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2008-11-28, 22:45

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Non-tobacco filler for joints

So everyone 'round here rolls their joints with tobacco for even burning etc, but tbh I'd rather not due to the addictiveness/health effects/smell etc etc , wondering if there's any other good 'fillers' to use in joints that'd keep it burning evenly etc and that wouldn't taste too bad and without too many bad health effects/smell etc ..

2008-11-28, 23:04

TetrisHydraCanOfBeanOil TetrisHydraCanOfBeanOil is offline

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Re: Non-tobacco filler for joints

Yeah, weed. works great for me.

No but on a serious note just use better paper if you want it to burn better... shit you can use printer paper if you roll it good enough.

2008-11-28, 23:51

Irregular

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Re: Non-tobacco filler for joints

umm... more weed?

2008-11-29, 01:24

The Doc

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Re: Non-tobacco filler for joints

If you have access to a grow, use some of the big fan leaves once they are dry.
Makes the joint burn the same as if you added tobacco, without the taste/smell.

Peace.

2008-11-29, 03:05

556

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Re: Non-tobacco filler for joints

umm... more weed?

my thoughts exactly.

to make the shit run slower, put jelly or honey on the outside of the thing after you've rolled it, or just get it real damp with your spit.

when i roll blunts i roll it, let it dry/microwave it for 2 seconds to dry it then lick the fuck out of it again so it burns slow.

2008-11-29, 03:36

ThetaReactor ThetaReactor is offline

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Re: Non-tobacco filler for joints

Catnip and green tea. Ibuprofen if you're hardcore.

2008-11-29, 04:23

fux0rz

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if your joints are loose add more weed. Generally I run a flame over joints before I smoke them, it tightens the paper around the greens, i assume by heating the air pockets inside and causing them to expand out the ass of the joint. try it :D

2008-11-29, 04:45

absolutecaliber absolutecaliber is offline

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In all serious I know a couple in Europe who roll moist mint with hash in their spliffs.

Keep the addictiveness off tobacco out while still flyin' high with a cool, fresh aftertaste too!

Spearmint was the other herb of choice, (the other being weed, of course).

2008-11-29, 05:12

556

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anyone who rolls weed with tobacco is a nasty piece of shit who doesn't deserve the beauty that is a joint/blunt. seriously i could rant for days about how much i despise people who roll that shit. notice how i am targeting the people themselves, not even the nasty fucking joint/blunt itself.. thats how much i fucking hate that combination. you are a piece of shit by default, no further questions if that is how you roll a blunt. i dont care if you are fucking barack obama (couldn't think of anyone who is universally "cool") you are automatic faggot in my book.

a long rant nothing beats a $30 shot of h and a 6 pack of beer (6 beers doesn't get me drunk unless i am on a bunch of dope so allow me to brace for the dicksizing contest and shit talking 12 year olds that ensue)

#10

2008-11-29, 06:27

enjoyur1life enjoyur1life is offline

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Re: Non-tobacco filler for joints

mint leaves

#11

2008-11-29, 06:34

VinMetal666 VinMetal666 is offline

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More marijuana obviously. Who the fuck puts tobacco in their shit? Smoke a cig afterwards if you want some tobacco, damn.

#12

2008-11-29, 07:29

Aerogone

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Re: Non-tobacco filler for joints

you can use damiana leaves... they work great. But keep em in an air tight sterile jar.

Moisten em a bit before you roll... but they never really dry out, the little hairs on the leaves help the damiana "coagulate".

And the smoke is not bad, not as nasty as tobacco.

And if you are a non smoker, the fact that tobacco won't sky rock your tolerance, is a plus.

#13

2008-11-29, 11:38

XeNobiTe

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Re: Non-tobacco filler for joints

Quote:

Originally Posted by 556

#14

2008-11-29, 12:49

krs-93

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Re: Non-tobacco filler for joints

weed and only weed

#15

2008-11-29, 14:21

949884573

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You're obviously someone who knows fuck all about rolling a joint. A joint that's only weed is a huge fucking waste. Waste of weed, waste of money, waste of high, waste of everything. If you don't like tobacco, use mint as others have suggested. However, I would not advise that. Smoking mint is god awful. Just stick to good tobacco. If you don't like tobacco, then don't smoke joints. It's that simple.

Blunts on the other hand are a waste all together and are only smoked by niggers who think bigger/more = better.

But then again, I guess this an American thing. No one here rolls their joints with only weed. Unless they're a dumb ass.

Tobacco is nasty dude. I don't know why people don't just roll skinny joints if they think they're wasting it by rolling a normal sized joint with nothing but weed in it. What's really wasteful, is when you sit there with the tobacco constantly burning in the spliff, it's also wasting some of your weed by burning some of the weed too. You wanna talk about wasteful, well that's wasteful.

Real joints are the least wasteful, but none of you seem to be capable of rolling them if you're going to mix tobacco and other nasty crap in them.

Why do people want their joint to burn constantly? That's just so dumb. But if you really do, you can use weed from the roach cause it'll be sticky and burn more constantly, and also adjusting the ratio of fresh weed to dry weed in the mix would make it burn constantly and plus you get more terpenes. Many people are too retarded to realize this though.

When I say roach, I don't mean anything with cardboard in it. Our roaches in the US are just the end of the joint that had nothing in it but weed.

#16

2008-11-29, 15:04

XeNobiTe

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Tobacco is nasty dude. I don't know why people don't just roll skinny joints if they think they're wasting it by rolling a normal sized joint with nothing but weed in it. What's really wasteful, is when you sit there with the tobacco constantly burning in the spliff, it's also wasting some of your weed by burning some of the weed too. You wanna talk about wasteful, well that's wasteful.

Real joints are the least wasteful, but none of you seem to be capable of rolling them if you're going to mix tobacco and other nasty crap in them.

Why do people want their joint to burn constantly? That's just so dumb. But if you really do, you can use weed from the roach cause it'll be sticky and burn more constantly, and also adjusting the ratio of fresh weed to dry weed in the mix would make it burn constantly and plus you get more terpenes. Many people are too retarded to realize this though.

When I say roach, I don't mean anything with cardboard in it. Our roaches in the US are just the end of the joint that had nothing in it but weed.

Clearly you have no fucking idea what you're talking about. "We people" don't want our joints to burn constantly. If you don't toke, they go out. Unless you're a dumbass and are using the wrong rolling papers. What you put in it doesn't determine if it burns or not. The paper takes care of that.

It is a proven fact that people who roll all weed joints

a) don't know what the fuck they're doing.

b) are smoking horrible weed.

c) don't know what the fuck they're doing.

You'd be amazed by how little weed you really need to get high if you roll and toke properly. Otherwise, just stick with bongs.

#17

2008-11-29, 15:55

949884573

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Clearly you have no fucking idea what you're talking about. "We people" don't want our joints to burn constantly. If you don't toke, they go out. Unless you're a dumbass and are using the wrong rolling papers. What you put in it doesn't determine if it burns or not. The paper takes care of that.

It is a proven fact that people who roll all weed joints

a) don't know what the fuck they're doing.

b) are smoking horrible weed.

c) don't know what the fuck they're doing.

You'd be amazed by how little weed you really need to get high if you roll and toke properly. Otherwise, just stick with bongs.
I think if you had better weed you wouldn't want tobacco in it. You say you don't put tobacco in to help it burn, although every european I've talked to said this is their reason for adding tobacco. Yet you don't explain what the purpose is beyond "Waste of weed, waste of money, waste of high, waste of everything." which I've already proven to be incorrect.

I think you just put tobacco in it because you're a fancy lad. Nothing wrong with being fancy, really. But I'm not fancy so I'll stick to joints and a pipe. Snoopy, get better weed and you'll know what I'm talking about. I think you buy the commercial shit. I don't care if you're buying it in netherlands, you can do better if you still want to put tobacco in it. A lot of people from the US and canada are disappointed by the netherlands weed because it's grown commercially mostly.

You can argue with bullshittery but I'll argue with science and win every time. The same amount you put in a joint with tobacco can be put into the paper without tobacco and smoke perfectly fine. Unless you're really just smoking it for the tobacco. If you're not using enough weed to roll a joint, even a very skinny joint, then use a pipe instead. There's no good reason for all that nasty tobacco. No justification for it. Adding tobacco is more wasteful obviously.

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2008-11-29, 16:11

XeNobiTe

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I think if you had better weed you wouldn't want tobacco in it. You say you don't put tobacco in to help it burn, although every european I've talked to said this is their reason for adding tobacco. Yet you don't explain what the purpose is beyond "Waste of weed, waste of money, waste of high, waste of everything." which I've already proven to be incorrect.

I think you just put tobacco in it because you're a fancy lad. Nothing wrong with being fancy, really. But I'm not fancy so I'll stick to joints and a pipe. Snoopy, get better weed and you'll know what I'm talking about. I think you buy the commercial shit. I don't care if you're buying it in netherlands, you can do better if you still want to put tobacco in it. A lot of people from the US and canada are disappointed by the netherlands weed because it's grown commercially mostly.

You can argue with bullshittery but I'll argue with science and win every time. The same amount you put in a joint with tobacco can be put into the paper without tobacco and smoke perfectly fine. Unless you're really just smoking it for the tobacco. If you're not using enough weed to roll a joint, even a very skinny joint, then use a pipe instead. There's no good reason for all that nasty tobacco. No justification for it. Adding tobacco is more wasteful obviously.

You're confusing the burning of the paper with the burning blend of the whole thing... but then again:

Commercially grown weed....
Burning an excessive amount of weed isn't a waste...
ur weed sux
I'll argue with science...
u add tobasco cuz ur weed is crap

Yeah...

Go troll someone else, dipshit.

Fact stands; if you roll a joint with nothing but weed, you're wasting at least 50% of the stuff you put in it. Sure, we all do this from time to time as the smoking culture is more than just getting buzzed. Inventing new smoking devices and rolling bigger and crazier joints/blunts is part of the social aspect of smoking. However, if I feel like burning money I'll just go back to smoking heroin.

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2008-11-29, 17:22

949884573

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You're confusing the burning of the paper with the burning blend of the whole thing... but then again:

Commercially grown weed....
Burning an excessive amount of weed isn't a waste...
ur weed sux
I'll argue with science...
u add tobasco cuz ur weed is crap

Yeah...

Go troll someone else, dipshit.

Fact stands; if you roll a joint with nothing but weed, you're wasting at least 50% of the stuff you put in it.

It's not a fact unless you can explain it. Potency of the weed isn't going to stop someone from smoking the whole joint if their tolerance is up. People can decide how much they want to smoke. But a joint that has no tobacco and is a regular size just means you're less likely to smoke it as fast as usual.

Tobacco has a nasty taste and it does nothing for the high. It doesn't enhance it unless you like tobacco, but that's really just the flavor. You can consume the same amount of cannabinoids and terpenes either way, with the tobacco or without it. There is no wasting it. It's all the same, except tobacco fucks up the flavor unless you enjoy tobacco flavor, and so it's kind of a waste to anyone that isn't a fan of tobacco.

Hopefully one day you'll have more money and not feel that you're wasting your weed if you don't put tobacco in it. I know you were complaining about your lungs being bad at one point, and this isn't the first time you've complained about not having enough money. So why add tobacco? Why not just roll smaller joints, or roll one a normal size and just have some will power and not smoke too much? It'd help your lungs and it's not going to waste money. I'm not trolling either and I think that's obvious. Dunno why you're saying it is, you know you can't troll me with these methods.

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2008-11-29, 17:43

XeNobiTe

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It's not a fact unless you can explain it. Potency of the weed isn't going to stop someone from smoking the whole joint if their tolerance is up. People can decide how much they want to smoke. But a joint that has no tobacco and is a regular size just means you're less likely to smoke it as fast as usual.

Tobacco has a nasty taste and it does nothing for the high. It doesn't enhance it unless you like tobacco, but that's really just the flavor. You can consume the same amount of cannabinoids and terpenes either way, with the tobacco or without it. There is no wasting it. It's all the same, except tobacco fucks up the flavor unless you enjoy tobacco flavor, and so it's kind of a waste to anyone that isn't a fan of tobacco.

Hopefully one day you'll have more money and not feel that you're wasting your weed if you don't put tobacco in it. I know you were complaining about your lungs being bad at one point, and this isn't the first time you've complained about not having enough money. So why add tobacco? Why not just roll smaller joints, or roll one a normal size and just have some will power and not smoke too much? It'd help your lungs and it's not going to waste money. I'm not trolling either and I think that's obvious. Dunno why you're saying it is, you know you can't troll me with these methods.

Tobacco indeed does nothing extra for your high. No one ever said that. The reason you roll your joints with tobacco is

a) to not waste weed.

b) to even out the burning process (not waste weed again)

c) makes you smoking more pleasant ie. flavor, joint doesn't get too hot, etc.

In other words, smoking a joint with tobacco is always more pleasant and gets the job done just as well with half the weed. You don't have to worry about tasting the tobacco. Weed has a far more potent flavor and smell than tobacco and will dominate it. What tobacco will do is add more blend to your smoke and make the whole smoking process more pleasant.

You probably have never smoked a properly rolled joint with tobacco so you're talking out of your ass. I'll illustrate my point with smoking weed in a hookah.

If you just plain smoke weed in your hookah, you'll need a ton of it to actually feel anything. Mixing the hookah tobacco (which comes in a buttload of exotic flavors) with weed however, will make your smoking experience much better. You'll get high with far less weed than you'd need if not using tobacco and you'll get an awesome flavor from the mix of weed + the fruity hookah tobacco.

Not everyone likes this though. If you don't, stick to bongs and pipes. It's that simple.

The point of this whole inane conversation, is how morons constantly nag on people for rolling joints with tobacco. If it was pointless, why would so many people be doing it? In fact, I don't know anyone who rolls their joints without tobacco here.

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2008-11-29, 17:56

moby_dick

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Listen dumbfucks, America is the only place in the world where people put just weed in a rizzla with no roach and burn it. I know most Americans think their country constitutes the whole world, but try and realise that most of you are dumbasses and you don't know best about everything.

Jamaica? They use backy.
Amsterdam? They use backy.

It makes it burn so much nicer and makes the taste smoother, but you can't taste anything but weed as long as you don't use too much backy and roll it right. Anyone who's tried both and is unbiased will tell you that.

OP as for alternatives I'm afraid I don't know, but I've heard of people trying some of those legal high herbal mixes like spice.

#22

2008-11-29, 18:17

Stoned Snippy.. Stoned Snippy.. is offline

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I DONT WANT TOBACCO RUINING THE WEED TASTE! I roll my joints weed only, fat, tight and with a cardboard roach.

I smoke cigarettes all the time- I wanna taste the weed.

#23

2008-11-29, 19:17

949884573

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c) makes you smoking more pleasant ie. flavor, joint doesn't get too hot, etc.

It won't get too hot if it's properly cured. But I love giving people uncured weed so I can watch them cough. Teaches them to slow down.

In other words, smoking a joint with tobacco is always more pleasant and gets the job done just as well with half the weed. You don't have to worry about tasting the tobacco. Weed has a far more potent flavor and smell than tobacco and will dominate it. What tobacco will do is add more blend to your smoke and make the whole smoking process more pleasant.

You probably have never smoked a properly rolled joint with tobacco so you're talking out of your ass.

Tobacco is not for me. It's unhealthy and makes my lungs feel shitty. I'm not going to try it in a joint. I read that they banned it in coffee shops too, pretty funny.

I'll illustrate my point with smoking weed in a hookah.

If you just plain smoke weed in your hookah, you'll need a ton of it to actually feel anything. Mixing the hookah tobacco (which comes in a buttload of exotic flavors) with weed however, will make your smoking experience much better.

You'll get high with far less weed than you'd need if not using tobacco and you'll get an awesome flavor from the mix of weed + the fruity hookah tobacco.

In a way this could be true. Exotic flavors do interact with cannabinoids to enhance a high and make it stronger sometimes. But I don't think regular tobacco will do much. And you'd have to be into tobacco to really enjoy it. A lot of people won't even smoke it, or feel that it's dirty and would contaminate their weed and would prefer to smoke it on its own.

Some strains also don't go well with anything else because their flavor is extremely good but subtle and with an extremely good high. Mostly exotic sativas that I know of.

Not everyone likes this though. If you don't, stick to bongs and pipes. It's that simple.

I'll stick to pipes and joints without tobacco. The only reason I'd have a bong is just to have one.

If it was pointless, why would so many people be doing it?
It can't be because it's addictive.

Btw, properly cured and grown will be perfectly evenly burning.

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2008-11-29, 19:29

double dosed on sunshine double dosed on sunshine is offline

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Quote:

Originally Posted by moby_dick

#25

2008-11-29, 19:37

fretbuzz

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my thoughts exactly.

to make the shit run slower, put jelly or honey on the outside of the thing after you've rolled it, or just get it real damp with your spit.

when i roll blunts i roll it, let it dry/microwave it for 2 seconds to dry it then lick the fuck out of it again so it burns slow.

Why can't you just roll a proper blunt that doesn't run?

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2008-11-29, 20:00

949884573

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2008-11-29, 20:48

scovegner

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Only about 10% of Jamaicans identify with Rasta. Christianity is the most common religion there. There's only like a million rastas world-wide apparently.

Yep, rastafarianism is only one of the (many) sects of christianity .. they just think that some king from ethiopia was the second coming of christ or something ..

The mint idea certainly sounds interesting with the flavour etc it'd bring .. might have to experiment some time ..

#28

2008-11-29, 22:30

Punk_Rocker_22 Punk_Rocker_22 is offline

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joints waste weed

use a bowl.

#29

2008-11-29, 22:59

XeNobiTe

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*post*

A) You won't taste the tobacco in a joint. The flavor of the weed overwhelms the tobacco. Tobacco in itself won't make your lungs feel shitty. There is the issue of finding good quality tobacco though, so I can understand your point there. The tobacco they put in cigs is absolute trash and shouldn't come anywhere near a joint, let alone your lungs.

B) I'm not addicted to tobacco as I don't smoke cigs. I still put tobacco in joints. I rarely smoke weed nowadays but I guess one could say that there are health issues to smoking tobacco. However, believing weed is "healthier" than tobacco is a myth. Pretty much any form of smoke you inhale is a serious hazard to your health. But this discussion could go on and on.

C) Tobacco banned in coffeeshops? Perhaps smoking cigs, but that would be the first I've heard of it.

Punk_Rocker_22: yes, joints mostly are a waste of weed. That's why you need to roll them properly: using tobacco.

#30

2008-11-30, 00:16

Aerogone

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Tobacco indeed does nothing extra for your high. No one ever said that.

you are one dumb motherfucker.

The point of this whole inane conversation, is how morons constantly nag on people for rolling joints with tobacco.

Oh yup, you have em figured out there buddy.
If it was pointless, why would so many people be doing it? In fact, I don't know anyone who rolls their joints without tobacco here.

Because it is fucking addictive.... you fucking dick. Many people actually end up, unknowingly, craving the tobacco and not really the weed itself in the blunt/spliff.

And there are sure as fuck no other alternatives to using tobacco..... why don't you fucking scroll up a bit and read my post on on alternative filler.

#31

2008-11-30, 00:20

XeNobiTe

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you are one dumb motherfucker.

Because it is fucking addictive.... you fucking dick. Many people actually end up, unknowingly, craving the tobacco and not really the weed itself in the blunt/spliff.

And there are sure as fuck no other alternatives to using tobacco..... why don't you fucking scroll up a bit and read my post on on alternative filler.

You're an idiot. Get away from me you smelly hippy. Armslength distance or you're getting a knuckle sandwich to the throat.

#32

2008-11-30, 00:27

Pooter

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Menthol spliffs on LSD ftw. Just remember to get zigzag rollies if you try this tho... and definitely don't get the top.

#33

2008-11-30, 06:13

Punk_Rocker_22 Punk_Rocker_22 is offline

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Lets get some baseline things straight here:

1) Smoking a little bit of tobacco each day or two in your splif isn't going to get you addicted/cancer
2) Mixing in tobacco will affect your high. (Ever hear of a nicotine high? I think I've known that since I was 10)
3) Herbal cigarettes they make are just as bad (or worse) for you as regular cigarettes, look at cloves
4) Smoking anything is bad for your lungs. The health benefits of smoking mint instead of tobacco is nothing compared to the benefits of just vaporizing.
5) Smoking joints/blunts/spliffs is a waste of weed. Get a bowl, bong, or one hitter (I have one that looks like a cig, so I can smoke in public)

I haven't smoked with papers in months, but next time I do I'm going to try using catnip.
This guy on erowid said it got him buzzed http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=5299
Of course the addition of catnip will give you a very mild high, but it seems better then nothing and worth a try. Even if it doesn't do anything, at least its cheaper than tobacco (and probably healthier).

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This thread seems to be a lot about finding tobacco alternatives because of fear of addiction. Well here is my philosophy on addiction: Your mindset changes as you become more comfortable with drugs, but so does your understanding.

I remember being 8 and saying to myself that I would never smoke a cig (we all probably said that). Then that changes to just one a week, then just one a day, then two a day, and so on.

I use to say weed is the only drug I'll do (most non-druggies say the same thing). That changed to anything but speed, meth, heroin, and cocaine. That changed to anything but heroin. Now? Well, who knows what I'll do.

To the non-druggie who doesn't understand drugs, doing something like coke seems really scary and stupid. Eventually you learn that just doing it once or twice in your life probably isn't going to kill you. Because of that, you don't mind doing it just once or twice. That progresses until you reach a point where you realize that if you can keep yourself under control and not become a crazy crack head, then you could probably do coke whenever you want and still live a normal non-sucking-dick-for-coke lifestyle. In the end, you are still rationalizing your drug habits. Its difficult to not let it progress too far.

Moral of the story: Before you've done the drug you can't make a fair judgment because you don't understand it. After you've done the drug you realize that your understanding of drugs changes and your "self-control rules" change with it. Its very difficult to make a personal law that is set stone because your old personal laws have fallen down and been replace with more relaxed laws (remember when you were 8?).

Here is an example of one of my personal laws: Never buy a pack of cigs.
I've never bought a pack of cigs, and hopefully I'm never going to. That doesn't mean I don't smoke. I smoke 1 to 3 cigs almost every day, but its from bumming off of other people. When you're bumming cigs off people it keeps you in check and guarantees that you are only ever a social smoker. I'm not going to become a pack-a-day smoker because who is going to just give me a free pack every day?

So guys, just be careful when doing drugs and think hard about what you're doing so you don't fuck up your life. Especially if you are messing with drugs that are physically addictive.

#34

2008-11-30, 12:47

scovegner

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Stuff.

Here is an example of one of my personal laws: Never buy a pack of cigs.
I've never bought a pack of cigs, and hopefully I'm never going to. That doesn't mean I don't smoke. I smoke 1 to 3 cigs almost every day, but its from bumming off of other people. When you're bumming cigs off people it keeps you in check and guarantees that you are only ever a social smoker. I'm not going to become a pack-a-day smoker because who is going to just give me a free pack every day?

So guys, just be careful when doing drugs and think hard about what you're doing so you don't fuck up your life. Especially if you are messing with drugs that are physically addictive.

Well for me it's also the smell, and the taste that I myself just don't like, and also I have to find cigs/tobacco, which being underage I just cbf.. Also, I don't particularly want the nicotine 'buzz' when smoking weed as, for me, I just don't feel it goes well with it.

#35

2008-11-30, 13:23

Bean_Doodle Bean_Doodle is offline

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Living in sweden sucks balls.
Finding any green around here is practically impossible, we only get hash.
Meaning you cant roll it on its own, you gotta roll it with tobacco :(

#36

2008-11-30, 15:16

949884573

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Well for me it's also the smell, and the taste that I myself just don't like, and also I have to find cigs/tobacco, which being underage I just cbf.. Also, I don't particularly want the nicotine 'buzz' when smoking weed as, for me, I just don't feel it goes well with it.

Tons of people feel the same way. I don't know anyone who smokes both weed and tobacco and enjoys mixing the two except a few wiggers that can't get good weed. I know people that've smoked tobacco and weed longer than most of you have been alive, and they don't get any "nicotine buzz". I think the buzz is lack of oxygen to the brain combined with getting your daily fix, relieving your addiction, feeding it. Most people just won't call it a buzz because that's a pathetic excuse for a buzz.

#37

2008-11-30, 17:59

XeNobiTe

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Tons of people feel the same way. I don't know anyone who smokes both weed and tobacco and enjoys mixing the two except a few wiggers that can't get good weed. I know people that've smoked tobacco and weed longer than most of you have been alive, and they don't get any "nicotine buzz". I think the buzz is lack of oxygen to the brain combined with getting your daily fix, relieving your addiction, feeding it. Most people just won't call it a buzz because that's a pathetic excuse for a buzz.

So apparently this seems to be a cultural thing more than anything. Throughout Europe, North-Africa, parts of Asia, pretty much everyone rolls joints with tobacco. Of course you could try to make an argument that these areas are largely populated by wiggers...

#38

2008-11-30, 18:03

deathbyshotgun deathbyshotgun is offline

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Punk_Rocker_22

This is one of the best, accurate, explanations of the gateway effect I've ever read. You're totally right in saying that just because you've tried something once or twice, even a habit-forming drug, doesn't mean you completely lose self-control and spiral downwards into harder and harder drugs until arrest/death. Even the hardest and "worst" of drugs can be used responsibly by some.

I've had that same ciggy rule for a while too. I can honestly say I'm not addicted to tobacco even though i do mix it in with my J's, and I never mix cig t-obacco either, better to stick with pipe tobacco for mixing, it's cheap, plentiful, tastes much better, and has little to no added chemicals depending on what brand you buy (I use Sail).

There are no other great fillers that I know of, you could try mint leaves or I know some others who use dried salvia leaves to mix with, not the concentrated type of course. Another option would be one of the thousands of herbal smoke products found online. The spice stuff is the best because it will actually produce noticeable effects, but it's more expensive than weed plus you have to have it shipped so if you're trying to avoid wasting money/dro then just stick with tobacco.

Tl/DR: Tobacco is the best and only good choice, use it sparingly and use pipe tobacco (can be bought in pouches at tobacconists) because it tastes better and is slightly less bad for you.

#39

2008-11-30, 18:57

xxdeetsxx

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Just do bong hits or use a pipe, makes you look classy :)

#40

2008-11-30, 20:37

moby_dick

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Originally Posted by xxdeetsxx

Just do bong hits or use a pipe, makes you look classy :)

Loool. Maybe to scousers that's the definition of class. ;)

*posh restaurant in liverpool*

"put that zoot away lad! This is a classy place, this."

*hands his son a bong*

;)

#41

2008-11-30, 22:04

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Originally Posted by Bean_Doodle

Living in sweden sucks balls.
Finding any green around here is practically impossible, we only get hash.
Meaning you cant roll it on its own, you gotta roll it with tobacco :(

I live in Sweden and have no problem at all finding green.

Anyway for all you ignorant fuckers whining about addiction, ROAST THE FUCKING TOBACCO. Simple as that. Gets out alot of the nicotine (not all, but enough) + takes aways alot of the tobacco flavor. A joint imo should be 80-20 to 65-35 mix of weed and tobacco, respectivley. Much less wasteful, much smoother and doesn't affect the taste as long as you roast your tobacco.

Just my two cents, peace.

#42

2008-11-30, 23:08

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#43

2008-11-30, 23:18

activepsycho activepsycho is offline

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Isn't this thread titled "non-tobacco filler for joints", because you wouldn't know by the content of the thread.

As an American who as smoked with several Europeans I've heard what they have to say about rolling tobacco in weed. I've rolled weed/tobacco joints many times and I would go for a pure cannabis spliff over a tobacco-adulterated spliff any day of the week. I've also noticed that Europeans and Latin/South Americans smoke cigarettes more than norteamericanos, I think foreigners just like tobacco more. Don't get me wrong, I love the hell out of tobacoo, it just shouldn't be mixed with sweet sweet ganja.

The reaction you get from most Americans if you put tobacco in a spliff is the same you get from Europeans if you don't. It's just a cultural difference guys, you like what you're familiar with. Let's not start a world war over it.

Back to the original question: Damiana is an excellent non-tobacco filler, it has a pleasant taste all on its own and definitely accents the stone.

#44

2008-11-30, 23:55

ShroomLove ShroomLove is offline

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Originally Posted by activepsycho

This! Try some herbal blends like catnip, or some DMT-containing plants....get creative. :D

#45

2008-12-01, 15:19

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Where Sweden in live do you?

Outside Malmö, may have to do with being close to Christiania, the weed capital of Scandinavia. You live in Stockholm I presume?

OT: I really don't give a shit about how other people roll their joints, if their paying for it, they have the right to waste it in pure joints.

Also, to whoever said it's a cultural thing, damn right it is.

#46

2008-12-01, 15:49

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The reaction you get from most Americans if you put tobacco in a spliff is the same you get from Europeans if you don't. It's just a cultural difference guys, you like what you're familiar with. Let's not start a world war over it.

word. people who don't put mix tobacco in aren't idiots, and people that do aren't using inferior shit.

to those who do, does it ever bother you respiratory-wise holding all that tobacco smoke in your lungs?

#47

2008-12-01, 16:05

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word. people who don't put mix tobacco in aren't idiots, and people that do aren't using inferior shit.

to those who do, does it ever bother you respiratory-wise holding all that tobacco smoke in your lungs?

Not me, i picked up smoking tobacco well after smoking weed, and I always smoked it similar to smoking weed. I hold it in my lungs for 1-4 seconds, but i don't smoke cigs so i get a lot more smoke a lot faster without the cotton filter. Now when I smoke weed w/ tobacco i usually hold it for at least 5 secs, and i don't really give a fuck. Now I'm in all likelihood heading towards a bad case of COPD at a young age, so I'm not exactly the poster boy for respiratory health.

EDIT: On topic, I tried a j rolled with some damiana the other day, and it did seem to produce a noticeable buzz (that wasn't the weed) and it didn't taste to bad either. I'd probably like it more if I got used to it; it really does seem like a decent alternative to tobacco for mixing, but that doesn't mean it isn't unhealthy for your lungs.

#48

2008-12-01, 16:08

LegalizeSpiritualDiscovry LegalizeSpiritualDiscovry is offline

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word. people who don't put mix tobacco in aren't idiots, and people that do aren't using inferior shit.

to those who do, does it ever bother you respiratory-wise holding all that tobacco smoke in your lungs?

I was thinking about that, wouldn't that make it worse for you? I hold in my weed smoke 6-8 seconds, sometimes just as long as I can, but when smoking cigarettes, the smoke is exhaled almost immediately... It isn't harsh enough to bug you when you have to hold in ALL the smoke from the joint, tobacco and weed.?

#49

2008-12-01, 16:19

FullMetalJacket FullMetalJacket is offline

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Datura.

#50

2008-12-01, 16:33

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A proper spliff should be something like 25% baccy and 75% green, maybe less. Tobacco is probably the best thing to use because of it's burning properties. In the right proportion, the negative effects of the weed (yes, there is such thing) will actually outweigh that of the tobacco. You really don't have much to worry about.

Just make sure you abstain from non-weed tobacco, if your not trying to get hooked or whatever.

Personally, I never mix my joints with tobacco. I used to as a kid to save my weed, but you know how tolerance goes...

#51

2008-12-01, 17:51

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you're confusing the burning of the paper with the burning blend of the whole thing... But then again:

commercially grown weed....
Burning an excessive amount of weed isn't a waste...
Ur weed sux
i'll argue with science...
U add tobasco cuz ur weed is crap

yeah...

Go troll someone else, dipshit.

Fact stands; if you roll a joint with nothing but weed, you're wasting at least 50% of the stuff you put in it. Sure, we all do this from time to time as the smoking culture is more than just getting buzzed. Inventing new smoking devices and rolling bigger and crazier joints/blunts is part of the social aspect of smoking. However, if i feel like burning money i'll just go back to smoking heroin.

shut the fuck up you whinny cunt!!

#52

2008-12-01, 18:23

hollywood undead 420 hollywood undead 420 is offline

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tobacco good

catnip bad

my throat just got swollen from the nip

hurts like hell

#53

2008-12-01, 22:31

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Salvia

On a serious note, damiana was the first thing that came to my mind. Or maybe something like Spice?

#54

2008-12-02, 00:58

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Ive never been to jamaica, but I know LOTS of rastas, who have been. And they don't put anything but weed in their joints. I could be wrong but wouldnt it even be a sin for a real rasta to defile the sacred ganja with a babalonian plant like tobacco?

and to the original question damiana FTW

Don't worry that guys wrong, I smoke with tobacco in my joints literally as a filler. Dont like cigarettes and don't want people to smoke them around me, Most of my friends are the same, He was wrong on both points, Jamaica and Amsterdam, They both smoke it pure, But hey it's personal preference, To me it's really un-economical not to use tobacco, Weed is too pricey to only get 1 or 2 zoots from a tens. And i don't notice the tobacco taste much at all, I think it brings out the flavour slightly of the weed.

Also no tobacco in bongs is weird IMO, You need a little headrush after your bong, This is given by the tobacco and if anyone wants to come to my area ill show them both if they're interested (Rolling a UK joint and making and ripping a UK mix.)