God Created Shit, Holden put it on wheels.

This is my view. What is yours?

Ok I'll admit that I'm a 'tard... Who is Holden? Or what...?

Holden is a car company in Australia I am not sure what they are called overseas but they make the Commador, in my oppinion they create "Wanker" cars, that just break down really quikly

Yeah shit, shit all over fords.
And they just keep winning don't they.

What exactly does this have to do with fords?
They keep winning because of the sheer numbers of fords involved in racing.

Holden is part of GM. I went to their website when this was posted elsewhere. They do have some nasty looking shit.

Mmmmm well lets see, in Australia there are many makes of cars, but the two main ones when talking about rivalry are Holdens and Fords.And yes there are a bloody lot of Fords racing over here, and thats why Holdens are better, because their the ones that keep winning.....King of the hill(again)....

This aint about racing, it is about the street cars.

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Originally posted by Mayhem Manic:
This aint about racing, it is about the street cars.

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You guys got streets?

Children Children....

everybody knows that in Australia Holden rules the roost.

always has and always will.

i'll admit there are some nice fords around...but mainly the old 70's ones..

and for all u Americans... Holden's Monaro is being rebadged and sent to u as the Pontiac GTO. A two door modern day muscle car.

check out www.hsv.com.au

croc

fords are gay
every good aussie knows this
you see more holdens on the streets that fords
the only people who buy fords are wierd or companies who get fleets at a cheap price,
and...
holden take 1 2 3 4 5 at bathurst
nuf sed

You think Bathurst is everything? Well if Ford is so shit, well then, why did Holden copy some of the AUIII's steering system for the VY? If Ford is so shit, why did the XW Ford Falcon GT-HO PhaseII break the 200kW and 250kW barriers simultaniously in 1969?
Holden broke 200kW in 1971 and 250kW in 1999. The GT-HO PhaseII made 274kW/550Nm. Why did Ford break the 7.0sec 0-100km/h barrier again in 1969 with the PhaseII that did 6.7? Holden did not break it until 1997 with the 220kW VT HSV GTS220i that did 6.8, slower then the '69 GT-HO anyway. Why did Ford win the first Bathurst if they shit, the first Bathurst, thats something important is it not. They also won the second, third and fifth. Then finally Holden won one. Why did the '67 XR Ford Falcon GT father Australian muscle cars? Or whatabout breaking 15.0sec for the 1/4 mile. Ford did it in 1971, with the 287kW/569Nm XY Falcon GT-HO PhaseIII that ran a 14.9. Holden did it in '97, the GTS220i again, which ran 14.8. Why was an XB Falcon GT Hardtop the Mad Max interceptor if Holden shits on Ford?
Why does Holden not make their own cars? The VXII and VY Commodore are Opel Omega's which are shipped to Japan first, where they are stretched to exact Commodore size, then the body is sent here. The 3.8litre ECOTEC V6 is a Buick item and the 5.7litre GenIII LS1 V8 is a Chevrolet item. Last time I checked, the Falcon is only available in Australia. Everything in the BA Falcon is made in Australia except for one measly little thing. The Triton V8 block. It is sourced from Ford USA, but every single other part of the Triton is made here. Why do you see Commodores older then VT dissapearing off the road? They cannot last, they are a rip off. $31,000 gets you a VXII Commodore Executive with central-locking, power-steering and an air-bag. $31,000 gets you an AUIII Falcon Forte with abs brakes, air-conditiong, automatic transmission, central locking, power windows, power steering, cd-player and dual airbags. Is that not value for money? Bathurst is only one race, but Ford still lead in Australian Supercar Championships 17 - 14. HSV do not modify their engine either, they are just taken from Corvettes/Camaros (depends on the power of it) or from Callaway and chucked into the cars. FPV get the Triton cast-iron block from the USA and hand-builds everything else on the engine themselves. Also, why does the 240kW/450Nm beat EVERY SINGLE Holden/HSV except for the 300kW/510Nm GTS300. If the 260kW/500Nm XR8 really does beat the XR6 Turbo, then it is probably gonna be GTS300 vs XR8, as the 290kW/520Nm GT Falcon will be to much for it to handle. What about the 300kW/510Nm VXII SV300 vs the 250kW/500Nm AUIII TE50. The TE50 weight 25kg more (1715kg vs 1690kg) and makes 50kW less power and 10Nm less torque. YET, they do the same 0-100 and 1/4 mile times. 5.8sec and 13.9sec for the SV300 and 5.8sec and 14.0sec for the TE50. Interestingly enough, HSV had the balls to claim 5.1 and 13.3, but their dreams were never a reality. Holden have not made their 100% own car since 1978. They have not made a good quality car since 1978 either. Even then, their quality paled in comparison to the XC Falcon but they were good cars then. If you compare the last good Holden with the XC Falcon for sports cars, its a 297kW/572Nm XC Falcon Cobra against a 179kW/433Nm LX Torana A9X Hatch. No wonder the XC won Bathurst in 1977. Holden's next real good car will most probably be in 2005 with the VE Commodore, the first 100% Australian designed/made Commodore ever. The HFV6 is a good idea and it will be a locally made engine in the VYII, the first locally made V6 engine in a Commodore. Oh, and just a few more points before I finish, the '85 - '87 XF Ford Falcon is the best selling Australian car EVER, and last time I checked, the BA Falcon has been rated the best Australian car ever made, taking that record away from the '95 EF Falcon.

Fords are crap, we all know that!

I got a few of these things that ford can stand for:

Found On a Rubish Dump
Fucked On Race Day
Fix Or Repair Daily
Full Of Rust and Dust

If you guys got any more please post them!

Never heard Full Of Rust and Dust

Fast Only Rolling Downhill
Found On Road Dead
Ford Owners Really Dumb
Failure Of Research & Development

Buy a Ford and you buy the best. Drive the first mile and walk the rest.

Ford...At least they circled the problem

yup...everybody loves a ford

spell ford backwards. drof. that means;
driver returns on foot.

Now dodge.

dead on deliverly goes elsewhere.

In reply to Steffo357...
I quote and answer 4 point's in your really long and boring post.

1. Why was an XB Falcon GT Hardtop the Mad Max interceptor if Holden shits on Ford?

Mmmmmm and why did they hide the badge's. Embarassed, maybe?

2. Everything in the BA Falcon is made in Australia except for one measly little thing. The Triton V8 block.

Would that be the engine, the main part of a motor car?

3. Bathurst is only one race, but Ford still lead in Australian Supercar Championships 17 - 14.

Bathurst is the biggest Holden/Ford race in australia, and the last time I looked Holden had just one another race and lead on point's?

4. BA Falcon has been rated the best Australian car ever made, taking that record away from the '95 EF Falcon.

Yes and Ford are an American company, so your point is/.........


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Why would they be embarassed of the XB Falcon GT Hardtop? Everyone knows what it is, far less people know of the HQ Monaro LE that played the Nightrider in Mad Max. Just go to american chatrooms and you'll see my point. Also, you know how Extensive its front end work is? Maybe that doesn't cater for a badge. Ever think of that? Now, the thing about the V8 block. The block is not the whole engine. The block is one damn part. The Camshafts, Exhaust, Cylinder heads, Fuel System, flywheel, crankshaft, everything that makes that damn thing go is built here except the block of the Triton. The 4.0litre VCT Straight-Six is an Australia only. Yes Ford is American, but last time I checked, Holden is to. Does its full name, General Motors - Holden not signify anything? The Falcon is still more of an AUSTRALIAN car then the Commodore. Ford USA dropped the Falcon in favour of Ford Australia, the Mustang and some other cars. The Falcon has been a total Australian design since 1972, when the XA Falcon was introduced, the first and ONLY car ever to win and orchestrated 1 - 2 Bathurst finish driven by Allan Moffat and number 2 by Colin Bond. Nothing will take that away from it, and no Holden has ever done that. Maybe now it was 1 - 5 pole positions, but not 1 - 5 finished. Only the leading car crossed the line. Bathurst may be the biggest race in the championship, but it is not the championship. Holden won its 14th this year, so Ford still leads by 3. And the BA Falcon is the best Australian made car ever, and Ford may be American, but last time I checked, the Falcon can only be purchased here or in New Zealand. Not like the Commodore, which can be commonly seen in Europe as the Opel Omega, that car it is designed from, made from even, actually, the car it is. Last time Holden built their own engine was 1999 with the VTII Commodore, the HSV XU8 was the last to carry their 5.0litre Holden V8, at 195kW. The 231ci Buick ECOTEC V6 is not a Holden effort, neither is the 345ci GenIII LS1 V8. Obviously you are not very educated if you think the V8 Block is the whole engine, and you do not read when I state that every single other part of it is locally made. Plus FPV's engines are hand made, HSV's are just GenIII's taken from Corvette's or Callaway. Holden's versions are taken from Camaro's. The 427ci engine they have now is the C5-R Corvette's engine. That Monaro really is a slow piece of shit aswell. $220,000 for a car with two seats and a steering wheel. No radio, no air-con, no power anything. That really does suck. I'd much rather give my $220,000 for a Porsche 911 Carrera4 and have power everything, air-con etc and still beat the shit out of that Monaro in a race, out-handle it, and look a whole lot better doing it. They wanna compete with a 911 GT2? Please. SL55 AMG? Ferrari F50? They 427C does not have a chance against these cars. Those cars represent the pinnacle of engineering, the Monaro represents a Hybrid Company within GM which happens to be almost the same thing as Opel and Vauxhall, just depending on the region of the planet you are in, and that hybrid company has not designed its own car since 1978, has not made its own six-cylinder engine since about 1975 and has not made its own V8 since 1999. They have a reputation of shoddy build quality, are generally under-equipped for the money you pay, and deteriorate extraordinarily quickly compared to many other cars. Quality/Value wise they are on par with Korean cars not a Falcon, not a Japanese car, and sure as hell not a European car. And to all un-educated fools that make up these stupid ass saying "Found on rubbish dump" etc, I have something for you. Grow up. Most people who do that just cannot admit that what they like is not on par with the competition so they degrade the other maker to make themselves feel big, feel good. There are sayings about Holden to, but I will not say them becuase I am not an immature prick like some of you are. Very few Holden fans I know/know of really know what they are talking about. "2. Everything in the BA Falcon is made in Australia except for one measly little thing. The Triton V8 block.

Would that be the engine, the main part of a motor car?" - stgeorge6602, thanks for proving me right that Holden fans generally are morons with this line. Also your line on Ford being an American company, while the Falcon is built and sold only here also proves your stupidity peak, especially since Holden's Commodore is actually powered by US engines, has US suspension, US transmissions etc, the BA's transmissions are made here. So is the suspension, so is the 4.0litre Six, so is 90% of the Triton V8. Generally when I ask people why they like Holden, they come up with things like "they make good kW" or "they look good" or "they're fast" and un-educated childish responses like these. Get a clue, power is NOT everything, the 250kW/500Nm TE50 proves that when it equals the 300kW/510Nm SV300, or the 220kW/435Nm AUIII XR8 beating the 225kW/460Nm VXII SS. Hell, if you want power not being everything, look at Japanese makers for example. The Skyline R34 GT-R V-SpecII N1 makes 245kW/387Nm and it beats the living shit out of every Ford/FPV or Holden/HSV on the planet, including the 420kW/780Nm HSV HRT 427C Monaro. Or go to European cars, the 269kW/370Nm Porsche 911 GT3 can beat everything Holden/HSV or Ford/FPV can offer. The 340kW 911 GT2 is faster then the 455kW V8 Supercars. Think a little before you make stupid posts that argue fact. You cannot argue fact, no matter how hard you try. Let that be a lesson to you children.


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First ever Bathurst 24hour race won by a Holden Monaro............still mean nothing, ?


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