Call it a piece offering by default of hypocrasy. Here i will, in step with K9girl, post an iodine 'synth', not written by me. It's not really a synthesis, more like guidelines or whatnot resembling a synth, but i hope to attain some kelp to clean this up and make a good little synth for some newbies to do as a starter synth. Hey, all you self-proclaimed meth people(morbo) could use this to stay of out government monitoring.

IODINE PRODUCTION
Extract all the soluble part of kelp by water, and crystallize the soda by evaporation; to the mother liquor add sulphuric acid in excess, and boil the liquid , then strain it to separate some sulphur, and mix the filtered liquor with as much manganese as there was sulphuric acid: on applying heat, the iodine sublimes in the form of greyish-black scales, with a metallic luster. The boiling is done in a glas still with a very short still head, and connected with two or three globular glass recivers. Care must be taken to watch the process, and prevent the neck of the still becoming choked with condensed iodine.

~BY~ThE WaTcHeR@

and what does the final product of all this jibber jabber do?

Wouldn't it just be easier to buy iodine? I mean you would have to buy the sulfuric acid anyway (I am assuming that you don't make it yourself.)

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I would rather be a smartass than a dumbass

Morbo its Iodine a disinfectant that is commonly used in many synths. And making your own sulphuric acid I knew you could do it but I have to still look into that.

the iodine crystals that he is talking about is I2. This is commonly used in meth synths to react with your red phsophorus, which in turn create HI acid. I2 is also very easy to convert from iodine, but I tend to believe that the way slpwlkr states above would be much cleaner. As far as sulphuric acid is concerned there is absolutly no reason that you should hae to make your own. It is very easy to get, and is pretty common so it doesnt raise any eyebrows. Just do a little research on it.

Morbo- I thought you were the primo speed freak here haus? C'mon- you will all your superior knowledge of the DEA and shit should know that the DEA would think something is odd about someone purchasing the max limit allowed of iodine without being federally investigated(1 lb. per 6 months which you probably didnt know). Add in the effect of someone buying a reaction medium like sulfuric acid in large quantities and you just got your ass under investigation with a search warrant nailed to your door (or in your case screen door).

no your the fucking idiot. i know what iodine is too. i've never even heard of a synth with it. and did i ever say anything about buying a shit load of it or sulfuric acid or anything else? NO so shut the fuck up. christ...

and as far as me being a 'speed freak' and really knowlegable about the DEA well.. i know a little bit about makeing meth know alot about doing it and know that the DEA is in my town and has been for awhile. so talk all the shit you want for me because i won't.

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Originally posted by Morbo:
no your the fucking idiot. i know what iodine is too. i've never even heard of a synth with it.

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I hate to break it to ya there my southern fried friend but iodine is cruicial in meth production. You've never heard of a synth with it? You've obviously never heard of a synth to begin with then. What are you doing in lab tips? You contribute nothing to this forum at all; you know nothing credible at all. I think i speak for everyone when I say FUCK OFF in the name of chemistry. You are purely a consumer.

who says you have to contribute to be on this board? well i say you should fuck off in the name of wasteing post space. you spend more time trying to cut on me with imature coments to my back ground or where i live when you actually don't know. go smoke your 2 for 5 dollar crack rocks and leave me the hell alone.

Morbo, what the fuck are you still doing in this forum? You have nothing to do with chemistry besides being an example of a test tube baby gone wrong. Please exit stage left
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[This message has been edited by slpwlkr333 (edited 04-17-2001).]

forget about I2, some one figure out how to make I3.

EXPLOSIVE!

unstable

and

inconcievable since there is an extra bond left unattached. nice try though. maybe not on this planet, not in this atmosphere I3 would be able to exist.

*awards Sparr Loser Grand Prize with Honors*

[This message has been edited by slpwlkr333 (edited 05-20-2001).]

obviously not naturally occurring, i knew that and never implied that it was. it can be artificially synthesized but requires a lot of energy to be supplied for the reaction to take place. a high energy unstable molecule equals EXPLOSIVE.

go back to chemistry class loser.

sparr- dude look up I3 it cannot exist on its own. There is a bond left unattached. If you knew anything about making diagrams of molecular structures you'd know that I3 can only exist within larger compound. Give it up. The harsh reality is- science prevails.

if you had bothered to make it past grade 12 chemistry you would realize that your molecule diagram drawing is only a model of how atomic physics really works. if an electron is energized it can jump up an orbit.(there's your extra bond) electron bonds are not solid things, atomic physics is based on probabilities. another few myths dissolved: electron orbits are not circular. a bond can exist between two atoms without an electron bond.(a hydrogen bond)

*beats head against wall* this is getting boring.

the only way it would work is if there was an I-I-I since that offsets the 8 rule(7 electrons orbiting on the outer cloud of the Iodine molecule). But then it is still very unstable. Where did you get the idea this was a possibility since it has never been logged as a compound? Now who exactly has records of an I3? yea exactly- it decomposed on synthesis.

I3 hey? sounds interesting, but I dont really understand why someone with that amount of chem knowledge would be making explosives instead of drugs. hehe, thats just me though.

acidmelt-
gee thanks for clarifying where the bonds could potentially be for this "I3" and if it could exist for a second; stable or unstable, if at all, with your 'moderator quality chemistry and scientific knowledge'

i find it amazing that i sit here, still in 11th grade, arguing with this guy, with no support from any "knowledgeble" mods and that is the bullshit response sparr and I get from a fuckin mod. fuckin pathetic.

i'll level. my grade twelve chemistry teacher mentioned it's existence in very funny anecdote all those years ago. have i ever read of it's existence? hell no. but all these years i have clung to the belief that it existed because the anecdote was so funny. it is as follows:

my chemistry teacher was in university chemistry and as university students are wont to do, him and some friends wanted to make some mischief. they happened to get ahold of some I3 from the store room. apparently it was stable enough to retain solid form but the slightest input of energy such as a moderate impact was enough to set it off. well his teacher had a habit of marching into class and slamming down his teachers edition on his desk to signal the commencement of class. a light sprinkling of I3 was applied to the entire surface of the desk before his arrival. i'll leave the results to your imaginations.

so you see i would like to believe that I3 exists (and i do think it is theoretically possible) because i like the anecdote and i would hate to think that my chemistry teacher made it up for comedic effect.

no hard feeling slpwkr, it's just that the story has sentimental value.

yea dude, im sorry, no hard feelings man.
I'm in 11th grade chemistry and everything else i know is completely self-education. I'm still really interested in this I3 and how it could be theoretically synthesized.

I'm just a begginer myself.
Has anybody ever heard of ANTI?
(ammonia nitrated tri-iodide)
It kind of sounds like what your talking about. Very easy to make, highly unstable.
Just add iodine crystals to ammonia and wait about 15 minutes. The crystals that form, when dry, are a extremly unstable high explosive. Keep wet if possible.