I have read all your articles pertaining to the making of meth at home.I have a question however,the easy method is supposed to be using Vicks Inhalers but where I am you cannot buy them,so the people around here use the pills sudafed,dimetapp or mini thins,does anyone know a recipe for making meth with these pills?I know that they call one recipe Red and Black.

Vicks Inhalers is a BS synth it will make inactive levo-methamphetamine.

Psuedephed mini thins etc. all contain ephedrine that you can extract out and use as a base for the synthesis. Keep looking most synths Iv seen start with ephedrine.

yep,uncle fester is a lyin sack o shit out for a buck from bunk meth synths.

ephedrine reduc, doesnt make the highest quality crystal either. P2P is the best method, though P2P is rather hard to get.

Ok I bought some Mini Thins two way with guaifesen or how ever you spell it. Can anyone tell me how to extract the Ephedrine and the recipe to make Meth?I have a few but they are all for the inhalers.

go look at rhodium or chemhead even.
http://www.angelfire.com/mi3/chemhead/index.html
www.lycaeum.org then go to rhodium from there.

Thank you .

Ok I went to the sights you listed and still found nothing stating whether or not you can use Two Way Mini Thins Ingredients are 25 mg Ephedrine,200mg Guaifenesin, those are the active ingredients.Can I extract the Ephedrine out to make meth?Thanks for your help.

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Originally posted by SUZYQ38:
Ok I bought some Mini Thins two way with guaifesen or how ever you spell it. Can anyone tell me how to extract the Ephedrine and the recipe to make Meth?I have a few but they are all for the inhalers.

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Introduction
Equipment
Ingredients
Method
Acid/Base Extraction
Gassing
Equipment
Various jars, glass vessels, beakers etc
PH paper, or electronic PH tester
Filter paper or coffeee filters
A strainer that will fit your filters nicely, so that you get better surface area then a funnel
Hair dryer, or heat lamps
Hot plate, no open flames only heat elements
Separatory funnel, or similar, or tube to siphon
Ingredients
Pills containing psuedo-ephedrine Hcl or ephedrine Hcl
NaOH/Sodium Hydroxide/caustic soda/strong base/lye
Epsom salts that have been baked in oven (200�C) for an hour to dry!
Methanol
Acetone
Toluene
Distilled water
Method
If pills have red coating put in jar with acetone shake until red coating is dissolved and then continue as below!
Step 1: Ok first, put your pills in a jar. Add methanol about double the volume of the pills. Cap the jar and shake till they break apart. Leave to sit for a few hours shaking every 1/2 hour. Let settle into 2 nice layers then siphon or decant off top layer. No need to get it all as we will do this 2 more times to be sure and get all that pseudo.

Step 2: Once you have done it 3 times and have the 3 lots of methanol from the top put them together and put in freezer You want to get it real cold, near freezing and then filter it thru a very fine filter, this may take some time if you don't have a vacuum filtration setup but thats ok, we aint in a hurry! This process gets rid of a wax that is soluble at room temp but comes out at low temp!

Step 3: Note: This step is not necessary and only speeds things up! Ok after the chilled filter, we will reduce the volume of methanol/pseudo solution! So, with good ventilation and a fan blowing over pot, just reduce the volume of methanol, but not till you see crystals or anything just reduce it to a manageable amount, we just want a saturated solution, you'll notice it thicken a bit! Stop take it off!

Step 4: Now you want to pour a thin film of this methanol/psuedo solution out on a mirror or glass table for fast evaporation or you could just leave it laying around a couple of days and let nature take its course, and it does make perty crystals! Scrape all your crystals up when they are dry and put into another clean pyrex vessel!

Step 5: Now pour Toluene, about double your psuedo volume (dry/anhydrous, use your epsom salt) over your powdered psuedo, and heat till just before boiling with your fan blowing over it! Boil for 5 mins and then filter. Repeat this with fresh toluene until when you boil toluene it stays clear! To be sure of toluene doing its job, after filtering, add water to toluene before discarding and you'll see the shit come out!

Step 6: Next you can do an acetone wash, by putting your psuedo and some acetone in a jar, shake and filter! Dry pseudo and you should have fuckin clean pseudo Hcl...

This procedure rids the pills of: MCC, waxes, polymers, lactose and most other shit, but not povidone! more on that later!

You may choose to react your psuedo now! Or do an A/B (acid/base) extraction, basicly turn it into a freebase, or oil! Keep in mind... If you do an A/B now you may lose some psuedo to the povidone!

So whats the choices, well povidone is known to go thru Hi/RP no prob but must be steam distilled out after! Which is a good thing coz you got no seperations or emulsions and the cleanest meth around! Povidone is bad because povidone is known to absorb and hold amines! It depends on what reaction your doing!

O.K. Now this is the important part. Follow carefully.


Acid/Base extraction
Ok, get your nice dry white powder and add about equal part water. Now make up a 20% NaOH solution (or 4 parts DH2O:1 part NaOH) Add Toluene to water/pseudo solution about equal to water volume! Yes toluene first, it gives the pseudo somewhere to go instead of being burned by the base which can break it up and turn it into aziridines (toxic)! Add NaOH solution to water/pseudo/toluene solution till PH 13, and remember to test PH of water not toluene! Now shake the jar up very well and let settle into layers. Seperate toluene layer. Repeat this process 3 times and combine all your toluene! You can wash the toluene/pseudo freebase with water now if you like and seperate again! Now you can either, evaporate toluene now for freebase crystals! Or you need to turn the freebase into a Hcl salt again!

So you can add fresh dH2O (about 2mL for each gram of pseudo) to your toluene and drop HCl acid slowly with shaking each time into the toluene. Check pH all the time and stop just before neutral! Shake again, and recheck, this is very tricky and takes patience! Now seperate the water from the toluene. Now you can evaporate your water to get your pure pseudo Hcl. You can repeat this another 1 or 2 times and get a little more!

Gassing
Gassing makes things easier coz you just gas it, filter and theres your crystals, but it is tricky to get the hang of and Hydrogen Chloride is dangerous! It will burn your fuckin lungs instantly! You need to pipe HCl gas into your jar full of toluene and pseudo freebase, but the gas and your toluene must be dry/no water, or everytime the gas forms crystals it will be reabsorbed by the miniscule amounts of water! If you don't know how to extract, you shouldn't play with gas yet! If you know how to gas then read on... So, you need to dry your tol/pfed solution with pre-baked epsom salts to absorb the water, and then filter them out! Then gas your solution and you will see a snow storm before your very eyes! Then just filter and dry crystals! But still may contain povidone!

yes you can easily extract the E out of mini thins. I emailed you with some advice. It shouldn't matter what method you use to make the meth. But Hi reduction is a lot easier. I havent done any P2P meth that was a whole lot better than Hi reduction. BUt there are slight differences between the 2. Anyhow stick with reducing E by Hi. It is the easiest for beginners to understand. And the precursers are a lot easier to get.

Thanks guys yall are the best!!!

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Originally posted by acidmelt:
yes you can easily extract the E out of mini thins. I emailed you with some advice. It shouldn't matter what method you use to make the meth. But Hi reduction is a lot easier. I havent done any P2P meth that was a whole lot better than Hi reduction. BUt there are slight differences between the 2. Anyhow stick with reducing E by Hi. It is the easiest for beginners to understand. And the precursers are a lot easier to get.

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I've always heard that the P2P is better speed, but hell I've been doin the shit for over ten years now, and I lived in San diego for 8 years of that time (San Diego used to be known as the meth capital of the world, not no more though!!! There's about 4,500,000 mother fuckin cops there now). And basically I've never even seen the shit(p2p). I do know one fact about it though. And that is that the final product can't be smmoked. Well, let me rephrase that ---- it doesn't recrystalize in the pipe.. And with that in fact , it actually has to be cut in order for it to become a solid, otherwise it is an oil. correct me if I'm wrong.
and now some warnings for SUZYQ38. Hey girl, check it out!!!! Why in the fuck do you want to learn how to make speed. Don't you have anything else beter to do? But since your mind is probably already made up, I hope that you have alot of money to burn because i'll tell ya one thing it takes alot more than just reading posts off of the internet to learn how to manufacture. it can take months if not years to get the technique down just right. Also what are you gonna use for the RedP, and please don't even say match strikers,, because they aren't gonna work, You can make the iodine out of 7 to 11% Iodine Tincture by adding bleach and water and filtering, and if you want a clue on how to cook it . let me give you a hint------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------A pressure cooker w/ the goodies inside a jar inside the pressure cooker at 35 to lbs for 45min to 1 hour. and its done !!!!! No Bullshit ... When I left San diego back in 98. The pressure cooking method was the up and coming thing and I talk to all my friends from down there still and they're still doing it that way. and now its been four years and i've only heard of one of them blowing up. and that was because his gauge was stuck and he didn't know it. anyways , gotta go bye. the pipe is coming my way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hmmmmm well how do you get the R-Phoserous then?To answer your question why, anything I say is gonna sound lame.

that would be probably the hardest part you do relize right?

It looks like Warlock's site is still there.
http://geocities.com/capecanaveral/runway/4986/two/toc.html

especially for admin, why is it that you guys never really give it all away..so as they actually have to work/learn first??..two years study with no help from a single sole..the internet recipes are shit,,curved balls lots..when you finally get it ,you wonder if its all worth it...scary shit..but what a buzz, i,m out now but please reply...brad777

chuck your blended pills in dry cleaning fluid(h/carbon..shake like shit let settle o/night ..wax/colour/shit on bottom,sudo in clear layer...decant..add more d/c fluid to bottle shake..settle o/night..2 times enough. put sudo/fluid in fridge..filter with coffee filters/tissues/dunny paper..put in teflon coated pan on low with fan blowing at dial..end so fumes dont go and ignite..dial on 1..evap till nearly dry..turn oven on 100...then turn off put sudo in pyrex dish in oven leave door open a 5 inches till dry.

Jet2pup- You said that rp from matchbooks wont work. You are wrong. Rp is Rp no matter where you get it from. I have used matchbook rp many times and it always worked. Of course you have to go through all the trouble of cleaning it, but it is still Rp. Also if you arent going to get it from matchbooks, where are you going to get? Are you suggesting ordering it? If so, i would not recomend it. That is a pretty dangerous route to obtain it. It isnt quite the same as lab grade, but it will work just fine if it is cleaned properly.

Brad777- there are tons of sites that post very good synths for meth. After looking for 2 years you haven't found ANY? that seems strange to me, because I found some good ones after a few hours of searching. Why dont you share some of your knowledge with us on the subject of making meth. You posted a method for extracting psuedo, but nothing about actually making meth. also if you didnt find anything on the net about making meth, where did you spend your 2 years learning all this?

hello everybody, anybody live in England, surrey to be precise. I obviously need to get to know someone who has infinitely more knowledge than me, it all sounds so confusion but I would love to know how to make my own, must have spent �1,000 and thousands of pounds over the years on Going fast. would sure help me. I am Irish by the way.
QUOTE]Originally posted by acidmelt:
Jet2pup- You said that rp from matchbooks wont work. You are wrong. Rp is Rp no matter where you get it from. I have used matchbook rp many times and it always worked. Of course you have to go through all the trouble of cleaning it, but it is still Rp. Also if you arent going to get it from matchbooks, where are you going to get? Are you suggesting ordering it? If so, i would not recomend it. That is a pretty dangerous route to obtain it. It isnt quite the same as lab grade, but it will work just fine if it is cleaned properly.

Brad777- there are tons of sites that post very good synths for meth. After looking for 2 years you haven't found ANY? that seems strange to me, because I found some good ones after a few hours of searching. Why dont you share some of your knowledge with us on the subject of making meth. You posted a method for extracting psuedo, but nothing about actually making meth. also if you didnt find anything on the net about making meth, where did you spend your 2 years learning all this?[/QUOTE]

ck 1st..theres tons of net recipes..most are incomplete/dangerous/etc..learn?? big thick books from s/hand shops...the first time i showed someone how to the fee was 65.000 dollars..paid me 10 up front then tried to kill me rather than pay the balance..most extraction methods are over the top..if coloured/acetone...next blend pills to dust..put dust in glass jar add meth..shake .settle/decanter..repeat meth 1 more time..pour off always into a flat filter set up ie:napkins on a steam pot..etc.if you need to freeze use plastic tubs/chill faster..then fast filter only..if thick blocker pour into tea strainer/then to filter..always keep basic pills(no block( seperate from others..meth ids easy to make but the little tricks make the difference/tweaking ratios/i,ll post stuff along the way...keep it to basics like try no filters just c/wool ball down funnel..one quick vac..once only 0.5 micron filter done in 5 minutes..what about a guy i no who puts pills in methopours off thenputs that in flask wet..no worries..good stuff to...tricks

why is the red phos method so popular..pain in the ass...give me hypo any day..acidmelt i assume you could also post recipes???..i could do a quck recipe..but slow way best otherwise instead of learning chemistry we are only putting a to b to c...tips..after putting hypo/i2 inflask.no sudo for 45 minutes..why?? cause something is happening..next clean flasks with cleaning vinegar..has a little thing which helps fire a reaction....or add 3 t/spoons of bicarb..never throw out flask remains.put in sealed glass container..get 10 cook ya leftovers...

well acid melt i come from a large city where things are a little accessible. That is--------- accessible enough that i don't have to tweak out scrapping fuckin matchbooks for days on end. you can still pick up red in L.B,Ca,for about 350$ per lb. but then again thats just what i've heard at the last boyscout meeting that i went to .... Who knows? it could all just be a rumor. But i'll tell ya one thing >>>>>>>>>>>>>> right now the shit is goooooooooooooood!!!

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Originally posted by acidmelt:
Jet2pup- You said that rp from matchbooks wont work. You are wrong. Rp is Rp no matter where you get it from. I have used matchbook rp many times and it always worked. Of course you have to go through all the trouble of cleaning it, but it is still Rp. Also if you arent going to get it from matchbooks, where are you going to get? Are you suggesting ordering it? If so, i would not recomend it. That is a pretty dangerous route to obtain it. It isnt quite the same as lab grade, but it will work just fine if it is cleaned properly.

Brad777- there are tons of sites that post very good synths for meth. After looking for 2 years you haven't found ANY? that seems strange to me, because I found some good ones after a few hours of searching. Why dont you share some of your knowledge with us on the subject of making meth. You posted a method for extracting psuedo, but nothing about actually making meth. also if you didnt find anything on the net about making meth, where did you spend your 2 years learning all this?

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Brad777 - why would i post synths that i have on a message board when i have a whole site dedicated to drug manufacturing. There are links to my site all over the totse drug forums. Its called Chemhead. So you see it is pretty pointless to post synths on a forum when i can just link to my site. Observe.. http://www.angelfire.com/mi3/chemhead

now i no who u r ..some good stuff on ya site,good looking pages to...so wheres the hypo method..u working on any new stuff..ps. after adding h+I how long should you leave flask to settle...before adding E. any help pls....cheers

actually i dont usually make my Hi ahead of time. I just mix my I2 and E, put in the freezer for like 10 minutes and then add my RP. then let it react in the flask (which is usually in a ice bath) for at least 30 minutes before cooking.(but sometimes longer, just depends) I was planning on making up some Hi ahead of time for my next dream, but can not as I am currently out of glacial acidic acid.

GOOEY POOEY EHPHEPSEUDOSHIT!
When is someone going to get some P2P and refine a goddamn synth for that?

From what I have heard from an organic chemist friend of mine is that the vicks method works, but it makes a more pure meth. He says that people like the more dirty stuff that makes them feel different. I know he's made it many times and stayed up for days on it. I think the recipe is dissolving the inhailer crystals in anhydrus ether and then bubbling hcl gass through it to make it recrystalize.

it is rarely made from P2P anymore. Its to difficult to obtain and not worth the time. I mean i like meth, but im not going through all that trouble. Its just easier to make it by reducing the ephedrine. And you can make high quality meth from a really clean Hi reduction.

acidmelt- so i thought to until i found out this mass production factory around here was running on barrels of P2P and pumping into the sewer for waste management. Ephedrine reducs are generally more gooey than P2P. I used to think P2P wasn't used much either. Apparently the mob and h.angels still get it in 50 gallon drums from somewhere.

danameric- thats funny your friend is a chemist and all. Either your friend doesn't know that dextro is the only psychoactively CNS super-stimulating desireable isomer of Methamphetamine or he is just an idiot- i dont know. The inhaler method makes Levo-methamphetamine, an inactive isomer of methamphetamine, yet not amphetamine. Your friend is wrong; i'm sorry to inform you.

P2P is dead around where I am anyhow. I have never seen it here or even heard about it here. You should steal some P2P and sell it. Make some good money I bet.

[This message has been edited by acidmelt (edited 06-27-2001).]

well id imagine it would be more abundant near ocean ports than those of the great lakes i guess that could be why.

True.