"There is nothing wrong with being gay."

[flat_head_screwdriver]

I hear people say this all the time. But is there?
To me, there is something wrong with a person who is gay. They have something wrong with their heads, because of the simple fact that being attracted to the same sex does not promote procreation. I think it's a psychological disease.
Discuss.

Obviously being gay is disgusting, unhealthy, unnatural, and against the law of God.

[The Methematician]

the only disgusting thing about being gay is when my boyfriend suggests that I eat him.....

ewww.... the after taste...

[aLn]

I think homosexuality is a type of deformity. I do not believe it natural and I think there were a combination of factors that played in causing that person to become homosexual.

I don't buy the liberal "homosexual is completely natural" "BE PROUD" "there are straight babys and there are gay babys" crap. That is just feel-good bullshit.

I think each homosexual is the way they are because of a combination of factors unique to that person. Some people may be homosexual because of a hormonal imbalance and the effect of some early childhood experiences. Some people may be homosexual strictly based on events in their formative years. Others could be homosexual strictly because of some genetic abnormality.

Just because they are wrong in that sense, does not mean they do not belong. If they believe the best thing for them is dick, then it's fine if it makes them happy. There really should not be any right or wrong as far as sexuality goes. I think imposing any kind barrier based on what that person finds naturally sexually attractive (except fucking pedos, of course) is a recipe for lots of trouble. Kind of like how forcing priests to go celibate makes them diddle little kids.

if a diseased person isnt harming me, then i dont worry about them

Obviously a disease, and somewhat harmless at that. It shouldnt be treated with shame, no disease is cured that way.

But until we find a cure, or what causes it, you really can't stop them from indulging themselves. They have as much a right to sexual pleasure as straight people. But, yea, not really something that should be celebrated.

The idea that sex is only for procreation is ridiculous. People have sex all the time just because they want to get off. There is something wrong with gays, but not on a procreation basis, but on the basis that they only have sex with other gays. For me it's find a hole and put it in, you always get the same affect. If for some reason they can't get off on the opposing sex, now that's a problem. So yes their is something wrong with gays, they are inept.

[KikoSanchez]

There isn't anything wrong with it and I am yet to hear an argument as to why. It's no more "wrong" than being left-handed, autistic, or a chronically depressed person. Is it a minority of people? Yes, but that is arbitrary. Does it not lead to procreation? No, but again that is arbitrary. For people that say it's a choice, I behoove you to remember when you decided to like blondes over brunettes, or skinny girls over fat ones, or the opposite sex over your own sex. But even this is a moot point, whether it's a choice or not, because there is the underlying premise that it is inherently wrong, but that if they don't choose it, then they can't be "blamed" for it - this premise I wholeheartedly disagree with. Really, what is wrong with 2 girls having sex or 2 men having sex? It brings pleasure, not pain. It brings happiness, not suffering. On the other hand, society isolating/alienating people because of their sexuality does bring suffering.

P.S. save your time if you're about to reply with "it's wrong because it's unnatural" because you will get a swift reply leading you to a wikipedia article explaining the naturalistic fallacy.

Being gay is someone's personal business. Get out of it.

[The Return]

Originally Posted by the soft skeleton

Being gay is someone's personal business. Get out of it.

Having sex with my horny dog is my own personal business. Get out of it.

[dagnabitt]

I think there is far more evil in morally judging others than consensual sex of any sort.

Mind your own fucking business and leave people alone as long as they're not hurting other people. Not everyone has to be the same as you to be good. I'd take a fudge-packing, dress wearing circus freak over some pseudo-christian moralist any day.

And procreation? So your saying your against birth control and masturbation as well. Remember that next time you pull your pud, you deviation of normalcy. Great way to live. Bravo.

Science has traced an area in the brain to sexual orientation. I forget what it is. I'm too lazy/drunk to look it up right now.

[dagnabitt]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suprachiasmatic_nucleus

But again. Its a moot point. The real issue is people leaving other people alone to live there lives. The nature, nurture debate is irrelevant

[KikoSanchez]

Originally Posted by dagnabitt

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suprachiasmatic_nucleus

But again. Its a moot point. The real issue is people leaving other people alone to live there lives. The nature, nurture debate is irrelevant

I completely agree the nature/nurture debate is a moot point, but I think this thread is more about the morality of homosexuality rather than what should be allowed in society/made illegal by the gov't. Of course, these things tend to often be connected, but aren't inherently so.

i think people are gay for different reasons. like my friend is gay and he told me he loves to be the dominated one meaning fucked in the ass

People who hate gays just have a severe case of tribalism.

They don't hurt anyone, they don't do anything wrong, who the fuck cares then?

[KikoSanchez]

Originally Posted by elementX

lolfag

Please move yourself and your content-less posts to HB or SG with all the other kidiots.

[The Return]

^ fag alert

[KikoSanchez]

Originally Posted by The Return

^ fag alert

You too, back to HB or /b where you belong new member. This is why registration should be closed.

[The Return]

You joined more than four years ago and you have 205 page visits. I joined a couple days ago and I have 120. How about you go to 4chan? A homosexual like yourself would have a much easier time on a forum that is anonymous.

Isn't the current theory that it's caused by hormonal imbalances in the womb? Since statistics show that you're far more likely to be gay if you have an older brother, regardless of whether you grew up with him.

But like has been said, it doesn't matter. Something being 'unnatural' isn't a valid reason to prohibit it.

On the other hand, I can't think of a basis to say that the indignation someone feels at two men having sex is any more valid than what people feel when someone kills a cute little animal for no reason.

[dagnabitt]

Originally Posted by ChickenOfDoom

On the other hand, I can't think of a basis to say that the indignation someone feels at two men having sex is any more valid than what people feel when someone kills a cute little animal for no reason.

There is no supernatural (metaphysical) justification for how we should feel about things. Appeal to some abstract moral law to justify prejudice and contempt is little more than dogmatic. if we are to be ethical humans in any regard, humans need to focus on empathy alone to determine right and wrong. Harm is a legitimate basis for care, so to speak. In this regard the empathy experienced when we witness the torture of or harm to another sentient creature is sufficient to justify prejudice and reaction. We need not appeal to a greater reasoning to legitimize our feelings, we can simply relate. We can all relate to harm, and normally (hopefully) have some sense of right and wrong when others are being harmed, even if this is not a concrete conclusion at the end of a syllogism. Empathy is not a law, but, equivocally, is a justification to care, for those who need one. That is, lack of metaphysics does not mean humanity is extinguished, only that good and evil take on less concrete forms.

There is a difference between real harm, and "moral" harm, which appeals to some explanation or authority for its legitimacy. Homosexuality is condemned in principle alone, by assholes that put too much stock in principles, and their own egos. Its no longer what is harmful for these people, but simply what is different. That is the real evil - assuming a world of individuals should fit some egocentric mold - with penalty of harm to those who dont.

An animal suffering needlessly is a blatant evil, as far as I'm concerned. There is a victim, clearly, and in that regard elicits a much stronger moral reaction than some abstract judgments about other peoples consensual sex lives.

Originally Posted by the soft skeleton

Being gay is someone's personal business. Get out of it.

That's the way I see it, though I hope gay pride and stuff can come to an end soon, just like straightness doesn't need to be flaunted, neither does gay pride. That being said Mardi gras can be a good laugh though.

[DerDrache]

While you could argue that it's a dysfunction, it is undeniably natural. There is even evidence that it has a biological, altruistic advantage, in that it seems to become more frequent in overcrowded populations (shown in rat studies).

If you have a particular qualm with gay culture, or gay political/social issues, feel free to discuss them. If you simply don't like homosexual sex, then don't have it, and keep it to yourself.

/Thread.

Their is something wrong, these people have an unfortunate biological or psychological problem which cannot be corrected. Nonetheless since it is not harmful nothing needs to be done, unlike pedophilia.

The way i see it... with overpopulation, and people evolving, gay is gonna be the new hetero.

I hope so at least... amongst men


less competition

[DerDrache]

Originally Posted by dark-easterbunny

The way i see it... with overpopulation, and people evolving, gay is gonna be the new hetero.

I hope so at least... amongst men


less competition

Yeah, that would be pretty awesome. Too bad it will take many, many generations.

Maybe when we're 70 we'll get to fuck hot young girls because all of the guys their age will be queer.

[static_void]

I'm sure this subject has been exhausted... but being homosexual is as natural as rain. It has always existed in every civilization. The only reason any part of gay culture may be considered "destructive" is that society has made these people feel like they are doing something wrong; an abomination to God. And yes, homosexuality is actually good for modern society -- I really don't care to live in a world with 9 billion humans when I'm 61.

Originally Posted by static_void

I'm sure this subject has been exhausted... but being homosexual is as natural as rain. It has always existed in every civilization. The only reason any part of gay culture may be considered "destructive" is that society has made these people feel like they are doing something wrong; an abomination to God. And yes, homosexuality is actually good for modern society -- I really don't care to live in a world with 9 billion humans when I'm 61.

^^^THAT. In Spartan society, homosexuality was MANDATORY among both men and women. Homosexuality has been recorded in biblical times, Greece, Rome, etc etc.

Alexander The Great, Da Vinci, Caligula, Lord Byron, Walt Whitman, John Cage, Liberaci, King Edward II, Leonard Bernstein, Hadrian, Frida Khalo, Ian McKellan, Ralph Waldo Emerson, Judy Garland, and probably a million other important people in history and culture are/were gay or bisexual.

[DerDrache]

Originally Posted by ReclaimPublicSpace

^^^THAT. In Spartan society, homosexuality was MANDATORY among both men and women. Homosexuality has been recorded in biblical times, Greece, Rome, etc etc.

Alexander The Great, Da Vinci, Caligula, Lord Byron, Walt Whitman, John Cage, Liberaci, King Edward II, Leonard Bernstein, Hadrian, Frida Khalo, Ian McKellan, Ralph Waldo Emerson, Judy Garland, and probably a million other important people in history and culture are/were gay or bisexual.

They were also down with pedophilia. It's funny how times and cultures change. I blame the Puritans, and by extension, the British.

EDIT: Not that I like pedophilia or homosexuality.

:slowly backs out of room:

If homosexuality's genetic, then eventually they'll get equivalent civil rights. If it's a choice, well... can't stop people from making choices.

I stick to my original point: homosexuality is WRONG because it is against the NORM.

The "norm" is not static.

If the norm were men wearing ladies' panties, wearing boxers would be taboo. In ten years, wearing boxers could become the norm.

Society's standards of normalty change with the wind.

[nshanin]

Originally Posted by Steal_Everything8

I stick to my original point: homosexuality is WRONG because it is against the NORM.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kohlber...al_development

I do believe totse has a 12 and over rule.

I'm 18, dumbfuck. What I was saying was pretty much a summary of cultural relativism. Look it up.

Welsh, you are exactly right, the norm does change, and if it were the norm for guys to wear what we now consider ladies panties, then most guys would. Don't be so closed minded. Look out of the scope of your own culture.

There's no such thing as right or wrong, there's just public opinion.

Originally Posted by aTribeCalledSean

oh?

Like pale skin...

And Left-handedness...

Hitler was left handed.

[Slave of the Beast]

Originally Posted by Steal_Everything8

So they partly find the male smell attractive. Just because you like the way dudes smell, doesn't mean you're gay. When I LOOK at girls, I find them attractive. It can be from well out of smell range. When homosexuals LOOK at the same sex, they get attracted to them, not solely by smell.

I stick to my original point: homosexuality is WRONG because it is against the NORM.

Sympathetic stimulation; sight could induce sexual attraction because of the sights association with the smell. So a guy could look attractive, but what you're really lusting after is the effect his musty cock has on your brain.

Just a thought.