Hey, I need some info.........

SWIM was request to dream about making some GHB....SWIM found this little synth on Chemhead......Anyone ever tried it???

I've added some comments....so If you have answers......SWIM will be happy to ear from you.....


Place 30 grams of pure NaOH (do not use lye!) and 100 ml of 40% ethanol in a 250 ml two-necked round-bottomed flask and swirl it and dissolve as much of the NaOH as will be dissolved in the ethanol (Caution! The dissolution of NaOH is very exothermic!). All of the NaOH won't dissolve. Add some boiling stones. Place the flask in a heating mantle (do not turn it on yet!) and fit a condenser at the top neck of the flask, I use a 20 cm Graham condenser, but any water-cooled condenser will probably suffice. Connect the cooling water supply to the condenser and start the water flow.

Fit a 100 ml addition funnel in the other neck of the RB flask and pour 65 ml of gamma-butyrolactone into it.
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From where I can buy it....butyrolactone come in powder form...so why choose a volume instead of a weight ????

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Turn on the heating mantle, and bring the NaOH/EtOH mixture to a gentle boil. When all NaOH has dissolved, begin adding the gamma-butyrolactone from the addition funnel, a little at the time, if you add too much at once, the solution will start to boil heavily and choke in the condenser.
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Is it then better to use some kind of cooling...like ice bath...???
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Ideally, you should monitor the reaction with TLC, but a simple pH check with universal pH paper will suffice. When the pH comes down to 7, stop the heating.
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So, why not a 3 necks RB flask, you then have a hole to insert a pH Checker or anything similar.
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This normally occurs within an hour, probably after just half an hour. If the pH isn't down to 7 after an hour of refluxing, adjust the pH to neutral with dilute HCl or conc. citric acid. Watch out, as the addition of acid is exothermic and makes the solution boil again. You can also add some more of the lactone, and let the solution boil for another minute.

Now reduce the volume of the solution through boiling it in the flask without the condenser attached to approx. 75-100 ml. You can recover the solvent with a distillation setup here, and recondense the ethanol, water and excess butyrolactone if you wish.
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Do you need vac dist....will the product be damage by high temps...what is the boiling point of butyrolactone????
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When the solution is down to 75 ml, the temperature of the solution is usually around 135�C.
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Another good reason to use a3 neck flask...let the therm permanently in the solution........
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Dilute the stirred solution while still hot to 150ml with distilled water to prevent it to solidify when it returns to room temperature again. With this dilution, the dosage is around 5 ml, as it is approx. a 50% GHB solution.

The solution is perfectly clear and tastes slightly salty. It may be very slightly yellow colored, but not much if pure enough butyrolactone was used. If any neutralizing acid was used in the process, crystals of Na-citrate or NaCl may deposit in the solution, as well as the taste is severly impaired. Better dissolve some in a glass of OJ before experiencing.

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Now...can this synt be made in a larger batch simply by multiplying the quantities???? SWIM would like to achieve 1 liter batch......

SWIM also dreamed about getting a product wich is like a light oil or a light syrup....but clear and salty tasting...in previous attemps...but with different salts.
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So let me know........

Hey BTW...Acidmelt....MadChemist.....I'm still waiting that you reply to the e-mail about that....

Get to go.......I see snow falling from one of my RB flasks.......Gooooodddddd newssss!!

actually neither me nor madchemist are interested in, or produce ghb. somebody sent me the synth and it looked pretty safe and true so i posted it on chemhead. but you made a lot of good points in your post here so why dont you mess with it for a while and write up your own synth. I'll put it up on chemhead if its good. Sorry i cant answer most of the questions that you sent me becuase of my lack of knowledge in the ghb area. madchemist has been really busy writing a chem book so he probaly wont write back either. i do know how-ever that unless you got hte hook-ups it is quite hard to get gamma-buty. because it is watched now. but dont use volume instead of weight... if you were considering that.

GBL to GHB= stupid
TMF to GHB= gettin there(smarter)
still undiscovered route= smart

NaGHB? Well that is a change. But if it is the dry-synth that says (loser) next to it, i wouldn't fuck withit.

GHB is mad dumb to make in the U.S.- Double necked flasks are illegal and i wouldnt wanna get caught with a d-n flask over some gay GHB. GHB is cool to like do, but make is gay since butylene glycol(1,4-Butanediol) is converted to it in the body and so easy to buy as a cleaning solution.

Are multiple necked flasks really illegal in the US? I dunno about that but if you have a 2 or especially 3 neck flask yes you are flagged as a DRUG COOK. 3 Neck flask seems to make sense in that synth for you points you made if indeed you have access to one... you can order them but Id be REALLY carefull about a paper trail. And slp made some good points but you can convert 1,4 to gamma buty instead of trying to BS your way into being able to buy some gamma buty.

Acid Melt: OK....anyway I'll wait for other opinions....BTW..shake up MadChemist...

SlpWkr: I don't mean the powder synt (looser)....I mean the longest one......there is a lot of slippery points in this synth....I just wanted to get some lights on it.

So...what do you mean by:

GHB is cool to like do, but make is gay since butylene glycol(1,4-Butanediol) is converted to it in the body and so easy to buy as a cleaning solution.

BTW butyrolactone.....20Kg for $525.00 canadian

1,4 butanediol diglycidyl ether....50 gr for $123.00 canadian
or 1 liter for $153.00

Huge $$$$$$ difference.

Frey Grimmond: I don't think that 3 necks flasks are illegal in Canada......and I have acces to one.....

BTW.....I do not intend to convert any substance to produce an illegal drug...
Nahhhhhhhh....I was just dreaming of it...yeahhhh

SWIM just want to try to produce 1 liter of liquid...just to test his knowledge....as knowledge is not yet on list 1 of the DEA.

BTW Butyrolactone is not yet a controled substance by DEA...neither regulated.... as what I have as info in the 2001 edition of the Sigma Aldrich catalog.....but maybe watched.....

So...I'm open to ideas and commentaries.

Slpwkr: I know butanediol is converted in the body to form GHB.

I'm looking for a proven way to do it in a flask (transparent body...heheheh) There is a site on Rhodium saying from Butanediol to GHB......but there are only some partial resume of lab experiences.

BTW...I found few places to buy g-Buty liquid form.....they are not too formal with the papers....you have to fill a form...but they don't ask proof of your written info...

But they sell at higher prices...!!!