First, thank you to all those that have patience with the nbees. If they did some reading first.......ya
Been reading for some months, just when ya think ya read threw all the forums/archives etc., there is a page with 16 pages to go! Hats off for those who help out. Also, LMAO many times! (glad to see totse get back going sometime ago!)

SWIM has had many dreams of this, though still a little confused? Have not found any write ups on this question. SWIM seems to have better luck with this order: First E then I2 then DH20 then RP. Let it sit for 5-10min then low heat...etc.,
SWIM has seen different views, like E and RP mix well, then dh20, then I2....etc.,

SWIM had a dream today with an ice bath. SWIM likes that kinda dream.

Though.... real question is when doing 5-10g does the order really matter?
(if this has been ansewed already... go ahead ....kick my ass! LOL thanks

The onset just begins different ways with different firing order. As long as your prepared for your firing order it doesn't matter. Speedy puts in the RP, then covers it with PSE, the easily adds the I and tries not to mix till hose taped on well. Then he will shake a little at a time for a slow start. But, to each his own. If youy start with rp & I, you will have a wicked start. Either way bee careful.

SpeedyDreamer said:
Either way bee careful.

hoping you would repley! Speedy seems to know his shit.... from all the reading. he... he..

SWIM always takes extreme caution. SWIM saw first hand, a friend burn his hands badly! Good thing swim had "safety first" in his dreams!SWIM tries to think "worse case" prior of...
This is why swim only dreams of doing 2 to 4g. Yes... pain in the ass due to very small but swim had to find out in his dreams how things react before going into a deep dream! Swim has had est. 15 or so little dreams and still fine with that. Swim knows when ever dealing with chems there is always a bad side to them! (hope some other nbees understand this)
I read some where, ALWAYS treat it like a first time experience... SWIM DOES!

Thanks Speedy!

....and big thanks for saying bee carful

SWICK has done hours of reading and research even brushed up on her basic chem. (Swick must of struggled in her chem 1&2 classes in college, cuz she can barely remeber them)

Reading through the thread there has been the mentioning of pseudoephedrine hydrochloride extended-release tablets, 120 mg used in some dreams place for E. Will these be able to break down cuz they are extended-release? And if so should Swick double the amount of TCE and Japan dry if dreaming of 96 120mg?

Well Speedy can't answer that one. He has not had the pleasure of anything except basic cold pills (pse & trip) and his 60s (pse only) which as long as they're being made by the manufactor then someone has them for sell. BongTech would probably be a good candidate to chime in on this one.

Thanks Speedy, Swick hopes BongTech will vist in Swick's dreams.

Just for shits and giggles, say if Swick get's the 60's reds or the white ones. Would soaking them in rubbing alcohol for a quick min to remove their waxy coating, be a benifical procedure to obtain cleaner E? Than removing the pills out of the solution to gently rub off their coating with a lint free towel and alow them dry before pulverize the pill mass and proceeding in the extraction process? Wow, sorry for the run on sentence as you can see english was never a strenght for me;0

I think you would do better to use tone...At least from what I have read, I am not an expert here

Speedy uses plain old tap water. shake well, decant, repete. Don't leave too long or they will start to melt. So, add h2o, shake, decant, repete.

alas - Speedy has 'transposed' BT's abilities at input into such topics...

am in same boat as Speedy.... live in a place where pills do not require the complex extractions; and so not intimately familiar with them, in all their glory.

and prior to that - the folks BT knew were GUP chucking backwoods birchers. so not a lot of input from any earlier dream-experiences either.

all that said - am sure have read of ways to deal with the time release pills; 120's and 240's. but dont have it to hand. most seem to stick to the 60's.

and as to Questions about TCE/JD - well can understand that that stems from AcidMelts slacker thread..... but worth bearing in mind that with A LOT of the pills now produced the TCE/JD (slanted E-gull) just will not do it. And the most recent extraction methods - StraightToBIII - are successful because they (sort of) mimic the action of the body/gut's processing of the pill.

By all means try simpler extraction methods - but dont be surprised if they dont result in the desired goods..... and some will seem extract 'fine'.. and look good pin-wheels, but will foil up later in any rxn.

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Originally posted by BongTech101:
alas - Speedy has 'transposed' BT's abilities at input into such topics...

am in same boat as Speedy.... live in a place where pills do not require the complex extractions; and so not intimately familiar with them, in all their glory.

and prior to that - the folks BT knew were GUP chucking backwoods birchers. so not a lot of input from any earlier dream-experiences either.

all that said - am sure have read of ways to deal with the time release pills; 120's and 240's. but dont have it to hand. most seem to stick to the 60's.

and as to Questions about TCE/JD - well can understand that that stems from AcidMelts slacker thread..... but worth bearing in mind that with A LOT of the pills now produced the TCE/JD (slanted E-gull) just will not do it. And the most recent extraction methods - StraightToBIII - are successful because they (sort of) mimic the action of the body/gut's processing of the pill.

By all means try simpler extraction methods - but dont be surprised if they dont result in the desired goods..... and some will seem extract 'fine'.. and look good pin-wheels, but will foil up later in any rxn.

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Why not use higher mg like 240s? if the work of cleaning is about the same.... less boxes to buy right?

^ that's the point: the 120's and 240's were always more difficult for folks to work with....

only recently - when almost ALL extractions (esp for those in USA) are highly complicated, have people begun to bother with the bigger time release pills.... and as mentioned, dont have the details to hand currently, but they are still an added headache.

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Thanks Guys! Swick is out the door to get the plain old 60's. Man she would of been disappointed if all her hard work was foiled by those 120's. If news changes...till than dream on.

BongTech101

Thanks for your input.

Swim new of swi that only used 240's. swim used to love swi results, smooth & clean. though never new how swi did the cleaning.

SWIM has had dreams using 240's but keep getting different results.Good dreams and some what shitty dreams. this would explain swim reading somewhere about never knowing whats in 240's. some may differ...

any how swim will start dreaming about not having 240's

thanks again to those with input on a topic that as been talked about.

So SWISpeedyD or BT, is Tone not the way to go? I understood that it will get the red off and leave the pill mostly intact.

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Not sayin it won't work cause thats the way Speedy used to do it.(tone) But he has found the water is just easier. Call it personal preference. The water seems to cut it immediatly wheras the tone just doesn't cut it as quick. Peeps think that because PSE is not soluable in tone and it is in water, that tone is better. Not in Speedys opinion. Try it both ways (not that much trouble) and see which you like better. Just remember with the water shake till the water changes color, decant, repete as necessary. Then report back which you liked the best. Speedy is all for speed and the work smarter not harder theory.

240's with s2b3 works and one dosnt have to deal with a millon tabs or buy a 1000 boxes
The tce\jd method dosnt do it anymore unless one has old pill stock.

Swi dj loves to see the elders and newbletts getting along in such a healthy manner

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Originally posted by dj FloridaDeathTrip:
Swi dj loves to see the elders and newbletts getting along in such a healthy manner

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Me too! he.. he.. nbee

Full respect for elders! It's gotta be frustrating for them seeing same questions and most of all dummy nbees not realizing how intence a dream can get! I know to take elders suggestions and sink them in deep! There is a reason why they say to do things... LIKE READ ALL FORUMS AND BE CAREFUL DREAMING ABOUT RUSULTS!

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Originally posted by dj FloridaDeathTrip:
Swi dj loves to see the elders and newbletts getting along in such a healthy manner

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Theres only 1 Speedy dosen't get along with, and thats only because he's a liar and disrespectful. He's not here though, so nobody read anything into that.
As long as its an educated question, that is we can tell by the way it's asked if you've done any research, theres noone that won't get the best help Speedy can give. But, if Speedy don't know he will flat say "I don't know" and try to direct poster toward the answer he (or she) seeks.

Yo swis... thanks again, completly understand above quote.

Here is one for you and the elders! I got this off "the new site" that was up for a few hours... Chemethist posted it there.AND I hope he doesn't get mad that I'm posting it here..? I did try to email Chemethist though no email posted. As you know i'm somewhat nbee, though been reading for months! So hope this is ok to post here also..?
Any how... any feedback about below? THANKS!


following was posted by Chemethist:

The Straight to bee 3 by WhoMe is a valuable extraction write-up that i am proud to sponsor on this board.

With modified ratios and other such tweaks in the write-up, The chemethist consistently comes away with 80% yields after turning the freebase back to a salt (HCL).

For every 800ml of white vinegar, add 280g of salt, and 50ml of Muriatic Acid.

Shake rattle and roll till its well mixed then let sit ofr a few hours. Filter the clear brine and keep in a seperate bottle.

Now it doesnt matter what pills you use, whether its 48ct. white 60s or 20ct. 120s always use 100ml of brine.

For those than cant count here is the run down on pills to brine ratio...

100ml of Brine per...

96 30mg pills
48 60mg pills
20 120mg pills
10 240mg pills

Always crush the pills to a fine powder. then mix with brine and boil for at least 20 minutes.

Filter this through 1 coffee filter and 1 cotton ball, this should give a clear solution. If the solution isnt clear, then bee prepared to do some extra cleaning after this extraction.

Base with sodium carbonate till ph 7.

Add plenty of naptha to this, and start heating.

Use a 40% Sodium Hydroxide solution, add the solution until the bottom is full of fluffy white substance. This is your freebase.

Boil until the fluffy white freebase has dissapeared and dissolved into the naptha layer. Collect the naptha and put in freezer.

Now wait a few hours and you return you should find all of the freebase at the bottom of the jar. Filter this and wash with a little fresh naptha. Then with a ice-cold water wash, and then a hexane wash. Do not skip these steps.

Collect/weigh.


You should get at least 70% yields. Those of you that really strive for every little bit will get 80-85% yields.




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Back to origional topic for a minute,read'n this thread brought back very warm'n fuzzy and smelly,sloppy,sticky,long wet dream memories.Swir's wet dreams have long since been over the frigid,stinky,german lady.
10 minute Rxn's,80% n'up yeilds,bases E for swiy,and sometimes seems to like gaak.But thats a different thread,when swir dreamt of LWR's he seemed to have best dreams with; R & H20 1st,I2 added slowly to very cold H20,
mix a little as warms and apply small amount of heat to just start Rxn/see smoke...
*Then*,add E,quickly stirring...logic being untill chems mix/smoke,swiy doesn't have his hydriotic acid,and E is just mixing with and blocking his goods from reacting untill the acid forms.This isn't just swir's opinion,
this method is outlined by a great renowned chemist and known as the slacker Rxn.A man so bold as said to advertise & sell this procedure for $10.00 on line.Just the idea of someone trying to proffit from this...but
maybe the best $10.00 swim ever dreamed of spending.
Need to go through & read all the stb3 threads,but from what swir recalls,a lot of bee's were getting the "jelly"-solid associated with H20 activated gaaks.Not too suprising since vinegar is mostly water...
Any stbee's dreamt of this problem?

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Need to go through & read all the stb3 threads,but from what swir recalls,a lot of bee's were getting the "jelly"-solid associated with H20 activated gaaks.Not too suprising since vinegar is mostly water...
Any stbee's dreamt of this problem?

ya swim feels like a dummy... LOL

swim already started digging...
guess swim started getting help, so swim started wanting a hand to hold on to! lol

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Originally posted by rumpranger:
.This isn't just swir's opinion,
this method is outlined by a great renowned chemist and known as the slacker Rxn.

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If you look just below this. you will see
"The complete collection of write ups to dream meth. Under that thread you will see Acid melts "Slacker Reaction". Its here for FREE!!!And was here 1st.

Swir made mistake when he referenced "Slackers" rxn.He's been away from the LWR's for so long he mixed up names.
The method swir refers to was from a dreamer going by the name of "Spoiller" not "Slacker",so speedy is correct,slackers been here long time and is free for all.
His method does not use the same order of mixing chems by the way,not sure if this order,or spoillers rxn. is posted here,but havn't seen it.Sorry for the name error,but
swir sticks by this order of mixing the mud.