I am currently perscribed 20mg adderall which is a combonation of 4 salts in which 2 are L and 2 are D. Is there a way to turn the adderall into meth?

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Too much work just take it as is. I have two reasons: conversions involve loss and losing a bunch of your small amount of amph. by extraction and conversion would in the long run get you less high. Buyinh the reagents needed would be more expensive than just going out and buying a half gram of shards.

thank you for your input...it just seems like there would be a way to do it easily. what about increasing the high with other chemical changes or smoking it or anything like that.

It can be done with cheap reagents. Make your own sodium dichromate, and use that and some sulfuric acid from the hard ware store to dehydrogenate methanol to the aldehyde, then the aldehyde to the acid (formic acid). React this by refluxing in some methanol with amphetamine base to get n-formyl-amphetamine. Rehydrogenate the formyl group back to a methyl group by reducing the intermediate with an aluminum amalgum (or better yet, Pd/C and H2). Main product would be methamphetamine. Byproducts include di- and tri- methylated amphetamines, and unreduced formylated amphetamine, all present in minute quantities.
Another way would be to react methanol with HI and zinc iodide to make methyl iodide. This is reacted with amphetamine base in a sealed vessel at about 150 degrees celcius. This forms methamphetimine and HI. The rxn mixture is then diluted with alcohol (preferrably methanol) and reduced with an amalgum. This reduces the imine to the amine, or methamphetimine to methamphetamine.
Of course this is only practical if you had an ass of amphetamine laying around. But usually, not worth your while. If you had say, save up enough rp and iodine to make an ounze, but for some weird reason could only get PPA instead of ephedrine. The amphetamine produced could be converted. Or maybe if you had an ass of P2P, and was too lazy to make methylamine, you could react the P2P with ammonia acetate, and formic acid, reduce with an amalgum, which would give you methamphetamine, instead of cleaving the formyl group with HCl acid to get amphetamine.
Here are the equations to that:
First method:
NH3 (imine base) + HCOOH (formic acid)----> HOOCNH3(n-formyl derivative)
HOOCNH3 ---(reduction)--->H2CNH3 (CH2NH3, n-methylated amine)

Second method:
P2P + NH4COOCH (ammonia acetate)-->NH3COOCH (amphetmine acetate imine)
NH3COOCH (imine with p2p, not ammionia) + HCOOH--->HOOCNH4COOCH
HOOCNH4COOCH + NaOH--->base HOOCNH3
HOOCNH3 --(reduction)-->CH2NH3 (methylated amphetmine).

If ethanol is dehydrogenated, acetaldehyde is formed. If this is further dehydrogenated, it forms acetic acid. Acetic acid can also be purifed from vinegar. Acetic acid used in place of formic will attatch an acetyl group, which will reduce to an ethyl group, forming all your n-ethylated derivitives. Other alcohols can be used to open up all your other n-alkyl derivitives.

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Your crap is all theorhetical mad, you cannot make formic acid from methanol at home or cheaply. All the procedures you suggest are either expensive(Pd/H2) or have yields that are poor enough to make it not worthwhile. The time it would take alone to do all this would net a person enough cash to go buy some other drugs. Nevermind the cost of chems equipment(yeah even ghetto) and mistakes/sloppyness.

Can't you methylate amphetamine using CH3Cl?

sure

What would be the exact procedure to do that?

Well I wouldn't know the exact procedure for doing it as I haven't done it myself nor Have I ever studied it or thought about it but first you put the amphetamine base in solution, and then you add a base like KOH over one molar equivalent and then with stirring you add the iodide. Reflux for a while (tlc would tell you when the conversion was complete) I'm geussing pretty quick. Then you simply gas out the HCl salt. You will need to dissolve this in water, bassify and re-extract/gas out to get rid of the salt produced above.

(Aybody here ever smash their thumb so hard they got a hematoma? I did today and the doctor had to burn a hole in my thumbnail. Sprayed blood all over the place and him, and I have a bandage on my thumb the size of a potato -->makes it very hard to type)

You know what? on second thought that wouldn't work, you would get dimethylamphetamine, which would be active but not very good. Maybe you could use a deficiency of iodide to try and limit the alkylation to just one. Hmm all in all it is a poor procedure your yield would be unsatisfactory and you would need methyliodide which I personally will never work with.

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Your crap is all theorhetical mad, you cannot make formic acid from methanol at home or cheaply. All the procedures you suggest are either expensive(Pd/H2) or have yields that are poor enough to make it not worthwhile. The time it would take alone to do all this would net a person enough cash to go buy some other drugs. Nevermind the cost of chems equipment(yeah even ghetto) and mistakes/sloppyness.

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Haha, what is wrong with you man! Of course all the "crap" I suggested is theory, I never said otherwise, so what exactly is your point?

Also, there are other reduction methods than Pd/C. I didn't say that was the only one you could use.

Also, I think we both have previously stated that it is not worth his time or money. Just eat the fucking adderall. I'm sorry, I forgot other people don't have the money to just blow ~$5000 on equipment for the hell of it.

Look tryptamine, I realize there is a lot of things you say that I comment on or second guess. That may make you mad, and I'm sorry, but deal with it. It isn't like it doesn't happen to me, or anybody else. It's a fact of life so please direct your misguided angst elsewhere, I don't have time for immaturity. I would so much like for you to be my friend than enemy.

Oh yeah, and explain to me exactly why methanol cannot be oxidized all the way to formic acid?