The Origins of Religion, Magic Mushrooms, and The Dawn of Civilization: The Box Set

[Obbe]

Here are some interesting videos on the origins of religion, the dawn of civilization and the role of drug use in it all. Some may contain conflicting information; decide for yourself what to make of it all:


The Pharmacratic Inquisition

Sun of God?


The Origins of Religion


Mushroom Jesus Teonanacatl Maria Sabina


why was Jesus a magic mushroom?

John Allegro Vs Gordon Wasson

Terence McKenna on his Stoned Ape Theory

Bread of Life Christ Mushroom

Enjoy!

There are many more videos on this subject out there. Feel free to post more.

New videos:

DMT the Spirit Molecule Tryptamine of Jesus

Mushrooms and Spirituality

Ingesting Magic Mushrooms has Long Lasting Positive Effects!

Mushroom Philosophy Presents "My Religion"

The Impact of Mushrooms on Mankind Pt 1

The Impact of Mushrooms on Mankind Pt 2

The Impact of Mushrooms on Mankind Pt 3

The Impact of Mushrooms on Mankind Pt 4

The Impact of Mushrooms on Mankind Pt 5

The Impact of Mushrooms on Mankind Pt 6

The Impact of Mushrooms on Mankind Pt 7

The Impact of Mushrooms on Mankind Pt 8

The Impact of Mushrooms on Mankind Pt 9

The Impact of Mushrooms on Mankind Pt 10

The Impact of Mushrooms on Mankind Pt 11

The Impact of Mushrooms on Mankind Pt 12

[Obbe]

Another good one with lots of info:

Psilocybin Mushroom research by Johns Hokins Medicine

[Obbe]

Another with no mushroom info:

True Origin Of The Christian Myth: Paganism

[Obbe]

Here's another one that is particularly interesting:

Manna Means Mushroom--Proof is the Worms!

[Obbe]

Here's another one - this time, not created by a handicapped hippie:

secret of magic mushroom and moses

[Obbe]

McKenna on psilocybin and language development:


Language of Psilocybin

This is particularly interesting considering the conclusions of Julian Jaynes about the role of language in consciousness formation - not to mention hallucinations.

More on that in this thread. But please mind the tolls.

[Obbe]

WHO ARE WE?

[Obbe]

Another one:

Manna - psilocybin mushroom documentary

[killallthewhiteman]

Following the general theme.

http:../../www.youtube.com/watch@v=n2zsrajjje8

[Obbe]

That doesn't follow the general theme. It belongs in another forum.

Please only post videos about the origins of religion, mushrooms, and the dawn of civilization.

[Rory]

Originally Posted by Obbe

That doesn't follow the general theme. It belongs in another forum.

Please only post videos about the origins of religion, mushrooms, and the dawn of civilization.

Next time, please consolidate your posts into one using the 'edit' function.

Interesting stuff, though. Thanks.

[Rizzo in a box]

shrooms!

[Obbe]

Originally Posted by Rory

Next time, please consolidate your posts into one using the 'edit' function.

Interesting stuff, though. Thanks.

Don't know why I didn't think of that, but thanks. Any new videos I come across will be edited into the OP from this point on.

[BrokeProphet]

How does one hallucinate, when their world consists of illusions already?

[Obbe]

Originally Posted by BrokeProphet

How does one hallucinate, when their world consists of illusions already?

It would depend on what this person considers real.

If you are suggesting that hallucinations are impossible because the "real world" is only an illusion, I would question how you know what is an illusion and what is not.

[BrokeProphet]

Originally Posted by Obbe

If you are suggesting that hallucinations are impossible because the "real world" is only an illusion, I would question how you know what is an illusion and what is not.

It is your philosophy Obbe, and it is quite simple.

The only thing a person can know is they exist, or I AM.

You puked this idea on here for a year. Derailed many a thread with it, and regressed back to this childish notion, anytime your ass was handed to you in an argument.

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So tell me, how a person can hallucinate after taking an illusionary mushroom, and putting it in ther illusionary mouth, and having it affect their illusionary brain.

[Obbe]

Originally Posted by BrokeProphet

It is your philosophy Obbe, and it is quite simple.

This is your own: Be a dick to everyone who finds reason where I do not.

Originally Posted by BrokeProphet

So tell me, how a person can hallucinate after taking an illusionary mushroom, and putting it in ther illusionary mouth, and having it affect their illusionary brain.

I can only speculate, that within this apparently illusory reality, this illusory person would have illusory hallucinations.

You (once again) misinterpret what I have meant in past threads by calling reality an illusion.

[nshanin]

Real hallucinations are not to be had.

[Rizzo in a box]

only the mind hallucinates

[nshanin]

Originally Posted by Rizzo in a box

only the mind hallucinates

Do animals hallucinate, rizzo?

[Rizzo in a box]

Originally Posted by nshanin

Do animals hallucinate, rizzo?

this is a trick question

[Vanhalla]

Originally Posted by Obbe

McKenna on psilocybin and language development:


Language of Psilocybin

This is particularly interesting considering the conclusions of Julian Jaynes about the role of language in consciousness formation - not to mention hallucinations.

More on that in this thread. But please mind the tolls.

This seems relevent, I don't remember if he goes into ethneogens or not (he probably does):
Huxley on Language

[nshanin]

Originally Posted by Rizzo in a box

this is a trick question

In what way?

[BrokeProphet]

Originally Posted by Obbe

I can only speculate, that within this apparently illusory reality, this illusory person would have illusory hallucinations.

Again

Either you don't believe the bullshit you have stated on here time and time again.

Or you do believe it and are wasting your time with this thread.

Originally Posted by Obbe

You (once again) misinterpret what I have meant in past threads by calling reality an illusion.

Tell us what you meant for the past year, asserting all that can be known is I AM, making everything else an illusion.

EDIT:

"And really, is there an objective reality?"

"Certainly, but are you able to verify what is real and not?"

"You made it quite clear that you believe the monitor is objectively real based on your subjective perception of it existing. Unfortunately that does not mean you have confirmed it does."

These nuggets and more found here http://www.totse.com/community/showt...2138683&page=2

That is just one random post I found by clicking on your show all post, and going to the last page. I can post A TON more of the SAME BULLSHIT idea you have been puking on here for the past year, if you like.

[nshanin]

Originally Posted by BrokeProphet

Again

Either you don't believe the bullshit you have stated on here time and time again.

Or you do believe it and are wasting your time with this thread.

You (once again) misinterpret what I have meant in past threads by calling reality an illusion.

Do you have to believe the arguments you make? Have you never argued for the sake of it, BP?

[BrokeProphet]

Originally Posted by nshanin

Do you have to believe the arguments you make? Have you never argued for the sake of it, BP?

Sure, I have assumed there was a God to make an argument, and contended things, just for the sake of argument.

What I have not done, is seriously suggest "Nothing can be known", insert myself into a discussion just to trollishly puke that off topic, unfalsifiable bit of derailing horseshit, or argue a point until that is my last refuge, so I don't have to admit I am wrong.

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Why concern yourself with it?

[nshanin]

Originally Posted by BrokeProphet

Sure, I have assumed there was a God to make an argument, and contended things, just for the sake of argument.

What I have not done, is seriously suggest "Nothing can be known", insert myself into a discussion just to trollishly puke that off topic, unfalsifiable bit of derailing horseshit, or argue a point until that is my last refuge, so I don't have to admit I am wrong.

An argument is an argument and must be addressed regardless of its source. Do you agree?

[BrokeProphet]

Originally Posted by nshanin

An argument is an argument and must be addressed regardless of its source. Do you agree?

I agree, which is why I am not arguing with his OP, could care less.

I asked a simple question regarding his apparent hypocrisy and contradiction, he has yet to answer beyond stamping his foot, calling me a troll, and taking his ball and going home.

I ask again, how and why is this any of your concern?

[nshanin]

Originally Posted by BrokeProphet

I ask again, how and why is this any of your concern?

Just curious.

[Vanhalla]

Originally Posted by BrokeProphet

How does one hallucinate, when their world consists of illusions already?

Originally Posted by Obbe

It would depend on what this person considers real. Ifyou are suggesting that hallucinations are impossible because the "real world" is only an illusion, I would question how you know what is an illusion and what is not.

It appears that part of what is being said here is that what one considers to be the “real world” can be a vastly dfferent experience than what one would consider the “otherworld”. Assuming that the so called “real world” is an illusion, the capability for there to be an hallucination within The Hallucination would not only follow suit, but would seem to be a highly probable outcome.

One must remember the story of the drinking gorilla and the five dancing donkeys.

The morrel of which being:

Looks can be deceiving.

Originally Posted by BrokeProphet

So tell me, how a person can hallucinate after taking an illusionary mushroom, and putting it in ther illusionary mouth, and having it affect their illusionary brain.

Because it’s all an illusion.
Or as Obbe said:

Originally Posted by Obbe

I can only speculate, that within this apparently illusory reality, this illusory person would have illusory hallucinations

You (once again) misinterpret what I have meant in past threads by calling reality an illusion.

Originally Posted by BrokeProphet

Again

Either you don't believe the bullshit you have stated on here time and time again

Or you do believe it and are wasting your time with this thread.

Nothing in this thread suggests that he doesn’t believe what he has stated.

If he does believe it’s all an illusion (including time), than spenng his illusion one way or another way can only be considered wasted by Obbe.

[nshanin]

[Obbe]

Originally Posted by Vanhalla

I disagree with what I believe you are saying.
I think it is more like this:

http://complexity.orconhosting.net.nz/intro.html

"Life is caught in the tension between order and chaos. If there is too much order, everything becomes the same and there is no room for creativity or anything new. Everything must fit the one pattern. If there is too much chaos nothing can last long enough to create anything useful; everything is just a jumble that destroys everything before it can get started. Between order and chaos is found the Edge of Chaos, the point where there is enough chaos for novelty and creativity, but also enough order for consistency and patterns to endure. This point is a magic point, where new and unimagined properties can emerge."

Apparently I am forbidden from seeing the either of those websites.

I think I understand what you are saying. Yin and Yang, the great mother and the great father, the opposites. I really agree with it, it makes a lot of sense to me.

However, I still see order as "coming forth" from chaos. I still see it as a creation of the other. Someone created the concept of Yin and Yang, they created that order. Just as I am creating an order with my own words. Beneath these creations I believe there is only chaos.

I agree that life is caught between the two. But I also believe that order comes from chaos, and not vice versa. Maybe I am wrong, but I also believe that's meaningless, as right and wrong are creations as well.

[Vanhalla]

Originally Posted by Obbe

Apparently I am forbidden from seeing the either of those websites.

I think I understand what you are saying. Yin and Yang, the great mother and the great father, the opposites. I really agree with it, it makes a lot of sense to me.

However, I still see order as "coming forth" from chaos. I still see it as a creation of the other. Someone created the concept of Yin and Yang, they created that order. Just as I am creating an order with my own words. Beneath these creations I believe there is only chaos.

I agree that life is caught between the two. But I also believe that order comes from chaos, and not vice versa. Maybe I am wrong, but I also believe that's meaningless, as right and wrong are creations as well.

It's working for me, try googling "chaos theory and complexity theory".

I see what yr saying now.
Although order will naturally arise from chaos, it will always fall back into that whence it came. The order is like a bubble in the bath tub, eventually it will pop and return once again to the chaos of the water. Of course we cannot accurately give an example because all that we know is on the edge of chaos. But the example can allow your mind to go beyond the mind.

That which is, before and after (illogical infinity), and contains within it the speck of the logical finite, could be said to be Reality. Even if it doesn't make any sense.

[Obbe]

Originally Posted by Vanhalla

The order is like a bubble in the bath tub, eventually it will pop and return once again to the chaos of the water.

That's what I am saying, yes.

Those sites are working for me now, don't know why not earlier.