Lazy Kewl Ops I What the hell. I want to see how far this goes. Post your night ops stories here.
P.S. New readers, first 5 or so pages are nothing but garbage, skip to the later pages. I recalled a good story around page 10 I believe, but other than that you aren't missing shit. Last edited by Psychlonic; 2008-10-25 at 16:29. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Its about time Last edited by Lord G; 2008-08-11 at 22:37. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Well currently i'am planning a hypothetical NIght Op. The story goes that I will need to go threw seveval backwoods areas to finally arrive at the back of his house. From there the character will pour paint thinner in and on his car, and throw a paint nade at his car. This is still in planning and i'am still reviewing areal photos. Reply With Quote

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All the bold words you spelt wrong and I corrected. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Congratulations you qualify as a 6th grade Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Quote: Originally Posted by Pandoras Assassin View Post Congratulations you qualify as a 6th grade English teacher. You're the one who made the 6th grade English mistakes... Reply With Quote

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n i can spellz corketkly if i woant to if i can cuz i do wut i wunt! Reply With Quote

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Lol... I think this thread might have some potential but I dont know...
Excessive grammar Nazism gets rather annoying. I would post a few of my night op stories but I'm too lazy and I want to see where this thread goes first. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Lol, i'd like to hear a few stories. Please post them. =] Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Ok It's been to long since I have heard some good night ops stories. I hereby officially retract my openning comment. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Quote:Thats the joke. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Here's some material for the fans and the haters alike:

http://www.thedisease.net/functions....the_Shadow.zip

Keep in mind I wrote that a long time ago, but most of the information is still good. The alarms section is incomplete at best, though. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX I wish I had stories to contribute. Sadly, I do not.

If only "Get Off Your Ass Day" had worked Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX So if I understand this, nobody on TOTSE has opped in at least a year? Reply With Quote

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Well currently i'am planning a hypothetical NIght Op. The story goes that I will need to go threw seveval backwoods areas to finally arrive at the back of his house. From there the character will pour paint thinner in and on his car, and throw a paint nade at his car. This is still in planning and i'am still reviewing areal photos. Better not be at my house. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Quote: Originally Posted by VinMetal666 View Post Better not be at my house. ;D Muhahhahaha. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Whats the new domain for the old op.nightops.com Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX aff. Totse didnt submit my post.
But basically it was a story about me and swim getting a digital projector worth ~$1000.
Few other missions but meh.
Get the way of the shadow. It will teach you alot.
If anyone has any manuals on security, post them plz :P Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Quote:http://cache.search.yahoo.net/search...icp=1&.intl=us
2008-08-14, 09:35 Warrussia Warrussia is offline Regular
Salisbury_NC_USA Send a message via AIM to Warrussia Default Re: Night Ops IX Quote:http://cache.search.yahoo.net/search...icp=1&.intl=us i think he means the fourms, btw you can find that guide on the disease. I might post a few op stories. speaking of ops I just reacently just got some military web gear. i got the belt and sholder straps. A canteen and carrier, a ammo carrier, a compass and compass holder, also my kabar fight nice and snug on the belt. oh and I can always get more attachements for the belt. Reply With Quote Warrussia

Re: Night Ops IX Quote:http://cache.search.yahoo.net/search...icp=1&.intl=us Fuck that version, that's Version 1.0 and appears chopped off anyhow. It excludes a lot of info. Use V2.0 found in my link to thedisease instead. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Some kid got shot the otherday by a rent a cop walking around in a building. I laughed softly when the news said he was decked out in camo, had a mask and various other things on. Then I died inside for laughing at something that bad. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX I know some one here knows the web site im talking about op.nightops.net Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Nano vapor, yo. Also 9000 crunches and pushups, and like 50 guns. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Quote: Originally Posted by Johnny T View Post I know some one here knows the web site im Provide me with your contact information and Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Wow. You make a topic about night ops, true to the originals, yet everyone makes separate

topics and wonder why they don't get responses. Well this was an interesting experiment. I've concluded night ops is official dead. No unity, no action, but plenty of talk.
Fate, I will no longer argue against your looking down upon night ops. Maybe you're right. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Don't be so grim, Psychlonic. This is TOTSE, certain types of users are overrepresented here, if you take my meaning. Maybe TOTSE can no longer foster the kind of users we need, but that doesn't mean they don't exist. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Quote:Valkyr, There's nothing wrong with carrying a big knife, but just don't walk around with it in your hands. Keep it sheathed and close to your body. Knives are best used in defense when they're a surprise anyhow. The thing to remember is that there's two ways to operate. You either carry the best gear and go balls to the walls, or you try to look a little more inconspicuous and accept the fact you could get caught. I'm a champion of the former, but a lot of people are all about the latter. Hey, it's admittedly safer. In night ops, the more you venture, the more you gain. Right now with your lack of experience, I'd say don't venture too far and just get comfortable in the shadows. Bringing all the good gear if you haven't learned the basics is actually a liability. That said, once you built skill by all means carry what you need to accomplish more. Last edited by Psychlonic; 2008-08-15 at 12:59.
2008-08-16, 03:01 Daniel087 Daniel087 is offline Acolyte
Default Re: Night Ops IX Quote: Originally Posted by Johnny T View Post I know some one here knows the web site im talking about op.nightops.net Shit, perhaps you should try searching the fucking forums. I was able to find it. Reply With Quote Daniel087

Re: Night Ops IX Quote: Originally Posted by Daniel087 View Post Shit, perhaps you should try searching the fucking forums. I was able to find it. High five Danial...I wish i could give you a fucking metal. Sorry I dont spend every waking hour searching these forums. People like you Danial are what make these forums go to shit. When someone has a valid question on the topic, people like you shoot them down and brag about themselves. Instead of letting everyone know that you were ablo to find it, why not just post the web site Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Anyone have links to the original 3 threads? Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Since i am such a nice person, i will direct you to the archives.
See the bottom right? It sais "Archive". Go in there, then click bad ideas.
I cbfed searching 108(like 50,000 threads) pages, cause totse is full of retards who make

multiples of every thread. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX It has been while since I have gone an any actual night time operations. I have however, recently been able to use some of my skills to help a little girl. At a local convenience store I used to work, my friends daughter got locked in the bathroom, they had no keys to that door and the girl started having a panic attack so it was impossible for her to be guided in the unlocking of the door herself. My friend called me, very very upset and I went down there. My brother and I were then able to partially dismantle, kick in the door, remove the little girl and then reassemble the door to perfect working order. Visible damage was minimal, and I was rewarded. This was the first time I had attempted to 'fix' a door that I had kicked, and it was actually pretty simple. The next time I have to resort to door kicking in an operation, I might try and conceal entry in this way. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Yeah, it helps to leave no evidence, but the door might be impossible to get back on, and if your in a hurry then you cant exactly stop and put the door back on.
I remember having to remove a door......solid, reinforced with steel, and maybe 1-2mm either side. It was tight as....The only thing good was it opened out, but try using a screwdriver in the gap...... We ended up just taking the hinges off and removing the door that way, then just left it leaning against the wall. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX We actually used a crow bar on the door, we actually almost pulled the dead bolt out of the wall,

but decided it would be quicker and more fun to kick it. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Call me an asshole, but that would have been hilarious had you booted the door straight into her face.
"You're FREE!" ... "Oh shit, you're knocked the fuck out..." Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Quote:2008-08-31, 22:59 Psychlonic Psychlonic is offline Regular
Default Re: Night Ops IX Do a search for my "A History of Night Ops" thread on here, it has links to all the major ones. Reply With Quote Psychlonic

Re: Night Ops IX Thats not really a Night Op. Thats more drunken vandalism, and doesn't really take any skill.
and hitting her with the door would have been hilarious had it been someone else lol We made sure she was out of the way before we did it. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Quote:"You're FREE!" ... "Oh shit, you're knocked the fuck out..." xD
"Woops im sry little girl" Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX http://www.totse.com/community//arch...t-2032233.html
found it!!
and bumped it!! Last edited by wolfy_9005; 2008-09-02 at 06:24. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Woot cheers, cbfked looking past the 4th page! Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX just used ctrl + f and typed the title in it then went through each page Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Since nobody else wants to post stories, here's a piece of night ops fiction for you: It was Spring Break of 2007. I was living with family friends in a new city, clawing to get a foothold there so I wouldn't have to go back to the black hole I'd been living in for years before all of this. With the free time on my hands, it wasn't long before I started thinking of how I could sneak my way into some place and walk out a richer man. For the longest time, my mind was on a school I went to years and years before. There would be new computers, chemicals to continue my "experiments", and probably some cash if I looked in the right places. My only problem? The school was 200 miles away from where I was currently sitting.
Oh-fucking-well.
I called up my most talented accomplice at the time, Teck-9, and told him I needed a driver. He agreed and said he'd come over later. Fucking awesome. I spent the next few minutes getting all

of my equipment ready. I loaded my LBV up with my multi-tool, a compass, flashlight, space blankets, GMRS radio, my water bladder, and some other goodies. Travelling one mile is one thing. Travelling one mile covertly, infiltrating a school, then returning to the drop zone with 60 pounds or so of loot quietly - twice - is no fucking joke. So go ahead and tell me I'm carrying too much shit, kewl. On top of this, I'd been up since about six in the morning. It was going to be a long ass night! I tossed my LBV and a couple large rucksacks out my basement window into the lawn, walked out the door without raising an eyebrow from anyone in the living room, and locked my gear away in my trunk. Now the wait. Thoughts of the school's security entered my mind. There were dummied sensors in the hallway I knew, but that was all I could remember. 1900 rolled around, and I got the knock on my door. Time to roll. We left explaining we were taking off for the night, and no questioned asked we got into my car. So far so good. I turned the key and we hit the road. About 100 miles later, we stopped at a gas station so I could fill my gas tank one last time to make the last 100 miles and the return trip with no problem. At the mini-mart there, Teck-9 picked up some water and energy drinks for himself. I definitely didn't want his ass falling asleep while waiting for me, so I had no complaints. He also didn't want ME falling asleep at the wheel on the way back. ETA for the town was 2200 hours. On time, we came into town. Completely quiet, as usual, at this time of night. As we drove along, I explained how everthing was going to happen. Where he needed to be, where he needed to drop me off, what to look for, and what to avoid. Cake walk. We continued until we reached gravel pit hidden from view. This would be where Teck-9 would wait for me while I infiltrated, and keep an ear on the police scanner for any chatter. I handed him the keys and popped the trunk. After putting my nighttime digis and gear on - and taking a pre-op piss - I took the passenger seat and reclined it all the way. Surely a dumbass with a balaclava and LBV on would look suspicious in a car... Teck-9 started my car back up and headed towards my infiltration point: a large shed next to an unlit road. This was the best possible place for me to be in full gear this often as I had the least chance of being seen. As we approached, Teck-9 told me to get ready. I sat my seat up and grabbed both rucks. Teck-9 U-turned in the road and began returning in the direction we came. This brought us next to the shed. Teck-9 stopped the car and I tossed both rucks out the window and flipped out of the car backwards. As soon as I was out, Teck-9 immediately resumes driving for the pit. Perfect. For those wondering, the exit was made like this to avoid turning on my dome and door lights, as well as avoid having to carefully shut my door. It was a speed and stealth issue. I grabbed my rucks and immediately scrambled behind the shed. Teck-9 wished me good luck on our encrypted radio frequency and I set off. Behind the shed was an open field with a house off to the left and one to my 2 o'clock. I had left one of the rucks lying next to the shed concealed and put one on my back. The trip to the campus was simple as I'd selected the path of least resistance. I was able to clear fences a good distance from housing except in a couple instances, where I was forced to slink past a pair of houses. Before I knew it, I was walked crouched in tall grasses just outside the campus, where I could see the bus yard and the main high school building. Encompassing clockwise, I hit darkness where I planned to spring across the lawn and behind the library building. I radioed Teck-9 telling him I was preparing to go in, hopped the last fence, and sprinted forth. After what felt like an eternity of being exposed, I found myself once again in the darkest shadows. My first priority was the science lab, so I swiftly jogged to the side of the building silently and approached a window I knew led inside. These windows swung outwards, and were very vulnerable even when locked. To my pleasant surprise, they weren't even locked. I scanned the room for new sensors, but none were to be found. Satisfied, I climbed in. I closed the blinds on the windows (actual dark blinds) and flipped on my headlamp so I could see hands free. The chemical lockers were held shut by masterlock comination locks. I foiled these easily enough with cheap shims I had made after a couple minutes and began loading up. I used towels to protect the items from vibration that would occur during my movement. When finished, I moved on. Because the room I was in offered a shitty view of the hall outside, I decided to exit through the window again just to play it safe. I didn't want to blunder into a PIR sensor like a fucking idiot.

After closing the window, I moved around to a back door. As I pulled out my compass and began to move it around the perimeter of the door, the needle suddenly pointed at it as I was scanning the top. Great, magnetic switch. The door was a no-go. I moved around again until I found a window I knew led into the history room. This was of the variety that slides up, and if locked has a vulnerability meant to be used in case of a fire. Again though, there was no need to exploit this as these fucking morons had actually left it unlocked. So after seeing no PIR inside once again, I opened it up and slipped inside. I grabbed a rolling chalk board, unscrewed a mirror on wall, put it on the chalk board, and opened the door going out into the hallway. I maneuvered the chalk board so I could see around the corner for PIR lighting. None. Continuing down the halls, I used the chalk board to see without exposing myself, and eventually came to the conclusion that no PIR sensors were installed in this school. I returned the mirror back to the wall and the chalk board roughly where I had found it. While it'd be obvious someone had just robbed them blind, at least they wouldn't know how I did it. My next target was the school's office. Compassing the door revealed no magnetic switch, but it was locked. A plastic card resolved this, and the next moment I was inside taking a couple laptops. At this point, I really hoped there wasn't some hardcore nerd looking at the school network, because if there was, he would notice computers going offline suddenly. Unfortunately, I knew the cops would also now know what time this was done at. But, it wouldn't do them much good. The superintendent's office was locked up tight with a deadbolt, and I didn't feel like picking it so I gave it a good boot instead. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Inside was the main tower, complete with pretty much all the info on the students and staff here. First thing was first though, I rifled through the desks and cabinets here, took some cash, confiscated goods, and some DVDs. Then I disconnected the tower, tossed the wires and flat screen monitor into my ruck, and held the tower and all the fun IDs on it in my hands and left. Now I was completely loaded down. Let me tell you, carrying this much weight, quietly, and steadily so you don't have nitric acid running down your back is a fucking bitch. I exited out my window, shut it, and left the area. Getting back outside of campus was rough. I had to waddle as fast as possible across the lawn and hope to hell nobody drove along. Things went my way though and I made it across and over the fence. Eventually, I began to near the drop point.
"Pick up the trash, pick up the trash, pick up the trash!!!" (My signal for pick up) "Coming for ya man"
The timing was almost perfect. Right as I crossed the fence next to the shed, I saw my own headlights coming. Teck-9 passed by me, U-turned again, and slowed as he reached me. I quickly tossed the tower in the backseat, and ruck in the front, and waved him off. I then jumped the fence again and laid against the shed for a minute. This was fucking rough. I tossed on my second rucksack, took a drink from my water bladder, and continued back to the school for round two. My approach was exactly the same as before, and it went exactly the same way. I had to hurry just in case someone was on their way for whatever reason. Time was of the essence. I knew how dangerous this was, but I had every reason to believe I had been stealthy enough so I wanted to clean the place out. I waited before entering the campus this time to assess the situation and make sure no super troopers had been in the area. All clear. I sprinted towards the school again and stopped when I reached the shadows. At this point, I was

completely soaked in my own sweat, hot as hell in my camo, and really just wanted a nice pitcher of ice tea lol. But instead of ice tea I was going to grab the best computers out of the computer lab. I went inside through my window going into the history room again and shut it behind me. Then I quickly sprinted to the computer lab. I was ready to get this over with. Compassing the door showed nothing, and the door was locked. My card solved that shit quick. Inside, I grabbed a nice projector, the teacher's tower, and as many parts as I could fit from the storage closet into my ruck. Tower in hand yet again, I left the school and had to undergo another grueling trip back to the drop zone. I consider myself in great shape, but I was fucking beat. I was carrying two towers and tons of parts right now, my ruck and cargo pockets bulging from this shit. About half-way back, I could hear a car coming. Oh fuck... I didn't know if I had enough juice left to sprint if I needed to, so I slowly propped myself against a tree and hid myself as good as I could. The car passed without incident and continued along. Close call. I saw the shed growing near again, so I radioed for Teck-9. I had to wait a bit this time, but he soon passed by again, turned, and slowed. This time, I put everything in the front, opened the back door, climbed in, and told him to move. I laid in the back so nobody would see me if they drove by, fucking pumped that we just pulled the hard part off. Teck-9 reminded me we weren't home yet, but fuck it, I was happy as hell. When we got to the pit, I placed all the remaining loot in the trunk with the rest, took off all my gear and camo which I put in their as well, and locked it. Now cops needed a warrant if we got pulled over to see the incriminating evidence. I knew they never would either, because I left no trace of my presence other than missing equipment. Teck-9 handed over the keys, I took another piss, drank some water, and we hit the fucking road. Current time was 0100 hours. It wasn't long after we left town that I felt my adrenaline rush wear off and my fatigue set in. We had to open the windows and blast ourselves with cold air to stay awake. I slammed one of Teck-9's Amp drinks and we started joking about stupid shit to keep our minds running. About half-way back, we nailed a fucking deer running across the road. That woke us up. I managed to hit it in the hind legs, and after climbing out and inspecting the car, we noticed no damage at all. We got back at almost 0400, dead ass tired. We hurried the loot down into the basement while everyone was asleep and looked it all over with the windows closed. Lojack was the big concern with the laptops, so I sent those with Teck-9 so he could show his computer geek friends who'd be able to detect and disable it. We split the rest of the computer gear, I took all the chemicals, and we called it a night. Mission accomplished. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Quote:Jeez dude you are either Tom Clancy or Sam Fisher.

Get it? You either write a really fucking good and believable story or you are a fucking ninja...
2008-09-07, 03:28 5.56 SS109 5.56 SS109 is offline Regular
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Re: Night Ops IX Nicely done, Psych.
I'm finding myself with more free time than I expected, but I'm out of fucking shape. Plus there's the whole responsibility issue I discussed on the forum. But I am itching to get back out again. I just really can't afford to get busted until I'm rich enough to buy my way out of it.
By the way, I'm not. lawl.
But yeah, I'm gonna start training again. At this point it's been so long I really need a whole new outfit, and like half of my equipment loadout is gone.
Ah well, onwards and upwards into the night, eh? Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Not a whole lot you need, just some dark clothes, shoes, mask, and gloves. Flashlight goes a long ways, and everything else, while important, loses priority from there. Hell I used to go out in black cargos, a black fleece shirt, cloth wrapped around my head, and dark cotton gloves I used for messing with firewood and I did just fine. Now is the time to go before the weather turns to shit.

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Re: Night Ops IX Nice story man. Planning on going on a "mission" in a few days, but needa make some lockpicks.
Anyone have any templates?
Ive picked a few locks, and the ones at my target location are pretty shit anyway. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Quote:Just curious, the compass trick, does that work for all magnetic switches? Anything that could cause the compass to miss a switch or give a false positive reading? Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX I'm not going to say it's 100% reliable, because there could be something that could mess it up, but magnetic switches are really the only thing strong enough for the compass to detect. So there could be other electronics there that might give off a slight magnetic field, but not enough to make a difference. I could see possibly some electronically locked doors getting picked up, but that's

only if you're near the handle. I doubt even those are strong enough to move the needle when you're scanning the top - which is where the switches almost invariably are. The biggest thing is to get a compass that isn't a piece of shit, so not some plastic piece of crap coming out of China. We're talking military grade, something that will settle on north quickly and steadily, and isn't going to get stuck. I've found that if the compass can pick up a subwoofer from a fair distance in front of it, it's good to go for magnetic switches. If you move it around in front of the speaker, you'll see the needle stay focused on the center of it.
wolfy, Try lockpicking101, users there post templates all the time. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX ^ cheers.
I have the misison planned out. Only way anyone is gonna find out the plan is if they can read minds. Gonna be a sneaky entrance, sneaky open the door, bash the lock off, grab loot and bail. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX A certain someone was out tonight doing some exploration, and got to thinking about the moon as it's currently out and bright as fuck. Got to thinking about how manuals often say "Don't position yourself between the moon and your target." This is true to an extent, but it can also be wrong. Generally, you don't want to be between the moon and people in a very literal sense. If the moon is behind you, it's going to silhouette you and cast big shadows. However, if the moon is higher in the sky, it can actually give you the advantage while behind you. Consider the fact how difficult it is to see into a dark area when there's a light above. It's fucking hard, because your eyes focus on the light too much, causing a sort of haze over the dark area. Same applies with the moon. If you stand in a big open area, notice how easily you can see things with your back to the moon. Now face the moon. You'll probably have to form a visor with your hand and still not even see quite as well. So, when the moon is low, don't get between it and a person. If the moon is high, position yourself there so that it can make you harder to see and give you the visibility advantage. Similarly, be especially careful about people who could be between you and the moon, as they can see better than you. When the moon is high, be careful going down hills facing away from the moon. The moon will project a shadow reaching all the way down the slope, and silhouette you all the way down. If you need to be extremely stealthy, this is one of those times to low crawl.

Finally, no matter where the moon is, always keep a low profile on high areas. Never stand on hill tops, crest, edges of buildings, or anything else that's going to form a black hole. Remember, vision in the dark is based on contrast, not color.
Since I'm writing so much, some advice on moonlight:
When the moon or any other light is giving you a hassle seeing past it, form a box with your hands (think of making mock binoculars, but as one hole rather than two). The box will stop light from coming into your lateral vision and allow you to focus on dark areas.
Always travel below the crest of hills so that you don't silhouette yourself. Standard technique.
Keep the fact that night vision relies on contrast rather than color in your head at all times. Shape to a certain extent. With the moon high and behind you, you can almost always see people before they can see you, and that's including if the person is actively searching for you. If what you CAN'T see bothers you, move yourself into the appropriate position to get the superior vision.
In urban areas, the moon generally won't do you a damn bit of good. On rooftops though, it can affect you negatively. When the moon is bright, never stand on a roof. In fact, always make sure your body is pressed against something when you are near ANY edge. If you're beside a building, be right next to it. Don't stand on the side. Again, contrast. Everyone knows the building will be it's own dark spot. If there's a dark spot next to it, that's irregular. Standing next to it let's the building "absorb" your silhouette, so you become just another part of it. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX I'm genuinely surprised so many of the night ops... 'celebs' actually even found this thread, what with BI being the forsaken backwater it's become. But all good. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX does anyone know which security companies employ their own people to respond to triggered alarms, and no immediate police notification, which ones report to the police only, or which ones do both at once?
2008-09-10, 23:44 Psychlonic Psychlonic is offline Regular
Default Re: Night Ops IX I think it just depends on the area you're in. I've heard people say that Brinks sends people out,

but in areas like mine where there is no office for them, I only hear them come in on the scanner. You'll hear "A burglar alarm has gone off on so-and-so" because the system notifies them immediately rather than an office, and they take care of calling the owner as well. If there's an office anywhere in the region, I imagine they report the alarm to the police and maybe send out units? I think it varies a lot man, even I have no idea if there's a standard. Is there a reason you need to know? The end result is the same - someone checks the area out. Reply With Quote Psychlonic

Re: Night Ops IX Also depends alot on the area. Is there alot of "dodgy" characters living near by? If yes, then theres a higher probability of an office/cop nearby to respond quickly. between 4-6 is the best times, as the human body is at it's weakest, so if you stay awake all night, and sleep all day then 4-6 at night is when your weakest, so you should have an advantage. Otherwise, 1-3am is generally the best times,as most patrols will stop/minimize their activity, which may give you another few moments in which to escape or hide(but never hide in the target location.
Get "The way of the shadow" by Psychlonic. It will help you alot more than i can.
EDIT: I was gonna host it, but i dont have a copy anymore....wtf....ill search some disks and get back to you. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX ^- Sanity is an old schooler, he knows all about the guide. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX :-P Still waiting on the next one
I was asking about who responds to what alarms, because it could be important for some hypothetical situations I have come up with.

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Re: Night Ops IX kk dont usually pay attention to names

Have u managed to find any guides on security since you first wrote it?

Make some lockpicks aswell Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX You should be able to find all that easily Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Quote:
Night ops skill crossover - ID fraud. A quick guide. I know a lot of people on &T are interested in getting IDs for various reasons. Unfortunately, almost none of them will ever read this cause their head is too fucking small to wrap around the possibilities of night ops. I know this won't be everyone's bag of tea, nothing wrong with strictly exploration, but those of us with a brain should have long seen the advantage of going anywhere undetected. Complete IDs usually consist of the following in the US: Government issued photo ID (including a drivers license), SS card, and a birth certificate. These three documents can let you pull just

about anything off. The most obvious solution here is to steal them. In theory, at least. In practice, there's more work involved. You may as well figure the ID will always be in a wallet or purse. Often times, people carry their SS card in there as well. The birth certificate could be pretty much anywhere, which makes it the big bitch. This could require a good "It Takes a Thief" style house thrashing if you're hell bent on finding it. What most people don't realize, is that there's another way. And it's better. If you go into a house or a personal business office, and you're looking for IDs, the first place you need to go is the computer desk (or office equivalent). Look for bills, shipping receipts, anything proving that these people live at this residence. As much as you possibly can. Also try to get payment stubs. These need to be recent, but try to be cautious and not get TOO recent lest the owners notice something missing quickly. These can be used to file for a government issued ID. In MOST states, not all, you can mail these items in along with a picture of yourself and they will either mail it to you or tell you to pick it up somewhere (DMV or post office). Google your individual state for more instructions on getting yourself a government issued ID. Now, if you find a birth certificate AND you've already found a license or above info, don't touch the birth certificate. If you can find all the required info, don't take the license either. The info can be used to file for an ID, and the ID can be used to file for a birth certificate. You want to try to take as little as possible so nothing is reported missing. In order to apply for a missing birth certificate, you'll need to know that person's info. When and where they were born, mother's maiden name, the works. If you have enough material to apply for the ID - or you simply took their ID - and you also find their birth certificate, simply take down all the info on the certificate with a pen or camera. With an ID and all their certificate info, you can just apply for a new one without them ever noticing anything is amiss. The SS card you shouldn't need physically so long as you know the number. Write it down, take a picture of the card, whatever. Speaking of pictures. If you cannot find current housing info, but you find the ID, there's two choices. One is to just take the card and risk ID protection measures being taken. Honestly, it's nothing too great, but the measures could fuck you over if you're not careful. Or you can take a picture of both sides. Some banks in the US allow you to create an account online by sending them a photocopy of the ID along with some other information, among other uses. Statistically, I've found more female IDs than male because females are often stupid and leave their purses in their vehicles. If you're a female car shopper this is easy for you. Males, you can still use photocopies of everything you find to do online business, you just won't have a true alternate ID to fall back on.
I realize this bounces around a lot, it's not exactly a full, step-by-step guide. But it's enough to give anyone with a clue an idea on how this works.
Summary: - Bills and receipts are also valuable identity information. - Apply for completely new ID with billing and payment receipts whenever possible. - Use new ID to apply for completely new birth certificate if possible. - Record SS info. If you need the card, forge it. It's the easiest item to forge.
On a completely different method, also check computers for info. Your best bet here is to get Windows running off a flash drive (Google it) and boot from USB (note that some motherboards do not allow this, and if the BIOS is locked you will need to reset it via battery disconnect or jumpering). This will give you access to their computer's files the fastest. Just dump their documents and any other interesting folder onto another flash drive and leave ASAP. Check through all of them later to save time on the scene. Don't forget their auto-fill entries for their web browsers.
This is going longer than I intended it to. You get the point, eh? Last edited by Psychlonic; 2008-09-12 at 14:11.

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Re: Night Ops IX ^ yeh makes sense.
Disguises also play a big part with fake/false/alternate I.D's. Just Get like a hippie wig(or dredlocks), glasses, maybe a fake mustache, something that makes you look different. People will pay attention to the hair or the glasses, not to the colour of your eyes.
I was watching a thing on tv the other day and it said that your eyes will automatically scan the face, depending on whether you know them or not, i.e if you know them, you tend to look at the eyes and mouth first, but if you dont know them, your more likely to scan the entire face(ie. eye colour, nose, teeth, ears, everything) as your brain needs to know more information about the person.
The glasses and wig help to disperse your face, and if you wear it so it covers your ear and some of your cheeks, then their less likely to recognise you. Just refrain from acknowledging people that you recognise when your in your disguise. Likewise, dont wear a business suit with your hippie outfit, as it doesnt look right. Wear like a tie dye shirt and one of those jamaican beanies(with the multiple colours).
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Re: Night Ops IX This isn't really an op, just some observations I made. I'm still getting back in shape, will be a while before you get a real op outta me. But I do want to drum up some interest in the community, and keeping this thread alive is important.
So I was at the laundromat with my girl and her mom tonight, in another town, and I hadn't yet gotten in my run for the day, so I decided to go for one during the wash cycle. The town is an old one, with some old factories and buildings repurposed but not remodeled, so there was some cool architecture. As I was moving around I was scoping out possible targets, as well, just for some nighttime urbex. There was one cool, grimy old squat factory building with some carboarded-up windows and a short little smokestack on top. There was a cracked and broken fenced in lot around it, with everything overgrown and probably a dozen wrecked cars in it. I couldn't really see much on the ground level because of the bushes and the fence, which I would have hopped if I wasn't wearing a stark white t-shirt. I gotta get me some new dark clothes. Definitely a target for the future.

I also noticed something else. Dinner means fun time. I must have ran past two dozen houses with their garage doors gaping open, expensive power tools in plain site and a limited number of street lights. In each of these houses I could hear the clinking of plates and silverware, as well as smell pot roasts and mashed potatoes. People are so comfortable with their property when they're actually awake, that if you're looking to lift some stuff you might be better served going out BEFORE bed than after bed. No need to break in, and as long as you're quiet and keep an eye out for neighbors, it's easy pickings.
The rest of my jog was a bit uneventful, but I just thought I'd share a bit. Also, never underestimate the human body's ability to adapt and overcome when put to task. I was so out of shape earlier this week that I could barely go two hundred yards at a decent clip before I'd have to slow to a walk. Today(three days later) I ran/walked(ran, mostly) about two and a half miles, and finished with some windsprints. I am no physical god, you can get in shape this quickly too if you eat right and stay regular with your exercise. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Quote:2008-09-14, 06:35 diminished.to.me diminished.to.me is offline Acolyte
Default Re: Night Ops IX This thread is pretty much all that's left of a night op's community. I'm upset I wasn't into this a couple years ago during the golden age depicted on nightops forums archives. I was planning on opping this weekend. But it has been raining for three days, all my routes are flooded, and I have no good dark clothes for that weather. I called it off, presuming it would have been miserable. Rain definately could have been used to my advantage though, I did think of that. I have a few new targets that need exploring too. Theres a nice big RV backed up to a fence that lines a chunk of forest =D. Tell me that doesn't sound promising. Exciting. Reply With Quote diminished.to.me

Re: Night Ops IX I want to just put an idea out here, and I don't want to step on anyone's toes, because I know secant's been good to us, but he's very hesitant to open up the night ops forum at all.
What if I made a new site? I was thinking have a public section of the forum to post experiences and whatnot, and then a private, invite-only section. I could also set up an articles section where members could post their own articles, and other members could read, rate, and comment on them. I honestly think if we were more open with the public we could get more people, but still remain secure.
On the security front, I could keep out search engine crawlers, if we wanted to, and I was also thinking about a post filter that would automatically replace "I" with "he" and "we" with "them" and head each post with "This all happened to a friend of mine." Just for the public forums, and obviously optional, but a way to keep things legal easily.
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Re: Night Ops IX Yeah, rain works very well for drowning out other noise, you also don't need dark clothing as much because of the reduced visibility.
The only thing that would really bring NO back in a big way, would be an operation so large that it made National headlines. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Do I smell a dare op?^^
What would be big enough to be national.. Doing anything that big would automatically label you a terrorist, and with all this fucked up shit about being held indefinately if you are a suspected terrorist. This would be risky as fuck.

I recently saw a news report about what sounded like an extreme night op. During the night, in a forest not far from a road, a man or a few men took down and entire radio tower overnight, undetected. They also took the pieces with them wherever they went, it was just gone. Thats some hardcore shit, and someone maybe did like a string of these types of things, national news could catch on. Im gonna brainstorm some ideas. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX I wouldn't suggest taking anything. I was thinking more along the lines of leaving something. Breaking in and leaving something somewhere is much less illegal than taking something. lol Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Ahhh lol, you made me feel like a criminal right there. I'm so used to taking =\.
But yeah, a string of something left places overnight would be awesome. Dozens of people would have to do dozens of ops, sneaking into highly secure areas, and leaving something obvious, and uniform every time.
Eventually it would make the news, if that happened it could even become a real movement if there was enough coverage.. With the way the world's looking today, nothing would make me happier. Think about it, it would be almost revolutionary. A flame of dissonance in our highly monitored society.
Sorry, I'm being way over-optimistic here, but you know, gotta start somewhere. I would be all for something like this. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Regarding a new forum, what's wrong with a single post format for now?

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Re: Night Ops IX Yeh it'd have to be something huge. Simply leaving a card in some random place isnt going to draw much attention, albeit alot safer. But then all the shit im thinking is illegal/felony/"terroristic". It'd have to be a no-holds-barred type of thing, and it has to be worth alot of money. Something like a bank robbery during the day that no1 knows about.......
https://www.totse.com/community/show....php?t=2159122
^this is why everyone must wear a mask Last edited by wolfy_9005; 2008-09-14 at 21:12. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX That thread is stupid. Everyone should already know to wear a mask anytime they are doing any kind of operation. If not, they deserve to be caught.
I was also thinking more along the lines of leaving large quantities of something. Like hundreds of cards. Or mice. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX MICE ftw.
I only posted it for the newbies who dont know wether to wear a mask or not(common sense isnt common....especially on totse)

I can see it now.......5000 mice released in every wal-mart store in the USA.......hehe
2008-09-14, 23:19 Psychlonic Psychlonic is offline Regular
Default Re: Night Ops IX Fun ideas, but none of them are really night ops, yeah? The whole idea is to draw as little attention as possible, and leave as little evidence as possible. Just a reminder. Reply With Quote Psychlonic

Re: Night Ops IX No1 is gonna think someone broke in to release a crap load of mice, now are they?
Not really evidence, and you dont leave dna on a mice Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX And suddenly the tiny matte glow of hope I had for this topic has just blackened out again. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Quote:Not really evidence, and you dont leave dna on a mice That's not night ops. Any time you leave the place with any recognizable differences from before(unless you're stealing something), it's not Night Ops. If you do steal something, they either A) Should not notice it for a while, or B)Have absolutely no idea how you did it.
This is part of the reason I think it would be good to have a more open community. A standard

definition, more open help and whatnot. Not being open about our activities, but more open about the methods, psychology, and philosophy behind it. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX A night op, is an operation or mission which takes place at night. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Psy, come on MSN when you can. I keep missing you for some reason. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX When somebody can show me a decent post in any of the night ops topics where ANYBODY did something like vandalize the place or otherwise pull pranks (you won't) I won't have a problem with it. The moment a night op becomes "huge" is the moment it's no longer a night op. That's completely missing the point. The idea is to be as low profile as possible. If you want to be famous, spray a swastika onto the white house. That's not night ops, that's never been night ops. I know the definition is loose, but petty shit like that certainly never has been in the definition. Sanity, you should know that by now. If it's not low profile, and not leaving as little evidence as possible, then it's not night ops. When you're stealing, that's technically not a night op either done in the night op fashion it's technically cat burglary - but at least it doesn't deviate from the idea of keeping a low profile. When you're blatantly leaving shit around just to catch people's attention, it's just another bad idea. A joke. This has ALWAYS been the case and again, until someone can point out otherwise, this isn't even an argument. It's people trying to call an apple an orange instead, when it's obviously an apple. If you want to open a topic about being 1337 and spilling rats around, go for it. It'll probably attract more attention than this one. Power to you.
nooner, That's the way it's supposed to be, but lately so few people actually do what they say, that nobody knows the techniques anymore. It's pathetic. Including almost everyone in this topic,

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Re: Night Ops IX Lol i was just messing around, trying to add to the discussion.
Ive got some stuff planned for the next few days. The weathers pretty nice(it's not raining and blowing a gale anymore). Just a few training runs, just to get back into it, probably just go to my old training grounds and see what i can and cant do stealthily anymore. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX I was just saying that is the only thing I see actually bringing NO's back into the mainstream. Not saying we do it. Although, I do believe that still would constitute a NightOp. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX DK, what the hell man lol. I'm been working lately, but still. I never catch you online for some reason. I've got what I need.
I find it an interesting coincidence that the moment I become especially interested in night ops is the moment everyone else scuttles away from the scene instantly like rats. The forum flat-lined recently. It's actually amusing. I might just have to continue to show enthusiasm until night ops either regrows or is put out of it's misery finally. Either way works for me.
2008-09-19, 22:00 nooner nooner is offline Regular
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Default Re: Night Ops IX Hang around, man. The community's gonna come back. I'm almost ready to comfortably again, and I'm gonna have a whole new neighborhood available be a good time. Reply With Quote nooner

Re: Night Ops IX Anyone have any tips on how you can easily spot black people in the middle of the night? Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Quote: Originally Posted by thorazine50x View Post Anyone have any tips on how you can easily spot black people in the middle of the night? Yeah, just keep an eye out for floating TVs. Next question. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Holy fuck there is still a Night Ops thread in here?

Psychlonic I can't beleive you are still here, fuck man lol. I still have 'the way of the shadow' buried in one of my archived hard drives somewhere.

I quit Night Ops years ago, infact I pretty much quit Totse. I come back once every couple of months to stir shit. lol.

Anyone reading this thread, and you are the kind of demographic that is into "Night Ops" (those of us over about 20 just call them shenanigans, usually when full of bourbon, and stealth is pretty minimul), take my advice, use your juvenile status to have fun. Get caught once, maybe even twice, then get out before your record fucks up your life. But in that small timeframe before you are 18 you can have so much fun you wouldn't beleive. Lol I used to steal shit, I probably earn in a week now the equivilent of everything I stole in about 18 Months of NO, so just go out there to have fun.

Fuck lol memories Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Yeh. I look back now and realize i cant do anything even remotely illegal....or im screwed if i get caught Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Quote: Originally Posted by wolfy_9005 View Post Yeh. I look back now and realize i cant do anything even remotely illegal....or im screwed if i get caught Don't get caught. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Hypothetically, theres a night ops happening tonight involving me and another, i will post later as to how it went Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Quote: Originally Posted by Psychlonic View Post DK, what the hell man lol. I'm been working lately, but still. I never catch you online for some reason. I've got what I need. Lol, I honestly thought you were avoiding me for some reason but all good. I'm 15 hours ahead of you, remember. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Quote:Psychlonic I can't beleive you are still here, fuck man lol. I still have 'the way of the shadow' buried in one of my archived hard drives somewhere.
I quit Night Ops years ago, infact I pretty much quit Totse. I come back once every couple of months to stir shit. lol.
Anyone reading this thread, and you are the kind of demographic that is into "Night Ops" (those of us over about 20 just call them shenanigans, usually when full of bourbon, and stealth is pretty minimul), take my advice, use your juvenile status to have fun. Get caught once, maybe even twice, then get out before your record fucks up your life. But in that small timeframe before you are 18 you can have so much fun you wouldn't beleive. Lol I used to steal shit, I probably earn in a week now the equivilent of everything I stole in about 18 Months of NO, so just go out there to have fun.
Fuck lol memories Man I never really got out of it, granted I do more money oriented jobs now (see my story a few posts back), but night ops is pretty much dead. Kids these days can't see the value of doing things the way we did/do, instead it's all about walking around in a hoodie with a backpack on and busting through windows like an ape, then bragging to everyone at the party what they did. They just can't fucking grasp it I guess. Anyone I try to explain the concept to anymore generally responds with something like "Oh, you mean Urbex." It's hard to explain the difference if you weren't around in the old days, but there's certainly a difference you know? We had codes to adhere to, we practiced our skills more, I mean back in the day everyone was fucking hardcore. We didn't "take only pictures", we didn't take any cause it was evidence, and we didn't "leave only footprints" either. The perfect night op never happened. That was the fucking rule. If you weren't part of the night ops community, you didn't know about it. Simple as that. Maybe the gap in generations is to blame? Anyways, haven't seen you in awhile either lol. You can't tell me you don't at least THINK about going back out there... Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Haha do I think about going back there? Man it's hard to say yes because the risks are just too high. Like you're probably in the same boat as me, most totseans from our era are now in their early to mid 20s. I have almost completed my degree now, I have a job which pays shitloads of money for doing something I love. I have a beautiful girlfriend, motorcycles and cars, high standard of living etc.
Someone on totse once posted "if you're not a rebel when you're young, you have no soul. If you're not establishment when you're old, you have no brains." I always hated society during those years and I wanted to destroy it, now I still hate society but I'm going to rape it for all I can instead. It's like a different kind of stealing, lol, the establishment is treating me too well right now for me to want to rock the boat.
It's Ironic because most of the people that society would consider successful, like myself, fucking hate society I am an electronic engineer, you know why I chose that major? Because I wanted to know how to bypass alarm systems, lol. Now I put them up. If my 16 year old self could see me now he would probably try to stab me. But then again, back in those days my life truly did suck, aside from TOTSE anyway. Totse caught me mid-fall and then rebuilt me into something greater than the average sheeple could ever hope to become, or even understand.
If NO is truly gone that is indeed a shame, we laid a great foundation for them. Like I said I'm an engineer, fuck you know what we would have done back in the day to have a true electronics expert helping us out :P
Just for those who weren't there and to give you some idea, back in the day when I was teaching myself to lockpick (a skill which I am still rather handy at if I do say so myself) I knew you could buy the picks online, but I knew that that could be traced so I spent weeks learning how to make them from locally available materials. I bought those materials and all the tools I needed only with cash from about 10 different stores from all over my city over a period of weeks so that nobody would ever suspect my true intentions. I never ever handled my picks without gloves, even if I was sitting in my room, because if I ever left one behind by accident I wanted there to be no evidence. And on the subject of gloves I used to periodically burn them just because. And I remember I used to sand the tips down so that the leather pattern wouldn't come up in any fingerprint dusting ) I painted them matte black (no easy task with the resources of a teenager, I had to teach myself a lot about painting, just for one tool!) so that they would never reflect any light. Most of my tools I actually stole so that there wouldn't be on any security cameras purchasing things like a wrecking bar (The objective of quite a few of my ops was simply to acquire more NO tools).
Haha good memories, but yeah the main aim was to be like a ghost. If you were on recon you weren't even there. If you were executing the op there had to be NO WAY it could ever be traced back to you. Like I said I used to steal shit so they were always going to know someone had been (the rest of the community used to frown on people like me, lol, saying NO was about exploration not theft) but for me I had to make sure that there was no possible way the best detective in the world was ever going to even have a clue who did it, let alone find enough evidence to convict. And I'm talking no forensic evidence, no witnesses, no cameras, no nothing. That's not to say everything always went to plan, there were a handful of times where you had no choice but to leg it, but for the most part we were Sam Fisher, Snake and Garrett all at the same time (which, if you people are wondering, is where this login came from if you don't understand the reference you don't play enough video games).
Ahahaha I had to come back and edit, yeah all the training we used to give ourselves. Remember the discussion on training routines? Bodyweight exercies and the like, I trained for months before I could pull myself up onto a ledge or over a wall using purely my upper body strength. Months

spent learning how to pick locks, how to bypass alarm systems. I remember reading technical manuals on how shit like movement sensors and shit worked. Haha oh god, I remember doing drills on how to walk quietly. I once snuck under a house on a recon mission to find out where the beams were located so that when I did the op I wouldn't step on any creaky floorboards.
That was the most beneficial thing about Night Ops I think, all the shit you learned whilst doing it. The Ops were fun, but the preparation and training and education that they gave you, they were the things that stick with you. Last edited by Garrett; 2008-09-21 at 04:45.
2008-09-21, 04:19 Garrett Garrett is offline Regular
Default Re: Night Ops IX Oh and if any prospective oppers are reading this, trust me when I say there are two golden rules.
1 - You do not talk about night ops. 2 - You DO NOT TALK about night ops.
Yeah I stole it from fight club, what of it :P but yeah back in the day most of the time when people got caught it was either a) they made a tactical error and got pinched by the man or b) they couldn't keep their fuckin mouth shut, word got around and before you knew it everybody knew who did it. The third most common reason was people who operated in teams got fucked over because one of the team wasn't taking the shit seriously, or someone in the team talked about it. Note that if someone in your team talks about it, sooner or later people are going to know what you get up to, which is the reason why I never worked in teams.
When I say you don't talk about it, I mean exactly that. You should never ever physically speak aloud anything about night ops ever. Not to your best friend who would die for you. Not to your crush who you're trying to impress. Not to your parents, your cousin on the other side of the country, not even to your fucking pet cat.
I never used to publish most of my ops even on totse because I strictly believed in this rule. And I never got caught. I have a record of course, but I never got caught when Opping.
The third golden rule is that when you get a big enough record or when you turn 18, i.e. when you reach the stage when you get massively fucked over and not just slapped on the wrist when you get caught, then it's time to stop. Arrogance and Carelessness are the enemies of a successful Night Opper. Reply With Quote

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once, because there was a sensor we didnt know about before hand, but luckily i saw it(they werent paying atention).
That said, keep your eyes open, always watch your 6, and abort if something doesnt feel right(you all know what i mean) Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Oh I know all about the fucking boat lol. I'm almost 22 now, but I still manage to get in plenty of ops even though I'm working and training almost every day down at the gym. To be honest, when I was younger I did it to get things I simply had no way of getting otherwise. I got fed up with the bullshit and just started going kleptomaniac on my entire state. And back then it was cool cause I finally had all this shit everyone else was running their mouth about and it felt good. It also made me feel above my classmates and shit in a way cause I knew I could flip their shit upside down if I really wanted to in a night. Now, I've got pretty much everything I could ask for, but being older I feel caught in "the system". Night ops reminds me that I can unplug whenever I choose to, if the desire ever strikes me, and go around the system. It's dangerous, possibly stupid, but it's just as good a feeling knowing I can do it now as it was back when I was a teenager. And now that I've had all sorts of fun training, along with my current MMA training, it all just fuels that old sense of superiority sometimes. Never to an extent I underestimate my situations, but there's really not a lot that worries me. Alarms, I can get around them. Locks, I can get through them. Rambo wannabes, unless they're heavyweight MMA vets I'm not worried about it. Cops, same deal and they better be extremely fucking fast if they want to catch me. I probably sound mighty big headed, but that's how it is. If I ever get caught in the act, it'll be because of some weird random ass occurrence I have no control over. But this all comes back to the difference between then and now. Then, again, it was to get shit that I actually wanted for myself. As far as selling shit goes, you're either big time or you're small time. There is no middle ground. You're either not making enough to make it worth your effort, or you're sitting fat. I don't pretend to be in the latter. Realistically, you can only grab so much value in a night, and it can take a lot of time and effort to resell it all. Finding a safe full of cash isn't realistic, unless you break into a drug dealers house (guilty of that) but they've also got the big time/small time problem going on. The idiot in the trailer ripping off kids who give them $60 then run is probably stealing cigarette butts from porches and isn't going to have a single penny on him. So believe me, I once thought I'd try to get good enough to be busting into serious shit, and I feel I confidently could, but the point is if you're not going to go that far, don't get into burglary. Not worth it. Get some cool shit while you're young and call it a fucking career on that. Last edited by Psychlonic; 2008-09-21 at 08:45. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Last night was a success, first op ive done in over 2 years
To be honest, my part wasn't active, i'm essentially training a successor
I sent him into a yard with 3 spotlights and a triple bolted garage(all with locks, Duh) and didnt look at the house Im sat outside waiting for him to set off a spotlight 2 minutes go by, no spotlight, about a minute after he appears beside me, carrying a big fucking case (like a metallic silver toolcase) and in his bag theres a dremel tool, some other stuff and a spare set of keys to this garage
I had totally expected him to fail that, i was sat there in shock, i'm showing him lockpicking etc, hes getting the hang of it slowly (didnt we all)
However, i feel because of his success last night that i'll do a few more op's in the future just for the kicks and thrills..
(my kicks and thrills came when i broke into a garage with a Jag and a guns cabinet, which i am returning to at a later date for some.. inspection)
The above post is a hypothetical story written in first person, and all that junk. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX I am planning a night op where I am going to go all around town and vandalize and steal McCain signs. I'm still looking at all the locations and aerial photos. But, any tips help, and these threads help a lot when it comes to the ops. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Quote: Originally Posted by Illuvatar View Post To be honest, my part wasn't active, i'm essentially training a successor Heh you know, all of us that've been doing this for awhile should have a competition. Only instead of actually doing it ourselves, we train an apprentice of sorts and have him pull something off. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX The whole "apprentice" thing is fun, but i can honestly say that there have been just as many times where it turned around and bit me in the ass as times that it's actually been of benefit. If you start training others up, trust me, there will be negative consequences as well, so i'd suggest having some sort of a safety in place.
That being said, it can be loads of fun helping and watching someone experience this other side to things for the first time, it really does bring back the memories. as long as you keep one thing in mind - it's always best to lead through example. Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX I haven't exactly gone solo all previous 9 or so years I think I mentioned the failures of my friends in the old night ops topics and even in Way of the Shadow. But that's the fun of it. You prevent them from fucking up. You show them the ropes, then sit back and observe them. You show them through example that your way is superior, so they don't fuck around and try to do things their way (which new people almost invariably try).
I REALLY hate to use this as a comparison, but Splinter Cell. A new guy in night ops is a lot like a new player to Splinter Cell. They get tired of the sneaking around and so they start rushing and get fucked over. Same thing happens all the time in night ops. The person gets fed up with it and tries to just mosey along hoping nothing will happen. Except in the shadows, what can go wrong will go wrong. Last edited by Psychlonic; 2008-09-21 at 17:18. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Holy crap, I had given up on this thread. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Man... I wonder. When I go out alone at night, I get this feeling of being scared and alone, if I have no one to talk to. Is there any way to discharge this feeling?
2008-09-21, 20:30 SLice_760 SLice_760 is offline Regular
full of win Send a message via AIM to SLice_760 Default Re: Night Ops IX Quote: Originally Posted by Soap Radio View Post Man... I wonder. When I go out alone at night, I get this feeling of being scared and alone, if I have no one to talk to. Is there any way to discharge this feeling? Bring a partner on your ops, then start going on solo missions. Reply With Quote SLice_760

Re: Night Ops IX Quote:Look at it this way. When you are out, you aren't alone. You are watching the entire world go by, without them having any knowledge of you. They're alone, you know where everyone is. You have control over yourself, and no one else. How often can you really, honestly say this in the light? Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Since this thread brought back quite a few old timers, I might as well post.
Stumbling upon Totse had a positive impact on my life. Totse itself did not teach me much (due to all the dumb shit that goes on here) but it gave me initiative to go on ops as well as learn a few vital skills from many other sources. First of all, I started learning how to pick locks. That's probably one of the best thing I have ever spent time learning. It can help you in so many ways and not just on ops. Over the years I have gained confidence that I can get myself out of almost any situation by applying skills I learned in the field. This gives me the upper hand on over 95% of people. I am also interested in survival and I have learned many things that can help me with that during ops. Who knows what can happen and what life can throw at you. I am ready for anything and I have a good chance of making it through.
I have gone on ops with friends but I almost always go by myself. I like being in control and not have to worry about someone else fucking up. Whatever you do, DON'T tell anyone about this hobby. Just because I took them with me once or twice doesn't make them eligible to hear what I have done in the past or the fact that I've been doing this for years. It shouldn't matter for them and it definitely does not benefit you. Most of my friends know I lock pick as a hobby. Most of them know I'm good with getting past things. They don't need to know anything else. The only people I talk to about this are Psy and a few others online.
If you feel "scared and alone" it's because you are not confident enough in your own abilities. Work your way up to a comfort zone. Only experience will help you here. Also, get in better shape. That helps lots.
PS: I'm hoping Psy's new guide will get more people interested in this hobby. I will be writing the lock picking and bypass section and I am going to make it simple enough for your average newbie to understand. It's a vital skill that more of you should be good at. Last edited by sam_fisher; 2008-09-23 at 14:23. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX ^^ All great ideas. A quick question.
Quote: I have gone on ops with friends but I almost always go by myself. I like being in control and not have to worry about someone else fucking up So damn true bro, i always feel as if its my responsibility to watch over them. and some don't take it as seriously as others.
When on an op should i wear my glasses. Now I can pretty much see ok without them (can't see writing far away) But do i want to risk missing something in an op. What if they fall off? Ruins the ski mask? I could do without but i want to know your opinion. Contacts are a no go because my eyes react bad with them.

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Re: Night Ops IX Quote: Originally Posted by Pandoras Assassin View Post What if they fall off? Ruins the ski mask? Tie on a piece of string and loop round your head, and wear them underneath the ski mask .. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Quote: Originally Posted by scovegner View Post Tie on a piece of string and loop round your head, and wear them underneath the ski mask .. Ok, so ur saying that wearing them would be better then leaving them behind. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Quote: Originally Posted by Pandoras Assassin View Post Ok, so ur saying that wearing them would be better then leaving them behind. As long as you can afford to lose them .. I'd just think it'd help a great deal if you needed to concentrate on far away or close things (not sure if you're long sighted or short sighted) Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Oh ok, I have/had a bad astigmatism and had my eye patched like a pirate to help the other eye get stronger when i was like 6. And i have such a rare astigmatism the glasses are like 200+ So i guess I really can't. I kind of doubt that on an Op. That I'll need to read something far away. That is if i'am not gathering info. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Wear them. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX I'm interested in getting into night ops but since its getting near winter time I don't know if I will be able to, what is your guys opinions on opping in the winter?
Also, what kind of shape should I be in before I start? I'm in decent shape as it is but I want to know like how far I should be able to run, how many push-ups, sit-ups, etc.
And another thing, what would you consider to be a good city for opping/what is your city like? My city has about 150000 people and its about half rural, half urban.
2008-09-23, 16:52 sam_fisher sam_fisher is offline Regular
Default Re: Night Ops IX Wear your glasses, and like others said tie a string to them. Careful you don't scratch them and extra careful when light hits them. The last thing you want is a nice reflection off them.
Opping in winter is no problem if you can handle the snow, cold weather and lighter landscapes (due to snow). I would not recommend this for someone that's just starting out. Op after the snow melts and before a new snowfall. Any city is good for opping. What kind of question is that? As long as you can get profit out of it, go op the shit out of it. You will just have to adapt. You should be able to carry your own body weight well and have plenty of strength and stamina. This is not

WoW. You don't have to reach Muscles lv. 43 in order to go on ops. That being said, start working out on a daily basis. Here are a few questions for you: can you realistically outrun someone while carrying gear? Can you outrun them after you have been opping for a few hours and you are tired? Can you beat someone that's decently strong down in a fight? Can you pull your body up over a fence or wall with gear on your back?
Sorry if I seem like in a bad mood, that that's because I am. I also dislike dumb questions. Reply With Quote sam_fisher

Re: Night Ops IX As some of you probably know, I haven't been active in the scene for a good while so tonight I decided to ease back into the night with a simple op. I would post photo's but for some reason I can't find the CD that had them, so you'll just have to imagine. Itr was raining most of the time.
The target: a nearby school. Adjacent to the school is a public park, and there's a canal that runs along the side of the park and through the school, dividing the school equally in 2 halves... if you can imagine that. The one section of the school is mainly just fields and sports buildings and is public access. The half on the other side of the canal is the 'main' part of the school and although they're pretty cool with people walking around on weekends, on weekdays/nights it's locked up. I didn't see any need to bother with serious gear so I just went out at around 8pm (fully dark though ) in dark blue jeans, dark green jersy, black crocs, a dark blue jacket and fingerless gloves. Other than that I had my AAA Minimag, a folding knife a compact pair of binoculars and my glasses.
I went to the edge of the canal and considered my options for getting accross. I could simply jump in and climb up the other side but there was about a foot of water in there and I didn't really feel like getting wet. There were 3 small bridges, but each had a large gate heavilly fortified with spikes and barbed wire, making it virtually impossible to safely climb around. I thought about going all the way round to the main gates and simply walking/sneaking in unnoticed, however I didn't feel like walking all that way. From where I was standing I could see quite a lot of activity around the main school buildings which would make it a bit of a problem to get too close. I walked a bit further along and saw that I could probably just walk to the road and get in via the groundsman's house behind the swimming block. The gate was open and I walked right in and behind the pool changing rooms was a gate. Quite rusty and probably seldom used so it made a lot of noise opening but luckily the rain/wind drowned out any sound.
I walked all the way back along the other side of the canal to the same gate I was at earlier and made my way up towards the pavillion overlooking the field. Many big houses back onto the actual school grounds with little or no fencing/walls stopping people getting in. I thought about checking out some yards but since it was only about 8:30 I figured it was too early to risk. I carried on up until I was pretty close to where all the people were until I could go no further since there was no more cover. I guess I could've simply walked through and acted as if I belonged there but wasn't really in the mood. I made my way back to the gate I came in but this time wasn't so lucky going through unnoticed. The groundsman was standing outside talking on his phone and saw me, clearly not too happy with me being there. I just acted all cool and asked him if the gate was open, he opened it and I dissapeared fast before he could get off the phone.
Pretty boring in all, but enough to get me back in the mood. More to come. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Quote: Originally Posted by Psionicist View Post Haven't seen you in a while, welcome back. DK or myself? Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Well, I don't wear ski masks often. My trademark is a black stocking cap and sunglasses. Sometimes I may go full out in a ski mask, though. Reply With Quote

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comment you made elsewhere. Or maybe it was V-Tek. And we talk all the time.
By the way, it's amazing how many people overlook their physical conditioning. It's not completely required, but it goes a long way. It's not just hauling and fighting capability either. The stronger you are and the better cardio you've got, the more capable you are of performing balancing moves quietly. This is really critical if you're right next to a house and trying to climb a creaky ass fence. Believe it or not, it can take serious stamina to slowly go over certain objects just right. You can't just donkey kong vault the fucking thing and expect to be quiet. Also, guerrilla drills. Having a fighters workout here can seriously pay off. All the running in the world won't prepare you for a spotlight evasion scenario where you have to crawl like crazy on the ground to get out of view. Your entire body has to be conditioned. To anybody serious about staying in night ops, conditioning is your insurance policy. The more you put into it, the safer you're going to be. It's common sense that the more you go out, the more likely something is to go wrong. Sooner or later, you will need to be in great shape. I believe HARDMAN some years ago ended up getting exhausted from a foot chase and had to climb a tree as a last ditch effort, and the cops ended up seeing him because of his white socks or some craziness. Weird shit just happens, you have to be prepared.
Pandora's Assassin, Go to your drug store and get what's called a geek strap. Basically it's an elastic band that attaches to the ears of your glasses and wraps around the back of your head. It'll keep your glasses firmly attached to your face. You're risking reflection issues with glasses, but at least you yourself can see better. Seeing is the best way to prevent falling into bad situations in the first place. Last edited by Psychlonic; 2008-09-23 at 22:37. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Quote:I may be wrong, but i don't seem to remember you from the forums.
Damnit Psychlonic, i keep looking at your posts and thinking "when the hell did i post that?" until i actually read the username. It seems every time i glance at it, i keep thinking it's mine. Somehow, i should have thought about that one before making this totse handle. fuck. Last edited by Psionicist; 2008-09-23 at 22:40. Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX That's because I use different names. I'm biohazard on NON. Either way, I didn't post much. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Ah, that one definitely rings a bell. I'm Therin over on NoN incase you didn't know. You were active for a while on the old site, correct? Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX I suspected you were him because of your location.
2008-09-23, 23:09 sam_fisher sam_fisher is offline Regular
Default Re: Night Ops IX Quote: Originally Posted by Psionicist View Post Ah, that one definitely rings a bell. I'm Therin over on NoN incase you didn't know. You were active for a while on the old site, correct? Yep, till I got fed up with all the bullshit. Reply With Quote sam_fisher

Re: Night Ops IX Apparently this is everyone's night off. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Haha, i deliver Had the apprentice out sent him on a separate mission, just to scout the area, for gardens with grabables, possible garages, contents info preffered, what else to grab.
(i know! garages, not the greatest place in the world but i've found enough shit to have me convinced ill stick with them while i get back in the habit + theyre great teaching places)
He comes to me after 20 minutes with info on around 50 garages/sheds/workshops in like a 15 block area
detailed notes aswell, like lock types, security lights, silent alarms, contents (from cars to tools to fridges full of beer etc)
He found one place growing pot, which he shew me, admittedly this is a fucker of a job, its a converted shed but nobody lives there, theres about 9-15 plants growing and theyre starting to bud. He wants us to check it out a few times then grab when he's hanging it THoughts?
+ where is everybody tonight.. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Ola sinor, I am here ese.
Garages are awesome targets. Because most are so close to homes, be prepared to run/fight if you have to. Tools sell for lots (and they can be useful to you if you are into mechanics, etc). Booze is sometimes found in garages (yeah I already know you said that). Check back on the weed regularly and grab it when it's drying. Man what I wouldn't do for free buds... Reply With Quote

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Haha, i deliver Had the apprentice out sent him on a separate mission, just to scout the area, for gardens with grabables, possible garages, contents info preffered, what else to grab.
(i know! garages, not the greatest place in the world but i've found enough shit to have me convinced ill stick with them while i get back in the habit + theyre great teaching places)
He comes to me after 20 minutes with info on around 50 garages/sheds/workshops in like a 15 block area
detailed notes aswell, like lock types, security lights, silent alarms, contents (from cars to tools to fridges full of beer etc)
He found one place growing pot, which he shew me, admittedly this is a fucker of a job, its a converted shed but nobody lives there, theres about 9-15 plants growing and theyre starting to bud. He wants us to check it out a few times then grab when he's hanging it THoughts?
+ where is everybody tonight.. You guys know dealers? Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Quote:Quote: Originally Posted by sam_fisher View Post Yep, till I got fed up with all the bullshit. Lol, i'm amazed that we had enough people stay to keep the site going, although our activity level now is something of a joke. I don't blame you. Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote

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To me, the site activity level is not important. What bothers me is all the talk that is never backed up. Stupidity doesn't help either. Too many kewls that have never been on an op in their life and still talk about it like they know everything. There are people (*cough* evil_0ne *cough*) that are FULL of shit and piss me off to no end. I offered him to meet up with me and try to fight me - of course, no reply. Nano vapour and like 500 pushups, yo. He would have no problem kicking my ass if he is as strong as he claims to be. However in reality I would rake the pavement with his teeth.

In conclusion, almost all the people still on the site are kewls. 99% at least. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX I stole a few bikes and sold 2 of them for 50$ already(stole Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Quote:
In conclusion, almost all the people still on the site are kewls. 99% at least. including you Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Yep, because you would really know. But let's not get into flaming, it's a waste of time on my part.

2008-09-24, 21:25 TheLegendaryLocke TheLegendaryLocke is offline Regular
Default Re: Night Ops IX Hey you started it... Reply With Quote TheLegendaryLocke

Re: Night Ops IX If you have something useful to contribute to this topic, please go ahead. Looks like tonight is everyone's night off yet AGAIN. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX why are you here anyways if 99% of opping is kewl? LOL Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Talking about nightops.net. And the PEOPLE are kewls, not the hobby itself.
Actually I am trying to see if there are still any ACTUAL oppers here on totse. It's sort of a last resort thing, but either way it doesn't matter if no one else is interested. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX My op tonight was boring, I found a little opening to a house, I planted a camera there so I can get more info of them... didnt go inside since im a newb and dont want to mess it up, I think Ill break in when I get more details of who lives there and will check tommorow. I got 2 boxes of coke lol from the garage lol... Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Planted a camera? Sounds pretty fucking kewl if you ask me. Reply With Quote

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found that walking on the very edge of the road where soft dirt, vegetation and decomposed matter take over is much more quiet than walking on the surface of the road directly. I even made up a little mantra that helps me remember this: "On the fringe, minge!" This is a big basic. Another reason you want to do this is so you don't leave your footprints all over in the middle of the road for people to see. When maybe two people use the road, they'll definitely notice. On night ops I try to flat out avoid soft dirt and mud altogether for this reason. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX well in some guides it tels me to keep a camera in their garage so i did it... how is that kewl? kewl is fucking raiding that place spotless... Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX You're an idiot.
2008-09-25, 09:49 Borknik Borknik is offline Regular
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Re: Night Ops IX Interesting Borknik. I would kill for infrared vision, nobody would ever.. be able to sneak up on you. I just wonder what side effects it could have on the other side of your visible spectrum. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Quote: Originally Posted by Borknik View Post http://www.mindhacks.com/blog/2005/0...iet_might_.htm Fixed link. Interesting find, but I think you would have to eat a shitload of supplements for weak results. Not worth the time and effort in order to see IR. Buy a nightvision monocular instead. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Quick question. Nightvision.
Cheap(er) NV. Is it even possible? Goggles are a big +. But if there is nothing else binoc's are cool too. Is there anyplace to get NV for like not 600 million dollars.. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX http://www.g4tv.com/attackoftheshow/...ision_Cam.html
Check that out. CVS cameras are like 30 bucks I think, LEDs are cheap as fuck, too. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX I suggest staying away from things like night vision on ops. It doesn't help any, it just slows you down and adds a useless item to your arsenal. Pack the essentials.

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Re: Night Ops IX Quote: Originally Posted by sam_fisher View Post I suggest staying away from things like night vision on ops. It doesn't help any, it just slows you down and adds a useless item to your arsenal. Pack the essentials. I agree with this except under one condition, get a night-vision monocular scope, it's light and can be very useful, more so than people tend to believe. But, no one wants to lug around NVG's, especially if there is any light, and you have to take them off and put them on constantly, or if it's hot out and you are already wearing a mask. Reply With Quote

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Anyway, what would some of the older members think to setting up a meet up in the next year or so? it's an idea that was being tossed around for a while in the past, but from what i understand most people got all paranoid about it. Personally, i know the difference between security and paranoia, and i really don't give a shit about the latter. i know how to keep myself safe, but that's just my opinion. if there were enough people interested, it wouldn't be that hard to find a campground for a week, pack up some tents and take a little trip. Ideas? Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote

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Re: Night Ops IX Quote:2008-09-26, 21:05 TheLegendaryLocke TheLegendaryLocke is offline Regular
Default Re: Night Ops IX sam fisher is kewl just as i expected... Reply With Quote TheLegendaryLocke

Re: Night Ops IX Actually, he's been with night ops for a number of years, and i've heard quite a bit of good about him from almost every experienced opper who knows of him. Not to say that you don't know what you're talking about, as NVG's have their place in opping as well, and like any other tool have their uses.
Remember, flaming is what destroyed the totse night ops threads, let's actually keep this one going a while, shall we? Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Sure Im cool with not flaming. In about 2 hours Im gonna check out this other church that is hella close to my home... I might break the glass to see if there are any open doors. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Haha not many.....
NV has it's uses. Say you need to pick a lock on an exposed door, but you have no other choice. It's easier to use NV then to use a torch.
Most of the decent versions are big and clumsy and so arent suitable. But if you can get a monocle or the cvs camera version, then it shouldnt impend too much on your initial loadout.
Thats why recon is important, so you can decide what you do and dont need for the same result. Less is best if you dont need the rest. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Not looking at anyone in particular, but I'm pretty damn sure sam_fisher would know the importance of nightvision if he needed it, and I'm willing to bet he's a better lock picker than

everyone in this thread, myself included. I've never actually needed it for anything I've ever done. I've taken equipment along to make certain things easier, but hardly because it was necessary. In fact, I prefer never to use it if at all possible as it develops dependency on it and will destroy your natural nightvision as soon as you use it. Sure, a monocular only affects one eye but one eye blinded can still be pretty bad in a low light situation. So you have to either go back to the monocular or sit there and wait for your eye to readjust to the darkness. I'll give pitch black woods an exception here, as yeah you can't see a damn thing, but in reality that's more of a special case than a regular occurrence for most of us.
As for a meet-up, I would if I had the free time. I've been way too busy lately. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX ^ yeh i know(ill assume your looking at me.....since you brought up the lockpicking bit)
Someones gotta keep this thread alive, or else it's just gonna die like the rest of them have.
But NV should only be a last resort anyway, because if you get caught that can be a pretty expensive loss, and their pretty fragile. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX No, not you specifically. Pretty much everyone addressing sam_fisher and pre-empting those who might. Granted, he's got the kewlest fucking name in this thread but he at least knows a few things. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Hey guys, looking for some equipment opinions here.
I was tooling through this site and I was wondering opinions on tactical vest and hatch gloves.

I like just the straight MOLLE vest for the versatility of being able to add and adjust pouches as necessary: http://www.copsplus.com/prodnum3282.php
Of course, that means I need to buy pouches separately.
As far as gloves go, I liked these: http://www.copsplus.com/prodnum4916.php
Thoughts? Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX you don't need to break stuff, that's loud and a big hole in a window is both dangerous to climb through and very conspicuous. buy a simple lockpick set, it's actually very easy to teach yourself how to get most pin tumbler and any single-sided wafer lock.
And for the nightops thread, i know this isn't too crazy, but here's my story. I went down to the boatlaunch in my dark colored clothing bringing nothing but my lockpick set and my usual 3" pocket knife. I looked around and no one was up- it was like 1-2 am or so. I knelt down in front of the metal container in which people deposit 3 dollars in an envelope to park their boat trailer there for the day and began to pick the lock. I opened it almost immediately, emptied it of envelopes, locked it back up, went to my truck, and drove away casually.
1) this could not have been done without a lockpick set. It wasn't a master lock; it was a mounted pin tumbler lock and therefore could not be cut.
2) Nobody saw me (to my knowledge) and therefore the container wasn't necessarily robbed. Who knows, maybe people didn't go frequently that week or just didn't pay (and then a day passes and another envelope or two gets put in before the parks department checks it).
3) #2 means I can rob it again, and probably again, and again.
I made nineteen dollars and my lockpick set paid for itself that night (I own the southord 5 pick set with the easy pickings book- 5 picks might seem like a poor selection but i only use two of the picks and the wrench, anyway).
cheers!
2008-09-27, 13:42 mr_whackamole mr_whackamole is offline Regular
Wisconsin, USA Default Re: Night Ops IX oh, and i'm big in to bringing as few things as possible. a small light, a small knife, my lockpick set, and a backpack for loot if applicable- remember, one advantage on cops you have is that you

can run faster and farther wearing less crap. do you really need a tactical vest loaded with shit? no, you don't. I can sneak silently into a garage with my lockpick set, loot, and then get the hell out locking the door behind me. No one ever KNOWS that I was there..
by the way, what the hell would you do with a MOLLE vest? And the gloves would only burden me as i need bare hands to pick locks. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Not to sound elitist, but load bearing vests are something you should stay away from until you're pretty experienced. They come with their own special problems that, looking back on my ops, I realize it takes skill to negate. Even the tightest LBV is going to bounce around a little if you run, and the fact the pouches stick out means it's more likely to snag on shit or catch up in narrow entries (like a window). I occasionally have the dumbest problems you'll ever hear about, like scooting to the edge of the roof to drop off, only have the back snag on the overhang causing me to have to untangle lol. That sort of stuff rarely happens, but hey sometimes it does. Also, chances are you won't need the extra gear one can keep at your fingertips until you're at the point you're going into higher security areas. The standard novice equipment goes something like flashlight, multitool, maybe a knife. You can carry this shit in your pockets or in a single small pouch. The standard high security loadout adds a compass, space blankets, and other gear you'll need to detect and avoid sensors to the list. But it's all light, so it's not like if you get caught up in a chase you're suddenly trying to run with a hardware store strapped to your body. It's just a matter of adapting entry techniques and crawling methods to make up for the vest. But if you aren't going into places that require these things, why take them? If I could fit all my gadgets into some magical miniature multitool and carry it in a pocket rather than all across an LBV, I'd be more than happy too.
End of lecture.
As for MOLLE shit, it's definitely quality, but it's a bit expensive. I personally wouldn't bother, but it's preference. One cool thing about it is you'll be able to put the pouches in exactly the right position. It's important that your arms don't brush against the pouches, nor do the pouches impede your ability to crawl. It also means you better make damn sure your pouches stay attached. Last edited by Psychlonic; 2008-09-27 at 14:36. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX I have had an ongoing battle in my mind on what clothes to wear on ops near my house. The dark jeans and camo longsleeve have served me well. I live in a suburban neighborhood, with lots and

lots of woods around , this is why it's so hard to make up my mind. They are severe contrast from each other. The neghborhoods (where most of my targets are)have big solid colors where Blacks, blues and Dark greys make you invisible in the dark(My friend was once walking upright about 20 feet away from me, the only way I knew he was there is because he told me he was walking at that spot a minute earlier) My woodland camo longsleeve is definately a little lighter then the solids, and the erratic pattern does not quite match up to the neighborhood environment unless I'm near bushes or other plants (where I usually hide in neighborhoods), where it works great. And in the forests it helps tremendously. I know I'm overthinking this, but I haven't had a chance to op in about a month and I've been trying to prepare myself in the meantime. Now since the solids make me near invisible even on the move, and the Camo makes me near invisible in hiding, I'm guessing that the best compromise would be very dark woodland camo. I've been looking all around for a degree as dark as I want but I cannot find any that suit my wants.
But as I said I know I'm overthinking this, and any other suggestions on what to wear in such a contrasted environment would be greatly appreciated. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Quote:cheers! I have the southord 9 pick set....which 2 do you usually use? I'm trying to learn my way around these. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Quote:My snake rake actually broke so i actually just single-pin everything now with the hook or use it to

rake single wafers. it's the only one you need (obviously besides the wrench)

so yeah, if tl/dr, i use the hook and the tension wrench exclusively with great success Reply With Quote

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The gloves I am planning on opping with, any recommendations? Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX LOL last night my op was boring so I threw a rock and shot my bb gun at some guys in a garage I saw on my way to the church. It was teh lulz I shouldve mugged them too but I didnt wanna risk getting shot... Reply With Quote

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My snake rake actually broke so i actually just single-pin everything now with the hook or use it to rake single wafers. it's the only one you need (obviously besides the wrench)
so yeah, if tl/dr, i use the hook and the tension wrench exclusively with great success This guy sounds like he knows what he's talking about, although i'd give anyone new to lockpicking this bit of advice. Before you start using the s - rake a ton, start out with the hook and the half diamond. As it is, these should be pretty much all you need for 95% of your lockpicking. The reason i suggest starting with the half diamond instead of the s-rake is simply because it's a lot easier to use when you're first learning. The s-rake is nice once you get a bit better though, because you can use some other techniques with it as well, like (obviously) raking and jiggling.
Like he said though, you can pretty much do everything you need to just with a basic hook, but the half diamond just strikes me as a lot more maneuverable, especially on smaller locks. Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Quote:As for a meet-up, I would if I had the free time. I've been way too busy lately. That is true, if used regularly, but, for seeing certain places that even with your regular night vision you can't see, it's a hell of a lot better than taking chances with what might be in that dark spot you can't see. Also, you're right about the woods, no one really goes through woods to reach a destination now-a-days, unless you live out in the rural areas. Reply With Quote

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Quote:I used one once, just to test it out, but it restricts movement too much for my preferences. For recon it's a valuable tool, as you can store small things in an easy to reach place, but they usually have too many/too much room, but for up close and personal recon, a simple backpack or just some cargo pants are more valuable.
Remember, always balance flexiblility and agility with loadout. Ideally it will be easily removable, snugly fitting without being restrictive, and large enough for your equipment, and maybe some loot.
If you need more capacity for your equipment, your carrying too much.
2008-09-28, 08:15 Illuvatar Illuvatar is offline Regular
Glasgow, Scotland Send a message via MSN to Illuvatar Default Re: Night Ops IX Quote:And to fishers garage to house distance issues We scout the garden& the lights etc around the house, usually i'll get the protoge to stick to ones a decent distance from the house (big gardens in the surrounding neighbourhoods Reply With Quote Illuvatar

Re: Night Ops IX I'll be damned if kewls trying to use choppers to pull off heists and make EMP bombs are going to send night ops into the second page. Bump. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX I went out recently, but I was ill-equipped, and there were too many lights and too much human

activity. I failed hard. It is better to go on foot to your destination rather than in a vehicle; one less thing to worry about, and you're more in tune with the night. As the distance between you and the target area increases however, it becomes more of a problem to go on foot alone. anyone else have this problem? Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Park your car like 2-3km from the target, preferably at a friends house.
Only drive if it's like 100-200km away
Closer ops, say 20km can be accomplished with a bike
Even closer, say 5km, is best on foot Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Borknik, what your next op should consist of is looking for empty areas to park at night. Unused parking lots, undeveloped (still have trees and shit in the middle of it) lots, anywhere you can park your car with the lowest chances of anybody coming across it by accident or seeing you enter and exit the vehicle. You can even do this in the daytime if you don't want to make an op of it. Looking at aerial photographs can give you some areas to look around as well. Parking is, in my opinion, the most important phase in a long distance operation. It can make or break everything. A car can't jump fences and hide, it's always gotta move along easy to follow routes so it cannot draw suspicion. Whenever possible, I like to take mine completely off-road into undeveloped lots or otherwise areas I don't realistically see anyone stumbling into. It might also be worth your money to buy a camo net if this can work for you. Your parking zones should also have easy routes to and from either mission objectives or clear pathways that are easy to use, such as tunnels, gorges that might cut through the town, rivers, etc.
I avoid parking behind buildings unless I know them really well, because even if they're empty and unlit, you simply never know if there's a camera that can see you. The last thing you want to do is put yourself on camera both in and out of mask, not to mention license plate. Before anyone says it, covering your plate is a dumb idea. It just screams "pull me over".
However, I fully advocate shutting the headlights off when I'm entering my parking area. If there's no ambient light, wait for a second and use the parking lights to guide you in.

Finally, if I'm out to liberate stuff and am using my car without a driver, all of these parking zones come in handy. You should also just locate any out of the way dark spot for drop off zones. These give you areas to drop loot off hidden, then come back real quick with the car, load up, and head back to where ever you process loot. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Going on foot is definitely the preferred method. if the distance is farther, a bike would do nicely but only if you have the stamina. hunting around for an inconspicuous place to park a car sure sounds like a pain in the ass.
And I could make the argument that if you can't ride a bike 10-15km in complete darkness then you aren't fit to call yourself a true 1337 operative, only a pudgy wuss. but that's another story.
Hmm, it seems like this thread is dying down a bit in activity. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX For something like 20 km I would defenetly drive. I can bike it, but I'll be damn tired when I get to my destination - plus I would have to bike back another 20 km. It's funny, I can walk at a fast pace for hours without getting tired but when it comes to biking I start to get tired after 7km or so (last time I checked).
Come to think of it I drive to most my ops unless I'm going out within 5-6km from my house. I park about 2km away usually. The place has to be fairly dark, lots of cover and have more than one way out of there (larger parking lots). Also if there are some other vehicles around (that have been left there overnight), they are a big plus. Makes yours stand out less. As others have said, it's VERY important that people don't see you get in and out of the car. I also check that it isn't illegal to park there, because getting your shit towed would really REALLY suck. Reply With Quote

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Why don't you elaborate on the "story" for us, oh this pudgy wuss business as well. I can't help it if Last edited by Psychlonic; 2008-10-01 at 11:03. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Getting kinda quiet in here lately Nothing new to report =/ Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX I was going to go out sometime before friday but I decided to leave it for the weekend instead. I'm quite busy these days and I need more than about 3 hours of sleep to function.

2008-10-01, 15:28 Psionicist Psionicist is online now Regular

Boise, ID Send a message via AIM to Psionicist Default Re: Night Ops IX Went out last friday with a partner and it sucked ass, i'll write up the whole thing when i've got more time. Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote Psionicist

Re: Night Ops IX Quote: Originally Posted by Psionicist View Post Went out last friday with a partner and it sucked ass, i'll write up the whole thing when i've got more time. Cool can't wait to hear about that ass sucking. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Quote:Why don't you elaborate on the "story" for us, oh 1337 one. And pray tell us about what prompts this pudgy wuss business as well. I can't help it if I prefer proven efficiency.
I think you took my post a little to seriously, but I'll admit I was running my mouth a little. you outlined a very sensible plan for the use of automobiles on ops, and it makes sense. I however am more of a bicycle person, and that's translated over to night ops nicely for me. I have done a few things with the use of a car, but nothing major. I wasn't trying to attack you with that post. I actually was sort of joking, but I guess it wasn't a very funny one. I assumed that the usage of "1337" would've made people realize that. There is a story behind it, and that story is a really long bike ride I took one night to get somewhere. exiting or what?
Recently however, I've been reexamining my near total reliance on bicycles for ops. this reexamination started after that mess-up, which I talked about two posts back. and since then, biking doesn't seem to be as good of an option. I got to thinking; what's more suspicious at night: a car going down the road or a person going down the road on a bike? the answer seems to be the latter.
I don't really know how to end this message, so I'm just going to say I was being dumb, and I meant no offense. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Quote:Recently however, I've been reexamining my near total reliance on bicycles for ops. this reexamination started after I realised I have never been on a night op, which I talked about two posts back. and since then, biking doesn't seem to be as good of an option. I got to thinking; what's more suspicious at night: a person sitting at home posting on totse or a person going down the road on a bike? the answer seems to be the latter, so I'll just continue to stay home.
I don't really know how to end this message, so I'm just going to say I am being dumb, and I am 1337. Just kidding. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Quote:Recently however, I've been reexamining my near total reliance on bicycles for ops. this reexamination started after that mess-up, which I talked about two posts back. and since then, biking doesn't seem to be as good of an option. I got to thinking; what's more suspicious at night: a car going down the road or a person going down the road on a bike? the answer seems to be the latter.
I don't really know how to end this message, so I'm just going to say I was being dumb, and I

meant no offense. I would say neither.
I have often been out between the hours of 1am and 4am and have had people bike/drive past me. I never give them a seconds thought, and if I did I would just assume they were biking home from a party/work.
That said, I would never give them too much attention. I suppose if a more thorough onlooker noticed you and saw the/any gear you had on you it may look a little odd - but nothing to arrouse too much suspiscion. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX So anyone do anything recently? Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX I've been checking out some huge mansions being built in our most expensive neighbourhood. It's the best area you could imagine for recreational opping but it's pretty far, and without a car, I'm sunk. The guy who owns this particular one being built owns 14 in the area, each worth $23m.
The thing that amused me the most was that I simply walked onto the site, told the guy in charge that the owner of one of the other companies said I could walk about and photograph the place. This was the truth but no one stopped me, asked who I was or checked any info - and why would they? People only know what you tell them. What's stopping one doing this to other mansions being built, going inside, rigging the alarms/CCTV etc and leaving? When the rich fucks eventually move in and fill it with a fortunes worth of nice stuff, I'd have carte blance to do as I please. And because all these houses back onto mountain/vineyards/dense forrest, getting away would be a total joke.
I'd post pics, but I can't upload them from my phone for some reason. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Right, got 'em uploaded.
Main gate and security post from house:
http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/3...ure0097qv1.jpg
Front of house:
http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/178...ure0096kk4.jpg
House and security post from bottom of garden:
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/974...ure0103aw1.jpg
Back of house:
http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/1...ure0094tv0.jpg
Outside perimeter fence:
http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/2...ure0098zq9.jpg
Aerial photo showing property and surrounding woodland:
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/8746/kmzd6.jpg
As you can see, the property has some pretty heavy security. 12 foot walls, soon to be fitted with another metre of electric fencing and spikes, motion sensing floodlights, CCTV (most likely) and a 24 hour security guard. So yeah, rich bastards are pretty protected so I might just give this one a miss...
However, as you can see, the property is surrounded by dense woodland and a fence that can easily be cut/dug under. I could camp out in that area and cut a hole in the fence at the far end of the garden and I'd be far enough from the house/security to be unheard (especially if I chose a windy/rainy night) and the tennis court and trees would be a perfect cover. Even if I managed to get onto the site while it's still being built and sabotaged the alarms/lights they'd more thanm likely have the whole system tested before moving in.
So even if I get onto the actual property, what then? Sounds impossible? How would you guys attempt this? Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Rather than sabotaging, I'd say just make an exact map of where all the security measures are located. Everything's got a hole.

It's tough, but doable. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Remote control for the lights/security systems? Maybe rig it so you can turn them on/off as you please
2008-10-06, 07:10 Cuntbag Cuntbag is offline Regular
North Bergen, NJ Default Re: Night Ops IX Is it worth investing $500ish in a pair of night-vision goggles?
I am fairly new to night oping and I am getting better but I regularly find my foot caught or tripping over because I cannot see. Reply With Quote Cuntbag

Re: Night Ops IX Quote:I am fairly new to night oping and I am getting better but I regularly find my foot caught or tripping over because I cannot see. No. Ever actually tried moving with them? It's really hard. They won't give you much in the way of peripheral vision, so you'll still end up tripping on stuff. Plus, they'll dull your sense. They're mainly for high specialized situations, not an everytime kind of thing. And I wouldn't buy them unless the situation that called for them would immediately and without question repay my $500 investment.
That said, we can help you fix your tripping problem. Try to break down how you walk, and describe it.
I've found the ideal way for me to walk(I'm a pretty average 5'10" 170-something pound male), is to keep a good flex in my knees, and every time I step, make a concious effort to lift with my thighs and get my feet clear off the ground. When I step, it's in a semi-circular arc, both vertically and horizontally. That is, my feet do a half-circle inwards and outwards laterally, while traveling in an arc opposite to the ground.

When I put my foot down, I keep my weight on the back foot, letting the outside heel of the stepping foot hit first, slowly rolling down the outside of my foot to the toes and transfering weight gradually to that leg. Than I repeat the process all over again for the other foot.
This may seem rather complicated to read, but if you get the gist of what I'm saying it's very good. Knowing how to walk properly and quietly is important.
Also, when you're running, especially when you don't know your environment that well, get your knees up high, move your feet off the ground, and stay up on your toes. This will improve your speed and make you less likely to trip. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX The rule of thumb when purchasing equipment for night ops is simple. Purchase only what you know will pay for itself in some manner. If you're asking whether or not you need something, you don't need it. If you're going for the op of a lifetime that you'll never forget, then sure bring along your absolute best. But just starting out, hopping yard and checking out curious object, you don't need anything elaborate. If you truly need something, you'll know you need it.
By the way, I've got a question to anyone who might be knowledgeable. Let's say I recently ran across a small out building with a sign that said "Warning! Chlorine Gas!". What might this be? This is a first. I believe the building could possibly be some sort of processing deal with a waterline. The reason I ask though, stupid as it sounds to be suggesting one go into a chlorine gas filled area, is I see the chance to potentially procure some materials for personal use. I've got MOPP gear, so I can deal with the gas. My question, to anyone who knows (in other words, no baseless guesses cause they're worthless), is what's causing the chlorine gas and whether or not it can be contained for transport and storage.
My current guess is that it's simply chlorine containers and as the building gets hit by sunlight, prehaps the sign is there just in case vaporization occurs. Last edited by Psychlonic; 2008-10-06 at 14:16. Reply With Quote

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waterline. The reason I ask though, stupid as it sounds to be suggesting one go into a chlorine gas filled area, is I see the chance to potentially procure some materials for personal use. I've got MOPP gear, so I can deal with the gas. My question, to anyone who knows (in other words, no baseless guesses cause they're worthless), is what's causing the chlorine gas and whether or not it can be contained for transport and storage.
My current guess is that it's simply chlorine containers and as the building gets hit by sunlight, prehaps the sign is there just in case vaporization occurs. Is it anywhere near a pool? Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Nope, middle of nowhere. Brick building, steel door, definitely looks like city property which is what leads me to believe it's for treating the waterline. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Probably just a water treatment thing as you said. Chlorine can be a bitch if you dont have the right mask/filter for it.
If it's just tanks of it, you might be able to open the door, then have a friend cruise past on the far side(away from people) with his lights off and put them in the back then drive off. Maybe make it look like he's chucking a piss, heaps of people just cant be stuffed finding a toilet/decent tree. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX How comes the night op's threads never get stickied
Also, havent done any productive ops in a couple of weeks, all have been fruitless
My protoge/trainee nearly got caught the other night, it was really funny, ill post it later when ii can

be arsed Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX How close was the construction? That might actually work to your advantage if you can get up close, simply because it would cover your noise. But you probably know what's best so whatever you think needs to be done, go for it.
I'll be checking out that mill tomorrow night if everything goes as planned. No ETA for hitting up that brick shack. It's not going anywhere though. Reply With Quote

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I'll be checking out that mill tomorrow night if everything goes as planned. No ETA for hitting up that brick shack. It's not going anywhere though. The construction people had these flood lights, didn't mention that, I could've gone around but, I'd prefer not to risk one of them going for a piss break and seeing me or just seeing me in general.

Also, there's a middle school near by, I went there when I was younger, I could look into it.

2008-10-08, 11:32 diminished.to.me diminished.to.me is offline Acolyte

Default Re: Night Ops IX http://dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.3395

Looks useful, but a little big.

Btw Im opping tonight, recon on a building walking in and out with shopping carts but Reply With Quote diminished.to.me

Re: Night Ops IX heh, no tips or stories, but i was on the original night-ops post some 4 years ago. i can't believe its still going.

does infrared still post?

five says he killed himself. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX I was on a few of the night ops posts from back in the day, albeit not as a regular opper. This brings back a lot of memories and has motivated me to at least scout a few areas with a view to opping again! Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX I was opping on a building site near to me two nights ago I was gutted to find nothingwas left around, except for a hacksaw and fuck that ive got dozens, however the build quality of the place is amazing and theres some fantastic views (i might return for pics) a few more op's to come, i've found several places and i've got the getting in, out and running away bits reasonable well planned Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Question for you guys. I'm planning an op for tonight and one of the routes I can take to/from the job include railroad tracks. Now, I've never taken tracks on an op before and I am wondering if this is a good idea. I would imagine the chances of being compromised are significantly lowered while taking tracks and I think I should be able to feel/hear trains coming. Is this a good idea or should I stick to backyards/roads?
Edit: I'm also worried about homeless hobos, as they are quite plentiful in my area. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX i dunno if you get any other kind of hobo other than homeless
Anyways, assess the situation, How close is this to a residential area? How close is it to a tree line Can you exit or enter it at almost any point Do you know of any CCTV?

you will definately hear a train coming, and by the time its a hundred or so yards away you'll see it and they travel alot slower in residential areas.. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX It's pretty much right in the middle of a residential area. Good thing though, there are trees on both sides the entire time. I hope I can enter and exit at the whole time, the brush is probably pretty thick so that may suck. But again thick, tall brush is good to hide in if needed. I don't know of any CCTV, highly doubt there is any. I'm going to have to go through a few backyards, then about 300 yards of open field to even reach the tracks. Any advice on staying undetectable in open fields? Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Taking train tracks is a very good idea if your not an idiot. There is virtually no one around them at night, you can easily hear a train coming. Definitly do take the train tracks and u shuld be able to hear all incoming trains, just take cover till they pass. If you do decide to cross a dark field at night just wear relatively dark clothing and stay low. Last edited by Wats Doing Boyz; 2008-10-17 at 00:48. Reason: Men Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX In fields, keep low when running, stay out of or behind the any light. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Anyways, i was thinking it's about time we got this made into an official post, so i had a few thoughts
We should all start listing our tips for each area of opping e.g. what to op, if your stealing what should you steal, base equipment, partners, lock picking, climbing/scaling walls fences and buildings, stashing loot etc and well compile it into a few giant guide posts at the beggining of the next thread
(Physch i realise the way of the shadows a FANTASTIC quick reference guide, but most people are too lazy to read all of it and just want a post to read etc, i figure the more the message goes out about opping the better)
Also, sorry if this isnt coherant, oxy trip
2008-10-17, 23:43 GD! GD! is offline Regular
Default Re: Night Ops IX i know, noobish , but what's the main difference between night ops and urbex?
(I don't want to read threw 22 pages) Reply With Quote GD!

Re: Night Ops IX Not sure on this, but night ops is intended to gain something(wether information, something to sell, etc) and urban exploration is simply exploring for the sake of exploring(or curiosities sake) Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Wolfy hit it bang on the head
Urbex (urban exploring) is getting into places that are abandoned or your generally not supposed to just for the thrill of it or to see the other side of the proverbial fence, sometimes i'll just take photos if its anything paticularly nice (e.g. a view froma half built aparatment complex)

Night ops: is a diffrent art form, like car shopping, but with houses, garages, construction sites, places you generally aren't supposed to be, with the intent to gain something from the trip (which will range from a can of soda to a $400 toolkit a daft contractor leaves around) Reply With Quote

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breaking into a place, just because you could, not to steal or look kewl. Urbex people generally take lots of pictures and talk about it to other people.
Another main difference is that Urbex people like to go for abandoned structures, where NO people enjoy frequently used places, mainly for the thrill of being undetected.
Dark [Black] Ops was about stealing, whether cash goods or information.
tl;dr: Night Ops is not about stealing, It's about Exploration, Urbex is about Exploration, But, in different forms. For the main purpose of this thread it is "dark black ops", which is why in this instance we specified intent to gain. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Quote:Psy: seem to have lost you again. Get on when you can. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Quote:Psy: seem to have lost you again. Get on when you can.
haha, i hope dark black ops doesnt catch on To me its just night ops (SEE THREAD TITLE FOOLS) :P Its weird getting fast responses on this thread Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX (Black Ops != Night Ops && Dark Ops == Black Ops); Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Quote:anyways, if you've got any good tips and methods for anything ops related, please post them, we wanna make a mini compendium (well i do anyways) for the next thread Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Quote:anyways, if you've got any good tips and methods for anything ops related, please post them, we wanna make a mini compendium (well i do anyways) for the next thread How did I contradict my last post? I stated the it was Black [Dark] Ops.. And in any case, I'll make a few tips and what not, sounds good.
2008-10-18, 16:14 Pvt Joker Pvt Joker is offline Regular
Default Re: Night Ops IX Quote: Originally Posted by Mr. Black View Post All the bold words you spelt wrong and I corrected. still incorrect words in there Reply With Quote Pvt Joker

Re: Night Ops IX I'm going on an op tonight, my first one. I figured I would just go around in peoples sheds and garages looking for valuable stuff, then maybe head over to some construction sites and explore. One problem is that the temperature is going to get down to about -5 tonight (about 20 Fahrenheit ), so, any tips on what I should wear? something that will keep me warm enough but won't restrict my movement too much. Anyone have any tips for opping in cold weather? Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX usually, i'll wear a dark gray longsleeve and a black or dark gray hoodie, that keeps me plenty warm as for trousers, try to wear something thatll give warmth without restricting movement or reflecting light black tracksuits, jeans under another pair of dark trousers
black and dark clothes are not a neccessity, they just make blending in alot easier Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Quote:black and dark clothes are not a neccessity, they just make blending in alot easier Also, a good idea for blending in is maroon shirts, they are virtually as invisible as Black or Grey and if a cop catches you, the will be more lenient that a person wearing black, since red is less suspicious. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX I'm thinking of going on an OP tonight, mostly looking in some sheds I have scouted out. How hard, though, is it to get into garages? Are there any ways to possibly pry garage doors open or something? Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Quote: Originally Posted by Illuvatar View Post Psych i realise the way of the shadows a FANTASTIC quick reference guide, but most people are too lazy to read all of it and just want a post to read etc This I have recently concluded and is my reasoning for lowering my activity on the scene in general. People want to bust into something, post a god awful question, then are content with only that answer. There are no quick answers in night ops, there are far too many things to consider. Everyone looking for the quick answer is just going to get busted. That's all there is to it. If nobody is willing to put some time into learning, I'm through with putting time into teaching. It's not that I feel above anyone, I simply can't stand the gimme gimme attitude and the laziness. So I'm through. Fuck it. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Okay Guys, here's the deal. Night Ops is not about breaking into places, and posting it on the internet for fame, it's not about breaking into someones place to steal shit and make loads of money, and it's not about you or me or anyone, that can be explained.
It's about being completely and totally invisible.
You are supposed to enter into the place, and leave knowing that when the people who own that place come in tomorrow, they won't be any-the-wiser that you were there.
Sure, it's O.K. to steal stuff, but, taking 5 or 6 computers or large amounts of money, or even a souvenir, completely destroys the point of what Night Ops is all about.

And making a dumbed-down F.A.Q. completely destroys another key aspect of what Night Ops is, about learning and adventure. Making an "Idiots Guide to Night Ops" so that people can get the basic facts and go out and steal shit, leaving evidence, is like making a "Lazy Man's Guide to Quantum Physics". Sure they learn a little bit, but, they do not get the complete package.
To this day, me and Psychlonic are both still learning, always trying to improve our techniques, striving to better ourselves, to be completely invisible. It's why he named his Night Ops document "The Way of the Shadow" not "The Way of the Clumsy Buffoon".
And it deeply depressed us to know that the kids of today want to do these things without gaining valuable knowledge from the experience.
Night Ops is not your tool to fame and fortune, and until you learn this, you are without hope. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX This all seems pointless when you get a job and earn what you night op in a month in about a day or a week. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX :P i have a job, Night Ops is a hobby, a thrill.
Well then, i guess were just going to have to write the entire encyclopedia on ops.
I've got all the time in the world to put down my tips, my details, experiances, techniques, how i do stuff, how others do it. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Quote:2008-10-19, 07:39 Glasgowsweeman Glasgowsweeman is offline Regular
notse.net(DECEASED):(:( Cool Re: Night Ops IX Hey, new Opper here; read way of the shadow- loved it, mad props to the author! Now I want to try it for myself I have assembled a Kit which consists of: Black rain coat Leeds united like skully kind of thing 2 pairs of Latex Gloves Small torch black shirt to wrap around face.
It's assembled and hidden. I am thinking of going car shopping, now I am waiting for the first possible chance to get out at like 3am. Reply With Quote Glasgowsweeman

Re: Night Ops IX Y'alrite weeman? what part o glesga ya frem?
In other news: just make sure nobodys watching you when your out from windows etc, thats a big nono, try not to look suspicious, only wear one pair of gloves, the more you wear the more likely they are to break Last edited by Illuvatar; 2008-10-19 at 09:35. Reason: Can't even write my own native toungue, im retarded Reply With Quote

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It's assembled and hidden. I am thinking of going car shopping, now I am waiting for the first possible chance to get out at like 3am. Dont use a rain coat, they make you sweat and make a distinctive sound when you move. Ideally you need a knife, maybe a flat-headed screwdriver, but most car shoppers dont worry about tools. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX I went opping last night. Got out around 12:10 AM. Loadout was boltcutters, knife, small flashlight, water, spray paint with mask, backpack, ninja rocks, and a watch. I was wearing a black hoodie over a black underarmour long sleeved shirt, some black sweatpants, thermal underwear, black socks, ski mask, and blue and black nike basketball shoes (couldnt find my boots). Was about 55 to 60 degrees.

Started off well, made my way out of the house. Was pretty dead silent, not much going on. I made my way and was around 1/2 mile from my home when a dog would NOT shut the fuck up. Barked for a good 3 minutes or so while I was resting in some woods nearby and then the owner in the house opened the garage door with a flashlight and started looking around.

I circled the woods and got past there momentarily. Next thing that happened was around 12:35 a car spotted me. The person got out of the car and started walking towards me and got on his cell phone. I dashed back across the street and hightailed it until I was about 200 yards from my home. My legs were on fucking fire and my head was bleeding from running through the woods. I had also lost my flashlight (lol).

I was walking back to my home when I saw some blue and red lights and yes, the person had called the police. I was fucking pissed because I had to jump into some neighbors bushes and lay on the ground for a good 10 minutes until I sprinted the rest of the way home. Got back around 12:50.

Was a pretty shit op all in all. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Quote:Started off well, made my way out of the house. Was pretty dead silent, not much going on. I made my way and was around 1/2 mile from my home when a dog would NOT shut the fuck up. Barked for a good 3 minutes or so while I was resting in some woods nearby and then the owner in the house opened the garage door with a flashlight and started looking around.
I circled the woods and got past there momentarily. Next thing that happened was around 12:35 a car spotted me. The person got out of the car and started walking towards me and got on his cell phone. I dashed back across the street and hightailed it until I was about 200 yards from my home. My legs were on fucking fire and my head was bleeding from running through the woods. I had also lost my flashlight (lol).
I was walking back to my home when I saw some blue and red lights and yes, the person had called the police. I was fucking pissed because I had to jump into some neighbors bushes and lay on the ground for a good 10 minutes until I sprinted the rest of the way home. Got back around 12:50.
Was a pretty shit op all in all. lol! Fail! im sure you had a pretty good adrenaline rush though Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX I hate nights like that (i just had one!) Some bastard came into his garden to let his dog out while i was on his shed roof(climbing up from the back) i just lay still fo rthe next 15 minutes and called it a night Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX There's an awesome set of trails behind my house that basically connect half the town and are very secluded. I've been spending a lot of time back in there recently. Its awesome when its dead quiet in the middle of night and it feels like you're the only one in the world who's awake. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX First off, i want to say hi. Hi this is my first post, i lurk a lot. anyways, i went on my first op last night. not much, just looking around the neighbor hood. i found some cars unlocked. nothing much in there though. I'm going again tonight though and I'm going to stay out for longer
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Re: Night Ops IX Finally good to see more people are getting interested in the "sport"(what do we call it otherwise? )
Sucks how that guy called the cops. Thats why you have a knife. If he's like "oi kid gtfo the bushes and come here!!" then make a run for it. If he chases, get your knife and shank him. Dont kill him, just enough to make him stop chasing you. Reply With Quote

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Of course, once we could continue on our way again it turned out that a cop car was parked right at our target area, so we had to screw the whole thing and turn around anyway. Not one of my worst experiences, but one of the most annoying by far.

2008-10-21, 19:12 Dent Dent is offline Regular

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It's assembled and hidden. I am thinking of going car shopping, now I am waiting for the first possible chance to get out at like 3am. Get a neoprene skimask instead of a fuckin shirt to disguise your face http://millitarytoys.blogspot.com/20...-neoprene.html

It's good cuz it wont make you sweat and it's light and stays on well Reply With Quote Dent

Re: Night Ops IX yo all, long time i mean a LONG time reader, first time poster.

worst experience would have to be getting caught on ur own window on the second story rolling down onto the roof then the dog starts barking at you, then i raced up into my room bleeding from my leg, then your parents go outside with a bat thinking someone is breaking in..... that op failed before it ever began haha! this was quite a while ago mind you.
A more recent op my "friend" partook in was
Loadout- Black bdu pants Long sleeve black top black balaclava black trainers black gloves screw driver Flashlight trusty knife lock picks
Target: School
i set out at around 1am revising my plan and going through everything just to make sure i know where things were i climbed out my window (not getting caught and falling lol) hung off the end of the reinforced gutters and down to the ground, hopped the back fence into the bush land. i began my treck throug the bush. i reached a main road by 1:16 and darted accross and into suburbia. i headed down back streets to try avoid any unnecessary attention.
I reached a field where the grounds started and got into character. i crouch walked through the field until i hit a chainlink fence, this was around 1:45am i hopped the fence and waited in the shadows by a shed. Alot of the school has lights turned on because the cameras there dont actually feature NV (i learnt this from a teacher who works here, this wasnt my school) This made it easier to avoid the cameras because the lights showed them practically where they all were. i kept my balaclava on just incase. I followed a wall of classrooms which is the main building. darting through the light where i had no option (this only happened twice). Now i had to figure out how to get in. There was a back door i knew of because of recent recon but im not very good at picking locks. i had ago anyway and after about 10 mins i gave in. time is 2:10 i moved around the building trying windows until i found one that was unlocked and peered inside, nothing but darkness. I hit the flash and searched around, i was standing in i think was a science room because of the posters, and headed for the door. The door was unlockable from the inside and i entered the corrodor. i headed down peering into the rooms until i found stairs which led upwards. upstairs i found an office (might have been the headmasters but im not sure) i tryed my luck at picking again and i fluked it. It was a small room with a nice wooden desk and lcd monitor just sitting there. The office had a window which had a nice view of the main road and parking lot. and i checked outside. Clear still. I rummaged through filing cabinets and draws but found nothing of particular use, unless you like staples. i looked out the window again and my heart sank. 2:35

A single patrol car red and blue flashing in every wich way, my first instinct was to bolt but i waited for a second. it drove down into the parking lot, which didnt have a locked gate and exited, it felt like i was frozen. they got out and grabbed flashlights and started looking in the windows. I acted leaving the room and closing the door behind and making my way down the stairs. i could see the beams periodically hitting the hallway, going off, then coming on and getting closer and closer. i waited in between the walls that partitioned the classrooms and went down to the same room i entered in. i opened the window and looked out. they had gone around the building. I exited quietly and closed the window, it was a slide up and down one, this took alot of effort to make it not squeak. I moved again into the shadows and waited, i could hear them talking. This is hard to explain. next to the building is a kind of walk way, but the walk way has raised sides, so i layed down on the side and kept my head forward. The cops walked straight passed me, flashlights still in the windows, i watched them head down the path to the parking lot. At this point i could hear my heartbeat Smashing my ear drums, it was such a rush. the time was around 2:45 i exited the exact same way i came and over my fence and pulled my self up on the gutters and into my room. The op ended at 3:32
Conclusioni could have taken a few things, but i chose not to because i like to stick to the old school nite op law. Im certain there was an alarm in the building, silent kind XD this was my first time opping in a while, this post inspired me again lemme kno wat u guys think
- dax Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX ^+1 acolyte, you have hope yet
Do you know where you went wrong? Did you accidentally trigger a PIR sensor, or did someone see you?
Was the window you went in exposed to homes, or was there a small amount of bush cover+complete darkness to hide you?
But good to see you(your "friend") got away atleast. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Just curious, how many of you go to school or have a full-time job, and of those, do any of you op on weekdays, or just stick to weekends? Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX I work nights, so cant really do any ops anymore :/ Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX i work/school most days and 3 nights a week at abar, so im a pretty busy guyI

I fit it in around my shifts at the bar etc, sometimes i dont, othertimes its 4am or a tuesday, saturday etc Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Quote: Originally Posted by Slaughterama View Post Just curious, how many of you go to school or have a full-time job, and of those, do on weekdays, or just stick to weekends? I go to polytech. I do the majority of my work from home, so I can fit my ops around easily. Most of my ops are on weekends, but I do recon missions on weeknights. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Got to the newsagent and get some cellophane(see through sheet stuff). Get red(duh) and cut a small circle out of it(~2cm bigger then the torch head). Put it flat over the torch head(where the lens is), and wrap elastic bands around it.
It works for a little while. If you can remove the lens, then stick the cellophane on the outside of the lends, so the frame holds it to the lens. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX lol makes sense. i was wanting a proper filter, but i changed my mind. saves a lot of money as well. cheers
2008-10-24, 03:18 Galgamech Galgamech is online now Regular
Here Default Re: Night Ops IX Another thing to remember is hiding in plain sight. Sure you don't want to be seen strolling around the area where some semi legal things may have happened that night, but as soon as someone spots you with your face all covered up by a balaclava or a mask and sneaking through the bushes they are going to call the cops. You are better off just walking down the street normally in SOME circumstances. Reply With Quote Galgamech

Re: Night Ops IX I work 3 nights a week and have just finished school and quite easily fit them around work,school,social things its gonna get harder next year though lol
with the op before, it was definatly a PIR sensor. Planned another one for tomorrow night il let u all know how it goes down.
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Re: Night Ops IX Y would u wear a balaclava?
gee, i wonder what that guys up to Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX If you were spotted doing something illegal you would definately regret not having a mask on. Plus you shouldnt even be seen on an op in the first place. Reply With Quote

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Second of all,a covered face arouses suspicion, a balaclava rolled up to look like a woollen hat is always good, or in winter, scarves are common place so people dont give you a second look.

thank you for your fucking useless post. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX He was addressing the guy above him, and I completely agree with what he said. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Quote: Originally Posted by Psychlonic View Post He was addressing the guy above him, and I completely agree with what he said. I wasn't disputing the need for a mask etc, just that something less conspicuous while would be more appropriate and that, if he got caught, maybe the kid didnt fuckup if he caught due to some fuck turning up at the wrong time, it has to be taken into account. Last edited by Illuvatar; 2008-10-25 at 13:09. Reason: Typo Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Oh, and ive got another series of op's planned for tonight, a few garages, a building site and a few cars that're always left unlocked. lets see how it goes Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Where and when I op, Not wearing a mask definately comes close to the stupidest thing you can do...But in a significantly more populated area, where there is not much cover. I agree, I would definately use social camo for travelling. But once I got close to that target, that mask and real stealth clothing goes on.
Also, GL on your ops tonight Illuvatar. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX If you ever go on a night op with more people than just yourself, make sure you know who you're going with 100%. Last night I went to the Belchertown State School (a huge abandoned insane asylum/low intelligence school in Belchertown, MA) and everything was going swell. Considering we parked in the front entrance which is right next to a police barracks.
Our group of 9 split up into two groups when half of us wanted to go into a system of tunnels and the others were too afraid. We explore the tunnels, meet up with the other half again like 25 minutes later, then make our way to a crematorium. Then one of the people in my group starts getting too comfortable and starts to shine his flashlight everywhere, even the towering smoke stack of the crematorium itself (you can see it from every point on the grounds). Right before the crem is a garage though so we all go to check it out. There was a bunch of tires, lights, n shit in there, nothing interesting so we walk out. As soon as we walk out, a car passing by turns its lights on. We all scatter, hearing that cops refused to chase people into buildings, we all run into another part of the garage we didn't explore, thinking we'd find a way out on the other side.
No, we didn't; turns out the part of the garage we went into were multiple dead end chambers. All 9 of us ran into fucking cages basically, so we all gave up immediately and start getting questioned by the cop with his pissed off cop-friend standing in the background. Luckily he was cool, and let us all go without even a warning. He saw that we were only bored country kids with nothing better to do on a Friday night.
But moral of the story: Know who is a dumb fuck among you, and do not bring them places.
2008-10-26, 14:44 Dark Kaiser Dark Kaiser is offline Regular
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And to the guy above, 9 people on an op? I imagine that would be pretty difficult to keep organised. Last edited by Dark Kaiser; 2008-10-26 at 14:51. Reply With Quote Dark Kaiser

Re: Night Ops IX The loot of tonight: A portable sander A bench sander Another dremel tool kit (beat to fuck) A B&D Drill And a large stanley toolbox full of tools.
Reasonable haul for an hour and a halfs "work" Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Quote:And to the guy above, 9 people on an op? I imagine that would be pretty difficult to keep organised. It worked perfectly the first time actually, it's just having 1 idiot on your team, and you become compromised. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX i always find any more than 2 people total and they become a liability, never listening to each

other etc, assuming they know better, bastards never stick to plan. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Quote:We made rules though for going to the school now, just to lessen chances of getting caught: -no more than 4 people at a time -know for sure who you bring -only go on sundays/weeknights or holidays (preferably holidays) -no flashlights outside (omfg this is the biggest one)
because of the condition of some of the buildings, it's not a good idea to go alone, and a lot of gangs hang out there so it's not ideal to just go with one other person. 3-4 is the perfect party size though. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Winter's coming. Nights become unbelievably cold around here. Im going to tough it out and see if I can make it to my advantage. The way I see it, the chances of someone else being outside at 3 A.M at 0 degrees is very unlikely, giving me more room to operate. Im only assuming but I think cops may be more reluctant to give chase in such weather. My Ops will have to be short and well planned though because there is a large chance I could get frostbite if Im not prepared well enough. But all in all, I think this weather could be more of an oppurtunity then an obstacle. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX This is a suggestion to people who use flashlights in buildings when on ops, take a piece of duct tape [or two] and tape over the light, and take a needle and make just a small hole, enough for a little light to get out.
Flashlights in a dark house are a surefire way to draw unwanted attention. Whereas, a small beam, barely bigger than the end of a nail, will be able to be more descrete. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX what are some good training places? no stealing nothing destructive just challenging in and out type places, construction houses are too easy i did that once its not that hard when people randomly go into construction houses during the day the getting out part stealthy was the hardest for me about halfway through my extract i was like "fuck it, ive already most likely woken all the neighbors might as well just run the rest of the way" Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX http://www.stillhq.com/guns/pictures/magnum_50cal_500.jpg
always carry one of these when facing gangs because its longer than theirs Reply With Quote

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1) Government Water Treatment Facilities -

Noone is there at night, they are almost always locked, so you can practice lock picking, and they have zero security because they rarely keep anything inside worth stealing. is trespassing on government property a federal crime? Reply With Quote AntiNinja

Re: Night Ops IX A good training area/game is just neighborhoods. Go to a neighborhood with a friend or two. Choose about a 2-3 block area. Each start from opposite ends and attempt to locate one another other. Once you locate one get as close as possible without him knowing. Certain rules can apply like, no camping for more than a minute. No running. Or no running for more than a few seconds. Just Small things to make the game as effective as possible in honing certain opping skills. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Quote: Originally Posted by Enrapture View Post That is a good idea, except for the part where someone sees you guys running around in yards and the cops come and your friends/you panic and run. just say you were playing hide n seek Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Quote: Originally Posted by AntiNinja View Post just say you were playing hide n seek Actually works... Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX That's another reason why it's good training. You have to take into account things other than just finding the other oppers. People usually come out of the game with some pretty crazy stories. It's a fun time. Reply With Quote

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Re: Night Ops IX Went on an op a night or so back, the haul was just some powertools
A couple of sanders, an electric plane, drill, a tool kit with some handy glass cutters etc Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Quote:2008-11-02, 11:43 diminished.to.me diminished.to.me is offline Acolyte
Default Re: Night Ops IX Lol, could work if you dont have a knife or lockpicking tools on you. Or anything else suspicious. Reply With Quote diminished.to.me

Re: Night Ops IX Quote:Get it? You either write a really fucking good and believable story or you are a fucking ninja... I think he could be a author or pro ninja one day Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Me and another Tostean are about to go on a Night Op together, I'll post the details of how it went when we get back... Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX So... how'd that go? Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX i was begining to wonder that but i was too lazy to post No more stories from me as yet Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Quote: Originally Posted by Sharkbait View Post i was just wondering if anyone could show me where to get a torch with a red filter lens. preferably cheap. thanks. Whats the pros of using a light thats red? Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Quote: Originally Posted by Unbox View Post Whats the pros of using a light thats red? Red light is easier on your eyes to adjust to darkness, white light is bad for it. Reply With Quote

Re: Night Ops IX Well fuck me I had no idea this shit was being spoke about on here, I'm quite new on totse and was just browsing through until i came across this absolute gem.
I've been sorta doing this shit on and off for a couple of years now, never really said anything about it to anyone like. I never would have guessed people other than me were doing this though.
I hope this thread stays alive and stuff. I've sat here and read through the whole bastard thread, fucking quality. Sounds like there's some experienced ones amongst you too. I wouldn't say I'm the most experienced and also the way I've been doing stuff is sort of different from the stuff I've sbeen reading on here (and I'm from the UK - sort of different environment) but in essence we are still doing the same thing.
I'm going to look into a few of the guides on Night Ops that are archived in totse. I haven't op'ed for a while now, probably 3 months or so but after reading through all this I'm definitely back in the spirit.
Would like to know of any stories about when an Op goes wrong. You see I've only fucked up once and that was the last time i went sadly (put me off). See it was like this: I went to this remote farm like propertie once, you sort of got to it through a road that curled steeply downwards under a bridge and then onto the main property. I knew it was risky because of how you had limited routes in and out but there was all sorts there. I'd planned two recon Ops to do first to scout out the area and know exactly what i'd be going for on the night. I travelled lightly obv with it only being a recon. The first one went fine, got a good 15 mins of just scouting about, checking the type of security and the main features of the property. The second one wa splanned to be more serious, and i was confident about it too since the 1st go was a walk in the park. Heres the thing though, was in there no more than a minute when i heard the pounding of what could only have been the worlds largest dog running somewhere not far away lol, it's foot steps were loud as hell. Probably the scariest thing i've encountered. I lost my mind and paniced, ended up just legging it as my mind went blank. I got to a steep grassed bank that went up to the bridge and remember grabbin onto trees to sort of propel myself up the fucker. Once i got to the bridge I headed for trees in the distance and found one to get up. I dont even think the dog chased me up the bank but there was no fucking way i was going near the place again after that, and getting up that bank quickly was the most physically exhausting thing I'd done on a night op. Like I said, it put me off.
Please keep this thread alive, I wanna get back out there... Reply With Quote