Police Files Say Arrest Tactics Calmed Protest
By Jim Dwyer
The New York Times

Friday 17 March 2006

In five internal reports made public yesterday as part of a lawsuit, New York City police commanders candidly discuss how they had successfully used "proactive arrests," covert surveillance and psychological tactics at political demonstrations in 2002, and recommend that those approaches be employed at future gatherings.

Among the most effective strategies, one police captain wrote, was the seizure of demonstrators on Fifth Avenue who were described as "obviously potential rioters."

The reports provide a rare glimpse of internal police evaluations and strategies on security and free speech issues that have provoked sharp debate between city officials and political demonstrators since the Sept. 11 attacks.

The reports also made clear what the police have yet to discuss publicly: that the department uses undercover officers to infiltrate political gatherings and monitor behavior.

Indeed, one of the documents - a draft report from the department's Disorder Control Unit - proposed in blunt terms the resumption of a covert tactic that had been disavowed by the city and the federal government 30 years earlier. Under the heading of recommendations, the draft suggested, "Utilize undercover officers to distribute misinformation within the crowds." Asked about the proposal, Paul J. Browne, the chief spokesman for the Police Department, said yesterday: "The N.Y.P.D. does not use police officers in any capacity to distribute misinformation."

Mr. Browne also said that the "proactive" arrests referred to in the report - numbering about 30 - involved protesters with pipes and masks who he said presented an obvious threat.

In another report, a police inspector praised the "staging of massive amounts" of armored vehicles, prisoner wagons and jail buses in the view of the demonstrators, writing that the sight "would cause them to be alarmed."

Besides the draft report, the documents released yesterday included four final reports written by commanders to assess police performance during the World Economic Forum, which met in New York from Jan. 31 to Feb. 4, 2002.

The economic forum, a private organization that normally meets in Davos, Switzerland, and draws a grab bag of leaders from government, business, and academia - as well as protesters from a miscellany of causes and movements - was moved to the city as a gesture of solidarity after the attacks. Security was extremely tight around Midtown Manhattan, where the delegates were meeting at the Waldorf-Astoria, and demonstrators were kept blocks from the hotel. Officials spoke of violence during anti-globalism protests at other high profile gatherings in Seattle and Genoa, Italy.

In the end, though, as one of the police reports noted, "the amount of confrontation and number of arrests were lower than expected."

Parts of that document and others were made public, over the objections of the city, by a federal magistrate, Gabriel W. Gorenstein, who said the excerpts went to the heart of a lawsuit brought by 16 people who were arrested at an animal rights demonstration during the economic forum. The police said they were blocking the sidewalk and had refused to obey an order to disperse; the demonstrators said no one told them to move.

Many of the issues in the animal rights case, which challenge broad police tactics and arrest strategies, resonate in well over a hundred other lawsuits brought against the city by demonstrators who were arrested at war protests, bicycle rallies and during the Republican National Convention.

Daniel M. Perez, the lawyer representing the people arrested at the animal rights demonstration, argued that the police tactics "punish, control and curtail the lawful exercise of First Amendment activities." The Police Department and the city have said that preserving public order is essential to protecting the civil rights of demonstrators and bystanders.

Mr. Perez maintains that the police documents, taken together, show a policy of pre-emptive arrests. The draft report discussed how early arrests could shape future events. "The arrests made at West 59th Street and Fifth Avenue set a 'tone' with the demonstrators and their possible plans at other demonstrations," the report stated.

The disorder control unit's commander, Thomas Graham, is listed as the author of the report, but the document is not signed and the word "draft" is handwritten across the top.

The same tactic is cited in another report, dated Feb. 8, 2002, and signed by Capt. Robert L. Bonifaci, commander of the Queens North Task Force. Captain Bonifaci wrote, "It should be noted that a large part of the success in policing the major demonstration on Saturday, Feb. 2, 2002, was due in part to the proactive arrest policy that was instituted at the start of the march at 59th Street and Fifth Avenue, and directed toward demonstrators who were obviously potential rioters."

Elaborating on the report, Mr. Browne, the police spokesman, said that plainclothes officers saw a group of demonstrators put on masks as they drew near the Plaza Hotel, then take out metal pipes and try to rush police lines.

"In addition to mainly peaceful protesters, the W.E.F. attracted hard-core, violent elements that were shriveled by the N.Y.P.D.," Mr. Browne said, citing the incident at the Plaza. "Yes, we used surveillance techniques to track and hopefully disrupt violent elements. That's proactive."

About 30 people were arrested there, and virtually all their cases are now sealed, indicating that the charges were either dismissed by prosecutors or dropped after six months without further incident.

The Police Department report from Michael E. Shortell, a deputy inspector who headed a narcotics command in northern Manhattan, included a list of "positive aspects" of the Police Department's approach. Among them: "The staging of massive amounts of equipment in the key areas (e.g. armored vehicles, command posts, prisoner wagons, Department of Correction buses, city buses)."

Capt. Timothy Hardiman also took note of what he saw as the helpful presence of city corrections buses, which are used to transport prisoners and have reinforced windows, protected by metal grids.

"It was useful to have buses with corrections officers on hand," Captain Hardiman wrote. "They also had a powerful psychological effect."

Mr. Browne said the main reason buses were on hand was to quickly move prisoners from an arrest scene. "If a corrections bus had a deterrent effect on someone contemplating a violent act, then that's value added," he said.

However, the draft report stated that the emphasis on quickly moving prisoners had not been helpful. "This hastened the process adding to the confusion and increasing the potential for mistakes to be made," the report stated.

Mr. Perez said the show of force sent a deliberate warning to people expressing their opinions. "The message is, if you turn out, be prepared to be arrested, be prepared to be sent away for a long time," he said. "It sounds like something from a battle zone."

Demonstrators arrested during the economic forum were held by the police for up to 40 hours without seeing a judge - twice as long as people accused of murder, rape and robbery arrested on those same days, Mr. Perez said.

Mr. Browne of the Police Department said that the arrests were processed as quickly as possible, and that protesters were not singled out for longer detention.

The reports, which were heavily edited at the request of the city, also discuss the use of undercover officers at the protests. Captain Hardiman wrote that "the use of under covers from narcotics provided useful information." And on Inspector Shortell's list of positive aspects of the strategy, he listed "the use of undercover personnel in the ranks of the protesters."

The power of the police to secretly monitor political gatherings was tightly controlled by a federal court between 1985 and early 2003, the result of a lawsuit by political activists from the 1960's who charged that police undercover officers had disrupted their ability to express their opinions. Many of the restrictions from that case, known as Handschu, were eased at the request of the city in 2003.

The proposal to use undercover officers to spread misinformation - which the Police Department says was not adopted - recalled the origins of the Handschu lawsuit, which was based in part on the actions of undercover agents and officers who instigated trouble and spread lies among a group of military veterans who opposed the Vietnam War.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/031706E.shtml

They're gay commie terrorist traitors, what do you expect? And why are you defending they're rights (a word widely known to be used only by gays and terrorists)? Are you also a gay terrorist???

In fact these proactive arrests are a great idea. We should take it one step further and arrest the babies of anyone who's been involved in a protest, that'll show those pinko commie hippy terrorists...

Oh yea, kill towelheads, kill em.

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Police Files Say Arrest Tactics Calmed Protest

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They were carrying out the will of the people of New York and maintaining order; that's their job. How many times do we need to see your dumbass protests out in the middle of the road? We get it: you're a fucking moron and you don't like Bush. Great. Now get your bullshit out of the middle of traffic and quit rioting. Douchebags.

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They're gay commie terrorist traitors, what do you expect? And why are you defending they're rights (a word widely known to be used only by gays and terrorists)? Are you also a gay terrorist???

In fact these proactive arrests are a great idea. We should take it one step further and arrest the babies of anyone who's been involved in a protest, that'll show those pinko commie hippy terrorists...

Oh yea, kill towelheads, kill em.

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Good to see you're catching on.

Do you spend your whole day looking for news articles so you can spam up the board?

Why haven't you been banned yet?

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Originally posted by book em dano:
Do you spend your whole day looking for news articles so you can spam up the board?

Why haven't you been banned yet?

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This is all political truth and not spam at all. I have not been banned because I have done nothing to be banned for.

I am sorry that the truth offends you but really you should read what I am posting and see how far the US of A has fallen.

It is a sad thing and it saddens me but I feel that it is important to post these facts.

I am willing to bet that most folks on the PLR&C forum are not very familiar with the civic duties that they should practice and think that posting lies for Bush is an honorable method to fulfill what they think is their civic duty.

Why are you so annoyed with the truths that I post here? I am sure you will say that I am un-American for posting what is critical of the Government.

+1 for banning Hacker.

+1 for Hacker bringing it to you and making you deal with your shit.

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What "shit"? I don't see a problem in the story. It isn't political, its irrelevent, its spam. Ban that asshole.

The police are protecting us from crazy-ass rioters. Pre-emptive action is a good idea. Would you rather have them arrested before or after they start rioting. Personally, I'd rather before. If they want to say something, then they should say it, not make a big deal out of it.

This is paranoid delusions material.

Really, its just the police being smart about doing their job. They are protecting the public and it sounds like they did damn fine work in this situation.

I'm glad I did such a good butthrax impression.

In all seriousness though, anyone who seriously supports 'proactively' arresting protesters, is acting unpaitriotic and like a traitor, regardless of what they think of themselves. You wacko fringe types think you're country is built on dissalowing protests to the point of making them arrestable, you know fuck freedom of assembly and free speech right?

This is why I call you fringe types, and as time goes by that will only become more true.

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hacker needs to A grow balls and try and change the country istead of bitch....but god knows he dosnt have the smarts for thats....and B move out...fuck if you dislike the country so bad leave. theres always that choice....ohh but noo hes to big a pussy to leave america, and so hes just gonna bitch


americans like YOU are the reason us from around the world think your stupid people..

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hacker needs to A grow balls and try and change the country istead of bitch....but god knows he dosnt have the smarts for thats....and B move out...fuck if you dislike the country so bad leave. theres always that choice....ohh but noo hes to big a pussy to leave america, and so hes just gonna bitch


americans like YOU are the reason us from around the world think your stupid people..

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The Sunday Times - Sport

The Sunday Times March 19, 2006

Boxing: King of New York
John Duddy�s first-round victory raised the roof. His thrilling talent now needs to build up from solid foundations
They announced the attendance in the Madison Square Garden Theatre as 5,038, the capacity, though it felt like Irish Ropes Promotions had been forced by sheer weight of numbers to open the doors to several hundred more. �The kid�s the greatest ticket-seller I�ve ever seen,� said a beaming Lou DiBella, promoter of the world middleweight champion Jermain Taylor.

On the eve of St Patrick�s Day, John Duddy had already set one mark without setting foot in the ring. When he did, to face Shelby Pudwill for the vacant WBC Intercontinental Americas middleweight title, a spurious belt which was not what the night was really about, the legion of Irish who had taken over New York and declared an early weekend were treated to the fireworks they craved. The �Duddy and Puddy show�, as one ringside wag dubbed it, was over in 91 seconds with the 26-year-old Derry man�s ferocious power overwhelming his experienced American opponent.

�Duddy�s become a real phenomenon out here,� said the New York boxing writer Bob Mladinich. �I haven�t seen this type of local idolatry since Gerry Cooney was on his way up.� The crowd was raucous and, as they hit the bars to begin celebrations, Duddy was the toast of Broadway.

�It�s been an incredible night. There wasn�t a voice in the place that wasn�t Irish. A first- round knockout in Madison Square Garden, my God, it doesn�t get much better than this,� said Duddy�s father, Micky, an ex-boxer who looked like a fighting man in Valhalla. �It�s been a great way to start St Patrick�s weekend in New York.�

Duddy deserved the rave reviews, though Pudwill did nothing for the fistic honour of North Dakota. Beaten only twice before in 21 fights, he was floored by a solid left-hook to the temple inside 30 seconds and never recovered. That he actually made it back to his feet was an achievement in itself as he was moving forward at the moment of impact, multiplying the effect of the punch.

�He did well to get up from that one,� Duddy agreed. �I could see when he did get up that his legs weren�t too good, so I just let my punches go.� Duddy�s punching prowess is well-established for this was his 14th inside-the-distance win in 16 pro fights. When the referee Wayne Kelly waved them back into action, Pudwill was quickly down again. He beat the mandatory count of eight but Duddy fired in another right which crashed off the side of the American�s head and, wisely, the referee stepped in before Pudwill hit the canvas.

Even Duddy seemed surprised by the ease of his victory. �I didn�t in my wildest dreams think I was going to walk into Madison Square Garden and knock out a guy with 21 wins in the first round. The first punch, the left hook, shook him to his boots and it was just a matter of not getting too wild after that. I tried to pick my shots and make every punch count and I�m just delighted I was able to put on a show like this for all the people who came to the arena. To have that kind of support behind you is fantastic. It�s a fighter�s dream to have had the experience I�ve had here tonight.�

He could have been back in Derry, such was the level of support. But this was Madison Square Garden, the grandest stage of all, where a pipe band from Donegal played him into the ring and the Sam Maguire Cup was paraded by the holders from Tyrone. Even the round-card girls were step-dancers in native costume.

�There�s no question that Duddy can punch,� said DiBella, clearly impressed. �He�s a real prospect. But I�m not sure he�s a top 10 middleweight just yet. You have to judge it against the quality of opposition and Pudwill, let�s be honest, didn�t show much. But any fighter caught by a legitimate punch like that is entitled to be stopped in a round. He would have shown remarkable recuperative powers to come back from it.

�The problem that they (Irish Ropes) have is matching Duddy. There�s a danger of moving him too quickly without really testing him against better opposition. If he fought Jermain Taylor right now, it�s a one-round fight. But that won�t happen for a while and in the meantime the kid�s only going to get better.�

Eddie McLoughlin, who handles Duddy, said only that his fighter would stay busy. �That�s the way he�s going to learn and that�s the way John likes it. He wants to be in the ring as often as he possibly can,� said McLoughlin. �Tonight has been a phenomenal success, the fan base is astounding and John�s now a huge star here on the (American) east coast. He just needs to keep it going � and I�m sure he will.�
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Originally posted by buttthrax:
What "shit"? I don't see a problem in the story. It isn't political, its irrelevent, its spam. Ban that asshole.

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Let me refer you to a little document called the CONSTITUTION...

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Hence, this is political, since it deals with blocking of first amendment rights.

OOPS, you're an assclown.

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Butthrax doesn't care about the constitution or freedom of assembly. He's really an in the closet anti american traitor.

So do tell me how the city of New York violated anybody's 1st amendment rights. The "proactive arrests" were of criminals who were breaking the law to begin with, regardless of their asinine political statements. It isn't a free speech issue. The New York Slimes cannot change that fact.

Freedom of assembly (yes that includes protests), you idiot.

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Originally posted by buttthrax:
The "proactive arrests" were of criminals who were breaking the law to begin with, regardless of their asinine political statements.

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This is obviously not true, considering virtually all the cases were dropped by prosecutors. Nice attempt at making up bullshit though.

The fact remains, you disagree with freedom of assembly and as such, don't think the constitution should apply anymore. How patriotic is that?



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Originally posted by buttthrax:
So do tell me how the city of New York violated anybody's 1st amendment rights. The "proactive arrests" were of criminals who were breaking the law to begin with, regardless of their asinine political statements. It isn't a free speech issue. The New York Slimes cannot change that fact.

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Freedom of assembly (yes that includes protests), you idiot.

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FUCKING OWNED!!!

But you still cannot tell me how the first amendment was infringed can you? The thread title says freedom of speech was limited. Thats false. Another one of you fags says freedom to assemble was violated. Also false. The police were not disallowing the protest nor regulating its message. Their actions were done solely to maintain order. So take your "ROFLPWNED!!!!1" bullshit and shove it straight up your ass.

I'll admit that I was pretty skeptical of the police's actions as well. That is until I saw who they were pre-emptivly arresting.

"Mr. Browne also said that the "proactive" arrests referred to in the report - numbering about 30 - involved protesters with pipes and masks who he said presented an obvious threat."

You dont wear a ski-mask to peacefully protest someting. There are certainly more pressing issues out there than some wannabe Black Bloc morons getting busted.

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Originally posted by buttthrax:
But you still cannot tell me how the first amendment was infringed can you? The thread title says freedom of speech was limited. Thats false. Another one of you fags says freedom to assemble was violated. Also false. The police were not disallowing the protest nor regulating its message. Their actions were done solely to maintain order. So take your "ROFLPWNED!!!!1" bullshit and shove it straight up your ass.

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To awnser your question, protests involve both freedom of speech and freedom of assembly, duh.

I missed the part about pipes and masks though, that does change things.

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Originally posted by TheLaUghiNgHeretic:
I'll admit that I was pretty skeptical of the police's actions as well. That is until I saw who they were pre-emptivly arresting.

"Mr. Browne also said that the "proactive" arrests referred to in the report - numbering about 30 - involved protesters with pipes and masks who he said presented an obvious threat."

You dont wear a ski-mask to peacefully protest someting. There are certainly more pressing issues out there than some wannabe Black Bloc morons getting busted.

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Well, that certainly puts a new spin on the story, lol. Which kind of pwns all of the guys defending the rioters.

Silly me, I was assuming that you all had actually read the article.

Kinda strange that the guys with the pipes and masks just allowed themselves to be arrested if they were so bent on being a threat. That article does not mention any assaults on the police by them. Seems the police spokesperson Browne would have mentioned them if any assaults by the demonstraters took place.

Just shut the fuck up. It says they "rushed police lines". That's an arrestable offense. Stop fucking whining.

HOU U PEPLE GON START A REVOLOOSHUN IF U CANT RED GUD!

Reading and comprehension skills are merely tools of the evil Bush regime and his gang of capitalist oppressors. The police should allow the freedom fighters with ski masks and blunt objects to have free will to destroy things and hurt people. Anything else is a provokation just like Amerikkka did to innocent Saddam. Peace, love, pot. Fight the power.

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Originally posted by book em dano:
Do you spend your whole day looking for news articles so you can spam up the board?

Why haven't you been banned yet?

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I'm working on it.

*cracks knuckles*

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I missed the part about pipes and masks though, that does change things.

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You mean you apologize for insulting buttthrax because you didn't read the whole article...right ?

Also, this could mean that you were being a jackass.

Either one of those will do.

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Originally posted by Hacker:
Kinda strange that the guys with the pipes and masks just allowed themselves to be arrested if they were so bent on being a threat. That article does not mention any assaults on the police by them. Seems the police spokesperson Browne would have mentioned them if any assaults by the demonstraters took place.

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So I guess you think that profiling isn't a necessary evil of law enforcement ?

If you see a guy in a ski mask at a rally, and DON'T do something about it, when they hurt someone it's your ass that's grass. That ski mask gave the police a little thing called PROBABLE CAUSE.

Grow up.

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Originally posted by buttthrax:
Reading and comprehension skills are merely tools of the evil Bush regime and his gang of capitalist oppressors. The police should allow the freedom fighters with ski masks and blunt objects to have free will to destroy things and hurt people. Anything else is a provokation just like Amerikkka did to innocent Saddam. Peace, love, pot. Fight the power.

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ROFL

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So I guess you think that profiling isn't a necessary evil of law enforcement ?

If you see a guy in a ski mask at a rally, and DON'T do something about it, when they hurt someone it's [b]your ass that's grass. That ski mask gave the police a little thing called PROBABLE CAUSE.

Grow up. [/B]

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Ok thank you.

The NYPD is not the bastion of honesty and fairness are they?

I mean if you say corrupt cops what police force pops into your head.

All I am saying is that if we believe the police then we must think that the weapons were there to be used.

And since it seems they were not used then why were they there?

What I am saying is that I do not take the word of police officers automatically and I know that they do lie.

Yea thanks for the advice to grow up.

And probable cause is not a reason to arrest someone.




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Putting on a ski mask and rushing the police with blunt objects in hand at the very least is disorderly conduct: an arrestable offense. You and gay_fag=hell both have your feet in your mouths. Now shut the fuck up.

Theres some brilliant logic right there.

"Some cops are bad, therefore all protestors are good."

It is possible that the people arrested might have had pipes for property destruction. It's not uncommon for people to just go around and break stuff during events like that.

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Ok thank you.

The NYPD is not the bastion of honesty and fairness are they?

I mean if you say corrupt cops what police force pops into your head.

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Strawman, not to mention irrelevant.

Corrupt cops are everywhere. That doesn't mean that we have the right to limit their ability to keep the general public safe.

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All I am saying is that if we believe the police then we must think that the weapons were there to be used.

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For what other purpose did these individuals show up with ski masks and weapons ?

Were they going to participate in a rain dance ?

Those evil cops.

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And since it seems they were not used then why were they there?

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It's ok to make the assumption that they intended to use their weapons. Then no one gets hurt.

It's NOT ok to make the assumption that they had no intention of using their weapons, especially when they had ski masks on them.

You'd make a terrible cop.

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What I am saying is that I do not take the word of police officers automatically and I know that they do lie.

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All people lie.

You lie.

So what ?

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Yea thanks for the advice to grow up.

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Is that supposed to be some bastion of hope that you will heed my advice ?

*gets excited and claps her hands*

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And probable cause is not a reason to arrest someone.

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Probably cause is enough to allow a search, which would turn up ski masks and weapons, which would then lead to an arrest.

If you are out of high school, I strongly suggest that you take some Criminal Justice courses.

Seriously.

<<<<<<<<<<That ski mask gave the police a little thing called PROBABLE CAUSE. ----- This is what DS posted.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Oh I am sorry DS. I thought you said that the ski mask that the police saw gave the police a little thing called PROBABLE CAUSE. What you posted is a little bit unclear as to meaning.

So you are gonna ban me DS?

How about you address my posts, you fucking douchebag.

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So I guess you think that profiling isn't a necessary evil of law enforcement ?

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The reason it is evil because the police miss crimes being committed by people who aren't actively being profiled such as women. The police don't arrest the people who aren't being profiled and those people will continue to commit crimes.

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How about you address my posts, you fucking douchebag.

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Well Buttthrax I did not see the term 'Ski Mask' anywhere in that article. But I did notice that there were no charges brought against the demonstrators.

It is like freedom curtailed in a police state I guess for no crime committed.

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The reason it is evil because the police miss crimes being committed by people who aren't actively being profiled such as women. The police don't arrest the people who aren't being profiled and those people will continue to commit crimes.

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Yes, because the female crime problem in this country is just out of control.

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Yes, because the female crime problem in this country is just out of control.

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I neglected to mention that blacks and young males are the real losers. It's amazing how much racism there still is in this country.

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Originally posted by Hacker:
Well Buttthrax I did not see the term 'Ski Mask' anywhere in that article. But I did notice that there were no charges brought against the demonstrators.

It is like freedom curtailed in a police state I guess for no crime committed.

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Whats the difference whether its a mask or a ski mask? I'm just giving a visualization of the facts, you goddamn retard. I stated at that at the very least they were committing the arrestable offense of disorderly conduct. So then you go and obsess over somebody else's use of the words "probable cause" rather than addressing my mutherfucking post.

There were no charges? Then why are you pissing and moaning? Disorderly conduct is a petty offense, yet still an arrestable offense. I would assume the city of NY has better shit to prosecute. Seriously they arrested the troublemakers, the only reason you and pissing and moaning is because you want violence in the streets of America. You are a far left lunatic who wants to destroy the Constitution.

Goddamn faggot.

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I neglected to mention that blacks and young males are the real losers. It's amazing how much racism there still is in this country.

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Who said a goddamn thing about race?