whats wrong with calling something "gay"?

[OurLeaderThroughTheJungle]

has anyone noticed this movement to get me to stop calling things gay because it's "insulting" to certain groups of people?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkLST3BBaQ8

how can a group of people take the word "gay"--which originally meant "happy", change the meaning to "homosexual"-- and then turn around and attack me for trying to use the word to be a pseudonym for "stupid"-- this is completely beyond me.

I'm all for tolerance and everything--but that is really gay. We don't need language police telling us what words do mean or don't mean--words mean whatever society makes them out to mean--I have gay friends who call things gay--I just... this just makes me upset.

There's advertisements on TV telling me to stop using the word "gay"--but nobody ever speaks out on the TV agianst calling women "bitches" or "hoes"... -_-

that campaigns so gay

Good point. I'll have to bring this up next time my uber-liberal, gay-loving debate coach yells at me for calling something gay.

The only people who get offended by it are closeted homosexuals who are ashamed of themselves and opt not to be queer. Any time someone says "gay" or "faggot" they get extremely worried about it as if someone is talking to THEM even though they could be on television. It's funny because openly gay people don't seem to be offended by it, that is, real gay people not the "bisexual" or wannabe-faggot attention whores that do it for their own sick fad-obsessions and lack of character.

Similarly, radical feminists have "reclaimed" the word "cunt" over the last few decades. You ought to make another thread for the word cunt, OP, because more mystique surrounds that word than any other "epithet" in the English language. I'm quite confident that if someone said that word on the job they would be fired immediately or even sued by some cunt ass kitten with an attitude problem.

Why are people so offended by mere words? Society has been over-feminized, that is why.

Makes the queers cry.

Nah it has something to do with violence being acceptable in society due to pre-existing views of people's worth in a society based on their personal choices and lifestyles. Or somethin like that anyway, wha?

[Benito Faggluey]

Originally Posted by The Divinity of Racism

His last post

QFT (Divinity's post). People and society are so godamn pussy these days it makes me want to vomit.

It has honestly made me come to the decision that if I am to get married, it will be to possibly a Bolivian or Columbian and not some spoiled Canadian or American bitch who thinks she is queen-shit and entitled to some kind of worship for just having a cunt.

Political Correctness has gotten way out of hand. I think it is necessary in some situations (like a court of law where there must be no bias) but Christ man, what we have here is totally ridiculous.

Women eat this shit for breakfast and it disgusts me how stupid so many of them are. If I married one and had to pretend to agree with all this bullshit I would probably murder/suicide.


I hate this society of victims. It's always "who are we going to feel sorry for next". The victimizers are always men too. This passive feminized society we live in is going to kick us in our own asses. I don't know exactly how but this kind of thinking they try to promote is not healthy for a people.

I am not saying feminine is evil, I am saying that it is one side of the coin and that we need to acknowledge and embrace the inherent masculinity in all people aswell. If we dont were all going to shrivel into human vaginas. We need a balance of feminine and masculine in society.

Perhaps, this over-feminization is a result of the very masculinized cultures that we had in our past. Maybe there was a huge build up of repressed feminity that is now being released. Maybe after it is done being released, things will balance. I don't know if what I just said made any sense...


Another thing that pisses me off is a woman's inability to see her own weaknesses. (I have met a few that do admit women have certain weaknesses, but most I meet refuse to admit that). It annoys the fuck out of me to have to play some kind of make-believe game with women, pretending they are "equal" and having to gloss over all their screw ups etc.

The fact is there are things women are better then men at and vice versa. Here is what I believe to be some main ones. And I would like to add that I know there are exceptions to the rules.

Women are better then men in:

• Asthetics
  • Most women excel in the areas of designing a room to flow and breath, intelligently adding color to give spaces character.
  • Women easily outperform men in the areas of personal beauty and using stuff like makeup to beautify others and actually take someone who looks not-so good and make them look good.
• Empathy and Nurturing
  • Women are much superior to most men in the caring about other's feelings and making them feel better about it dept. This skill is a benefit to all mankind. I personally couldn't give a rat's ass about someone whining and complaining, but women will hear this person and actually try to make them feel better. Women make life alot sweeter in this way.

Men are better then women in the areas of getting things done. They make firm decisions and are much less likely to be swayed by others. This is why they are usually better in positions of power.

Men are better then women in technical problem solving. Generally men are better at visualizing problems and solving them. The emotional is much less prioritized in a man's brain so this allows him to use it for more technical and materialistic purposes.

There is much more to add for both sides, but I don't want to flood this thread with my lists so I will leave it there.

Edit: I actually may consider to stop using the term "gay" as to denote something dumb, if Hilary Duff lets me ram her in her ass or poon, 3-5 times a week.

[OurLeaderThroughTheJungle]

Do you think calling something "dumb" is offensive to people who cant talk? I guess we wouldn't know because they wouldn't be able to voice their opinion...

Originally Posted by The Divinity of Racism

I'm quite confident that if someone said that word on the job they would be fired immediately or even sued by some cunt ass kitten with an attitude problem.

Yea in my last job you could swear as much as you wanted and people did. So long as you don't say cunt.

I'm a homosexual who uses the word gay in a lightly derogatory manner, usually to other people whom I know are also gay. Being gay seems to negate all of the aggression that would have been chucked at you if you said that word while being straight, probably because a homosexual who blurts out the word gay is as ironic as a black person calling his fellow blacks niggers.

Originally Posted by MrVitrol

That campaign's so gay

This.

Hillary didn't do a very good job during the interview. She gave answers which weren't fitting for the questions she was asked. It sounded like she was reading off a script or reciting something she'd remembered.

[DerDrache]

When you call something "gay", you are using it in conjuction with the meaning of homosexuality. It having meant "happy" in the past has nothing to do with its current meaning.

Originally Posted by DerDrache

When you call something "gay", you are using it in conjuction with the meaning of homosexuality. It having meant "happy" in the past has nothing to do with its current meaning.

Yes it does, because of the merry nature of homosexuals. Have you ever seen a gay person with a care in the world?

[cannibal hooker]

Well shit, I guess it's the same reason why we don't really call african americans "niggers"
The whole fact that you're using a term in a derogatory context makes it an insult to anything that applies to that term. If you use a word to degrade someone, you're pretty much degrading that word and the meaning behind it. Plus, it's a really, really stupid insult. People tend to use it when they feel cornered and can't think of a real rebuttal.

And I definitely see a lot of people against using "bitches" and "hoes" to describe women. They don't really show it much in the media, I do admit. That's because they perpetuate it.

[JesuitArtiste]

Originally Posted by DerDrache

When you call something "gay", you are using it in conjuction with the meaning of homosexuality. It having meant "happy" in the past has nothing to do with its current meaning.

Uh, no, not really. When I use the word Gay, unless I am using it to mean homosexual, I am using the word to mean something stupid, or irrational. The OP has said much the same thing, and so have several people in the thread. The majority of people understand that Gay really is context dependant on what you mean.

Just as Gay having popularly meant homosexuality, has nothing to do with it's current popular meaning; in this case ,'Stupid'. Words change.

The whole fact that you're using a term in a derogatory context makes it an insult to anything that applies to that term.

No, no it doesn't. When I use the word Gay to mean the word stupid, then I am doing just that, and the word stupid has no connection to homosexuality. Thinking like that reveals more about the person who feels it than the person who uses the word.

For example, I use the word bastard on people who are legitimate children. In these cases the word bastard does not mean an illegitimate child, but a person who I dislike, or in some cases a person who I admire. Words are not an equation, Gay is not Gay=Homosexual=stupid, the meanings are seperate from each other. By using the word bastard I am not saying that all illegitimate children and unpleasant.

Another example, I use the word Jammy to describe someone who is lucky, or skilled etc, I don't use the word to mean that that person has a jam centre, or is in anyway related to Jam.

I guess I'm just trying to say that words have differant meanings, meanings often based on context and shared social ...uh... stuff.

[DerDrache]

Originally Posted by JesuitArtiste

Uh, no, not really. When I use the word Gay, unless I am using it to mean homosexual, I am using the word to mean something stupid, or irrational. The OP has said much the same thing, and so have several people in the thread. The majority of people understand that Gay really is context dependant on what you mean.

Just as Gay having popularly meant homosexuality, has nothing to do with it's current popular meaning; in this case ,'Stupid'. Words change.

While I'd agree that "gay" could theoretically have picked up a new meaning that has no connection with homosexuality, it's still inappropriate. If you went around calling everything you didn't like "Mexican", then eventually you'd piss someone off.

I sometimes use "gay" to mean "stupid", but I don't have any delusions about it's level of inappropriateness.

[cannibal hooker]

Originally Posted by JesuitArtiste

Uh, no, not really. When I use the word Gay, unless I am using it to mean homosexual, I am using the word to mean something stupid, or irrational. The OP has said much the same thing, and so have several people in the thread. The majority of people understand that Gay really is context dependant on what you mean.

Just as Gay having popularly meant homosexuality, has nothing to do with it's current popular meaning; in this case ,'Stupid'. Words change.




No, no it doesn't. When I use the word Gay to mean the word stupid, then I am doing just that, and the word stupid has no connection to homosexuality. Thinking like that reveals more about the person who feels it than the person who uses the word.

For example, I use the word bastard on people who are legitimate children. In these cases the word bastard does not mean an illegitimate child, but a person who I dislike, or in some cases a person who I admire. Words are not an equation, Gay is not Gay=Homosexual=stupid, the meanings are seperate from each other. By using the word bastard I am not saying that all illegitimate children and unpleasant.

Another example, I use the word Jammy to describe someone who is lucky, or skilled etc, I don't use the word to mean that that person has a jam centre, or is in anyway related to Jam.

I guess I'm just trying to say that words have differant meanings, meanings often based on context and shared social ...uh... stuff.

I understand what you mean, and I'm guilty of calling things gay myself. I find it difficult to break the habit. I just think that society as a whole makes the connection to homosexuality as we still use the term to define homosexual people. If I decided I was going to start calling things retarded all the time, despite that I don't really mean that something is mentally handicapped, people are still ocassionally going to be offended because of where the nature of that word stands in our society.
Maybe it is sad that someone would make that connection, but they do because we still are in a society where plenty of intolerant people deliberately use it to insult people in the context of homosexuality.

Homosexuality is a mental disorder it isn't like race, something that someone has no hand in choosing/becoming. While homosexuals are victims of their own upbringings (the majority of the time) they are still open for derogatory critique as they are a moral threat to the nation, and can change their ways. Homosexuals are vain, narcissistic, they are not healthy and they are bad for society and one of the reasons why man today is so feminized, superficial, and weak. So there is nothing wrong with using that word in any kind of context and as one member made note of, the only people that care about it are closet homosexuals who are ashamed of what they are.

Originally Posted by cannibal hooker

I understand what you mean, and I'm guilty of calling things gay myself. I find it difficult to break the habit. I just think that society as a whole makes the connection to homosexuality as we still use the term to define homosexual people. If I decided I was going to start calling things retarded all the time, despite that I don't really mean that something is mentally handicapped, people are still ocassionally going to be offended because of where the nature of that word stands in our society.
Maybe it is sad that someone would make that connection, but they do because we still are in a society where plenty of intolerant people deliberately use it to insult people in the context of homosexuality.

She

Originally Posted by DerDrache

While I'd agree that "gay" could theoretically have picked up a new meaning that has no connection with homosexuality, it's still inappropriate. If you went around calling everything you didn't like "Mexican", then eventually you'd piss someone off.

I sometimes use "gay" to mean "stupid", but I don't have any delusions about it's level of inappropriateness.

and it are closet homosexuals.

Originally Posted by JesuitArtiste

When I use the word Gay to mean the word stupid, then I am doing just that, and the word stupid has no connection to homosexuality. Thinking like that reveals more about the person who feels it than the person who uses the word.

I accidentially said something was gay in front of my gay friend and they didn't take offense to it. I'm sure they hear it all the time and don't think twice about it. I felt bad at first and thought I might have offended them, but again, they said since it wasn't directed at them or their sexuality, that it was fine.

[Yggdrasil]

Originally Posted by The Divinity of Racism

Homosexuality is a mental disorder it isn't like race, something that someone has no hand in choosing/becoming. While homosexuals are victims of their own upbringings (the majority of the time) they are still open for derogatory critique as they are a moral threat to the nation, and can change their ways. Homosexuals are vain, narcissistic, they are not healthy and they are bad for society and one of the reasons why man today is so feminized, superficial, and weak. So there is nothing wrong with using that word in any kind of context and as one member made note of, the only people that care about it are closet homosexuals who are ashamed of what they are.

Paragraphs, for future reference; On to the issues:

Right of the bat, you label homosexuality as a disorder, something which no major or important Medical organization does. A gay could just as easily say that heterosexuality is a disorder, although you'd both be wrong. Just because heterosexuals are the majority doesn't mean we're right to call them insane.

You then state that homosexuals are a factor in the detriment of morality of society. Your entire argument is flawed, since morality is both subjective and relative.

After this, you proceed to go on a self-delusional rant stereotyping gays. I don't even have to argue that one.

And finally, to top off your horse shit crock of an argument; a turd-cherry on top. You state that the only people offended by the term gay as derogatory are gays or closet gays. Dead wrong, mademoiselle. If I hear a decent black person get called a nigger, I'll get offended, and if I hear a disabled person called a retard, I'll get offended as well, yet I am neither of the above two.

So what are you trying to say with this steaming shitload of an argument? That because you feel it's right to be derogatory, the ones receiving the insult have no right to be offended? Fuck you.

[aLn]

Originally Posted by Yggdrasil

Paragraphs, for future reference; On to the issues:

Right of the bat, you label homosexuality as a disorder, something which no major or important Medical organization does. A gay could just as easily say that heterosexuality is a disorder, although you'd both be wrong. Just because heterosexuals are the majority doesn't mean we're right to call them insane.

You then state that homosexuals are a factor in the detriment of morality of society. Your entire argument is flawed, since morality is both subjective and relative.

After this, you proceed to go on a self-delusional rant stereotyping gays. I don't even have to argue that one.

And finally, to top off your horse shit crock of an argument; a turd-cherry on top. You state that the only people offended by the term gay as derogatory are gays or closet gays. Dead wrong, mademoiselle. If I hear a decent black person get called a nigger, I'll get offended, and if I hear a disabled person called a retard, I'll get offended as well, yet I am neither of the above two.

So what are you trying to say with this steaming shitload of an argument? That because you feel it's right to be derogatory, the ones receiving the insult have no right to be offended? Fuck you.

You're right.

At first when I watched that video, I dismissed it as liberal-bullshit. But now I am starting to see it in a new light.

Think back in time, people used to use the words "nigger" and "jew" as negative adjectives very frequently. For example "that idiot better not Jew me" or "that outfit looks very niggerish". I still know people who say stuff like this, and it makes me cringe. It seems low-class or barbaric to speak in such a manner.

I am starting to think that calling stuff "gay" might be similar.

OP I am glad you brought this up

I think a new meaning should be added to mean the opposite of the original word

gay used to mean happy,
got mixed up with homosexuality
people attribute Bad to homosexuality

gay= bad

over the years people have just used to it to mean that shit sucks (shits gay) And they aren't using it in a derogatory sense towards homosexuals...

Kinda reminds me of how its cool for black folks call eachother niggas lol

[JesuitArtiste]

Originally Posted by aLn

....

I am starting to think that calling stuff "gay" might be similar.

That, son, is a sign of homosexuality; I recommend that you begin killing and eating bears raw to save yourself from faggotry and damnation, starting forthwith.

[Slave of the Beast]

Originally Posted by DerDrache

While I'd agree that "gay" could theoretically have picked up a new meaning that has no connection with homosexuality, it's still inappropriate. If you went around calling everything you didn't like "Mexican", then eventually you'd piss someone off.

But being Mexican isn't a lifestyle choice, unlike being a gigantic glitter-fag.

[The Return]

Originally Posted by Yggdrasil

Paragraphs, for future reference; On to the issues:

Right of the bat, you label homosexuality as a disorder, something which no major or important Medical organization does.

The did up until the 80's, when it became politically incorrect.

http://www.narth.com/docs/whitehead.html

You then state that homosexuals are a factor in the detriment of morality of society. Your entire argument is flawed, since morality is both subjective and relative.

If morality is subjective, and the majority of people find homosexuality deplorable, homosexuality is immoral.

And finally, to top off your horse shit crock of an argument; a turd-cherry on top. You state that the only people offended by the term gay as derogatory are gays or closet gays. Dead wrong, mademoiselle. If I hear a decent black person get called a nigger, I'll get offended, and if I hear a disabled person called a retard, I'll get offended as well, yet I am neither of the above two.

I wouldn't either, and I hope DivinityofRacism wouldn't as well, as no one has a hand in choosing whether or not they are born black or retarded. Also, it's funny you mention "decent", exposing what a racist closet queer you are. 70% of Black Americans cut down your right to marry in California and consequently most states in the country this year, I can understand your hatred towards them.

[Yggdrasil]

Originally Posted by The Return

1. The did up until the 80's, when it became politically incorrect.

http://www.narth.com/docs/whitehead.html



2. If morality is subjective, and the majority of people find homosexuality deplorable, homosexuality is immoral.



3. I wouldn't either, and I hope DivinityofRacism wouldn't as well, as no one has a hand in choosing whether or not they are born black or retarded. Also, it's funny you mention "decent", exposing what a racist closet queer you are. 70% of Black Americans cut down your right to marry in California and consequently most states in the country this year, I can understand your hatred towards them.

I've numbered your bullshit so I can respond to it more efficiently.

1. You say that medical organizations have changed their opinions because of political correctness. Not quite. Scientific opinion changes over time, and as more research and evaluation comes to light, that opinion goes with the strongest evidence of it's time. That opinion is, of course, that homosexuality is just another sexual orientation.

2. You cherry-picking motherfucker. If you would have quoted the rest of that statement, you'd get your rebuttal.

3. Here comes the shit. You first point to people having no hand in being black or retarded. So, I can infer that, in your feeble mind, that sexual orientation is a choice right? I've discussed this in another thread, Autism & Homosexuality. Go read there, but please reply here.

You then hint at me for being a racist for saying "decent" black person. I said that because I didn't want to get called out on the trashy, ghetto kind of black people, so I said decent so some thick fuck wouldn't poke in jest.

And then, you hint at me hating blacks for their political positions, and then insinuate at me being gay. Fuck you. What, because I don't like people being treated like shit for no reason I'm gay? Fuck you. Blacks have their right to their opinion, and however much it may conflict with mine, it is not right for me to hate them for it.

But back to the issue of the OP. Saying something's gay is like saying that someone's being a nigger. I understand that the term gay is not as weighted as the term nigger, but it's still serving to the same effect.

[The Return]

1. You say that medical organizations have changed their opinions because of political correctness. Not quite. Scientific opinion changes over time, and as more research and evaluation comes to light, that opinion goes with the strongest evidence of it's time. That opinion is, of course, that homosexuality is just another sexual orientation.

I never said homosexuality wasn't a sexual orientation, neither did anyone else. Pedophilia and zoophilia are sexual orientations, however they are both severely disgusting mental disorders. No evidence has come out that homosexuality is anything but a mental disorder, it is a disorder and it is unhealthy.

3. Here comes the shit. You first point to people having no hand in being black or retarded. So, I can infer that, in your feeble mind, that sexual orientation is a choice right? I've discussed this in another thread, Autism & Homosexuality. Go read there, but please reply here.

Homosexuals have a hand in choosing whether or not they are gay. Homosexuality is the result of a traumatized childhood or bad parenting, just like narcissism or pedophilia. People can however seek treatment for these disorders and denounce/work against these pandemics from ever occurring again, so people choose to be gay when they promote the homosexual deathstyle and attempt to fight for their right to be filthy.

You then hint at me for being a racist for saying "decent" black person. I said that because I didn't want to get called out on the trashy, ghetto kind of black people, so I said decent so some thick fuck wouldn't poke in jest.

If you must make a distinction you are a racist.

And then, you hint at me hating blacks for their political positions, and then insinuate at me being gay. Fuck you. What, because I don't like people being treated like shit for no reason I'm gay? Fuck you. Blacks have their right to their opinion, and however much it may conflict with mine, it is not right for me to hate them for it.

Yes not liking mentally diseased people being ostracized makes you a closet homosexual, because only a closet homosexual or a mentally perverted person would want to defend their narcissistic ways.

[Yggdrasil]

Originally Posted by The Return

I never said homosexuality wasn't a sexual orientation, neither did anyone else. Pedophilia and zoophilia are sexual orientations, however they are both severely disgusting mental disorders. No evidence has come out that homosexuality is anything but a mental disorder, it is a disorder and it is unhealthy.



Homosexuals have a hand in choosing whether or not they are gay. Homosexuality is the result of a traumatized childhood or bad parenting, just like narcissism or pedophilia. People can however seek treatment for these disorders and denounce/work against these pandemics from ever occurring again, so people choose to be gay when they promote the homosexual deathstyle and attempt to fight for their right to be filthy.



If you must make a distinction you are a racist.



Yes not liking mentally diseased people being ostracized makes you a closet homosexual, because only a closet homosexual or a mentally perverted person would want to defend their narcissistic ways.

I'm through with this shit. I should know better than to argue with a spic like you. Your own argument self-pwns..

[The Return]

Confirmed homosexual.

I'd like to join the straight army.

I'd say you're straight soldier status at this point. Congrats.

Just as I suspected, JustAnotherAsshole proves he has been misquoting me for the last page. Nowhere in those quotes do I say I want fags killed, in fact in most of those quotes I'm not saying anything close to that. Once again the queer proves his debate skills are below that of a child.

Originally Posted by patton

I'd like to join the straight army.

All ya needs iz a truck, sum rope and a shotgun. Then you can rassel yerself up sum queers and have a good ol' fashioned fag-drag.

Originally Posted by LJ

I'd say you're straight soldier status at this point. Congrats.

Just as I suspected, JustAnotherAsshole proves he has been misquoting me for the last page. Nowhere in those quotes do I say I want fags killed, in fact in most of those quotes I'm not saying anything close to that. Once again the queer proves his debate skills
are below that of a child.

Are you fucking high?

I went through, post by post quoting your dumb ass.

Unless you changed them all, it should all still be there, you ass-hat.

Wow you are an absolute idiot. Lets settle this:
In the first post you quoted, I said that encouraging faggotry means you deserve death, not being a faggot. Huge difference.

Second post, I simply say that queers will die off soon enough.

Third post I say that people shouldn't make such a big deal when a few queers get killed.

Fourth post, I say I hope they sent the fag to the hospital because he used a racial slur.

Fifth, I say it brings me happiness to know freaks like you still get assaulted (notice I did not say killed) by my fellow soldiers.

In NO POST do I say that I want queers killed. To pretend I did is to inaccurately paraphrase my words.

[Martian Luger King]

Well, LJ might not feel that way, but let me be the first to declare. I openly and fully support and encourage the killing of homosexuals. I myself have killed a few queers in my day, mostly by hang draw and quarter and an improved brazen bull made from my BBQ grill. I drive up in to the big cities in my Ford F-150 and collect as many queers as I can and chain them down to the bed. When I get home I make them queers squeal and I do mean like a piggy. And I do it in a manner that is lawful and legal; and I am quite adamant about following safety procedures when it comes to fag bodily fluids because I would not want to endanger the safety of my family what with the number of diseases they come with.

Hell yeah bro do your thing. I was just proving FagHole wrong so everyone could know he was misquoting me. When it comes down to it I'm all for killing faggots. Just a tip on locating targets, try finding one of their protests (shouldn't be hard considering how much they bitch about "rights"), you'll be able to wrangle up quite a few freaks. Then just ride the deathmobile down there and use your typical hunting techniques.

On a more somber note, I encourage all my fellow soldiers to show support for one of our own. An innocent 14 year old boy named Brandon McInerney is actually on trial just for blasting a fag. I'm disgusted that the judge hasn't already thrown this case out, but hope is not lost. He can still beat this. Have faith.

Originally Posted by Martian Luger King

Well, LJ might not feel that way, but let me be the first to declare. I openly and fully support and encourage the killing of homosexuals. I myself have killed a few queers in my day, mostly by hang draw and quarter and an improved brazen bull made from my BBQ grill. I drive up in to the big cities in my Ford F-150 and collect as many queers as I can and chain them down to the bed. When I get home I make them queers squeal and I do mean like a piggy. And I do it in a manner that is lawful and legal; and I am quite adamant about following safety procedures when it comes to fag bodily fluids because I would not want to endanger the safety of my family what with the number of diseases they come with.

My god, I think I've been trolled.

Either way, that was the funniest thing I've read today.