in what products i can find Potassium Permaganate?


please help.

thanks

do you go to school? do you have a photography class? this would be the best way to get it, since it is used in blackroom photography production. do you know someone who works at a studio? try them. if you cant get any through these sources, dont fret; it can easily and legally be mail-ordered from a number of suppliers.

You may obtain KmNO4 from a water purifier dealer, as it is sold for regenerating iron crystals. I don't know why you want it, as Cat and Meth Cat are almost a waste of time.

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Originally posted by Follylover:
I don't know why you want it, as Cat and Meth Cat are almost a waste of time.

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is cat really a waste. whats the buzz like? mellow?

i know its a first degree felony for making it;so the high would have to be a lot stronger than coffee to synth this.

i heard that Methcathinone is very good!

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i heard that Methcathinone is very good!

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heard or know?

potassium permaganate can be purchased in your local chemist. seroius! it's used in first aid, especially with snake and spider bites.

Although the cold reaction might sound simpler than the synth. using potassium dichromate, you have to be very careful not to overoxidise your pfed. Try to be as exact as possible with the amounts and especailly with the temperatures. In my opinion, the synth. using potassium dichromate is exactly as easy and probably less time consuming.
I tried the cold reaction (without success) and want to try the chromate synth. today, do I can't answer your question about the potency yet.

The high from Meth-Cat is kinda mellow, and is described as MDA like. Personally, I have lay on the floor sweating, gotten vivid distortions in visual realities, have had hieghtened sense of awareness, and euphoria. I have always used 1:1 ratio KMnO4/Eph, and sometimes didn't even bother to clean the mini thins very well. A combination of PPA and Eph once gave a MDMA like experience, and supprised the shit out of everybody.
As far as Cat or Meth Cat, I prefer Amphetamine, as it is almost as easy to make, and lasts much longer.

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I prefer Amphetamine, as it is almost as easy to make, and lasts much longer.

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oh... i heard meth was the easiest amphetamine to make; what amphetamine do you make(dextro, sulfate...)? would you like to share a production secret with us?

He could use it for explosives, its a strong oxydizer.

CTR

Sivvy how does one go about making clandestine dextro? They don't period this would involve resolution and no body is going to do that. Sulphate is just a salt form. There is only one kind of amphetamine. And it can be made the same way as Meth by using Phenylpropanolamine PPA in place of ephedrine. Or from P2P, people don't make it because meth is pretty much the same to make but better.

Resolution isn't hard. All you need is an optically active acid. Like tartaric acid for instance. l-Tartaric acid is available pretty fucking easily. Racemate freebase is dissolved in a generous amount of anhydrous methanol. Whenever the freebase is salted with an acid that is optically active, and the optical isomer of the acid matches the one of the freebase molecule, it will no longer be soluable in methanol.
So neutralize the methanol with l-tartaric acid. This forms d-methamphetamine l-tartrate, and l-methamphetamine l-tartrate. Place this solution in the freezer, and the l-methamphetamine l-tartrate will precipitate. Filter this out, and continue by concentrating the mother liquor. After a fraction of the mother liqour is gone from concentrating (let's say, ummm, a fourth), freeze again and filter out anything that precipitates.
Once the mother liqour is concentrated, dilute with water and basify to pH 12. Extract like usual and crystallize with acid of your choice (I prefer HCl, most potent of the salts by weight).

Also, if it was made from ephedrine, pseudo, or PPA, dextro isomers will dominate the product, because of the stereo specifity of the synthesis.
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uhhh have you ever tried very pure amphetamine?

oh my god!

brain wash!

thanks madchemist, although it will take years for me to understand what the fuck you just wrote, i can always copy and save for reference.

also, thanks tryp for the info. your right, meth is easier if the only way to make amph.is through P2P and PPA: out of the question, watched like a hawk from my understandings.

any other amphetamine synths... ?

If you can find a way to decarboxylate phenylalanine (which is available from GNC) cheaply and practically, then that would be a good amphetamine synthesis.

Would an enzyme work for that? How about phenylalanine decarboxylase? Here:

http://www.sigmaaldrich.com/cgi-bin/hsrun/Distributed/HahtShop/HAHTpage/frmCatalogSearchPost?Brand=FLUKA&ProdNo=78087

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If you can find a way to decarboxylate phenylalanine (which is available from GNC) cheaply and practically, then that would be a good amphetamine synthesis.

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ive heard of this on a totse article, but ive also heard that nobody's ever done it before including the author... i think it was thionyl chloride if i remember correctly, that was what was supposed to be the chem to use, but... many unanswered questions. anymore help on this particular synth madchemist? how would one go about using this "decarboxylate" reaction (or atleast give me a site that explains the basics of this synth as im obviously a newbie.)? thanks.

...what level understanding in organics would you need to read one of Shulgins books?

...what book should I read to get to know some of the basic terms etc...

Madchem/Tryp?

Guys listen up: Decarboxylation of phenylalanine would yield you expensive (and inactive) phenethylamine. You guys are thinking of the reduction of phenylalanine. (you don't want to get rid of that carbon) It is tougher than it looks BTW. The KRz synth is bullshit or so I've heard.

A school level of understanding of the synths would be around third year or so, mind you I forced myself to learn before I ever entered secondary school. You need to know terms like washing, dean stark adapter, re crystallization, trituration(not titration) reflux, and the theorys behind vacuum distillation. Oh and not neccisary but what is a Kugel Rohr apparatus?

A good book would be James Zubricks O. Chem lab survival manual. I read it after I learned everything on my own and found it to be very basic, it would help someone to start. Any other "practical" organic text that could be found in a university library(or college in the US) would be a great help.