CUT vs UNCUT.

Due to totses random bouts of tempermental behaviour, it seems the previous circumcision thread died in the last tradegy.
So basically, what are your oppinions and thoughts on circumcision? Does the removal of that piece of skin enrage you? Does the continued existence of that piece of skin enrage you? Who here is circumsised, who's not? How do you feel about it?
Soapbox away. No posts on topic will be deleted or edited but if posting obscene pictures on the topic please put a warning before the link for those posters who happen to be viewing from a school or library computer.

I don't care either way, as long as its clean.

Same here, pretty much.

I am......it seems that some do not realize the difference and assume its something that happens only if your jewish and at that certain age. Mostly those who are of a certain age..assume this

I'm cut. It's fucking weird otherwise.

You find it weird to not have your penis mutilated?

I'm cut. Personally, I think it would be preferable to have some say in the matter, instead of your parents saying "hey, let's cut part of his dick off." but, I can't feel the pain from the cutting, so it's all good.

1st uncut. I see no reason to take away my beautiful foreskin. :)

I'm natural. Why say UNCUT? It's almost implying that we are missing something. Let the people who shave their armpits and ass hairs chop off a piece of their manhood, I'm happy with not being 'mutilated.'

I'm cut but I don't understand this argument. In the end I get off, she gets off and everything is peachy. And it'd still be that way if the shape of the end of my penis was any different.

You find it weird to not have your penis mutilated?

So I take it you if decided to not shave your legs, wash your face, comb your hair, or use any makeup whatsoever, etc. you would in no way feel weird? Since, after all, those are all things society expects of you that have to do with your appearance that you could do without.

Are you asking if im jewish?

ive pretty much been with every kind and this is my conclusion:

circumsized tightly = feels like being fucked by a broom stick (not fun)

circumsized loosely = very nice!

uncircumsized, small amount of foreskin = very nice!

uncircumsized, large amount of foreskin = a lot of, i guess, precum can build up during foreplay and when going down on a guy this can taste awkward or just feel awkward (im not describing this right, but whatever). however, during intercourse it feels fine.

so, i like "inbetween", both ends of the spectrum have their downfalls, but either a loose circumsion or a small amount of foreskin seem to have the best of both worlds.

(for the record, i would perfer a guy with a lot foreskin to a really tight cut, those seriously are not fun).

Im cut. Its nice, very nice.

This.

I like my foreskin.

I'm cut for medical reasons. I don't really care, except I hear you uncut bastards don't have to use lube while masturbating.

That's my only gripe with you guys, otherwise I don't care what your dick looks like, as long as it stays away from my woman.

But Rykoshet, I'm cut and don't have to use lube when I jerk it...

Well then I hate you too.

Uncut, not a lot of skin though. Works fine, keep it clean, and us uncut guys have all that 'extra' sensitivity lost when it's cut.

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Colour me stupid, but I'd guess that nerve ends rubbing against something for years on end would start to lose some feeling sooner or later.

I'm uncut, and I use the foreskin to whack off without lube.

<3 Foreskin.

Colour me stupid, but I'd guess that nerve ends rubbing against something for years on end would start to lose some feeling sooner or later.

And I guess your tastebuds after coming into contact with some many flavours for years on end stop tasting.

And I guess your tastebuds after coming into contact with some many flavours for years on end stop tasting.

No, but they don't work the same way, otherwise you could simulate taste by pressing or rubbing your tongue. That, and a tongue has saliva lubing up food, where if you were constantly pouring pre-cum you might have a problem. If I had been licking the inside of a pair of dry boxers for the last 19 years I'd likely still taste it, but as far as feeling as much as glorious day 1... somehow I doubt it. *shrug*

No, but they don't work the same way, otherwise you could simulate taste by pressing or rubbing your tongue. That, and a tongue has saliva lubing up food, where if you were constantly pouring pre-cum you might have a problem. If I had been licking the inside of a pair of dry boxers for the last 19 years I'd likely still taste it, but as far as feeling as much as glorious day 1... somehow I doubt it. *shrug*

That's only a problem if your penis spends more time inside knickers than it does inside vagina.

I'd like to think it spends a good part of the day floating in vagina juice, which as you mention is just like saliva, providing lubrication for my oh-so-sensitive penis.

That's only a problem if your penis spends more time inside knickers than it does inside vagina.

I'd like to think it spends a good part of the day floating in vagina juice, which as you mention is just like saliva, providing lubrication for my oh-so-sensitive penis.

This is totse, 90% of the penises of the male (shemale?) members hardly see the outsides of the owner's knickers unless it's to see the light of the monitor playing porn.

This is totse, 90% of the penises of the male (shemale?) members hardly see the outsides of the owner's knickers unless it's to see the light of the monitor playing porn.

Well then, I'm happy to be in the 91th percentile.

It's quite the exclusive club, monthly newsletters, lapel pins and a certificate to print, all that jazz.

/derailment

Whatever man, if you're happy with yours and I'm happy with mine, no need to argue.

Besides, sometimes the best thrills of the night come from seeing her convulse after a good hour-long cunnilingus session. No amount of penis nerves can give you that.

Whatever man, if you're happy with yours and I'm happy with mine, no need to argue.

Besides, sometimes the best thrills of the night come from seeing her convulse after a good hour-long cunnilingus session. No amount of penis nerves can give you that.

I'll agree to that. Just noticed we joined 10 days apart, btw. O_o

I'll agree to that. Just noticed we joined 10 days apart, btw. O_o

Do you want to turn it into a post count pissing contest or a "I've got more of a life and that's why I don't have as many posts as you" contest?

Or do you just wanna get drunk and be happy?

Do you want to turn it into a post count pissing contest or a "I've got more of a life and that's why I don't have as many posts as you" contest?

Or do you just wanna get drunk and be happy?

b) first, then maybe a) if I have nothing to do.

Had nothing to do with e-penii comparison, just a weird thing I noticed looking at your profile.

91thWhat.

What.

Well I did get a 52% on my stats midterm, but if 90% of totse can't get laid, then those who can are in the 91-100th percentile, are they not?

Or does this not apply because it's not continuous data?

Well I did get a 52% on my stats midterm, but if 90% of totse can't get laid, then those who can are in the 91-100th percentile, are they not?

Or does this not apply because it's not continuous data?No, dude, it's the ninety-first percentile, not the ninety-oneth.

Is it normal for the head of the penis to be wider than the shaft? Circumsized, btw.

Mine looks like a mushroom. Not anywhere that blown up, but saying it's probably 0.25"-1" wider at the head than at the area just below the head.

I used to worry that it would work like an arrow...it can go in, but it can't go out. Lol.

Besides, sometimes the best thrills of the night come from seeing her convulse after a good hour-long cunnilingus session. No amount of penis nerves can give you that.

An hour?!?! Ummm... Where do you live again?

Jeebus that's a lot, I have maybe 1/8" to 1/4" per side of mushroomness. I recommend you try cock-slapping someone to see if they get a real mushroom-print on their face.

I'm cut for medical reasons. I don't really care, except I hear you uncut bastards don't have to use lube while masturbating.



I'm cut and I dont use lube...

My penis is a motherfucking wind sock.

An hour?!?! Ummm... Where do you live again?

*steps in as Ryko's acting pimp*

Last i checked he's in Toronto, available by appointment, charged by the half hour.

*steps in as Ryko's acting pimp*

Last i checked he's in Toronto, available by appointment, charged by the half hour.

Too far. :(

It is very tempting, though... My current boyfriend won't touch me down there with anything but his penis. :(

My dick ain't skinned.

What's wrong with an hour long cunnilingus session? I've dedicated entire nights to just the woman. The guy who sort of served as a mentor for a lot of things in my life...well...I once asked him to help me out because I was in Cuba and "on the verge" of getting laid. I was 14 at the time I think. Needless to say, I didn't get laid. But he did tell me to take my time when going down on a chick and that it's could be one of the better parts of sex if done right. Now I'm easily influenced, so when I did actually get laid the next time, I headed straight for the carpet. It took some getting used to, but with perseverance and a really good guide I found online I was able to figure out how to do it well and usually give women many orgasms, to the point that they become so intense that after an hour or so simply blowing on the clit causes her to convulse.

No, I'm not kidding. I enjoy head. Yes, lots of you in high school or such will say "it's gay to eat pussy you fag", but I have something to say to you too. Please keep your women unsatisfied, it just makes me look that much better by comparison.

Jeebus that's a lot, I have maybe 1/8" to 1/4" per side of mushroomness. I recommend you try cock-slapping someone to see if they get a real mushroom-print on their face.

After ACTUALLY LOOKING at my penis, I think I did over-estimate by a lot. LOl, sorry about that. It is maybe 0.25 to 0.5" MAX (vaguely calculated value)

Too far. :(

It is very tempting, though... My current boyfriend won't touch me down there with anything but his penis. :(

Find a new boyfriend.

Alternatively, stop going down on him until he does it for you.

big +1 to the cunnilingus bit there, it is my gf's favourite foreplay/sexual act, ever, apparently. Did take her a while to warm up to the idea, but now she literally (tries to) force me down there, for 15-20min at least. Record so far is only 40 or 45 min without a break of more than 5 or 10 seconds. Learning to do it well is an awesome skill to have and highly appreciated by women.

Take a spore print so we can get a positive ID.

Or ask at the Shroomery.Find a new boyfriend.

Alternatively, stop going down on him until he does it for you.

Seriously. Who in their right mind would refuse to go down on their partner? That's lame.

*steps in as Ryko's acting pimp*

Last i checked he's in Toronto, available by appointment, charged by the half hour.

That's either really cool or really scary.

Too far. :(

It is very tempting, though... My current boyfriend won't touch me down there with anything but his penis. :(

Too far...now...

Play a little game with him to introduce his tongue to your nether regions.

The game is called "You don't get any sex until you give me three orgasms with your tongue alone. No hands"

Most women I meet find it much much easier to orgasm from oral sex than from straight up sex, unless they're also tuning in tokyo (in this case the euphemism refers to fiddling with her clit) or I'm rubbing it. One girl liked me playing with her tits while we did it. Who am I to argue?

big +1 to the cunnilingus bit there, it is my gf's favourite foreplay/sexual act, ever, apparently. Did take her a while to warm up to the idea, but now she literally (tries to) force me down there, for 15-20min at least. Record so far is only 40 or 45 min without a break of more than 5 or 10 seconds. Learning to do it well is an awesome skill to have and highly appreciated by women.

I never meant 1 hour-long without a break. Sometimes you need give your hands something to do for a few minutes while your tongue rests, or we'll do a 69 or something. There's a LOT of oral fixation going on, but nobody in their right mind goes for hours without coming up for a breather once in a while.

That's either really cool or really scary.



Too far...now...

Play a little game with him to introduce his tongue to your nether regions.

The game is called "You don't get any sex until you give me three orgasms with your tongue alone. No hands"

Most women I meet find it much much easier to orgasm from oral sex than from straight up sex, unless they're also tuning in tokyo (in this case the euphemism refers to fiddling with her clit) or I'm rubbing it. One girl liked me playing with her tits while we did it. Who am I to argue?

That game sounds like a decent idea, except i turned it around, I wouldn't have sex until she let me go down on her (I was the first (out of a short list, given) to go down on her), but now I miss out on sex sometimes because she doesn't want it to end. Not that I mind, a night of pleasing her is good enough fun for me.

Hm, my gf does like me to play with her tits during it sometimes as well, also during sex randomly. Bit awkward sometimes but I'm always happy to oblige. As a rule:

her sexually happy/satisfied ----> you sexually happy/satisfied

Might as well add, that 40 min was a once-only deal so far, my jaw hurt the next day, but good fun. Limited to 20 min usually now, with a small breather about halfway through.

Find a new boyfriend.

Alternatively, stop going down on him until he does it for you.

big +1 to the cunnilingus bit there, it is my gf's favourite foreplay/sexual act, ever, apparently. Did take her a while to warm up to the idea, but now she literally (tries to) force me down there, for 15-20min at least. Record so far is only 40 or 45 min without a break of more than 5 or 10 seconds. Learning to do it well is an awesome skill to have and highly appreciated by women.

We're going to break up within the next couple of weeks.

That doesn't really work that well... He doesn't even like recieving it, so I have to pretty much beg him to let me do it to him.

Is going down on a girl really that gross and hard to do? It seems like it would be a lot easier than doing it to a guy.

That game sounds like a decent idea, except i turned it around, I wouldn't have sex until she let me go down on her (I was the first (out of a short list, given) to go down on her), but now I miss out on sex sometimes because she doesn't want it to end. Not that I mind, a night of pleasing her is good enough fun for me.

Hm, my gf does like me to play with her tits during it sometimes as well, also during sex randomly. Bit awkward sometimes but I'm always happy to oblige. As a rule:

her sexually happy/satisfied ----> you sexually happy/satisfied

Might as well add, that 40 min was a once-only deal so far, my jaw hurt the next day, but good fun. Limited to 20 min usually now, with a small breather about halfway through.

Try some 69. It can get awkward at times, but it's all the fun of giving her pleasure, COMBINED with the pleasure of getting a blowjob.

If done right so nobody is breaking their back, it can be very, very nice. Just tell her to watch her hands, because a lot of women have an urge to put their fingers in odd places when they aren't being watched.

That's either really cool or really scary.

Too far...now...

Play a little game with him to introduce his tongue to your nether regions.

The game is called "You don't get any sex until you give me three orgasms with your tongue alone. No hands"

Most women I meet find it much much easier to orgasm from oral sex than from straight up sex, unless they're also tuning in tokyo (in this case the euphemism refers to fiddling with her clit) or I'm rubbing it. One girl liked me playing with her tits while we did it. Who am I to argue?

That wouldn't faze him at all. I want sex waaaay more than he does, and 90% of the time, I'm the one who initiates it. If it was up to him, we would have sex about once a week.

Edit: Now that I'm writing this all out, I'm starting to realize how much this relationship sucks.

We're going to break up within the next couple of weeks.

That doesn't really work that well... He doesn't even like recieving it, so I have to pretty much beg him to let me do it to him.

Is going down on a girl really that gross and hard to do? It seems like it would be a lot easier than doing it to a guy.

I can't speak from experience, but imagine licking an ice cream on a stick...as opposed to performing open heart surgery and trying to restart a heart with your mouth. It's nothing like that, but it's quite awkward to get used to. Do you just stick your tongue in there? What do you do if there's excess labia? How the hell are you supposed to reach the clit? What do you do if she doesn't want you touching her clit? What if she's got a lot of hair? Etc.

All these questions can be intimidating, and I'd assume that's why a lot of guys don't do it. They don't want to see like they're anything but sex gods so they don't venture into the unknown.

Well son, I'm sure Zeus licked a little poon in his day. That's probably why he had so many mistresses. Word got around that his tongue was made of thunder.

That wouldn't faze him at all. I want sex waaaay more than he does, and 90% of the time, I'm the one who initiates it. If it was up to him, we would have sex about once a week.

Edit: Now that I'm writing this all out, I'm starting to realize how much this relationship sucks.

Ok, seriously, when you said "too far", just how far was it? Because you just can't tease me like that. First you want a bubble bath, now you want cunnilingus. It's NOT fair!!!

I can't speak from experience, but imagine licking an ice cream on a stick...as opposed to performing open heart surgery and trying to restart a heart with your mouth. It's nothing like that, but it's quite awkward to get used to. Do you just stick your tongue in there? What do you do if there's excess labia? How the hell are you supposed to reach the clit? What do you do if she doesn't want you touching her clit? What if she's got a lot of hair? Etc.

All these questions can be intimidating, and I'd assume that's why a lot of guys don't do it. They don't want to see like they're anything but sex gods so they don't venture into the unknown.

Well son, I'm sure Zeus licked a little poon in his day. That's probably why he had so many mistresses. Word got around that his tongue was made of thunder.

I thought guys just always went for the clit? What else would you lick?

Ok, seriously, when you said "too far", just how far was it? Because you just can't tease me like that. First you want a bubble bath, now you want cunnilingus. It's NOT fair!!!

What? I'm totally lost... I'm in Texas.

I thought guys just always went for the clit? What else would you lick?

What WOULDN'T I lick?What? I'm totally lost... I'm in Texas.
*tear*

We're going to break up within the next couple of weeks.

That doesn't really work that well... He doesn't even like recieving it, so I have to pretty much beg him to let me do it to him.

Is going down on a girl really that gross and hard to do? It seems like it would be a lot easier than doing it to a guy.

That doesn't sound fun at all, sucks that you have to break up, but here's hoping you come out of it soon, better off.

It's gross to some guys because they've never done it, or the idea of it is nasty somehow, no idea since it's never been weird to me.

Dunno if it's easier or not, though there can be some awkward angles for it that can make my neck sore if I'm not careful. :\

That doesn't sound fun at all, sucks that you have to break up, but here's hoping you come out of it soon, better off.

It's gross to some guys because they've never done it, or the idea of it is nasty somehow, no idea since it's never been weird to me.

Dunno if it's easier or not, though there can be some awkward angles for it that can make my neck sore if I'm not careful. :\

It's not that bad, I mean I'm happy with him, but we're just not compatible at all.

It's not that bad, I mean I'm happy with him, but we're just not compatible at all.

Welcome to my world, see my anon post (gf drinking) for why I suck and we aren't compatible either. But that hasn't stopped it from going for 1.5+ years so far. O_o

Welcome to my world, see my anon post (gf drinking) for why I suck and we aren't compatible either. But that hasn't stopped it from going for 1.5+ years so far. O_o

Sorry for the hurtful things I said in your thread :(

Sorry for the hurtful things I said in your thread :(

Quite alright, don't apologize. A lot of it is what I needed to hear, it's why I decided to make such a thread in the first place.

You find it weird to not have your penis mutilated?

If he's a North American, technically it IS weird.

Ha. I bet Ryko is the most pathetic person on here. Who else brags on the internets.

Probably the same people who brag in real life.

I just kind of find uncut dicks strange..i mean you never see them in porn..

Do you also find small dicks, or brown dicks strange?

I've NEVER EVER EVER seen a brown man in a porno, and I've seen my share of porn. Heh.

I do...

Because a cut penis is more of the accept penis, 'prettier' and what's expected. Not everyone has foreskin, but everyone has the same stuff underneath.

And I'll say that Ryko seems like one of the coolest people here, at least one of the more levelheaded and well, sane. :\

Edit: I have this amazing trend for getting the first post on a new page lately..

Edit: I have this amazing trend for getting the first post on a new page lately..Just not this time...

Just not this time...

Far as I see, i got it now too, first on page 8. Correct me if im wrong?

Far as I see, i got it now too, first on page 8. Correct me if im wrong?

Still on page 2 for me. :)

Still on page 2 for me. :)

So what's your preference?

Far as I see, i got it now too, first on page 8. Correct me if im wrong?

You're wrong.

That was me correcting you.

So what's your preference?

Reading the thread ftw.

Well, mine is set to 10 posts per page, so by mine, i have it first. :\

Reading the thread ftw.


You can't say both, one has to be more appealing.

You can't say both, one has to be more appealing.

Nope. I guess circumsized penii have a slight advantage, because sometimes my boyfriend's foreskin slides back up in the condom and hurts him.

Nope. I guess circumsized penii have a slight advantage, because sometimes my boyfriend's foreskin slides back up in the condom and hurts him.

I would see having one as a nuisance.

I would see having one as a nuisance.Reading comprehension was not a well-stressed skill when you were growing up, was it?

I AM NOT MUTILATED.

that is all.

hell yes


anyway, im not against circumcision, as long as the person getting it gets it on his (or her) own free will

I don't agree with it being done to babies who cannot consent. I also think it's wrong to pierce babies ears like they do in some Catholic countries etc., but that's just my opinion.
When it comes to fucking a guy, I don't care whether or not he's cut.. all I desire is a basic level of hygene. I don't think I prefer either aesthetically.. it's just individual wangs that can be either ugly or sexy.

Dude, porn with a dick in it is fuckin' strange to me.

I'm not cut, luckily, 'cause I had a bit of an accident when I was 4 which left a rather large scar on my penis. It was zipper related.

Brits sign here to get this child abuse banned (http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/bancircumcision/)..and no I didn't start it.

No parent has the right to mutilate their child, especially not for dipshit reasons such as 'he needs to look like his dad' or 'it's cleaner'.

Dude, let it go. Some parents think it's easier to get it over with so their son doesn't have to worry about infection, or it goes along with their religion, etc.

Also, you're being very hypocritical. If you say that people should have to right to do what they want to their body without ANYBODY'S input (ie, kids can CHOOSE whether or not to get circumsized), then why are you so against abortion? Why does the mother need to take into account what society, religion, her parents, the father, and the unborn little fucker who's going to ruin her life think? She SHOULDN'T.

Therefore, you can't argue for society choosing what it feels is the best for a mother, but say that parents choosing what they feel is the best for their kid is wrong.

Dude, let it go. Some parents think it's easier to get it over with so their son doesn't have to worry about infection, or it goes along with their religion, etc.

Also, you're being very hypocritical. If you say that people should have to right to do what they want to their body without ANYBODY'S input (ie, kids can CHOOSE whether or not to get circumsized), then why are you so against abortion? Why does the mother need to take into account what society, religion, her parents, the father, and the unborn little fucker who's going to ruin her life think? She SHOULDN'T.

Therefore, you can't argue for society choosing what it feels is the best for a mother, but say that parents choosing what they feel is the best for their kid is wrong.

Uhm since when has an embryo/fetus been part of the woman's body? She's the breeding tank. If she wants to cut her tits off or use a nail gun on her cunny then thats fine by me.

Topic: CUT VS UNCUT!

Yeah my bad.

RYkoshet, no more on abortion, 'kay?

Yeah my bad.

RYkoshet, no more on abortion, 'kay?

My bad. Cheers.

I don't think it should be banned for everyone under 18... What if a teenager wants to get circumsized? I do believe it should be up to whoever owns the penis, though. But totally banning it for everyone under 18 isn't the way to go.

Uncut.

I'd probably get it cut, but I wouldn't go out of my way. I like my foreskin, it's awesome.

Brits sign here to get this child abuse banned (http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/bancircumcision/)..and no I didn't start it.
.

HEehehehehee!! (http://search.petitions.pm.gov.uk/kbroker/number10/petitions/search.lsim?ha=1157&sc=number10&qt=guinea+pigs)

I don't think it should be banned for everyone under 18... What if a teenager wants to get circumsized? I do believe it should be up to whoever owns the penis, though. But totally banning it for everyone under 18 isn't the way to go.

Actually I agree and even if the petition was successful the government would never pass it into law because the muslims would riot.

The best we can hope for is it will be made illegal to circumcise a child (under 16) for anything but religious reasons or genuine medical reasons (ie chronically tight foreskin not the ameritard-psuedo scientific rubbish).

i'm uncut but i could really care less what i had going on down there just as long as it still works

Unfortunately for some of the 'cut' it no longer works properly...

http://www.noharmm.org/IDcirc.htm

(warning , pics of fucked up cocks)

Unfortunately for some of the 'cut' it no longer works properly...

http://www.noharmm.org/IDcirc.htm

(warning , pics of fucked up cocks)

Those skin bridges look pretty fucking weird.

Unfortunately for some of the 'cut' it no longer works properly...

http://www.noharmm.org/IDcirc.htm

(warning , pics of fucked up cocks)

Don't start man. Just as many men have had bad foreskin infections that fucked up their penis as men have had mutilated penises from a bad circumcision.

Circumcision lowers the risk of HIV infection.

circumcised heterosexual men are at least 60% less likely to contract HIV than their uncircumcised counterparts.
Yale University researchers projected that increasing circumcision rates by just 10% to 20% could ward off 32,000 to 52,000 infections in Soweto, South Africa alone over the next 20 years.
For the men in the study, the overall probably of becoming HIV-infected following a single act of intercourse was calculated to be .0063, or one in 160. Uncircumcised men had a more than two-fold increased risk of infection per sexual act compared with circumcised men--one in 80 versus one in 200.
http://www.webmd.com/news/20060817/male-circumcision-may-cut-hiv-risk
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/01/050124004711.htm

Granted, I'm not planning on having unprotected sex in AIDS-infested sub-Saharan Africa, but still... Circumcision does have some legitimate health benefits.

But I don't feel like arguing about it.

It's Saturday, and I'm not drinking. This is not a good start.

It's Saturday, and I'm not drinking. This is not a good start.
I feel the same right now -- I'm hastily trying to rectify this situation, but most of my friends are busy, and I'm not resorting to drinking alone..

i am circumcised and its alright
its all clean and such

Circumcision lowers the risk of HIV infection.





They removed my tonsils just after birth.

Guess what? I never get tonsilitus.

100% success rate.

However I do get every fucking cold/flu/bronchitis going round, which is why they now no longer remove kids tonsils as a matter of course.

Yes there is credible (as far as I can judge) evidence which suggest circumcision reduces the risk of HIV infection. And if an adult or teenager feels the need or feels it might be a good idea then thats fine.

But don't start using it as an excuse to mutilate babies. Thats just sick.

But don't start using it as an excuse to mutilate babies. Thats just sick.

Obviously we can't have a debate about this if you just see it as mutilation and the rest of us see it as fine.

Let's just not have a debate thread, rather have a thread about "are you circumcised, do you like it or not, and what to girls say?

OK? Let's make the thread more about FACTS and less about "my dick can beat the shit out of your dick".

Please.

It's Saturday, and I'm not drinking. This is not a good start.

You could come over here... I have plenty of alcohol. ;)

OK? Let's make the thread more about FACTS and less about "my dick can beat the shit out of your dick".

Please.

Coming from someone who just came out with some crap about infected foreskins thats a bit rich. Now I may be wrong, there may well be some strange african virus that eats your foreskin within hours of catching it..penile ebola or something. But otherwise a normal level of personal hygiene is enough to prevent an infection down there.

And what parent doesn't take its baby boy to the docs if its foreskin turns bright red?

Foreskin infection deforming penis? Sounds like one of those horror stories dreamt up by the marketing man from the American Guild Of Penis Snipplers aka paediatricians.

Oh and it isn't a question of how I see it rather removing any body part without need is a mutilation.

Unles your foreskin was terminally infected with said African Penile Ebola at birth and had to be removed, then it was a mutilation.

There's this thing called soap..its been a round for a while. A bit complex and technical perhaps for the americans among us but....

Man, this thread was way more fun when we were talking about cunnilingus.

Let's return to that topic.

There's this thing called soap..its been a round for a while. A bit complex and technical perhaps for the americans among us but....

Have you ever smelled an eastern european? apparently they don't believe in deodorant.

Let's return to that topic.

Agreed. This thread went downhill very quickly since I last saw it. O_o

On a lighter note, has anyone ever tried the Spocker? I was talking to my friends about the shocker, just messing around, and one of them said "yeah man, I love doing that shit to my girlfriend," and he makes his fingers into the Spocker, at which point we all start to laugh.

On an even lighter note, who likes homemade pizza? I find it's alot better than dominoes.

I agree. They always have the crust too thin and its too greasy. It is a bitch to make your own cheese filled crust though. That's something they do well.

True, it's VERY hard to get a the crust right.

Silly Americans, circumcision is for jews.

Heston Blumenthal recently did a really good prog on making the perfect pizza at home. As ever it comes down to the BTU's.

This is totse, 90% of the penises of the male (shemale?) members hardly see the outsides of the owner's knickers unless it's to see the light of the monitor playing porn.

I bathe, actually.

I did think of that, and still choose to omit it from the average totsean's daily activities.

I think I'm the only one here (Canada) who prefers a thinner, crispier crust, every place/frozen pizza always has a doughy crust an inch thick, and you can't taste the toppings a bit. Homemade for the definite win.

Have you ever smelled an eastern european? apparently they don't believe in deodorant.

Well I'm eastern European, and thought some of my comrades (lulz) smell funny, even in uni, I myself shower daily, liberally apply antiperseperant, and a spritz of Lacoste daily. BO/etc. smell annoys me to no end, washing and a $4 stick of deoderant are simple, basic things. Jeebus.

I prefer a doughy crust if I've got a good dipping sauce. Or if it's got cheese in it. Pizza Hut makes great pizzas.

I prefer a doughy crust if I've got a good dipping sauce. Or if it's got cheese in it. Pizza Hut makes great pizzas.

I've never liked the ultra-thick crusts, i feel ripped for pizza then. Medium thick with dipping sauce. And somehow I recall Pizza Hut's stuff being better a few years ago than now, but that's likely just the location. Still one of the best around, though. I loved Topper's pizza, but I haven't seen one of their places around here. :\

I've never liked the ultra-thick crusts, i feel ripped for pizza then. Medium thick with dipping sauce. And somehow I recall Pizza Hut's stuff being better a few years ago than now, but that's likely just the location. Still one of the best around, though. I loved Topper's pizza, but I haven't seen one of their places around here. :\


We have a great place here called California pizza kitchen, me and my lady go there alot. It's like homemade, but at a diner. Very then though.

Cut, very nice. I would imagine lint would get stuck in the foreskin, but I don't have foreskin, so I wouldn't know.

It does, but it's not that big of a deal.

So I take it you if decided to not shave your legs, wash your face, comb your hair, or use any makeup whatsoever, etc. you would in no way feel weird? Since, after all, those are all things society expects of you that have to do with your appearance that you could do without.

Cutting your hair
vs.
CUTTING OFF THE END OF YOUR PENIS!!!

Not the same.

Goddamn you people are strange...

Cutting your hair
vs.
CUTTING OFF THE END OF YOUR PENIS!!!

Not the same.

Goddamn you people are strange...

Not really. It's more akin to cutting your nails.

Really, you're not SHORTENING anything. I would understand if it took off 3", then I would be against it, but it is a surgery that does nothing but prevent infection (and reduce chance of STDs). Sure like all surgeries it has risks, and if it were up to me, it would only be done if:

1) There was a high risk of infection
2) The kid wanted his wiener to look good

because doing it preemptively is like asking your doctor to take out your appendix so you don't get appendicitis in the future.

Really though, it's not that big a deal, either way. Unless you're that 0.0001% that had their surgery go wrong, there's no reason to complain about being or not being circumcised. Just be happy with what you have, and if you don't like it, either get a circumcision or re-grow your foreskin.

(Before you start going all WTF?, it is possible to regrow your foreskin, Penn and Teller did a show on circumcision and for their finale they had a guy who regrew his.)

(Before you start going all WTF?, it is possible to regrow your foreskin, Penn and Teller did a show on circumcision and for their finale they had a guy who regrew his.)ha ha, I saw that episode!

He used weights and shit to stretch the skin.

Not really. It's more akin to cutting your nails.



Oh right thats why my eldest spend 2 weeks in agony ,walking like John Wayne.

Akin to cutting your nails?

Suuuuuure.

[/sarcasm] (yeah I know you know but others...)

Oh right thats why my eldest spend 2 weeks in agony ,walking like John Wayne.

Akin to cutting your nails?

Suuuuuure.

[/sarcasm] (yeah I know you know but others...)

My friend hurt his boner skateboarding and was in pain for a while also. Should we outlaw skateboarding since it can cause pain?

There are legitimate health benefits to circumcision. Parents shouldn't make the decision for their child unless:

1) It's medically necessary
or
2) The dad's been circumcised too. (He's been through it, he can best judge if his most precious possesion [the son] should be subjected to it too.

You're totally acting as if your opinion is fact, and that's childish.

My friend hurt his boner skateboarding and was in pain for a while also. Should we outlaw skateboarding since it can cause pain?

There are legitimate health benefits to circumcision. Parents shouldn't make the decision for their child unless:

1) It's medically necessary
or
2) The dad's been circumcised too. (He's been through it, he can best judge if his most precious possesion [the son] should be subjected to it too.

You're totally acting as if your opinion is fact, and that's childish.

No, but we should outlaw having boners while skateboarding.

Whenever I read about circumsised people it freaks me the fuck out. I would feel very uncomfortable if the head of my penis was rubbing against my underpants all day. It's so sensitive.

Uncut here as well. No lube/lotion for masturbation, and girls tell me it just feels better

My friend hurt his boner skateboarding and was in pain for a while also. Should we outlaw skateboarding since it can cause pain?

Outlaw skateboarding? That's completely different.
Perhaps if it were common practice for babies to be smacked in the groin with a skateboard, then mabe we would be talking about trying to cut back a bit.

It's so sensitive.

Show off...

It's so sensitive.

So is mine.

My woodie ain't got a hoodie, cause that shit ain't ballin.


Mushroom head FTMFW!

This thread has got stupid

Cut People:
"Everyone uncut will get the AIDs and HIV and be dirty niggers"

Uncut people:
"You're mutilating your child, just cut off all their fingers as well why don't you"

The rest of us:
"Yea, pizza hut is pretty good"

My friend hurt his boner skateboarding and was in pain for a while also. Should we outlaw skateboarding since it can cause pain?

There are legitimate health benefits to circumcision. Parents shouldn't make the decision for their child unless:

1) It's medically necessary
or
2) The dad's been circumcised too. (He's been through it, he can best judge if his most precious possesion [the son] should be subjected to it too.

You're totally acting as if your opinion is fact, and that's childish.

You claimed that circumcision was akin to cutting nails. That was perhaps the most idiotic statement i have ever heard on the subject.


Actually my opinion is pretty much fact. You see I had to fight, and I do mean fight, with doctors for years to get my son circ'd. Trust me, if there were any 'legitimate health benefits' to circumcision then I'd know of them and would have used them to bolster my case. Arguing with doctors means you have to really gen up on a subject.

Although I should add that this all was before the studies about HIV/Circumcision came out. But that can't be described as a 'legitimate health benefit'.

A father's job is to protect his son from harm. The fact his parents thought they could dictate over what happened to his body can never be justification for him to allow his son to be harmed.

A father who allows his son to be circ'd at birth for what is little more than reasons of fashion has already failed in his role.

Why did you want to get your son circ'd? And why were the doctors fighting you against it?

You claimed that circumcision was akin to cutting nails. That was perhaps the most idiotic statement i have ever heard on the subject.


Actually my opinion is pretty much fact. You see I had to fight, and I do mean fight, with doctors for years to get my son circ'd. Trust me, if there were any 'legitimate health benefits' to circumcision then I'd know of them and would have used them to bolster my case. Arguing with doctors means you have to really gen up on a subject.

Although I should add that this all was before the studies about HIV/Circumcision came out. But that can't be described as a 'legitimate health benefit'.

A father's job is to protect his son from harm. The fact his parents thought they could dictate over what happened to his body can never be justification for him to allow his son to be harmed.

A father who allows his son to be circ'd at birth for what is little more than reasons of fashion has already failed in his role.

First off, the comparison was stupid, but it was late and I didn't know what else to compare it to.

But, i'm sorry, what? You had to FIGHT to get your son circ'd, and yet you're arguing how everyone everywhere is getting circ'd and it's bad? If it was so hard for you to get your son, perhaps it's just as hard on others.

Really though, it's not your kid so leave us be. I'm the one raising my son, and I want to dictate if his weiner is cloaked or not. You can't say "I'm a better father than you and I should tell you how to treat your kid". You BELIEVE that circumcision is evil and bad, and you don't want me doing it to my kid. Well tough shit, there's risks sure, but they're minimal and I'm willing to take a 0.001% risk if it means not having to worry whether my son will get an infection if he stays in his diapers all night.

I'm not arguing that all kids should be circ'd, it's up to the parents/kid/whatever, but if I want my kid circ'd I'll do it and you can't tell me that I have no right because you're against it. Guess what, I'm against you bringing up your kids Catholic, but I can't just tell you "Hey, the Bible is wrong, so stop mutilating your kid's mind and teach him to be an atheist."

That would be stupid of me. Just like it's stupid of you to tell me that a practice that's been going on for thousands of years with a 99.999% sucess rate is mutilation because you've had a bad experience with it.

My son was born with an exetremely bad case of tight foreskin.

So tight that it was impossible to roll back at all (or at least not without violence and tearings).

Doctors in both Germany and the UK refused to consider a circumcision and insisted creams and drugs would suffice. This went on for years.

It was only when he hit puberty and was suffering sexually that we won and also because he was (at age 14) legally considered old enough to consent.

Because there are NO legitimate health benefits to circumcising a baby/young child , doctors here are very aware, that even in a case like my son's where there was a real problem, that they expose themselves to legal action if they perform a circumcision on a child unable to consent.

And my insistence he needed one meant we were potential child abusers.

Ah the rich irony of life. Me, a passionate anti-circumcisionist, having to fight to have my baby circumcised.

God has a somewhat warped sense of humour.

Just like it's stupid of you to tell me that a practice that's been going on for thousands of years with a 99.999% sucess rate is mutilation because you've had a bad experience with it.

No my experience with it has been GOOD.

Oh and common sense should tell you that no operation has a 99.9999% success rate. I don't even to look up the stats on that one.

Ask any doctor to confirm that an operation or any course of treatment or any drug has a 99.99% success rate and he'll baulk.

No my experience with it has been GOOD.

Oh and common sense should tell you that no operation has a 99.9999% success rate. I don't even to look up the stats on that one.

Ask any doctor to confirm that an operation or any course of treatment or any drug has a 99.99% success rate and he'll baulk.

Way to completely ignore the rest of my argument. If you start telling people that they can't circumcise their kids, what about telling them that they can't raise them muslim. And they can't pierce their ears. Etc...

We're not talking about femlae circumcision here where the goal is to mutilate the girl and hurt her, we're talking about an accepted medical procedure that has many benefits.

Way to completely ignore the rest of my argument. If you start telling people that they can't circumcise their kids, what about telling them that they can't raise them muslim. And they can't pierce their ears. Etc...

We're not talking about femlae circumcision here where the goal is to mutilate the girl and hurt her, we're talking about an accepted medical procedure that has many benefits.

Uhm I didn't realise that 'Well tough shit, there's risks sure, but they're minimal and I'm willing to take a 0.001% risk if it means not having to worry whether my son will get an infection if he stays in his diapers all night.' was supposed to be a serious argument.

After your 'akin to nail cutting' comment I would rank that as the second most idiotic comment I've read on the subject.

But ok...

Off the top of my head, and figures for circumcisions on babies going wrong are hotly disputed but the 'safe' guessimate is about 5% and probably more.

Again common sense should tell you that .0001% risk is a total fallacy.

Anytime someone takes a knife to your body for any reason there is more risk than that. Hell, people have died from shaving cuts before.

And if your child stays in his soiled diaper allnight then you really really need to brush up your parenting skills.

jackketch vs Rykoshet
TONIGHT ONLY!
Place your bets now!

RYkoshet, sorry but i have to go paint a ceiling now and probably fuck up my c2 again. If you post I'll reply later.

If you start telling people that they can't circumcise their kids, what about telling them that they can't raise them muslim. And they can't pierce their ears. Etc...
If you let your religion spill out of your head and onto your genitals, that's no one's fault but your own. That's a seperate argument though, it's just as crazy that children are taught to be a certain religion from birth really, so let's just keep away from that one. Piercing a baby's ears is pretty weird too...

We're not talking about femlae circumcision here where the goal is to mutilate the girl and hurt her, we're talking about an accepted medical procedure that has many benefits.
The thing is, female circumcision is accepted in places where it is the social norm and as such, I'd imagine that it's a added value, perhaps even a "beauty" qualification there.
You'd be seen as radical for going against social norms there and it's the same here.

And surely you don't distrust evolution enough to think that cutting off your foreskin is going to give "many benefits." If that were true in any way except social, we wouldn't have foreskins in the first place. Jaws are shrinking, heads are growing, the species could handle genetic-circumcision if it were really an issue.

I don't really want to fight because I know I'm right. Not on the circumcision topic, mind you, just on your method of implementing it. I think you as a Brit can appreciate people's need to not have the government tell them how they can shape their child's penis.

I don't think there can be any argument either way (yes or no for circumcision) that is 100% safe either way. If we don't perform circumcisions, some people will have mutilated penises from infections/disease. If we do perform it, some people will have mutilated penises from...well...mutilation of penis. It's the same thing with wisdom teeth. A good % of people each year die getting their widsom teeth taken out, but know knows what would happen if they kept them in. That, perhaps, is the best allusion to circumcision.

I don't have any problems with you being anti-circumcision. According to Mill, free discourse is a necessary condition for intellectual and social progress, and I enjoy having this debate with you (albiet I'm not coming off too coherently). I think you should keep your view on circumcision, and you should try and influence everyone you meet to come to your way of thinking, of course. And if you influence enough people, eventually everybody will say "No thank you" when the doctor asks them they'd prefer little Johnny to shed some skin. And that's FINE WITH ME.

What I'm totally AGAINST, is how you want to completely remove any choice from the parents, forcing everyone not to circumcise their kid. Isn't it better to have an educated society where parents acknowledge both sides and chose to make the "better" choice, rather than being forced to make one?

You should start a movement to EDUCATE people on circumcision (however biased your facts may be, the pro-circ people would be just as biased) rather than to REMOVE FREE WILL from people. It's a touchy subject, like abortion, like self-mutilation, like all sorts of things, but let people make their own choices and choices for their little kids. If people are making uneducated choices, you're welcome to correct them, but for the love of god, LET THEM MAKE THE CHOICE.

Fun facts:
Studies have reported a rate of penile cancer from 3 to 22 times higher in uncircumcised than circumcised men.
The RACP states that the penis is lost in 1 in 1,000,000 circumcisions
The American Academy of Family Physicians states that death is rare, and cites an estimated death rate of 1 infant in 500,000 from circumcision
Gairdner's 1949 study reported that an average of 16 children per year out of about 90,000 died following circumcision in the UK. (a startling number, except it's from almost 60 years ago and many deaths occured as a result of drugs, not the operation)

The thing is, female circumcision is accepted in places where it is the social norm and as such, I'd imagine that it's a added value, perhaps even a "beauty" qualification there.You'd be seen as radical for going against social norms there and it's the same here.

And surely you don't distrust evolution enough to think that cutting off your foreskin is going to give "many benefits." If that were true in any way except social, we wouldn't have foreskins in the first place. Jaws are shrinking, heads are growing, the species could handle genetic-circumcision if it were really an issue.

Yes, but look at Wisdom teeth, which most of us will need to remove in our lifetime. Also look at the appendix.

We still have a lot of features we don't need. There is SOME medical and useful purpose to a circumcision.

A female circumcision is in my opinion more of the religious brainwashing bullshit. You sew up a woman's vagina until her wedding night, when the husband slices it open. Well I guess it helps reduce the chances of AIDS, since the woman has no pussy to fuck and whatnot...

But you are right, some women enjoy it and some fucked up society finds it normal, so I can't really tell them they're wrong, because then I'd be hypocritical.

It's just that in all societies male circumcision is done to BENEFIT the man getting the surgery. Prevent him from infection, disease, etc. I don't agree with just getting it because you're Jewish or Muslim, but if you feel your son would enjoy not having to worry about infection, then go ahead.

ON THE OTHER HAND, female circumcision is done for the benefit of the MALE, once again, so he can keep his wife in control and make sure she's not fucking around. It doesn't seem like the surgery is helping anyone so much as it is marking of the territory for the men.

Meh, the world is fucked up.

I don't really want to fight because I know I'm right. Not on the circumcision topic, mind you, just on your method of implementing it. I think you as a Brit can appreciate people's need to not have the government tell them how they can shape their child's penis.

I don't think there can be any argument either way (yes or no for circumcision) that is 100% safe either way. If we don't perform circumcisions, some people will have mutilated penises from infections/disease. If we do perform it, some people will have mutilated penises from...well...mutilation of penis. It's the same thing with wisdom teeth. A good % of people each year die getting their widsom teeth taken out, but know knows what would happen if they kept them in. That, perhaps, is the best allusion to circumcision.

I don't have any problems with you being anti-circumcision. According to Mill, free discourse is a necessary condition for intellectual and social progress, and I enjoy having this debate with you (albiet I'm not coming off too coherently). I think you should keep your view on circumcision, and you should try and influence everyone you meet to come to your way of thinking, of course. And if you influence enough people, eventually everybody will say "No thank you" when the doctor asks them they'd prefer little Johnny to shed some skin. And that's FINE WITH ME.

What I'm totally AGAINST, is how you want to completely remove any choice from the parents, forcing everyone not to circumcise their kid. Isn't it better to have an educated society where parents acknowledge both sides and chose to make the "better" choice, rather than being forced to make one?

You should start a movement to EDUCATE people on circumcision (however biased your facts may be, the pro-circ people would be just as biased) rather than to REMOVE FREE WILL from people. It's a touchy subject, like abortion, like self-mutilation, like all sorts of things, but let people make their own choices and choices for their little kids. If people are making uneducated choices, you're welcome to correct them, but for the love of god, LET THEM MAKE THE CHOICE.

Fun facts:
Studies have reported a rate of penile cancer from 3 to 22 times higher in uncircumcised than circumcised men.
The RACP states that the penis is lost in 1 in 1,000,000 circumcisions
The American Academy of Family Physicians states that death is rare, and cites an estimated death rate of 1 infant in 500,000 from circumcision
Gairdner's 1949 study reported that an average of 16 children per year out of about 90,000 died following circumcision in the UK. (a startling number, except it's from almost 60 years ago and many deaths occured as a result of drugs, not the operation)

I could cite reams of fun facts, and will if someone so desire, but its easier just to use a bit of not-so-common sense.

The majority of men in northern europe aren't circumcised at birth and yet we seem to get by quite happily without infection....maybe because we take personal hygiene more seriously than americans, I dunno.

But lets ask totse, how many uncircumised men, with a normal foreskin, here have suffered an infection that caused a permanent penile deformity or damage?

And a question also for those born with a chronically tight foreskin . No doubt you got some infections (my son did too) but did those infections leave your penis damaged?


Rykoshet, if circumcision was really so medically beneficial, do you think we'd be having this debate? Wouldn't every brit parent be insisting on their baby being cut? Do you really think brit parents aren't concerned about their baby's wellfare?

If there was a single iota of proof that circumcision at birth was wholesome or of value than it'd be done everywhere as a matter of course.

But as much as Americans might like to convince themselves otherwise there is no earthly good reason to mutilate their boys.

Oh does anyone happen to know how many girls die or suffer vaginal damage a year due to infections of the vulva?

I'm just here to note that the severity depends on the level of female circumcision, that the least severe is removing the clitoris hood, the most severe essentially sewing up the vaginal opening and removing a lot of tissue.

Male circumcision is mandatory for those of the jewish faith, and either suggested or mandatory depending on the branch of islam.

I see benefits to it and claims against, I'm not sure what I'd do to my own children, but I'll think about that in 5 or 6 years, or more.

I won't sit here and argue about the points, I know I'm happy enough as is, and Ryko (as a circumcised male) seems happy with his penis, I'll leave it at that, and up to individual parents on the decision, as it isn't my place to go telling anyone how to raise their child. Anyone can research it and make their own decision, whatever that ends up being.

I have decided that if I ever have kids (god forbid), they will not be circumsized. If I have a son and he wants to get circumsized, I won't stop him, but I'm not going to force it on him as a baby.

the least severe is removing the clitoris hood

Disregarding the pain and danger of actually having the procedure done, wouldn't this be a good thing, since it exposes the clitoris and therefore allows it to recieve more contact? I'm not saying that I'm advocating it, but it makes sense, at least to me.

Well if the argument is the same as for males, it may end up being less sensitive than before.

Besides, pulling the clitoris hood away isn't really a problem anyways. *shrug*

Neither is pulling back foreskin...

Ok people, lets end this debate now. I 'm getting a little tired of the idoicy and the whinging about parental choice.

Existing scientific evidence demonstrates potential medical benefits of newborn male circumcision; however, these data are not sufficent to recommend routine neonatal circumcision.

Now thats the official finding and stance of the APP (the AMERICAN ACADEMY OF PEDIATRICS).

Now if like me you're a cynical Ol'Git you'll translate that out of the doctoresque as 'we know damn well there is no real benefit but we're making too much fucking money carrying out this unnecessary proceedure to actually fess' up and say so.

Especially as the same document goes on to say that despite there being no real benefit that it should however still remain a matter of parental choice!

But hell, lets assume it should be read at face value.
t does it say?

Its simple people.

Even the fucking assholes who earn money doing it won't recommend it as necesssary.

That should tell you everything you need to know.

Children are a gift not a possession.

To submit a child to an operation to remove a healthy organ without pressing and valid, proven, need is child abuse.

I'll fight for parental rights til my last breath.

But

No parent has the right to abuse their child or to have it mutilated for reasons of fashion.

[/thread]

This is the smartest thing I've read in the entire topic, and I think it's a good note to end it on.

Unless there's an actual infection that needs treatment, I think all parents (myself included, whenever the hell I become one) owe it to their kids to leave the foreskin intact and let the kid decide whether or not he wants a mushroom cut.

Jackketc, do you agree to the terms of the truce?

This is the smartest thing I've read in the entire topic, and I think it's a good note to end it on.

Unless there's an actual infection that needs treatment, I think all parents (myself included, whenever the hell I become one) owe it to their kids to leave the foreskin intact and let the kid decide whether or not he wants a mushroom cut.

Jackketc, do you agree to the terms of the truce?

Sounds good to me

*is trying to fulfill HIS parental duties and figure out what the fuck is wrong with son's moped*

The manual is of course no help whatsoever - and i'm a mechanic, fuck knows how 'normal' people cope.

Sounds good to me

*is trying to fulfill HIS parental duties and figure out what the fuck is wrong with son's moped*

The manual is of course no help whatsoever - and i'm a mechanic, fuck knows how 'normal' people cope.

The word "manual" is not in a man's dictionary unless it is used to refer to manly things, like manual labour.

We've got a gearheads board though, maybe they could be of some assistance.

I vote uncut and fuck anyone who thinks otherwise.

I didn't get a choice in the matter; as such, I don't really give two shits. A dick is a dick, cut or not. Either one performs its function well enough. I'm cut, hasn't affected me in the slightest.

I never meant 1 hour-long without a break. Sometimes you need give your hands something to do for a few minutes while your tongue rests, or we'll do a 69 or something. There's a LOT of oral fixation going on, but nobody in their right mind goes for hours without coming up for a breather once in a while.

I like to give head too, but then I usually don't get as much sex after because she complains that it is to sensitive down there.

I wish I wasn't. Wouldn't do it to my kid.

I like to give head too, but then I usually don't get as much sex after because she complains that it is to sensitive down there.

Her mouth's not too sensitive. Neither is her ass.

I'm totally not circumcised.

I'm uncut and no girl has ever cared or mentioned it. i keep it clean and i get great blowjobs.

I would like to have been cut though.

I would like to have been cut though.

Can I ask why and what's stopping you?

Circumcision isn't normal in Australia as far as I'm aware.

I was going to sign it, but then I saw that you have to have a british postal code.:(

You know...I don't think I actually have a clitoris hood. I just looked for it and I couldn't see anything.

You know...I don't think I actually have a clitoris hood. I just looked for it and I couldn't see anything.

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http://wiki.bmezine.com/images/thumb/0/0b/Sarahvulva.jpg/511px-Sarahvulva.jpghttp://www.biocrawler.com/w/images/thumb/c/cb/350px-Clitoris-Vivero-Becker.jpg



I wish she'd cleaned her fingernails.

I really don't think I have one! I must be like a freak or something.:( I even gave myself a buzzcut down there so I could see better and now I feel all nekkid.

Soooo tonite hubby gets to play Ob-Gyn?

I vote uncut.

To all you snipped bastards: you have no idea the blow job potential you are missing out on.

Seriously.

What difference does it make?

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Fucking disgusting.

I'm uncut. And I just got head/handjob and she didn't need any lube, which I assume cut guys need. Maybe I'm wrong though.

That's what saliva is for.

Another question: Why do guys that are circumsized need lube, but uncircumsized guys don't?

Fucking disgusting.Too easy.That's what saliva is for.

Another question: Why do guys that are circumsized need lube, but uncircumsized guys don't?Because the foreskin can move on the shaft. Some circumcisions cause excessively tight skin that doesn't slide on the shaft, which is why they need lube.

However, not all circumcised guys need lube.

I, for one, don't.

Because the foreskin can move on the shaft. Some circumcisions cause excessively tight skin that doesn't slide on the shaft, which is why they need lube.

However, not all circumcised guys need lube.

I, for one, don't.

Damn my boyfriend for confusing me... I tried giving him a hand job once (something I still have yet to fully accomplish with anyone) and he complained that I wasn't doing anything but moving his foreskin back and forth. He says the same thing when I give him head, so I actually hold the foreskin down at the base with my hand while I'm doing it.

Uncut. Never once used lube to jerk it. -pride-

Post pictures and we'll let you know

I was mutilated at birth, but I'm looking to reverse the damage soon.

What difference does it make?

The head is more sensitive because it doesn't rub around on your underwear all day. Even in cut guys the head is almost always the most sensitive and uncut guys have it that much better when it is stimulated.

The head is more sensitive because it doesn't rub around on your underwear all day. Even in cut guys the head is almost always the most sensitive and uncut guys have it that much better when it is stimulated.

Bullshit. Unless you've experienced both and have a qualitative system of measuring sensitivity, you can't say shit like "it feels better for me because I'm so awesome".

Get some facts if you want to be taken seriously in this thread.

Bullshit. Unless you've experienced both and have a qualitative system of measuring sensitivity, you can't say shit like "it feels better for me because I'm so awesome".

Get some facts if you want to be taken seriously in this thread.

You didn't reply this way when somebody else said this exact same thing.

How about this. One day last year I decided to walk around with my foreskin pulled back all day. My head eventually felt partially numb to the feeling of fabric, and masturbating didn't feel as good that night because of the lost sensitivity.

You didn't reply this way when somebody else said this exact same thing.

How about this. One day last year I decided to walk around with my foreskin pulled back all day. My head eventually felt partially numb to the feeling of fabric, and masturbating didn't feel as good that night because of the lost sensitivity.

That's because I haven't slept in 3 days right now.

And how about this. I decide to walk around and ask girls if I have a bigger penis than Ron Jeremy. They said yes. Therefore I have a 10"+ penis.

Do I even need to tell you how fallacious your biased experiment was?

That's because I haven't slept in 3 days right now.

And how about this. I decide to walk around and ask girls if I have a bigger penis than Ron Jeremy. They said yes. Therefore I have a 10"+ penis.

Do I even need to tell you how fallacious your biased experiment was?

I'm sorry that I can't prove everything to you but this is what I have found out through personal experimentation and the testimony of others.

I don't think there's any difference in sensitivity, but really, it's impossible to prove, so I raise a more important point:

1. If there really is less sensitivity, no one could ever tell the difference, because very very few people get circumsized as adults, and even if they do it's not quite the same... so why does it matter?

2. Wouldn't less sensitivity=longer lasting sex? And isn't longer lasting sex more appealing to most women (or gay men, if you're into that)? And isn't that more helpful in the long run?

The ultimate point, though, is that, in asking many women about this over the course of my life, NOT ONE has ever said they preferred men uncircumsized... most express no preference. But of the few that express preference, it is ALWAYS towards a circumsized penis. So why limit your audience?

Plus, cleanliness, aesthetic quality, etc.

Circumcision rocks.

God help me but the idioicy in this thread just goes on and on an on although this time rykoshet is on the side of the angels.

Assuming the the circumcision was performed half way adquetely, and without damage to the head, then there is NO loss of sensivity.

How on earth could the head rubbing on your pants cause nerves somehow to die or be less sensitive??!

And how on earth does anyone measure sensitivity anyway?!

All that happens in a freshly circumcised adult is that they GET USED to their penis sending their brain the signal "I am rubbing on your briefs" and so after a while their brain ignores it.

Are we clear now?

Good.

I've always thought circumcision was the lazy mans penis, there's no effort in it.

This man speaks truth.

I don't get the difference. When you get a boner, the foreskin comes back off the head, so it's basically like being cirumcised. The only thing that could put it back would be a specific effort to do so (e.g. masterbating or handjob).

And it's not like anyone has a say in it either.

My husband has one of those "skin bridges." I always thought it was his frenulum, because it's located in the same place. We had a huge difference of opinion about circumcision back when I was pregnant. He thought we should do it, I was against it. All I can say is it's good we had a girl, because he'd probably STILL be bitching about it if we had an uncircumcised son.

And it's not like anyone has a say in it either.

Exactly.

That IS the point.

When you get a boner, the foreskin comes back off the head

I don't.

I don't.

Depends on the man and also how erect he is. Normally if I'm fully hard then it rolls back by itself but not always.

And that feeling when she rolls/pushes it back....man there's the BEST.EVER. REASON yet not to be circ'd.

I'm not circumcised and I'm largely content. I say largely because my foreskin is abit too tight and that prevents it from retracting during erection. It's not uncomfortable or anything and I can pull it back when it's erect (at which point it get's a little uncomfortable). I've considered circumcision on and off during the years but I've decided for the following reasons that it's not right for me .


I'm cheap
If it ain't broke don't fix it
I'm not willing to risk loss of sensitivity
I'm not willing to risk mutilation due to surgical error
I like the gliding motion that comes with a foreskin

I wish my parents hadn't chose to cut me. With a (allow me to make sure everyone is aware of this term) NORMAL PENIS, it's not difficult to keep clean. The sensitivity has been proven, and major areas packed in nerves are completely sliced off. Some of these are critical piece. I definitely won't do this to my first born.

A fucked up Jewish law that stuck. More harm than benefit any way you slice it, so to speak.

What is completely sliced off? Or do you mean that the foreskin is packed with nerves? Circumcision is ghey.

****Enters a 6 page long thread discussing cocks.... their look, their cleanliness, their sensitivity, and wonders why so much thought, worry and text is being bantered about OTHER PEOPLE'S dicks.

Can only conclude all the males on this thread are just a bunch of Phags!!!

New York pizza FTW!......everything else is just garbage.

I guess since you posted in the thread that means.......

You are all idiots. The foreskin is clearly a birth defect that every human male that has been born and most likely ever will be has.

Uncut. Love it.

My penis is cut, and I am glad it is. I've heard many girls talk about guys who were uncut as being disgusting or weird. Then again I live in America where circumcision is more popular than in other countries.

I've heard a lot of people joke about and laugh at people who are uncut, that's for sure. I really don't understand what skin flaps have to do with a person...

Uncut, and I like to think of my foreskin as a protective sheath that shields my wang from evil, until the time comes to do battle with pussy.

Battle is a glorious thing.

The pussy always wins :\

The pussy always wins :\

I laughed despite myself.

How do you know what a NORMAL PENIS is?

How much experience do you have with a NORMAL PENIS?

DO people actually let you experience their NORMAL PENIS'?

I am only asking because your penis is cut, which is not a normal penis according to you.

The pussy always wins :\

Touche, good sir. Touche.

I have loads of foreskin. Do you think I could raise money for cancer or some shit by donating some?

(L)

The foreskin is my favourite penisy part.

(L)

The foreskin is my favourite penisy part.

*win.

Same here, and I hate my parents for it...fuckin assholes! <sarcasm> I think I just MIGHT have a say in what happens to my dick!!</sarcasm>...I mean the whole notion is about as fucked up as your parents choosing who you're supposed to fuck as well.

LUCKILY, the asshole who cut me did a shitty job (in their medical opinion anyway)....in my opinion I feel lucky as hell! He left on a lot of what was originally there (frenulum, some of the foreskin, etc.), although I can never regain the millions of nerve endings I lost. I feel it's described perfectly as "mutilation" and I think it should be left to the kid to decide when he gets older (and gets to experience it first!). Just cause all you guys got cut and decided "hey I never missed it" doesn't mean we all like it, and as such the crap I hear about how it's not as clean or hygienic....FUCK THAT! they made soap for a reason you know!....it's just like saying "lets all remove people's tonsils and appendixes as a precaution so they never get tonsillitis/appendicitis"....it's a fallacious argument to think that prevention of something that is MORE THAN LIKELY NOT to happen is the best reason, and moreover, if you're worried of spreading STD's that goes back to the original argument of learning to clean yourself more effectively!

Rather than continuing to miss what I've lost, I learned about foreskin restoration and have since been saving up to get the kit....I can tell you right now from the simple preparations that it's very well worth it, and that in my opinion (having been cut) that remaining uncut does seem much better an option.

Here's another thing that simply fascinates me at the stupidity of the idea: religion. The Jews mandate that circumcision is required (and many other religious losers tagged on), but if you think about it....why would God want you to cut off something he gave you in the first place?...I mean according to those people (and the general perception) God made everything in his image, so technically to mutilate a person in such a way is sacrilege, right? Yet another reason to renounce organized religion...everything those fuckers say is a paradox of sorts.

They stopped circ'ing females (whatever you wanna call clitoris removal) ,so why the hell do we still circ males?

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