer.

Street lights have light-sensors mounted on the top of them which looks like a little black dome and can be seen from the ground. Take a laser pointer and make up a little X stand for it using sticks. Shine it at the center of the sensor for about 15 seconds (use binoculars to see if you're hitting it), and the light will turn off.

On some street lights you must constantly shine the laser at them to keep them off, and others will stay off for 5 minutes after you've stopped shining at it.

if only light could bend.(economically)Maybe that laser this for hanging pictures that can turn around corners works?

it doesn't turn around corners, you have to shine it at the corner for it to work.

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quote:Originally posted by SilentDeath47:

Hey this is a really cool forum just wanted to say that first. Next i've been on these sort of night ops a couple times mainly just taking things out of sheds and construction sites. I'm gonna try to

move on to cars and taking stuff out of them so i was just wondering what would be the easiest way to open a locked car and what is the duck tape method for windows. Thanks and any other help would be appreciated. Thanks. Quote: quote:Originally posted by SilentDeath47:Hey I also wanted to know if there is any1 on this night ops forum that lives in or close to Chicago that would wanna talk on aim or go on a night op and steal stuff? At first you struck me as a kid who obviously isn't very good at crime. Now I think more a member of law enforcement. Fools be warned. If in fact you are not a police officer, or a member of any law enforcement community, the first thing you should learn is that people who do "bad ideas" and have a quarter of a brain, don't ever, ever speak of it. At least the ones who don't get caught anyway.
Edit: Illeteracy decided to strike again.
c2
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Hey, I don't mean to offend you, but wouldn't apolice officer have some kind of badge?

Has Anyone here tried allotments? they are usually easy to get into.
SWIM and a friend of his got into a shed and got one of those power blaster blow torches for weed killing and some other tools. It's easy because all 'they' needed was some large adjustable mole grips to rip the lock off with. The lock can be dropped down a grid or buried in the allotment http://www.totse.com/bbs/tongue.gif

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quote:Originally posted by c2:

If in fact you are not a police officer, or a member of any law enforcement community, the first thing you should learn is that people who do "bad ideas" and have a quarter of a brain, don't ever, ever speak of it. At least the ones who don't get caught anyway.

c2

I notice thta all of the GOOD postersnever speak of it. Just to name a few; me, Tokolosh, Phlab, c2, cheeseduck, and sister-sara-sue.

Quote: quote:Originally posted by c2:

At first you struck me as a kid who obviously isn't very good at crime. Now I think more a member of law enforcement. Fools be warned. If in fact you are not a police officer, or a member of any law enforcement community, the first thing you should learn is that people who do "bad ideas" and have a quarter of a brain, don't ever, ever speak of it. At least the ones who don't get caught anyway.

Edit: Illeteracy decided to strike again.

c2
[This message has been edited by c2 (edited 08-25-2004).] lol, i talk about my 'bad ideas' sometimes, and ive never been caught, but only when trying to explain why im selling a �40 watch to the local speed freak, he dont mind. n he dont chat to no fuckers

He doesn't really ned to know where you got the watch does he? Think about it, he gets arrested,

and he is looking at a long time in the pen. Gang rape in the shower for years on end isn't that

apealing is it? He offers to give you up, and the cops get someone bigger while he gets a slap on

the wrist. Talking about anything in to much detail, or talking specifically about scores and hits

after the fact, is only going to get you into trouble.

c2

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lol, i talk about my 'bad ideas' sometimes, and ive never been caught... Hear that? He never been caught! Ain't that something? He never been caught.

Yet. The first time is always a surprise.

This post has intrigued me to an immense extent. I live right next to a gigantic industrial factory of

sorts. I think that there is one end of it that is no longer used. This is a photo of the deal. I think I'll

go out tonight and look around. The complex is only 1 story and there is a point where the fence

is right next to the wall, I am more than capable of getting onto the roof.

ANY comments, help, advise etc. is more than welcome.

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i was out one night and got into one of those vans with tvs and shit and i jaked it all and on my

way out i grabed the garrage door opener after packed every thing up i opened it wanted to be

ready if they awaked well they didnt and i got away with alot well i was thinking about it how

difficult would it be to send a ton of garrage door signals and see if it opens any ideas

t0xygen, sounds like you have the makings of a great project, go ahead.

how did you get that airal photo

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quote:Originally posted by t0xygen:

This post has intrigued me to an immense extent. I live right next to a gigantic industrial factory of sorts. I think that there is one end of it that is no longer used. This is a photo of the deal. I think I'll go out tonight and look around. The complex is only 1 story and there is a point where the fence is right next to the wall, I am more than capable of getting onto the roof.

ANY comments, help, advise etc. is more than welcome.

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