Sexism against men

[KnifeJuggler]

Sexism against men has gotten out of hand. Yes there IS high sexism against men, but theres nothing being done about it. There are no big shot men's rights advocates.

For example...

Divorce favors women over 90% of the time. Most of the time, the women get more than their fare share of the money, and usually get custody, even if they are not good mothers.

The housing market is sexist. Even though its the LAW not to discriminate based on sex. Go through most private Craigslist ads and you will often see "female only."

Some jobs want to hire equal amount of women and men, even though there aren't enough skilled women to apply for the job.

Pedophelia commited by a man will get hard time in jail. Pedophilia committed by a woman will get a slap on the wrist.

And there are other reasons, the housing reason is a big bitch, and it really has impacted me personally.

[Ond]

What do you suggest we do about it?

[KnifeJuggler]

First of all, it would be nice to have a "Men's Center" in college campuses. Most colleges have a Women's Center but no Men's Center.

[Martian Luger King]

The only way to get back at them is to pull a Richard Ramirez style killing spree.

It's true.

Women get more and more rights, they're favored by law. This is most easily seen in abortion related stuff where most of the time only the woman can decide on the abortion, because 'it are her body'. Fuck my own crap will ya, if it weren't for the man there wouldn't be a child, so I believe his decision should be 50% of the choice. This way wimminz can trap guys who don't wanna abandon their child, which they don't want but can't leave it.

[fuckindouchebag]

• men forced to risk their lives in male-only conscripted military service.
  
• violence against men minimalized or taken less seriously than violence against women
• depiction of violence against men as humorous, in the media and elsewhere (see Boys are stupid, throw rocks at them!), when women are also violent.
  
• assumption of female innocence or sympathy for women, which may result in problems such as disproportionate penalties for men and women for similar crimes lack of sympathy for male victims in domestic violence cases, and dismissal of female-on-male rape cases.
  
• societal failure to address prison rape issues such as prevention (e.g., reducing prison crowding that requires sharing of cells), impunity, and even correctional staff punishing prisoners by confining them with known rapists.Attention has been drawn to portrayals of male rape by women, or implied rape, as humorous.
  
• Circumcision (characterized by some as male genital mutilation) being advocated while female genital mutilation is prohibited.
  
• pregnancies carried to term despite agreements ahead of time that they would not be, subjecting men to unwanted parental responsibilities and/or child support expectations
  
• Biases in the justice system against men, such as higher incarceration rates and longer sentences for men (compared to women) for the same crimes
  
• Women may marry at younger ages than men in some U.S. states.
  
• Men pay higher premiums for auto, life and disability insurance, though discrimination according to race or other criteria is prohibited.
  
• In some countries, men have to pay more income tax than their female counterparts (e.g. India)
  
• Increasing suicide rate among young men, four times higher than among young women; (73% of all suicide deaths are white males in the United States; In the United States, more women than men report a history of attempted suicide, with a gender ratio of 3:1)
  
• It's usually seen as socially acceptable for a female to try out or follow masculine social norms, whereas if a male does the same for feminine social norms they often attract unwanted attention and are victims of ridicule and insult, with derogatory terms like "sissy" and "tranny" being used.

• Lack of advocacy for men's rights; more social programs for women than for men.
  
• Bias in health concerns; for example, more advertisements and awareness for breast cancer than prostate cancer, though both cancers kill approximately the same number of people each year.
  
• Incarceration for not paying child support, particularly for unwanted children, in contrast to women's right to abort
  
• Special government agencies for women's affairs with no corresponding agencies for men's affairs
  
• Lack of legal ramifications or enforcement for paternity fraud
  
• Lack of positive reinforcement and role-models for young boys in the media, while presentation of positive female figures is a large aspect of much of the media.
  
• Lack of educational aid for boys and men, given that their performance/enrollment at most levels lags behind that of girls and women; some states declaring (de jure or de facto) all-male schools illegal and all-female schools legal.
  
• Investing money addressing female underachievement in mathematics or sciences, while ignoring male underachievement in reading.
  
• There is concern that some university women's studies departments are more concerned with teaching feminist ideology than equality of gender. The content and emphasis of these courses vary, and some even discuss "masculinities"; but masculists fear that many such courses contribute to animosity towards men.
  
• Some universities also carry men's studies courses. Some feminists argue that these are redundant, stating that academia throughout history was predominantly focused on men; however, supporters of these courses note that most subjects throughout history have not dealt with gender directly.
  
• Harder physical entrance criteria for men in many occupations, such as the army, police and fire service. Requiring men to be physically stronger than women in these occupations leaves men responsible for a greater share of the physical work, for no more

[RabidZombie]

Yeah its kind of the same thing with racism being socially acceptable when directed at white people.


But i guess that's the price we must pay for being superior.

[WritingANovel]

I agree with OP except for the housing part.

If I could, I would only want to live with female housemates, and it's not because I am sexist, it's because I don't really feel safe living in the same house as a man (yes yes I have heard ALL the jokes about my ugly pug-face acting as a rape-deterrant, do your worst). Besides living with guys can get gross at times. Just the other day I was going to sit down on the toilet but found some sort of really weird, inexplicable substance (that in all likelihood, had a sticky consistency) stuck to the surface of the seat. It was fucking disgusting.

[KnifeJuggler]

Originally Posted by WritingANovel

I agree with OP except for the housing part.

If I could, I would only want to live with female housemates, and it's not because I am sexist, it's because I don't really feel safe living in the same house as a man (yes yes I have heard ALL the jokes about my ugly pug-face acting as a rape-deterrant, do your worst). Besides living with guys can get gross at times. Just the other day I was going to sit down on the toilet but found some sort of really weird, inexplicable substance (that in all likelihood, had a sticky consistency) stuck to the surface of the seat. It was fucking disgusting.

This is basically just a stereotype that has ruined housing opportunities for men. A lot of women and men think of all men as disgusting slobs and rapists. So much so that they just write down "men need not apply" in housing ads, even though very clean and respectful men may want to apply, they aren't even given the chance to explain themselves over the phone. There are many slobby women as well.

Originally Posted by KnifeJuggler

Pedophelia commited by a man will get hard time in jail. Pedophilia committed by a woman will get a slap on the wrist.

Really? Wasn't the most famous female pedophile that teacher who had sex with a high school student, then went to prison for a number of years before she got out and they married?


Housing, I don't know about personally- I still live in an apartment through university housing where they can't make up rules like that- they supply an equal amount of space to males and females.

But divorce, I kind of agree with. The exception being if the female is the mother and has been/will be taking most of the responsibility for their children. But in some cases spousal support seems ridiculous- I've been following the case of the Santa Clause shootings, since the guy lived in my town, and the amount his wife of less than two years was getting for "spousal support" seemed unfair. She had a kid, but it wasn't his and she got to take his dog as well.

[DerDrache]

I would be able to cope with the repercussions of Equal Employment/Affirmative Action (mainly because such consequences are unavoidable), but there's serious inequity in so many areas...it's absurd.

My personal "favorite" is how men have one means of birth control (condom), no day-after pill, no say in an abortion, and yet if the woman alone decides she wants to have the accidental child, the man is legally bound to it. Sadly, males and females alike have embraced this insane notion that the man is some evil impregnator of an innocent fertile woman.

It makes me sick.

Anyways, the biggest question is: What we could do about it? College is perhaps the ideal place to start...the trouble would be getting the school to let you start a "Men's Center", and then fending off all of the angry feminists and morons.

Also: I certainly see the parallels this has with "reverse racism", though I'd say the situation with reverse sexism is much worse. While minorities will often be favored for jobs or admissions, it isn't as though they are given more rights than whites.

[Punk_Rocker_22]

For abortion, the women should be allowed to have the child if she wants. If the man doesn't want her to have the child then he should be absolved of all legal and financial responsibilities.

"But that's not fair to the women to make her raise the child on her own!"
She doesn't have to have the child. Abortion and adoption centers are always an option. In fact, if she does have the child then it is 100% her choice.

[RabidZombie]

Originally Posted by DerDrache

Anyways, the biggest question is: What we could do about it? College is perhaps the ideal place to start...the trouble would be getting the school to let you start a "Men's Center",

Somehow I doubt many heterosexual men would join a "Men's Center"

[Punk_Rocker_22]

Originally Posted by RabidZombie

Somehow I doubt many heterosexual men would join a "Men's Center"

this.

Besides, college campuses do have a lot of "Men's Centers." They're called fraternities. As a member of a fraternity, let me tell you, topics like this come up all the time.

But it doesn't matter. The government and the media will dominate the thoughts of the masses no matter what.

[DerDrache]

Originally Posted by Punk_Rocker_22

For abortion, the women should be allowed to have the child if she wants. If the man doesn't want her to have the child then he should be absolved of all legal and financial responsibilities.

"But that's not fair to the women to make her raise the child on her own!"
She doesn't have to have the child. Abortion and adoption centers are always an option. In fact, if she does have the child then it is 100% her choice.

Yep. Abortion and adoption certainly aren't light decisions, yet it seems that many think that raising a child is an even lighter decision. Plus, when you consider that a woman has TONS of ways to avoid having a child, there generally is absolutely no excuse for a woman to have a child she doesn't want. She has access to birth control pills, female condoms, emergency day-after pills, and if she coordinates sex with certain parts of her menstrual cycle, she can make it difficult to get pregnant even without a contraceptive.

[DerDrache]

Originally Posted by RabidZombie

Somehow I doubt many heterosexual men would join a "Men's Center"

And yet, many other adult men aren't immature and insecure about their sexuality. Frankly, I wouldn't want anyone sexually insecure about going to a "Men's Center" to be a part of this movement.

[RabidZombie]

Originally Posted by DerDrache

And yet, many other adult men aren't immature and insecure about their sexuality. Frankly, I wouldn't want anyone sexually insecure about going to a "Men's Center" to be a part of this movement.

Then it won't be much a movement seeing as we insecure types are the majority.

[Rory]

Originally Posted by fuckindouchebag

• Harder physical entrance criteria for men in many occupations, such as the army, police and fire service. Requiring men to be physically stronger than women in these occupations leaves men responsible for a greater share of the physical work, for no more

No more what? Did the word limit cut off any more bullets?

[RabidZombie]

Originally Posted by Rory

No more what? Did the word limit cut off any more bullets?

money i would assume

That list is actually a pretty good "master list" of problems. Let's not forget the abundance of scholarships and programs for women, but none for men. Also, the complete lack of programs that deal with the lack of fathers (and father figures), ESPECIALLY in the black community. Do you wonder why so many young African-Americans end up turning to crime? That's what all their idols do! Where are all the role models for young black boys? They've got sports stars and rappers. So if Jamal can't rap and he can't jump, he's gotta become a crack dealer. That explains a whole hell of a lot about the high incarceration rate. And all that crap about how children need mothers and such--what about the father? Fathers are just as important, if not more.

I think think-tank groups would be a better way to start. College campuses are a bit too...feminine. In fact, many colleges have significantly more women than men. Frats as Men's Centers? Yeah right. Do you know what a women's center is? It's a dedicated location on campus for discussion and action ON women's issues. Not just a place for girls to hang out. It's like the dean's office or something. Colleges SHOULD have men's centers. But don't start at the liberal colleges--make it a conservative college thing. I see the conservatives of America being the champions of Men's Rights, not the liberals. No way in hell can I see a Democrat going on the stump for men's rights. it would alienate their voting base. But I can see plenty of Republicans being able to champion this issue.

[Bum Wax]

Although sexism against men is prevalent and accepted the impact is far less than that of sexism against women or other forms of discrimination against minorities

white males are still the highest-paid and most successful demographic and sexism such as that which you describe is insignificant compared to that which women face daily

[Martian Luger King]

Originally Posted by Bum Wax

white males are still the highest-paid and most successful demographic and sexism such as that which you describe is insignificant compared to that which women face daily

Women always say this but they never take in to account that women may indeed not be natural CEOs and bankers. Clearly the odds are not against you, hell the discriminatory hellhole that is Texas elected a female Governor back in the 80s for crying out loud. Society has been overfeminized and women have the upper hand, I called a woman a cunt once and nearly got arrested for it. Clearly, if she had called me a dickwad, which she did numerous times, along with other interesting insults I never could have done shit about it. Not that I would need to, I could have snapped her neck like a twig if it weren't for the law and that's one of the beautiful equalizers of nature. I have never once seen or heard of a woman being discriminated against and I grew up in a very discriminatory part of the world. I have never seen women treated with anything but the utmost respect whether it be in the job force or schooling, or in public in general. I don't really even see racial minorities discriminated against that much anymore, aside from places such as say, Arkansas? Women have affirmative action and you're bitching about discrimination, what a fucking joke, you just want to be discriminated against so you can be a whiny fucking cunt.

[Bum Wax]

I am not saying that there is not discrimination against men

the only claim I make is that the societal advantages men are given outweigh the discriminatory disadvantages

[WritingANovel]

Originally Posted by Bum Wax

Although sexism against men is prevalent and accepted the impact is far less than that of sexism against women or other forms of discrimination against minorities

white males are still the highest-paid and most successful demographic and sexism such as that which you describe is insignificant compared to that which women face daily

Just because someone else has it worst (in this case, women and minorities), it doesn't make it OK to discriminate against (white) men.

OP (along with a few other posters) have a point. Our society seems to think that by discriminating against the traditionally more well-off group it will somehow make life more "fair" for the other groups. This is a very weird, not to mention counter-productive way of thinking.

the only claim I make is that the societal advantages men are given outweigh the discriminatory disadvantages

It might be true; however it still doesn't make it ok to discriminate against men, just because the disadvantages they suffer are somewhat offset by what advantages they enjoy.

It's very simple really. Discrimination is wrong, therefore, we should refrain from doing it, period.

[Bum Wax]

All discrimination is wrong but in our current western society it is also inevitable

white males are the least justified in complaining about their positions in life comparative to others

[WritingANovel]

Originally Posted by Bum Wax

All discrimination is wrong but in our current western society it is also inevitable

No offense but you have a very defeatist attitude.

Discrimination might or might not be inevitable, however if enough people share your attitude, most likely it will become inevitable.

white males are the least justified in complaining about their positions in life comparative to others

Absolutely false.

They have just as much right to complain about a wrong committed against them as any other person, regardless of people's/your notion that they usually "have it better" than other groups.

I will give an example. Suppose I am a millionaire. Some thief stole 1000 dollars from me. Do I say, "well, compared to those homeless people on the street who barely have any money on them, I suppose I should refrain from going to the police and just count my blessings that I am a millionaire"? The answer is no. What that thief did to me is wrong, therefore, I am justified in protesting against it, regardless of my "lot" in life. Whether a complaint/protest is justified is determined by whether an actual crime/wrong has been committed, NOT on how well-off the victim is.

[Bum Wax]

I said that discrimination is currently inevitable, not that it always will be and not that it is in any way right

the act of theft is equally wrong no matter who perpetrated it but the impact upon a millionaire is less than it would be upon a lower-class family

[KnifeJuggler]

Originally Posted by Bum Wax

white males are still the highest-paid and most successful demographic and sexism such as that which you describe is insignificant compared to that which women face daily

Just because you are a white male, it doesn't guarantee that you'll get more money, there are many many very poor white males. And life isn't all about money anyway, happiness is really important too. If a woman takes away a man's right to custody of his children, then the woman is essentially stealing his happiness.

Feminists, society and the government don't think a man's happiness is as important as a woman's happiness. Wearing nice clothes and having long hair makes me happy, but I wouldn't have that option in the suit and tie business world while a woman would.

There are lots of white men in jail right now being treated badly. While if a woman committed the same crime, she might not be in jail or would be treated better in jail. The man's happiness and time is considered as less important in this scenario.

Even in my high school. There were 3 restrooms on campus for girls while only 2 for boys. And the boys locker room was surrounded by a cage while the girls wasn't. (That was because of theft in the boys locker room.)

[DerDrache]

Yep.^

Women's rights have been out of hand for way too long. They couldn't vote and their main function in society was to find a husband to support them. Boo-hoo. How exactly does an equality movement end up giving them significantly more rights and luxuries than men? As I wrote in another post, I understand that good programs like Equal Employment have temporary unfair consequences, but the inequities go well beyond getting hired or accepted into a school.

Men are like third-class citizens when it comes to any sexual matter, and I'm still amazed at how they lowered the fitness standards for female firefighters (and female cops too, if I'm not mistaken). I'm glad that Rescue Me's writers had the balls to show it how it is. Hopefully they shattered the dreams of some retarded little girls that hope to one day be pretty girly-girl firefighters.

Sigh. What the hell can be done about all this?

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Bum Wax: What fucking sexism do women face on a daily basis? Unless you live in a Muslim country, Russia, or are trying to make your way up the upper corporate ranks in some company, you don't experience any goddamn sexism. Rather, you've just been trained to think of almost anything that doesn't praise women to be sexist. It's quite similar to the retarded bullshit that black Americans have hissy fits about ("Oh no! Don Imus called those hoes nappy-headed").

In academic environments, female students are almost always viewed as more reliable and "smart" than male students. The only time they face sexism is in a situation where they are trying to become accepted by a team of old bigots who think they know everything. Aside from that, what are you talking about?

When a male says or does something that draws attention to a woman being physically weaker? That's not sexism either. It's a fact.

How about when a men complain that their girlfriend is oversensitive and illogical (ie. thinks with her feelings, not in terms of reality and practicality)? That's not sexism either. Just a fact. Emotional support is important for a woman, thus she has good reason to demand it. The "illogical"/oversensitive view comes from the tendency of women to ignore important tangible, real-world demands in favor of what they perceive to be important emotional demands. Such emotional needs can be sparked by trivial things, and that is annoying to men, and thus will inevitably lead to complaints. But it's not sexist. The opposite truth is that men are relatively insensitive. We don't shit a brick when we're told that, however.

A guy trying to pick you up or flirt with you is not sexism. A guy making a crude sexual remark is not sexism. Even an ass-slap, although a violation of personal space, is not sexism. It's called "wanting to have sex with someone.", also known as "nature". (Note, by the way, that whenever the tables are turned, a guy doesn't start bitching about chauvinism, nor does he get anyone's sympathy.)

The one and only "daily basis" example I can think of is stigmatization of sexual women as "sluts". However, that certainly can't be pinned on men, as women have been using the word (and the concept) for millenia as a way to protect their interests in men.

[Bum Wax]

If a woman is in the company of men her opinion will rarely be taken seriously

if a woman gets a job on merit a man will claim she got it purely because she's a woman

[Martian Luger King]

No, man does not get over a problem and move along, man confronts a problem and destroys those who suppress him. I don't think the insurgents in Iraq are trying to "get along" at present time. The reason men's rights advocacy groups are so unpopular today is because of the feminization of society, although I might add that perhaps that's not a bad thing, what have advocacy rights groups ever accomplished? Real revolution occurs via direct action and for men that includes things such as becoming prosecutors, defense lawyers, beating women, raping young girls, becoming police officers, becoming an action movie star, etc.

[Bum Wax]

Originally Posted by Martian Luger King

No, man does not get over a problem and move along, man confronts a problem and destroys those who suppress him. I don't think the insurgents in Iraq are trying to "get along" at present time. The reason men's rights advocacy groups are so unpopular today is because of the feminization of society, although I might add that perhaps that's not a bad thing, what have advocacy rights groups ever accomplished? Real revolution occurs via direct action and for men that includes things such as becoming prosecutors, defense lawyers, beating women, raping young girls, becoming police officers, becoming an action movie star, etc.

If unrestrained men resort to dishing out beatings and rapes to women perhaps it's best that they are treated more harshly by law when it comes to matters of sex and marriage

a truly developed society would remove any natural dominance by social balancing in order to give each and every citizen the fairest and most equal chance of success

Originally Posted by Bum Wax

If unrestrained men resort to dishing out beatings and rapes to women perhaps it's best that they are treated more harshly by law when it comes to matters of sex and marriage

a truly developed society would remove any natural dominance by social balancing in order to give each and every citizen the fairest and most equal chance of success

No, a truly developed society would keep natural dominance so men end up in positions of power, where they belong. This bullshit feminist agenda does nothing but sabotage our attempts to move forward as a society. Men have superior leadership skills to women, therefore they should have superior societal positions. Letting women play leader just to make people feel good damages our society in the long run, because a woman won't do as well in that position as a man would've done.

[WritingANovel]

Originally Posted by Bum Wax

If unrestrained men resort to dishing out beatings and rapes to women perhaps it's best that they are treated more harshly by law when it comes to matters of sex and marriage

a truly developed society would remove any natural dominance by social balancing in order to give each and every citizen the fairest and most equal chance of success

omfg bummie your back!!!!!!!!!!!!!

____Stop_____Women's_____Sufferage____

this acolyte's got the right idea finally something fuckin interesting do you know how many lesbians secretly hate guys i mean honestly there is so much predetermination in divorces that favors mothers even if unsuitable and shit i mean wtf

[subri]

It is completely true about how women are just as slobish, if you will, as men are.

my grandmother learned this the hard way when she only excepted women into her apartment building after being fed up with all the male slobs. the only thing was that the women she accepted in were far worse than the men and she had to kick most of them out. In conclusion she learned her lesson and not accepts just as many men as women.

It is a classic case of stereotypes and it will never go away until people start taking care of the shit they rent.

Originally Posted by DerDrache

Also: I certainly see the parallels this has with "reverse racism", though I'd say the situation with reverse sexism is much worse. While minorities will often be favored for jobs or admissions, it isn't as though they are given more rights than whites.

Aboriginals over here in aust are certainly given more government handouts and general attention then anyone else. Aside from that youre talking a rather large amount of sense.

There are derogatory terms for white people, too. The local wigger population where I live is annoying large. They seem to like stealing cars and bikes, too. (For reference, my personal view on dark-skinned people is that there are black people, and then there are niggers. Similarly with white people and whomever else.)

And Bum Wax seems to be living up to his name. I'm sensing a pattern, what with the not-very-thought-out responses complete with a bold bit in the second paragraph.