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My God Can Beat the Shit Out of Your God For discussing any and all religious viewpoints. Intolerance will not be tolerated. Keeping your sense of humor is required. Posting messages about theological paradoxes is encouraged.

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 #1 
Old 2008-03-01, 20:39
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Default On Leviticus 20...

We all know that this chapter of the bible gives us undoubted proof of Gods hate for faggots. But when I re-read it today, I realised something I hadn't noticed before.


27 A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them.


God hates Wizards...
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Old 2008-03-01, 20:44
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We all know that this chapter of the bible gives us undoubted proof of Gods hate for faggots. But when I re-read it today, I realised something I hadn't noticed before.



God hates Wizards...

No, God hates witches.
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Old 2008-03-01, 20:45
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I thought that at first too but he says Wizard:

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus%2020:27;&version=9;
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Old 2008-03-01, 20:49
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Old 2008-03-01, 20:50
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http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=yahweh&word2=dumbledore
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Old 2008-03-01, 21:14
shitty wok shitty wok is offline
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Leviticus 19:19, God hates.....blended fabric?
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Old 2008-03-01, 21:20
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Originally Posted by shitty wok
Leviticus 19:19, God hates.....blended fabric?

no, He will just send you to hell for eternity for wearing it.
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Old 2008-03-01, 22:14
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Leviticus is one of my favorite books in the Bible. God condemns all sorcery, if memory serves me, in many places throughout the bible.

Sorcery at that time was pretty much anything that was not fully understood, or what your priest told you was sorcery (anything that endangered the church's choke hold on the weak minded).
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Old 2008-03-02, 01:14
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http://i30.tinypic.com/2f0c5yr.jpg

OH NO, NOT A GAY WIZARD!!!!

SURELY WE INVITE GODS WRATH UPON US!!

I don't understand the big deal about it, though.
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Old 2008-03-03, 22:48
danmega danmega is offline
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Wait, is that seriously the lynchpin of the whole works?

For fucks sakes.
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Old 2008-03-03, 23:18
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Alameda, CA
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Leviticus is one of my favorite books in the Bible. God condemns all sorcery, if memory serves me, in many places throughout the bible.



Wasn't sorcery used in either Kings I or Kings II to conjure up the dead? And what differentiates the sorceries in the Old Testament to Jesus' miracles in the New?
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Old 2008-03-04, 04:00
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Originally Posted by BrokeProphet
Leviticus is one of my favorite books in the Bible. God condemns all sorcery, if memory serves me, in many places throughout the bible.

Sorcery at that time was pretty much anything that was not fully understood, or what your priest told you was sorcery (anything that endangered the church's choke hold on the weak minded).


Nevermind that the word used then, and translated to sorcery these days, means divine conjurations with the intent to harm. Don't you love how much gets lost in translation and time?
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Old 2008-03-04, 04:03
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Rockford, IL
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Wasn't sorcery used in either Kings I or Kings II to conjure up the dead? And what differentiates the sorceries in the Old Testament to Jesus' miracles in the New?

Magic, including summoning of demons, is not banned whatsoever: it is the usage of demons to cause harm that is a punished-by-death deal.

Many of the Biblical 'Heroes of Might and Magic' (bad ass video-game, btw) used demonic conjurations for 'God's will'.
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Old 2008-03-04, 04:24
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Alameda, CA
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Biblical 'Heroes of Might and Magic' (bad ass video-game, btw)

If you say so...

*fires up BitComet*
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Old 2008-03-04, 04:38
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If you say so...

*fires up BitComet*

Haha...just Heroes of Might and Magic...if there's a Biblical version, I definitely want Joshua as my first hero. I'll pick up Solomon late-game to boost my fifth level magics.
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Old 2008-03-04, 05:53
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Alameda, CA
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Haha...just Heroes of Might and Magic...if there's a Biblical version, I definitely want Joshua as my first hero. I'll pick up Solomon late-game to boost my fifth level magics.


I would, actually, pick Enoch as my first hero. Coincidentally, both were taken without death.
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Old 2008-03-04, 11:29
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Nevermind that the word used then, and translated to sorcery these days, means divine conjurations with the intent to harm. Don't you love how much gets lost in translation and time?

What is the word you speakth of?
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Old 2008-03-04, 12:13
naive_wisdom naive_wisdom is offline
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Nevermind that the word used then, and translated to sorcery these days, means divine conjurations with the intent to harm. Don't you love how much gets lost in translation and time?

Exactly, so should we, on that basis, not use translated versions, purely because they fail to convey the original and intended message?
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Old 2008-03-04, 15:03
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Alameda, CA
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Exactly, so should we, on that basis, not use translated versions, purely because they fail to convey the original and intended message?

If so, most mainstream Christian Denominations would be wrong. Their doctrines would not match the Bible.
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Old 2008-03-05, 08:56
naive_wisdom naive_wisdom is offline
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Hence my issue with religion, doctrine, and holy scriptures, but not God (or Gods).
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Old 2008-03-05, 09:12
Motziecantus Motziecantus is offline
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no, He will just send you to hell for eternity for wearing it.

so nicely dressed flaming wizards are going to hell? damn. good thing Dumbledore was wearing 100% cotton and nothing blended. he will be spared!
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Old 2008-03-05, 14:36
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Wasn't sorcery used in either Kings I or Kings II to conjure up the dead? And what differentiates the sorceries in the Old Testament to Jesus' miracles in the New?

Just having a guess here, but mostly when sorcery is condemned in the Bible it's linked to having and using an evil spirit or familiar spirit to do your will. Not to mention that biblical magic/miracles are not usually used for personal gain, such as for pay or to fulfill an individuals desires. Maybe the Bible is condeming those people that use their super-powers for bad :D
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Old 2008-03-06, 00:50
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Alameda, CA
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Just having a guess here, but mostly when sorcery is condemned in the Bible it's linked to having and using an evil spirit or familiar spirit to do your will. Not to mention that biblical magic/miracles are not usually used for personal gain, such as for pay or to fulfill an individuals desires. Maybe the Bible is condeming those people that use their super-powers for bad :D

Wasn't bringing Lazurus back to life a personal desire of his sister and Jesus, himself? I mean, it was his time to die. But since he was a personal friend of Jesus, Jesus felt that he would override the natural course of life and death on this specific instance.
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Old 2008-03-06, 02:58
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Oh no you did-ant!

You did not just bring Lazurus into this...
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Old 2008-03-07, 05:58
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Nevermind that the word used then, and translated to sorcery these days, means divine conjurations with the intent to harm. Don't you love how much gets lost in translation and time?

Please, what is the word you're talking about?
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Old 2008-03-08, 06:32
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Ok Hexadecimal, I guess we'll all have to take your word for it...
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Old 2008-03-09, 15:03
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Hah, like hex is going to actually back herself up. She's a christian, she doesn't need evidence.

But whatever, I'll believe. So demonic conjuring is cool? What about destruction magic? Or clerical spells? Are they allowed too?

Man, I wish some of that was real so that I could really give a fuck.
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Old 2008-03-10, 01:59
Motziecantus Motziecantus is offline
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Hah, like hex is going to actually back herself up. She's a christian, she doesn't need evidence.

Sounds about right.
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Old 2008-03-10, 05:23
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Alameda, CA
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Wasn't bringing Lazurus back to life a personal desire of his sister and Jesus, himself? I mean, it was his time to die. But since he was a personal friend of Jesus, Jesus felt that he would override the natural course of life and death on this specific instance.


No one is going to explain this?
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Old 2008-03-10, 05:52
Circular Buttsecks Chain Circular Buttsecks Chain is offline
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^ Jesus can do whatever the fuck he wants to.He's GOD!!Well, he's the son of god.
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Old 2008-03-10, 19:12
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Originally Posted by Circular Buttsecks Chain
^ Jesus can do whatever the fuck he wants to.He's GOD!!Well, he's the son of god.



It depends on the Denomination, doesn't it. It is either He a human incarnate of God, is the Son of God, or He is some kind of spirit in the mocking the form of a human. For God being so omnipotent, He seems to
have a problem with keeping all of His followers in line with what He was.
 
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