This is why I'm glad I live in Australia. Circumcision is not common and we have the hottest women in the world.

As you can probably tell, I'm unmutilated.

-Common misconceptions from idiots-



1.) Being unmutilated makes you more sensitive and you don't last longer during sex.

That can be true. However, you can exercise your PC muscle to make you laster longer AND you get the extra pleasure of extra sensitivity. YOU DON'T HAVE TO CUT OFF PART OF YOUR DICK!


2.) You have to clean an unmutilated penis

What, you don't clean down there? You are also supposed to equally clean a mutilated penis. If you don't clean before a date or whatever, thats your business.


3.) Mutilated penii are less susceptible to STDS and AIDS

Cut or not, you should ALWAYS wear a condom, you idiot. Yes, condoms is not 100% insurance, but neither is your 0.01% less of a risk you have... The odds are *you* will contract the infection just as an unmutilated.... Its just like an extra 3 out of 20,000 that don't.

4.) After you're born, you no longer need your sword sheathed.

How do you like having a smaller penis? Thats right. Studies have proven that being circumcised stunts the full potential your penis to grow to. How do you feel about your parents now?




Female circumcision was deemed as mutilation. There are 3 different types of female circumcision and given, the first 2 are pretty horrific. But one is cutting off the clitoral hood is the equivalent to a male circumcision and yet, the female variant is considered mutilation and illegal!




Real "arguments" people have said in similar threads

(Disclaimer: If you doubt the authenticity of these quotes or you cannot remember saying this, tell me I'll you to link you to the thread in which you said it in)

The people that think male circumcision is comparable to female circumcision are just flat-out retarded.



Cutting off the clitoral hood (the skin covering part of the clitoris), NOT the clitoris itself, is exactly like taking the foreskin off a male.

the clitoris is much more sensitive than the head of a penis. Without a hood I'd be in constant pain from all the friction/interaction.

Hurts just thinkin' about it.

While it is much more sensitive, the end of a guys penis with the foreskin is pretty damn sensitive too. The sensitivity is lost after the recovery period after circumcision for the females, just as males.... Just like the males, the body will get used to it and adapt.

The recovery time is the same for male and female circumcision. Recovery time not just being the pain from getting it chopped off, but the pain from the first initial pain of extreme sensitivity.

And yes, it is excruciating just thinking about it too...





Anyway, getting back to the subject at hand: Luckily in Australia, circumcision in is not practiced like the Americans. To the people who I talk about this IRL, none of them are mutilated. And with all the women I have been with most of them described circumcision as "fucking disgusting".. The other minority had no preference.

Also, in a sex survey that was taken in Australia in 2005, over 75% of women preferred uncircumcised and the same amount of men surveyed were unmutilated.

Only in the US, some African countries and other small misc countries, with circumcision, worldwide you're a minority.




Penn and Teller did a show about male mutilation. After watching it you probably will have a changed mindset.... It also further enrages you towards the typical american female who thinks she has the right to expect a male to be mutilated but won't entertain the thought of cutting off her clitoral hood being chopped off(the female equivalent).

EDIT:

Ok, I even did the leg work and found the Penn and Teller thing on circumcision



Penn and Teller present: Circumcision is bullshit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMlofscJjmQ (Part 1)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1NbfRzHv74 (Part 2)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FflqYpzYzjc (Part 3)


Final words: The sensitivity from your foreskin is the shit for sex..I absolutely couldn't imagine life w/o it. I have a friend who had to get circumcised for medical reasons, according to him, a man who has experienced both has said:


sex feels like its 70% less enjoyable being cut... Having no sensitivity in that area. It doesn't just feel as awesome at climax.

He said that 4 years after he was circumcised. It has now been 6 years and he still says sex for the circumcised is "so unbelievably shit, all the sensations are gone". If you watched those Penn and Teller videos, he is trying that "skin stretching" technique in an attempt to regenerate his foreskin.


tl/dr Before you reply to this thread, read the OP carefully. Don't like reading? Watch the provided video links. However, it is preferable you do both as it will save a lot of time with stupid accusations some may have..

Chafage can be a bitch sometimes.

Unmutilated. Definetely. Much more pros than cons.

This thread has been done over and over

You're just making the poor circumcised americans feel bad about their goomba penors

:(

As a glorious circumsized American, I honestly don't mind it much. Of course, having never known what it's like to have foreskin it's hard to say whether I'd prefer it or not.

I would fucking hate to be cut.

- ♫.i.b.y.v.n.t.h.♫

First of all, move to S&A. Second of all, OLD.

Next,

in America, it is best to be circumcised because all the girls make fun of guys who aren't. /:

Also,


-The American Academy of Pediatrics (1999) stated "a survey of adult males suggests more varied sexual practice and LESS sexual dysfunction in circumcised adult men."

-Masters and Johnson noted no difference in exteroceptive and light tactile discrimination on the ventral or dorsal surfaces of the glans penis between circumcised and uncircumcised men.

-The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) state that several types of research have documented that male circumcision significantly reduces the risk of HIV acquisition by men during penile-vaginal sex.

-The World Health Organization (WHO) stated that studies of three trials provide compelling evidence that male circumcision provides a 50–60% reduction in HIV transmission from female to male.

-Studies have found that boys with foreskins tend to have higher rates of various infections and inflammations of the penis than those who are circumcised.

-Several studies have shown that uncircumcised men are at greater risk of human papilloma virus (HPV) infection.

-Studies have reported a rate of penile cancer from 3 to 22 times higher in uncircumcised than circumcised men.

You failed to include any of those in your statistics so I thought I'd help you out.

Anyways, in America, it is best to be circumcised because all the girls make fun of guys who aren't. /:

American women really need a mindset change. If you actually watched those youtube links (my money is on you didn't) I posted of that Penn and Teller show, they interview the girls on the street. It is a common factor that the girls who don't like uncircumcised guys do not not know what an uncircumcised penis looks like or even what circumcision is. A terrible lot of them just think that a penis is normal circumcised.

Circumcision is for the Jews. A lot of Americans don't seem to like the Jews, yet you practice one of their most sacred rituals.

American women really need a mindset change. If you actually watched those youtube links (my money is on you didn't) I posted of that Penn and Teller show, they interview the girls on the street. It is a common factor that the girls who don't like uncircumcised guys do not not know what an uncircumcised penis looks like or even what circumcision is. A terrible lot of them just think that a penis is normal circumcised.

Circumcision is for the Jews. A lot of Americans don't seem to like the Jews, yet you practice one of their most sacred rituals.

lol...

You're in for quite a culture shock if you actually move to America like you claim. You seem to have a very skewed perception...which is surprising considering we're really not that different at all.

im unmutilated myself

lol...

You're in for quite a culture shock if you actually move to America like you claim. You seem to have a very skewed perception...which is surprising considering we're really not that different at all.

If I do migrate to America, it isn't to find another special someone. Personally at the moment, I feel happy to never be with anyone else again. However, if the unforeseen did happen and I got taken with someone and if they didn't accept that I am not circumcised, they're obviously not meant for me because she will be shallow as all batshit. You see, I'm not about "fucking around" so I won't be with enough shallow girls to probably ever find out.

Some of my other family/friends who live in america claim being uncircumcised is not much of a stigma over there (where they are anyway). My step brother lives in LA, he's uncircumcised and gets laid like nothing else. His mother is a devout Christian and I've always hearing about all these women he takes back to his place.

Meh. All I can say is im glad I dont remember the pain of getting cut. Im glad Im cut though, it looks better IMO than some fucking weird looking hotdog wrapped in a fucking wrapper. And as far as sensitivity, if you avoid fapping for a month you'll be sensitive enough.

And as far as sensitivity, if you avoid fapping for a month you'll be sensitive enough.

I don't have to avoid fapping for a month.

I don't have to avoid fapping for a month.

....unforeseen did happen and I got taken with someone and if they didn't accept.....

Pun intended? Anyways, all the guys in pornos are circumcised. The American girls just want what they see in the movies and are alarmed if they see an uncircumcised wiener. :\

The American girls just want what they see in the movies and are alarmed if they see an uncircumcised wiener. :\

So why exactly do you think girls would be alarmed?

When I was in america 5 years ago (before I was married), I got laid more than a few fucking times. I was over there for 18 months (12 months in LA, 6 months in NY) I went clubbing every other night and I'd say (very) modestly I was with 15-20+ different women.

As we were getting intimate, I told her before she saw my penii situation.

The reactions differed.

Some smiled and said "kinky" and proceeded, others said that they were an "uncut virgin" (or something to that effect). However, While over there, I never got 1 negative reaction.

I'll never forget how often I heard "can I suck it?".

So yeah, from my experience over there, it seemed that all the girls saw it as a novelty.

When I was in america 5 years ago (before I was married), I got laid more than a few fucking times. I was over there for 18 months (12 months in LA, 6 months in NY) I went clubbing every other night and I'd say (very) modestly I was with 15-20+ different women.

As we were getting intimate, I told her before she saw my johnson.

The reactions differed.

Some smiled and said "kinky" and proceeded, others said that they were an "uncut virgin" (or something to that effect).

While over there, I never got 1 negative reaction.

I'll never forget how often I heard "can I suck it?".

So yeah, from my experience over there, it seemed that all the girls saw it as a novelty.

I'm positive it was because of your accent and not because of your cock.

I'm positive it was because of your accent and not because of your cock.

... They weren't grossed out about my penis because of my accent?

Bzzrrrrrrt.


4.) After you're born, you no longer need your sword sheathed.





After you're born, you no longer need your sword sheathed.

"Hark! thou Artless whey-faced swine; Thou shalt sheath thy sword whence battle have ceased, or else thou sword shall become bluntened."



http://www.goldcoastfestivals.com/images/oren/knight%20in%20armor.jpg

"By thy grace of thy Lord one hesitates; ...serfs these days."

This thread gets made every week and unmutilated logic wins every time.

I especially love how all the cut virgins resort to boasting about how girls only go for the cut cock. LOL.

1. you dont whip your cock out when you first meet a girl

2. most bitches shouldnt care

3. those that THINK they care because of what they hear should be seduced enough by the time you whip it out not to care, or even learn that they like it. She's not just gonna put her clothes back on leave because you're uncut.

4. Those that do care? pffft you're already self-owned for dating a bitch like that anyways.

5. they both look the same when hard.

6. As already explained in this thread, it's an american/jew phenomena

My opinion is, fuck you and your foreskin.

Shhh. Let these boys attempt to validate themselves freely.

... They weren't grossed out about my penis because of my accent?

No, the only reason they were attracted to you at all in the first place was because of your accent.

1. you dont whip your cock out when you first meet a girl


Oh... That explains a lot. :(

No, the only reason they were attracted to you at all in the first place was because of your accent.

By that logic, as long as they are attracted to you, they won't care about if you are cut or not?

So why be worried if you are cut or not in the US? A girl will only see your meat whistle if she is attracted to you.

By that logic, as long as they are attracted to you, they won't care about if you are cut or not?

So why be worried if you are cut or not in the US? A girl will only see your meat whistle if she is attracted to you.

I'm not worried about it at all. You're the one who is trying to make it an issue.

I'm not worried about it at all. You're the one who is trying to make it an issue.

When I said "so why worry" it wasn't directed to you as much as people such as Gallows and 0x29A. Although you did say:

lol...

You're in for quite a culture shock if you actually move to America like you claim. You seem to have a very skewed perception...which is surprising considering we're really not that different at all.

Which kind of gave me the impression that you had strong viewpoints on the subject.

its ALWAYS uncircumcised barbarians that start this topic. insecure much? seriously, fuck off. no cut guy cares, and even if he did, theres nothing he could do about it. so piss off, you insecure america-phobic ninnies.

Which kind of gave me the impression that you had strong viewpoints on the subject.

I was merely responding to your statements:

American women really need a mindset change. If you actually watched those youtube links (my money is on you didn't) I posted of that Penn and Teller show, they interview the girls on the street. It is a common factor that the girls who don't like uncircumcised guys do not not know what an uncircumcised penis looks like or even what circumcision is. A terrible lot of them just think that a penis is normal circumcised.

Circumcision is for the Jews. A lot of Americans don't seem to like the Jews, yet you practice one of their most sacred rituals.

Based on just this alone (although you have said other equally retarded things in other threads), I had no choice but to consider your viewpoint skewed.

Did we really have to start this shit up again?

You faggots sure like to talk about other guys' penises a whole lot.


*ObZ

lol this happened at my school not to long ago it was so funny k the group of this so called uncircumcised people are F-1's we had some kid taggin 4sk around the school and shit it really got out of hand...anyways the other group of satanic devil worshippers are C-1's if you can't figure it out your a tard.

Long story short we had big groups of people like going after each other at partys and shit for being an F-1 or a satanic devil worshippers or what have you. We had the cops come in at school and ask if there were new gangs and shit there was even a 4sk face book and the motto was like "togther as one we are a strong 4sk..." or some shit like that.

in America, it is best to be circumcised because all the girls make fun of guys who aren't. /:

I don't have a preference. A penis is a penis. But uncircumsized seems better because it's natural. As long as it's clean, though, I don't care. I'm not going to judge a guy based on whether or not his parents decided to cut part of his dick off when he was a baby.

Unmutilated FTW!!!

First off, im an aussie too, and i've never experienced a 'mutilated' man, but i don't really have a preference atm


Female circumcision was deemed as mutilation. There are 3 different types of female circumcision and given, the first 2 are pretty horrific. But one is cutting off the clitoral hood is the equivalent to a male circumcision and yet, the female variant is considered mutilation and illegal!

The one you described as being the equivalent of male circumcision i have not heard of before; the only female circumcision i've heard of is in africa or somewhere where the whole clit is cut off to make the woman 'pure'.

i think this is what most people think the female version is, no?

I'm gonna go ahead and move this to S&A, seeing as you've actually presented an argument.

I think they have an official thread, so I'll leave it to Jack/Yoyo if they wish to merge or lock.

-deus-

Penises are srs bsness.

-The American Academy of Pediatrics (1999) stated "a survey of adult males suggests more varied sexual practice and LESS sexual dysfunction in circumcised adult men."

-Masters and Johnson noted no difference in exteroceptive and light tactile discrimination on the ventral or dorsal surfaces of the glans penis between circumcised and uncircumcised men.

-The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) state that several types of research have documented that male circumcision significantly reduces the risk of HIV acquisition by men during penile-vaginal sex.

-The World Health Organization (WHO) stated that studies of three trials provide compelling evidence that male circumcision provides a 50–60% reduction in HIV transmission from female to male.

-Studies have found that boys with foreskins tend to have higher rates of various infections and inflammations of the penis than those who are circumcised.

-Several studies have shown that uncircumcised men are at greater risk of human papilloma virus (HPV) infection.

-Studies have reported a rate of penile cancer from 3 to 22 times higher in uncircumcised than circumcised men.

You failed to include any of those in your statistics so I thought I'd help you out.
Cite some sources? In particular, the very last one - the rest of basically worthless, because you should be wearing a condom anyway. 50% reduction is nothing with those numbers.

From a previous thread on the circumcision-reducing-HIV-risks thing:

1.) I don't believe this article is correct. As it itself says, every single previous study found the exact opposite. Also note that this is done in Africa, which is a poor country. I'm willing to bet that most of the test subjects didn't wash a lot, and circumcision does help if you don't wash.
2.) Rizzo, your comparison of circumcision to a haircut isn't valid. That's just a cosmetic change, you have a choice in it, and hair grows back. However, circumcision does reduce sensitivity and is done without consent; and, despite what PirateJoe says:

circumcision ftw.

1) no nasty smegma shit
2) looks better
3) doesn't hurt if you get it as a baby


it does hurt if you get it as a baby, you just can't remember. Babies cry and are mentally scarred for months after.

In addition, I've had smegma exactly once, as a small child. Once I started washing, never again. Looks are a matter of preference, but no girl who's seen my dick has been able to tell if I was cut or not - since they've only seen it erect.

From the last thread on circumcision I posted in:

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The "looks" argument in favor of being cut is ridiculous, as they both look the same when erect. Also note that every non-American girl I've asked has preferred uncut.

There's no health issue. If you wash, your penis will be fine - cut or uncut.

Sensitivity... sadly, it's true that circumcised guys have less of it. The foreskin has special nerves all of its own, and it's there for a reason... to protect the sensitive glans. It's the same reason the clitoris has a "hood"; I don't think anyone is in favor of cutting THAT off, though.

As an uncircumcised guy, I cannot stand to have anything not soft and lubed touch the head of my penis directly. Cut people, however, can stand to have clothing and other rough material touch it. It's not like that when first cut - you can ask people who got circumcised as adults. It just grows less sensitive as it's continually exposed to harsher treatment.

AGAIN, as posted in the last two threads:

"Circumcision is really barbaric. It has no use. The only two benefits I've ever seen mentioned are a.) lasting longer and b.) health/cleanliness. The first is true, but you can make yourself last longer without chopping a piece of your dick off and losing all that sensitivity. I can get multiple orgasms and last for as long as I want; PC muscle control really helps, as well as just plain control over your body.

The second is complete bullshit. If you don't wash, yeah, you're probably going to have trouble; however, this goes for both circumsized and uncircumsized males.

There are no medical benefits (http://www.circumcision.org/benefits.htm) from circumcision, it decreases sensitivity, and hurts like hell when it is done - even if you can't remember it. :p This (http://www.circumcision.org/) is a good site to look around at; very professional and objective.

This (http://www.circumcision.org/aap.htm) page in particular is interesting. Take a look at this, for instance:

The AAP statement acknowledges that the foreskin contains "a concentration of specialized sensory cells" and reports that "penile sensation and sexual satisfaction are decreased for circumcised males."
All in all, I'd have to agree with Mephisto. Most who support circumcision are just afraid to admit that they might be deficient - even through no fault of their own - in any area."
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Not to say that some people may not find circumcision beneficial - for medical reasons or through just plain preferring it. I think people should be given a choice, though.

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I have so much foreskin that it covers my entire penis when erect. If any uncut guys need a wang jumper I'll cut a bit off for ya.

No just no, we are so not having this debate.