if some 1 can give me explicit instructions to make mdma it would be muchly appreciated.ya never know , if i end up makin it ill give you a couple hundred bucks once bussiness picks up.

try http://www.angelfire.com/mi3/chemhead/

WTF ever dude.

Moving to Lab Tips.........

BTW, what makes you think chemists are gonna teach someone else to do it for a couple hundred bucks when they could whip up a few kilo's themselves and make thousands?

And what makes you think you could make mdma. Its not an easy thing to do unless you are a chemist. Before you try and make anything you should study chemistry for a couple of years.

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actually ive made a number of chems,ive extracted alkaloids from a number of different plants, and i once made a shitty batch of dmt.

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BTW, what makes you think chemists are gonna teach someone else to do it for a couple hundred bucks when they could whip up a few kilo's themselves and make thousands?

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This statement makes me ask the question as to why then you can supposibly get all the info on angelfire for free and do it yourself.
This statement would have to hold true with most of the substances then wouldn't it? In which case why then is the info free for anyone.

well I put up the info on my angelfire site because Im a nice guy and I want to help further the cause. However most people dont want to share there information with others. I guess I am just a nice guy.

from Ulrich Braun. To a solution of 25 mg. of methylamine hydrochloride in 110 ml. methanol were added 6.6 g. piperonylacetone and then 3 g. sodium cynoborohydride. The mixture was stirred at room temp and 12N HCL was added as required to maintain the pH at neutral. The reaction complete in 36 hrs. Then you have to do the extraction.
Journal of Pharmaceutical Sciences vol 69(2),
page 192-95 (1980).
I do not want any money or anything else this is for knowledge only. It is against the law to manufacture illicit drugs.

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[b]BTW, what makes you think chemists are gonna teach someone else to do it for a couple hundred bucks when they could whip up a few kilo's themselves and make thousands?

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This statement makes me ask the question as to why then you can supposibly get all the info on angelfire for free and do it yourself.
This statement would have to hold true with most of the substances then wouldn't it? In which case why then is the info free for anyone. [/B][/QUOTE]

Ok. I'm having a little trouble here with your point in question maOr1e. #1) "supposedly"?! get info.?! #2)what the fuck are you bitching about exactly?! I mean state your case a little more clearly here! And Acidmelt is right as rain in saying what he said. A lot of people owe a great deal of gratitude to him and Madchemist and the others who look out for one another and help out a brother. By divulging info. on recipes that are easily understood and exact in their processes given. Like he said to further the cause. Because he and his peers are not dickheads and selfish with their knowledge. So please explain would ya?! Thank you.

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Ok. I'm having a little trouble here with your point in question maOr1e. #1) "supposedly"?! get info.?! #2)what the fuck are you bitching about exactly?! I mean state your case a little more clearly here! And Acidmelt is right as rain in saying what he said. A lot of people owe a great deal of gratitude to him and Madchemist and the others who look out for one another and help out a brother. By divulging info. on recipes that are easily understood and exact in their processes given. Like he said to further the cause. Because he and his peers are not dickheads and selfish with their knowledge. So please explain would ya?! Thank you.

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I suppose what I am really bitching about comes down to my lack of knowledge which in turn has me asking some pretty ignorant questions. Thanks so much for being tolerant of my ignorance though that is surely appreciated. And it should be well known about how highly I appreciate the above people and yourself you have been my corrector on so many occasions and with that i gain knowledge. Slowly but surely and owe you my thanks yet again.
Understand that my intention wasn't to offend anybody at all. It simply was an obviously silly question.



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is it just me or is ma0r1e one of the only responsible mature people that post in this forum besides the regulars. i like how he is so open with his mistakes and readily willing to admit them when he is wrong. we dnt get many mature posters like that around here.I would personally like to thank ma0r1e for being such a great asset to totse. you make the newbies look like intelligent people.(meant as a compliment, not sarcastic) thank you

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is it just me or is ma0r1e one of the only responsible mature people that post in this forum besides the regulars. i like how he is so open with his mistakes and readily willing to admit them when he is wrong. we dnt get many mature posters like that around here.I would personally like to thank ma0r1e for being such a great asset to totse. you make the newbies look like intelligent people.(meant as a compliment, not sarcastic) thank you

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thankyou so much acidmelt for your show of support. You are a legend in your own right.

I fully agree Acid. He has recognized and respected us in a way that sets him apart from the other newbies. And I too thank you maO1re for your recognition. Me and the other Moderators have all agreed a while back to maintain a sense of integrity here because it was getting pretty bad here. And we have been able to do just that. And you help us maintain that integrity by your respectful replies and your show of humility. Once agian thank you from me too.

Thanks Jamiroquai.
BTW:- To anyone at all that may of miss understood i wasn't by any means putting down angelfire and its methods it is a truly worthy sight and I stand by it 100% as I do totse.

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We hear ya bro. You've more than clarified your show of respect to us here! I think you've gained the respect from all of us Moderators here. And feel free to ask that which you don't know. One of us will have the answer for which you seek. Sound good?! And any disrespect you see from a newbie feel free to put his ass in his place!

ah such harmony, something which is unforuntately all too uncommon at the moment.

yeah I hear that. It feels real nice that we all are getting along so great and letting by-gones be by-gones. Everyone (including mods and regulars)that posts here has there own specialty and we couldnt do it with out everyone. This forum has definetly gone uphill since its shaky past. I am glad we finally have such a well knowledged chemistry forum. thanks to everyone!

F.Taylor Noggle has synthesis published in the'Journal Association of Official Analitical Chemists' vol.70(6),pages 981-986(1987).Which consists of 2 different methods starting with piperonylacetone. If you can not follow these instructions then you better take some organic chemistry courses (practical lessons). These are very easy synthesis. The synthesis of Ulrich Braun from the 'Journal of Pharmaceutical Sciences' vol.69(2),pages192-195(1980)are very easy also he writes several methods also,one startes with the base of MDA. Look these papers up in your local university library. The university libraries will have an on line catalogue. Take some money and photocopy these pages.Information published on the web is not to be trusted. These methods published are for the ethyl homolog therefore methylamine hydrochloride will have to be substituted to give the methyl homolog.

Hi.

I read mad chemists url, A cool site BTW. I thought that safrole could be made by a chemical synthisis, rather than a plant extraction.

Does this way give any better or worse results or recoveries than a chemical based sysnthsis of safrole. Does it convert to Isosafrole in the same way?

I ask becuase I'm reading everything I can at the moment on physical organic chemisty> My best mate here at Uni is a Ph.D chemist, and has 24 hour acsess to a multi million pound lab complex. He's playing with mescaline at the moment, starting from scratch, no extractions, but thinking of branching out. Theres nothing I can contribute, but am just really intrested in how it all works.

RipSlider.

Not gonna let the missus know though, she'd do her fucking nut. Even if it is her best friend ( as well as mine) thats leading me astray.......

Pity I'll never be able to sample the wares. Random compulsory drug tests mean I'll never get to try and "home grown"

Rip.

Safrole can be made synthetically. I just haven't put it up yet There's a lot of stuff I need to put up, but I been really busy lately so it's been hard. It's coming though, I got some stuff going up tonight.

Further question.

With plant synthisis, or even a chemical sysnthsis, now can a home made lab measure yeild and purity. i.e, even if you follow the recipe, how do you know you've actually produced MDMA, not something similar, and how do measure it's quality.

The only way I have found about is NMR ( Nuclear Magnetic Resonance) which is OK for my mate, cos theres one in the next lab, and lots of people are experimenting with drugs in that lab, for officail reseacrh, so samples can be tested ( though they haven't been yet), but obvoiusly, no home made lab has �250,000 spare.

I guess you're all using themal decomposition of some sort, and I'd be interested in knowing which methods, and what tolerances these are accurate to, so We've got another line of testing open to us.

Cheers,
RipSlider.

the mods here hate me and i quit posting here a long time ago as i found a much more friendly and inoformative board to use, anyways if you use a search engine like www.google.com (same as yahoo) you can probably find exactly what your looking for i spent a good month searching for the best places and still avidly do so www.rhodium.ws is the most informative site ive come across it has many links to all kinds of information regarding different chemical synthesis. again the link is www.rhodium.ws the chemhead link is even in the links section. the hive message board is also linked. the mods here tell me that the hive doesnt want their url posted so.. youll have to find that link on rhodiums site. even though ive seen the url on various other pages and message boards. regardless let these guys have there board its very precious to them. and im sure ill get a big fuck you from them.
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