Can I make amphetamine without a lab or only with some cheap?

No. This is kind of asking can i make soup without water.

Well it depends on your definition of a lab.

I have read here something about how to make speed or xtc.

So I want to know what things do I need to do that?

First off, you need to read alot more. And then read some more, and hell maybe a little more after that. I would forget about making xtc, it's extremely difficult to do. As for speed, make meth, it's more worth your time and effort. But don't use any of the "recipies" off this site. Basically your gonna need shit that tends to be a task obtaining. The 3 most prevalant ingredients are on a watched list. Meaning if you try to buy them, your name is going on a list. The equipment is basically your average lab equipment with some simple additions. Most of the recipes can be done in your home, but i really don't advise that. Maybe your neighbours when their gone for a week. Also, any information i have/may present to you, is for informational purposes only, and in no way to suggest you do these activites, as they are highly illegal. If caught performing said activities, you could be spending a long time in a 6x9 concrete room with bars on the front, but hey, at least you'll have lots more time to read.....

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I would forget about making xtc, it's extremely difficult to do.

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Not really. I can probably think of more ways and more starting materials for x than for speed. If you can make P2P from scratch and aminate it, chances are you will have no trouble making MD-P2P from a molecule thats already "half-built" for you.

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As for speed, make meth, it's more worth your time and effort.

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You've got to be kidding me! An ounze of speed, which in my area goes for around $1500, unless it's shards, then it's like $1800-$2000. If you made an ounze of MDMA, and made each dose 100mg, that would be ~280 doses. Even if you sold all that in bulk for say, $10 a peice, you would make $2800.
Not only that, speed speaks for itself, it just speeds you up. But xtc, OMFG!

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The 3 most prevalant ingredients are on a watched list

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Thats assuming he wants to use the rp an I2 method.

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Most of the recipes can be done in your home, but i really don't advise that. Maybe your neighbours when their gone for a week.

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If you live in a populated area, a ventilation system with scrubbers will suffice. If you live in the boondocks, then you have nothing to worry about.

JibTech- you have no idea what your talking about. Dont tell people or give them advice when you yourself dont know.

"The equipment is basically your average lab equipment with some simple additions. Most of the recipes can be done in your home, but i really don't advise that."

simple additions hey? like what?

'recipes'?

"I really dont advise that?" you shouldnt be advising anything to anyone on this matter

Okay, well i've been misunderstood a little. Yes i may not have nearly as much experience as the great madchemists in our presence. And yes i was assuming the rp/I2 reaction, since it's the only one i've ever done. As for the xtc thing, as far as i've read and been told, it's a more complicated process, therefore i would deem it harder to do. Equally, if you were to distribute an ounce of meth in gram's @ $100 per gram, you'll make $2800, with less sales, less attraction. Break it up into points, and sell it at $20 a point,going rate here, and your gonna make about double that, but your gonna have to make a hell of a lot of noise to do it quickly. Around here, ounces of both substances move at about 1600, and that's quality product.

As for the lab equipment remark, that's my opinion, sure you could use stuff you find around the house, like mason jars, but personally wouldn't. I also don't like doing it in my own house, which is why i would advice against that. If your in the country, ya, your a fair amount safer than if your in the crowded city.

Can anybody tell me what�s the easiest thing to do (I think that�s speed), how to make that, what I need and what quality it is? Thanx for answering ;-)

the very easiest drug to make that I can think of is GHB, but chances are you wont be able to obtain the gamma. But I am not sure what the laws are in Austria concerning gamma.

xtc is as easy to make as amphetamine, one method ya just need to stir the chemicals for 18 hrs. then extract (vacuum distillation). very simple process by Noggle et al.

I don't think so bbell.

40g. phenylacetone 200ml alcohol 200 ml 25% ammonia 40g alluminum grit and 0.3g mercuric chloride warmed until reaction takes place stop warming emediately. cool if reaction becomes to violent. reflux with stirring 2 hrs. concentrated vacuum distillation to 200ml. pour into ice water alkinized with 120 g. potasium hydroxide. extract with ether. the extractions are treated with 20% hcl the resulting water layer extracted with 150 ml. ether organic layer dried over sodium sulfate the ether evaporated and the residue distilled in vacuum. yield 12.5 g. 99% pure amphetamine sulfate

@bbell have you ever tried that? How does it work?

hopeshepope: I hope that was sarcasm in that post there cause it is exactly what I would have said to our friend bbell.

Yes that procedure will work, our friend neglects to mention due to just being able to read chemical abstracts and nothing more that using methylamine instead of ammonia sol'n you make meth, much more worthwhile and smoother than amphetamine. Also he fails to mention that the starting material P2P(phenylacetone) is now one of the hardest materials on this earth to get ones hands on, and to make it would definitely not be classified as easy for a non-chemist.

Not to mention that those yields suck ass hard: 12.5 g from 40g of P2P? Holy shit that is bad, it's possible to get yeilds in the range of 60% with amalgam and up to near quantitative with borohydride. And it seems there is some salt being made in there with a wayward bunch of HCl that has no purpose being there. Where did the sulphate come from? Wait, this synth is really missing a lot of info.

that synthesis for amphetamine sulfate comes
from the journal called 'Chemical Education'1973 page ? don't have my notes with me. Anyway it is easy the sulfate comes from the drying agent. amphetamine methamphetamine are equal in physical symptoms. Phenylacetone usually has to be manufactured illicitally.. Can be made from phenylacetic acid, which is watched also to a lesser extent.most chemicals in organic chemistry are watched.

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Originally posted by tryptamine:
I don't think so bbell.

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Yes xtc is easy to manuufactuure.I you want synthesis e-mail me.Will send Noggle's or Braun's method. What do you want the stirring method or tthe reflux?

bbell for the tenth time No!!

The sulphate does not come from the drying agent, no! And E is not "easy" to make it requires a minimum of 2 steps from safrole via the wacker or four via the peracid oxidation. Get out of here with your goddamn MDP-2-P synthesis crap, that is the easiest part of a very complex procedure. Stirring, Reflux, Noggle, Braun? No we don't care about your journal methods.

Also as I said P2P has to be manufactured in the lab but this is beyond the average uneducated tweaker. Amphetamine has a slightly rougher high than Meth it produces more perhipheral effects like pupil dialation and such, not to mention that it is weaker in potency per weight. Yes I speak from vast experience using methamphetamine and pharmaceutical Dexedrine.

Yeah so.....

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Originally posted by bbell:
xtc is as easy to make as amphetamine, one method ya just need to stir the chemicals for 18 hrs. then extract (vacuum distillation). very simple process by Noggle et al.

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Yeah and I've got some French Francs and German Marks I'll sell ya!

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therefore i would deem it harder to do. Equally, if you were to distribute an ounce of meth in gram's @ $100 per gram, you'll make $2800, with less sales, less attraction. Break it up into points, and sell it at $20 a point,going rate here, and your gonna make about double that, but your gonna have to make a hell of a lot of noise to do it quickly

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Dude, your gonna get busted. Yo go ahead and let every soul on earth know what you have just so you can sell them a point. Jesus christ dude, where did you go to practice your marketing technique. I would much rather get rid of 280 rolls in bulk and make that $2800 in the snap of a finger.
Especially in my town were people talk. My motto is the less people I have to deal with the better.

Also SWIM doesn't pay anything for xtc precursor, as sassafras grows wild in abundance, so SWIM could make a few thousand for a price that is definitely something to be laughed at. Get rid of 100 here, 100 there. Whats that DJ? Another 250, suuuuuure. SWIM will collect $20000 before SWIM knows it!

I was only trying to make a point there. I don't sell in points. Never have, and never will. I don't cater to that high school age. If they want it, they'll come up with the money to get a G. I was only replying to the post above where SWIM was trying to say that xtc is worth more. Maybe in his area, but not in mine. Bulk they are same price range. Like you said, I would also much rather sell it all big. I don't have the time to be messing around with people with mouths. None of my "associates" have time to be messing with them either. Unless they were using those mouths.

One question. How is it you come across free precursors? If you don't mind me asking. I'm gettin sick of running a sweat shop to get stuff prepped and clean.....

He was referring to sassafrass plants from which safrole is extracted. they grow everywhere so they are free. I mean I got like a few hundred of them in my buddies backyard.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by JibTec_Warrior:
[B]I was only trying to make a point there.

One question. How is it you come across free precursors? If you don't mind me asking.

Looks to me JibTec your point made is your lack of knowledge and you can't recognize that school bells are ringing! This is Lab Tips man! As in we here are little more textbook in our approach. These wizards that Moderate here are far more schooled than you! They answer on fact not fiction. To base something on assumption is not welcome here. Better living through Chemistry is a better place for this shit than here. Acting like you know what you're talking about but showing otherwise is a waste of our time dude! Recognize and repsect this please! Thank you.

With a shovel and an axe, it's pretty easy to get a a couple roots wieghing a few kilograms a peice.

The easiest drugs to manufacture are speed,xtc,LSD being the most complicated, manufactured in an inert atomsphere and in darkness, as oxogen and light decompose the molecules. When you manu. the tartrate salt of LSD these properties go away. The thing about LSD is that 1 gram equals 5,000 doses.
Other drugs that are easy to produce are the one's found in nature. The extraction of mescaline,DMT,morphine,cocaine. These drugs are extracted from the plant material by use of organic solvents,then purified by making the salt of said drug. When dealing with drugs like cocaine it takes 200 pounds of leaf to make 1 pound of drug. That is a lot of work, and the reason morphine is manu. in the third world, costs are low for labour.

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. The thing about LSD is that 1 gram equals 5,000 doses.

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That is way off. Check TiHKAL for accurate LSD dose info. At an average dosage of about 100 micrograms, there's 10,000 doeses in a single gram (1 gram equals 1000 milligrams, 1 milligram equals 1000 micrograms).

Good point Madchemist but many do consider the average GOOD hit the ones that arent skimped on to be 200mics IMO.

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GOOD hit the ones that arent skimped on to be 200mics

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You have got to be kidding? Have you ever actually known an exact dose of LSD you have taken? If you took 200 at once I garuntee you would have more than the experience of a lifetime. I also garuntee you that 60% (or probably higher) of LSD you or I have ever bought has been handled and exposed to hurtfull things by so many people they probably contain 80mics or less.

Ok ok... you'v got me there...

but Im talkin bout da "Bomb diggity good shit straight outa da netherlands" :-P I know they try to dip at 200mics a hit. heh Ill just shutup now. I do realize that all acid thats around is basically well crap