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| My God Can Beat the Shit Out of Your God For discussing any and all religious viewpoints. Intolerance will not be tolerated. Keeping your sense of humor is required. Posting messages about theological paradoxes is encouraged. |
# 1
2007-05-20, 03:50
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One War With No Religion
Name some wars that were not because of religion....anybody?
I'm curious
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# 2
2007-05-20, 04:12
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Re: One War With No Religion
Revolutionary War, Second Italian War, Spanish American War, War of 1812 now go suck Richard Dawkins cock somemore you moron.
If you want somemore just ask and ill go to wikipedia and pull somemore out of my ass.
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# 3
2007-05-20, 04:13
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Re: One War With No Religion
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Originally Posted by SAMMY249
Revolutionary War no go suck Richard Dawkins cock somemore you moron.
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Thomas Paine claimed that God intended Americans to be seperated from British rule. Win.
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# 4
2007-05-20, 04:19
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Re: One War With No Religion
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Originally Posted by shitty wok
Thomas Paine claimed that God intended Americans to be seperated from British rule. Win.
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That dosnt mean that it was started over "religion" religion and God are 2 different things also i doubt that little saying swayed them very much considering they were encouraged by his entire book not that one little saying so no you lose and fail at using logic, and I have added more.
Last edited by SAMMY249; 2007-05-20 at 04:27.
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# 5
2007-05-20, 04:22
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Re: One War With No Religion
bahahahahha Richard Dawkins can suck my cock for all I care.
I'm a Christain thank you, but.....most of those guys can suck my dick to; As well as every fucking retard in this entire world. But, not all.
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# 6
2007-05-20, 04:23
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Re: One War With No Religion
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Originally Posted by Severedset
bahahahahha Richard Dawkins can suck my cock for all I care.
I'm a Christain thank you, but.....most of those guys can suck my dick to; As well as every fucking retard in this entire world. But, not all.
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Ok......
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#7
2007-05-20, 04:26 |
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Re: One War With No Religion
Dude,
I went to a private Christain school for 10 years. We went mass because we were connected to a church, and we learned about God to. I havn't felt one bit of presence in, outside, or around me from God
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#8
2007-05-20, 04:29 |
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Re: One War With No Religion
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Originally Posted by Severedset
Dude,
I went to a private Christain school for 10 years. We went mass because we were connected to a church, and we learned about God to. I havn't felt one bit of presence in, outside, or around me from God
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Ya but that dosnt mean you can post that and act like a pompous atheist proclaiming all war were started over religion if you would change ".....anybody?" part it would sound less pompous and i probably wouldnt have went off like that.
BTW shitty wok im still waiting for you to come back and proclaim me the victor.... |
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#9
2007-05-20, 04:30 |
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Re: One War With No Religion
atheits can suck my dick to
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#10
2007-05-20, 04:31 |
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Re: One War With No Religion
Both world wars.
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2007-05-20, 15:33 |
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Re: One War With No Religion
Most wars arn't about religion. Governments simply make it about religion because its the easiest way to gather the peoples support.
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#12
2007-05-21, 07:01 |
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Re: One War With No Religion
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Originally Posted by Punk_Rocker_22
Most wars arn't about religion. Governments simply make it about religion because its the easiest way to gather the peoples support.
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I can see that supporting the OP's point.
Even during the World wars there were members of religious institutions proclaiming their God's will to do this and that.
It comes down to the individual's beliefs on why that war is being fought - and whether or not he should stand against it as a 'religious man'.
More often than not in recent wars many members of those fighting have held some sort of religious background for their cause - even if it may simply be to encourage others into their ranks.
It's probably why the church is officially silent on the issue of the 'war against terror'. |
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2007-05-21, 19:06 |
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Re: One War With No Religion
All wars? Frankly, I thought every last war ever fought was for the purpose of eliminating a threat, real or imagined.
The threat can be just about anything, but no war is fought for a reason other than insecurity.
If you think I'm wrong, name a war, and I'll prove I'm right. Hell, name any decision (tangible please...I'm not touching 'the divine' here) EVER made in all of history, and I'll prove that it was done solely because of an insecurity.
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2007-05-21, 20:53 |
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Re: One War With No Religion
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Originally Posted by Severedset
Dude,
I went to a private Christain school for 10 years. We went mass because we were connected to a church, and we learned about God to. I havn't felt one bit of presence in, outside, or around me from God
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thats because you don't believe in god |
# 15
2007-05-22, 02:55
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Re: One War With No Religion
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Originally Posted by SAMMY249
Revolutionary War, Second Italian War, Spanish American War, War of 1812 now go suck Richard Dawkins cock somemore you moron.
If you want somemore just ask and ill go to wikipedia and pull somemore out of my ass.
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Well said. 
There's also World War I, World War II (where an atheist regime murdered tens of millions), the Cold War (where another atheist regime murdered tens of millions), and the Korean War (where yet another atheist regime murdered -- and still murders -- millions).
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# 16
2007-05-22, 03:40
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Re: One War With No Religion
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Originally Posted by Rolloffle
Well said.
There's also World War I, World War II (where an atheist regime murdered tens of millions), the Cold War (where another atheist regime murdered tens of millions), and the Korean War (where yet another atheist regime murdered -- and still murders -- millions). |
Nazi germany had a vast majority of christians. and the government made several statement like this
"We were convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.
How you came up with the idea that it was a government promoting a secular world is beyond me.
And for the rest, They were a marxist, socialist, communist governemnts/countries. The fact that the leaders were atheist doesnt really matter. Even the fact that somebody like stalin destroyed churches and arrested priests doesnt matter. Those political movements require mass controll by the government over the people, you cant do that when theres a building spitting fairy tales taking peoples money.
Lots of wars have been faught for power and control, its human nature it seems. But there has been millions of deaths for the sole purpose of opposing religious views. "my god can beat the shit out of your god"
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# 17
2007-05-22, 04:49
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Re: One War With No Religion
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Originally Posted by boozehound420
Nazi germany had a vast majority of christians. and the government made several statement like this
"We were convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.
How you came up with the idea that it was a government promoting a secular world is beyond me.
And for the rest, They were a marxist, socialist, communist governemnts/countries. The fact that the leaders were atheist doesnt really matter. Even the fact that somebody like stalin destroyed churches and arrested priests doesnt matter. Those political movements require mass controll by the government over the people, you cant do that when theres a building spitting fairy tales taking peoples money.
Lots of wars have been faught for power and control, its human nature it seems. But there has been millions of deaths for the sole purpose of opposing religious views. "my god can beat the shit out of your god"
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Exactly. Just because atheist leaders murder millions doesn't mean shit. They don't kill in the name of atheism nor do they use atheism to rally against other countries. The fact Hitler was atheist is as relevant as the fact that he was a vegetarian. You can go ahead and say "Vegetarians killed millions of people" using the same exact logic.
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# 18
2007-05-22, 05:46
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Re: One War With No Religion
Revolutionary War.
The War of 1812
The Spanish War
Civil War.
World War I
World War II
Korea
Viet Nam
And that's only America.
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2007-05-22, 07:51 |
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Re: One War With No Religion
Exactly. Just because atheist leaders murder millions doesn't mean shit. They don't kill in the name of atheism nor do they use atheism to rally against other countries. The fact Hitler was atheist is as relevant as the fact that he was a vegetarian. You can go ahead and say "Vegetarians killed millions of people" using the same exact logic.
It's the same logic you pedophiles use to say "Christians killed millions of people".  |
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#20
2007-05-22, 08:23 |
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Re: One War With No Religion
What about the war on drugs?
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#21
2007-05-22, 08:41 |
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Re: One War With No Religion
WWII-Nazi Germany killed millions of JEWISH people, explain to me how that doesn't imply that religion was involved.
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2007-05-22, 11:02 |
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Re: One War With No Religion
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Originally Posted by Plebert
WWII-Nazi Germany killed millions of JEWISH people, explain to me how that doesn't imply that religion was involved.
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Because the real motivation was land acquisition to ease rising populations and increase the ability to industrialize the nation to further make war? The Jews were an excuse to get it started, and Hitler had to deliver what he promised for fear of revolution. |
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2007-05-22, 12:43 |
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Re: One War With No Religion
The war of the roses that occurred in England from 1455 to 1485 springs to mind as a war that was not caused by religion.
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#24
2007-05-23, 02:02 |
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Re: One War With No Religion
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Originally Posted by Plebert
WWII-Nazi Germany killed millions of JEWISH people, explain to me how that doesn't imply that religion was involved.
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If you actually attended your history classes you would know that he killed all races exept arians and nordic (and all "jewish led governments") because they were the "master race".
Hitler's religion is debatable but I dont think he was christian because all evidence points to him not and dont bring up him in church and with the pope and all that it was a political move. |
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2007-05-24, 17:02 |
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Re: One War With No Religion
im ashamed of yall, all these wars for all these reasons. i saw the war on drugs, and INSECURITIES? jumpin jesus on an ant bed the answer to the original op was simple
the war of the worlds right?
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2007-05-24, 17:36 |
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Re: One War With No Religion
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Originally Posted by Plebert
WWII-Nazi Germany killed millions of JEWISH people, explain to me how that doesn't imply that religion was involved.
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Genes != religion. |
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#27
2007-05-24, 23:21 |
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Re: One War With No Religion
I'd like to say that any war that has on either side any person dying who believes he or she is doing so for a god counts as a religious war. THis is made more obvious by leaders making comments to the point.
Revolutionary War.
The War of 1812
The Spanish War
Civil War.
World War I
World War II
Korea
Viet Nam
Revolutionary War: Colonists wanted to be seperate from england. This was justified by the fact that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness
Spanish-American War: America wanted territory because of the theory of Manifest Destiny, namely, america was destined by god to own the continent.
Civil War: two words: godless yanks.
World War I: This started because a duke got killed. Dukes are nobility. Nobility rules because of "divine right". So, the serbs killed the austrians god-appointed leader and they got pissed.
World War II: Come on, the nazis (who were either christian or pagan, debatable) killed a shitload of JEWS, CATHOLICS, etc.
Korea: America defends a totally unwilling country against "godless" communist forces. Remember, we're only religious now because the USSR wasn't.
Vietnam: America intervenes, delays and then destroys elections (which would have resulted in an atheist government) and then fakes an attack on its own troops to fight "godless commies".
Cold War: America gets pissed at communism, because its atheist. woot.
what else...
Imperialism: White people conquer the world under the guise of "saving" the brownies.
India-Pakistani border war: hindus killing muslims.
Darfur Genocide: Muslims killing tribalists.
Hundred Years War: English say god wants them to have france. French say god wants them to have france. Each side says the other is from satan.
Spanish Civil War: Communist and Anarchist atheists fight Fascist christians.
Napoleonic Wars: Napoleon is fought by the world because he's "godless". Napoleon owns everyone except russia, and then buttrapes the inqusition, stopping it from killing and torturing thousands of innocents.
War on Terror: Christian Fundies kill Islamic Fundies and vice versa.
Chinese Civil War: Chinese "godless commies" kill nationalists.
Any others?
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2007-05-24, 23:34 |
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Re: One War With No Religion
I'd like to say that any war that has on either side any person dying who believes he or she is doing so for a god counts as a religious war. THis is made more obvious by leaders making comments to the point.
Revolutionary War: Colonists wanted to be seperate from england. This was justified by the fact
Spanish-American War: America wanted territory because of the theory of Manifest Destiny, namely, america was destined by god to own the continent.
Civil War: two words: godless yanks.
World War I: This started because a duke got killed. Dukes are nobility. Nobility rules because of "divine right". So, the serbs killed the austrians god-appointed leader and they got pissed.
World War II: Come on, the nazis (who were either christian or pagan, debatable) killed a shitload of JEWS, CATHOLICS, etc.
Korea: America defends a totally unwilling country against "godless" communist forces. Remember, we're only religious now because the USSR wasn't.
Vietnam: America intervenes, delays and then destroys elections (which would have resulted in an atheist government) and then fakes an attack on its own troops to fight "godless commies".
Cold War: America gets pissed at communism, because its atheist. woot.
what else...
Imperialism: White people conquer the world under the guise of "saving" the brownies.
India-Pakistani border war: hindus killing muslims.
Darfur Genocide: Muslims killing tribalists.
Hundred Years War: English say god wants them to have france. French say god wants them to have france. Each side says the other is from satan.
Spanish Civil War: Communist and Anarchist atheists fight Fascist christians.
Napoleonic Wars: Napoleon is fought by the world because he's "godless". Napoleon owns everyone except russia, and then buttrapes the inqusition, stopping it from killing and torturing thousands of innocents.
War on Terror: Christian Fundies kill Islamic Fundies and vice versa.
Chinese Civil War: Chinese "godless commies" kill nationalists.
Any others?
You didnt address all of my wars (at the begining of the thread) and your saying that god and religion are the same thing.
I would go through your list of wars and look up the REAL causes of the war (as its been said its easier for people to back a war if it has a religious purpose behind it) but im too lazy.
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# 29
2007-05-24, 23:47
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Re: One War With No Religion
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Originally Posted by Severedset
bahahahahha Richard Dawkins can suck my cock for all I care.
I'm a Christain thank you, but.....most of those guys can suck my dick to; As well as every fucking retard in this entire world. But, not all.
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Yes, your LALALALA I CAN'T HEAR UUUU LALALALALA act was charming, now go away and let the grown ups talk
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2007-05-25, 02:12 |
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Re: One War With No Religion
You didnt address all of my wars (at the begining of the thread) and your saying that god and religion are the same thing.
I would go through your list of wars and look up the REAL causes of the war (as its been said its easier for people to back a war if it has a religious purpose behind it) but im too lazy.
Well, I got a few of them, but here they are:
Revolutionary War: (see previous post)
Second Italian War: This was a war fought on the instigation of kings. Kings rule by divine right. Hence, without divine right ergo without religion, this war would not have happened.
Spanish American War: (see previous post)
War of 1812: War was fought between Napoleon and the British Crown, again divine right.
Happy?
Also, I don't see a difference between god and religion. ITs all illusion.
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#31
2007-05-25, 02:36 |
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Re: One War With No Religion
Also, I don't see a difference between god and religion. ITs all illusion.
In your opinion its an "illusion" as for "without divine right ergo without religion, this war would not have happened." that is completely rediculous you are implying that if there was no such thing as religion that we would all be one nation not seperated and no appointed people to direct that seperated nation the fact is your blinded to the fact that NO ONE is thinking about "divine right" when this was going on all they were tought when they were being raised was king=high, king was insulted, insulter must pay. This view is so rediculous that i am going to completely ignore this thread.
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2007-05-25, 02:42 |
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Re: One War With No Religion
In your opinion its an "illusion" as for "without divine right ergo without religion, this war would not have happened." that is completely rediculous you are implying that if there was no such thing as religion that we would all be one nation not seperated and no appointed people to direct that seperated nation the fact is your blinded to the fact that NO ONE is thinking about "divine right" when this was going on all they were tought when they were being raised was king=high, king was insulted, insulter must pay. This view is so rediculous that i am going to completely ignore this thread.
Damn man, I'm just kicking your ass around this forum tonight.
Alright. For one, nation-states weren't originally one worldwide nation before religion made kings invoke divine right. They were democratic city-states that devolved into monarchy because of divine right. Without religion, the democratic nature of the city-state would have been preserved, and there wouldn't be touchy pricks to start wars for the poor to fight. It wasn't the people in the trenches who were thinking "lets make the people who insulted the people who own me pay", they were thinking "when the fuck can I get out of here". You fail.
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#33
2007-05-25, 02:51 |
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Re: One War With No Religion
This view is so rediculous that i am going to completely ignore this thread.
Should read
I'm not winning, so I'll take my bat and ball and go home. So neerrrrrrrrr.
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#34
2007-05-25, 03:56 |
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Re: One War With No Religion
I'm just saying.....Religion is the cause of almost every war. Religion is always brought up.
Saying that each other is a so called satan and he doesn't believe in this, or she worships this and it's wrong, and so were just going to kill yah so you can be saved and what not, or you can be put out of your misery.
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2007-05-25, 04:03 |
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Re: One War With No Religion
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Originally Posted by Severedset
I'm just saying.....Religion is the cause of almost every war. Religion is always brought up.
Saying that each other is a so called satan and he doesn't believe in this, or she worships this and it's wrong, and so were just going to kill yah so you can be saved and what not, or you can be put out of your misery.
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I don't know if religion is the cause of wars, but it is the nature of people to bring religion into it. The majority of people are at least slightly religious, so it is a way to group all the troops together. It's much the same as all fighting under one flag, or one country, but less formalised.
I mean, if most of the troops are christian or muslim, why not use that as a rallying point, rather than trying to explain the political differences of the enemy? |
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2007-05-26, 19:23
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Re: One War With No Religion
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Originally Posted by Severedset
bahahahahha Richard Dawkins can suck my cock for all I care.
I'm a Christain thank you, but.....most of those guys can suck my dick to; As well as every fucking retard in this entire world. But, not all.
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Sorry for your deprivation and depreciation of life... 
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2007-05-26, 19:34 |
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Re: One War With No Religion
Why can't people understand that Germany disliked jews on the baisis, of race not religion. They are infact a seperate race. Thier religion has NOTHING to do with it.
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2007-05-27, 23:16 |
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Re: One War With No Religion
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Originally Posted by InFest
Why can't people understand that Germany disliked jews on the baisis, of race not religion. They are infact a seperate race. Thier religion has NOTHING to do with it.
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While that is true, a good deal of the Nazi's actions were motivated by a sense of odinistic germanic purity. Also, the nazi's killed catholics. So pwn.
Again, the christian dogs like Sammy249 run cowardly and defeated. This is what I love doing. Breaking down the minds of those who want to "save" me to be exactly like them, and hate the same people as they do. Run, Sammy. You can't hide from your savior, but thats not deity you think it is. The only thing that can save you is the truth. And no lie or delusion of a god is the truth. |
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