anyone try this...

yep. wizardx method on hive that uses 28% janitorial -freeze out water- then add muriatic till no more annie smell-evap to powder-add lye equal amount then add 99% alcohol to make alky/annie sol
then add lots of li to make the blue
from there use h2s gas to make go

questons:
do you extract w/ np before h2s--assume so
so---ince h2s is deadly--can one bubble it thru np then add to np/honey extract to get crystals?

ALSO!!!!
I hear in cali there are ways to do the birch without annie
..like using epoxy-hardner resin
is this true--it has the annie-like properties and would be the new WAY

any responses???

None of this is possible dan. Ammonia or annie as you say is a gas, only liquid at 40 below zero C. You can't freeze the water out of ammonia solution to get a powder. H2S will kill you in an instant, I went through special training to work near it. It has no utility in any meth synths except to make HI from I2. There is no way to do a birch reduction without ammonia or liquid methyl/ethylamine.

Epoxy resin? what? LOL Just send me that glass, I assure you nothing illegal will ever be made with it.

hi tryp
before you scoff, go to the hive and read up on wizard x's one pot method use tfse

ind aqua annie > freezing> convert to powder
(acidize)>add naoh>add pure iso> then use h2s directly on alcohol/ammonia solution and feedstock
voila- high yield
see the process--it has been utilized
however, i am scared of h2s but i heard i could use it and then run it thru cacl (two flasks to be sure) to make it safe

i suppose but h2s still scares me a bit

I know about phenylacetone+methylamine+merc chloride with treated aluminum foil pieces refluxed from many years ago
i know abot redp, iodine, effy from long ago
but there are new ways on the horizon
ie: one mentioned
2)o-phosphorous acid in place of red p
3) my fav i heard of....
introduction of hyd gas out of a cylinder
into a container that has effy and pd/carbon
cat. and shaking
looks good but the catalyst is volatile

i realize it sounds unreasonable that any annie w/water will work but even rhod's mrclean writeup mentions it will work by merely adding an excess of lith or Na---but that's another story--go broke buying Li

That sounds possible using H2S as a reducing agent, as such it is strong. I've never heard anyone practically describe this method to reduce anything however. But give er. The hypophosphoric acid is well known but this acid is in the same category as redp now. The pressurized H2 with catalyst is a nice large scale way to go but it requires technology and an expensive catalyst. These are all valid reactions though. I'd personally go via P2P if I ever wanted to make lots of meth, sure racemic but whatever.

Hmm just read it again. What you are doing is making ammonium chloride then releasing the ammonia again and trying to dissolve it in alcohol. Then adding the lithium to the alcohol ammonia mix. This will not solvate electrons or reduce anything the lithium will react with the alcohol, lithium ethoxide, and then maybe mess up your Ephedrine. Or the Li ethoxide would strip the OH on the E and the H2S would reduce that? Maybe. Sounds like a bastardization of the birch to me. H2S pumped through CaCl won't make it safe, just dry.

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He is kinda on the right track. Forget the whole birch idea. H2S can be used as a reducing agent. H2S is dangerous as hell, so three or four trap filled with NaOH solution will trap H2S. H2S bubbling through a mixture of psuedoephedrine freebase dissolved in alcohol, with a small amount of ammonia present has been known to produce methamphetamine, sulfur, and water. H2S is generated by reacting FeS with HCl acid, which produces H2S and FeCl2. FeS is made by melting sulfur and stirring in powdered iron (equal molar amount). When the reaction is done, air is pushed through the chanber a few times just to exuast through the traps and destroy any remaining H2S. NaS is a byproduct that settles in the traps. This can also be reacted with HCl to form H2S again (recycling most everything). The sulfur is filtered out of the main reaction mixture, and the alcohol/ammonia/water is evaporated. The resulting residue is taken up in toluene, and washed with water a couple of times, then the standard procedure is used to convert the freebase to it's salt.

also, I never brought up hypo--hypo is list 1---0-phosphorous is p;ain ole fert that may wwork well
i think i put the worng thing in to clean up the h2s by mistake but it can be cleaned or exhausted thru a hood
it does reduce the epphy in alcoholic ammoniacal sol
just would like a safer reducing agent..thats all


also, p2p is easy agrred--
but try finding it
the hyd gas thru effy weith catalyst is all otc
just sounds a bit dangerous to me but it's all dangerous-right
it be a good production method--just need ot work out the real life kinnks

yep naoh will trap the gas--
also, the alcohol should not screwup birch as most synths call for it to be added to the sudo 1st any way

Your not going to find P2P. It has to be synthesized, which can be pretty easy.