Ok, everybody. Tell me right now how you stand on assault weapons for home defense. Personally I'm all for citizens being allowed to own an AR-15, G-3, or SKS, etc to take out someone threatening their life, liberty, and/or pursuit of hapiness... Late

yay!

Man you dont know what your talking about, this would totaly change things, imagine police officers with those guns, "Get out of the car its an order or else I shoot",heh, imagine how easy it would be for someone to do a hold up, for a simple punk doing a hold up in a little store with that type of gun would be dangerous and fuckn stupid, if you look at who does it.

SWAT teams will be called in cause some dude made a holdup in the liquor store.

And these weapon are to dangerous, they can cause more damage around you then a simple gun.

Man some punk get into your house, you start shooting like crazy, the dude managed to get out, but you killed the people that were outside by shootimng them thru the window without even knowing.

i say yea. most "assault" rifles are far to expensive for the scumbag to afford.
I personally would choose a mossberg 500 or similar.
But, any gun can be deadly the title "assault rifle" doesn't make it any more dangerous. it's just some term politicians slapped on there to make it sound sinister.

No man thats not why Im sayng that, its easier to kill with this weapon because of how they fire, its really easier to kill everybody by mistake, I believe.

Nothing about politicians or anything, I just think so, if its a more dangerous and devastating weapon, wich it is right? It is also more dangerous for thjose who are on your side.

Thats what I believe, but Im not sayng not to have any, I dont give a fuck about this subject, the gouvernement is one day going to take all your weapons away anyways so they can take control and we have nothing do defend ourselves.

mack...

[/quote]imagine police officers with those guns[/quote]

Police officers do commonly carry those guns, they are slowly replacing the old remmington tweleve gauage shotgun common in all cruisers. Now-a-days it's not uncommon at all for a officer to have a colt M4.

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a simple punk doing a hold up in a little store with that type of gun would be dangerous and fuckn stupid

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Just because some "punk" has access to that weapon doesn't mean he's going to be proficent with it. And it's doubtful considering the price tag on them are usualy break their budget.

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And these weapon are to dangerous, they can cause more damage around you then a simple gun.

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What? Any gun in the hands of a criminal who is predispositioned to break the law is dangerous.

For shit sakes man, home depot is a one stop shopping experiance for all your bomb making needs.

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Man some punk get into your house, you start shooting like crazy, the dude managed to get out, but you killed the people that were outside by shootimng them thru the window without even knowing.

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What? Not everyone with a gun thinks like you do. You're obviously not mature enough to own a firearm. So please save your comments and questions for another time.

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its really easier to kill everybody by mistake

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Wrong.

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the gouvernement is one day going to take all your weapons away

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Wrong. State gun laws across the united states have superceeded federal laws (government) and in the past the state has been more strict when it comes to gun control.

There is already enough gun control legislation. Hopefully now that the republicans have control we'll slowly start seeing a change.

Dude I have no intrest to own a gun, and dont know how to use one, I never said I will shoot like that, thats just how I believe most of the people will do it, cause a lot of people buy guns and dont even know how to use them.

Maybe theyre mature enought to have a gun, but nececerly the proper training for it.

hell yay!

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Originally posted by Mack:
[B]Dude I have no intrest to own a gun, and dont know how to use one, I never said I will shoot like that, thats just how I believe most of the people will do it, cause a lot of people buy guns and dont even know how to use them.

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alot of people buy guns and dont know how to use them? you would know this HOW? thats so wrong.

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alot of people buy guns and dont know how to use them? you would know this HOW? thats so wrong.

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Hmm I dunno, maybe its my english, I dont live in the US, but if your telling me that everybody in the US who has a gun took courses for it, you must be an idiot for fucks sake, or maybe its just a fact, and maybe Im fuckn wrong, and everybody in the US whos a gun owner took shooting class.

If yes, I have to tell you I will be really suprised, so is it true or not?

So you are saying you must take a course to properly know how to use a gun? you must be one Fuckin dumass Hoser, aye. Do everybody a favor and throw your computer away.(*sigh* what a dumass)

No dickhead not a simple gun, but assault rifles yes. And if it doesnt take anything for assault rifles, then your right.

And everybody can leanr how to use a gun, but not everybody knows, and there are many proofs and videos, if I could find one I would show it to you, have you ever seen the vid when the black guy tries to shot another black dude close to a car, and misses his eight shots, the other was just ducking.

Well probably there are many vids like these, but if thats knowing how to use a gun, oh well, maybe your right.

I,ve never seen the video you are talking about, but yeah there are dumasses out there with guns. I just dont thinks everyone has to take a course on guns. thats all.

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Yes not everybody has to take courses, but is it the same for assault rifles? Thats what its all about.

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Dude I have no intrest to own a gun

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Then stop wasting our time with your bullshit.

You're not even putting together any construction questions.

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thats just how I believe most of the people will do it

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Randomly send bullets flying throughout their home? And risk their family? You've got to be kidding.

If you knew your ballastics the AR15 (.223 or 5.56NATO) does not overpenatrate and is actually a superior weapon when it comes to urban or home defense scenarios.

Although you can pick up a lot of SS109 (steel penatrator) for times when you do desire extra penatration.

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cause a lot of people buy guns and dont even know how to use them

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No, most gun newbies buy Jennings J-22 (.22 caliber pistols) and high point .380's not assault riffles.

It's a difference of starting out with a $50.00 investment or a $800.00 dollar investment.

Mack go to www.im-gay-and-guns-scare-me.com you'll fit right in there.

Thx for the link but guns dont scare me.

"Randomly send bullets flying throughout their home? And risk their family? You've got to be kidding."

Yes, your telling me it cant happen?

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Yes, your telling me it cant happen?

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Anyone seasoned to firearms, espically self defense shooting would know better than that. But for arguement sakes lets say you decide to light up your house...

.223 or 5.56NATO isn't going to over penatrate like i stated above.

The odds of sending stray shots downrange in a urban setting (suburbia) and hitting a innocent person are slim to none.

Either the would be intruder is going flee or wait till you run out of ammo and finish the job he or she started.

I just feel sorry for whoever has to redecorate and clean up the mess.

We could go on with many "what if" scenarios here and go absoultely no where in this discussion.

Bottom line - Should people be able to possess a assult rifle?

Yes - just like people should be able to possess fertilizer, ammonia and oil.

Do assault rifles require additional training?

No - takedown of a AR15 is simple.

No - with adaquate range time someone can get aquianted with the weapon and be proficient.

Must thugs don't have the cash to throw down on the cost of range time and ammunition. Instead they use the common spray and pray technique and commonly their firearm is stolden or purchased illegitatamately.

Firearms and recreational shooting generally gets expensive.

I'm sorry your country doesn't trust it's civilians with firearms.

Well thanks for the reaply.
You feel sorry, others feel sorry for the fact that their country accepts civilians with firearms, and as for me I dont care.

Yea...but for a shotgun. In some of the row houses I've seen, you can kill someone a couple houses over when you miss because of the penetrating power of the projectiles of the assault weapons.

Nox

My god, Mack just because you dont know how to fire a rifle doesnt mean anyone else doesnt, in some cases its natural (i take to firing rifles, like a duck to water, but thats just me ) and in some cases its not

If you are unsure about how well u can fire a firearm nick one from a friend that u know has one and take it to a desolate place away from prying cops

all it takes to fire a weapon is hold rifle in midsection with the stock at your shoulder, take aim and squeeze trigger, or in your case and i hope people agree with me hold rifle in midsection (where the trigger is) hold barrel to mouth and squeeze trigger. :P

I think that assault rifles in defence of the home should be allowed completely and then if needed, get some wire and hopefully explosives of some kind and place booby traps around your house.

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penetrating power of the projectiles of the assault weapons

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Negative, most law enforcement agencies have replaced the shotgun, or subgun, with a AR15 variant because of it's lack of over penatration in a urban enviroment.

Standard M185 5.56NATO ball ammo penatrates considerably less than a 9MM FMJ. That particular ammo (traveling 3,300+fps from muzzle) is designed to penatrate a little and fragment considerably (bullet also tends to yaw at a angle). Thereby creating a larger permanate and temporary wound channel. Espically if you take into considering the bullet diameter of .223

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7.62X39MM (common AK round) would penatrate more. Although many manufacters do make a suitable self defense round in this caliber with a jacked hollow point.

Guys Im not afraid or unsure, but thx for the advice and help, maybe thats the approach people that are against guns have in the US, theyre afraid.

I didnt reply to say that Im against, I just know there are a lot of stupifd people everywere, but maybe its just me cause Im not into guns like you guys, but Im sure there are plenty of idiots.

My reply wasnt to be anti-guns or tho show what Im afraid off, as I said I really dont care.

If the law here permits guns, its ok with me, if not its ok with me. Like I give a fuck, the gouvernement will do and force whatever they want anyways any day.

so where do you draw the line? can people with no real reason have belt fed mounted machine guns? how about gatling guns? when do you start saying 'you have no need for a weapon of that type'?. i now things may be bad where you live with crime and all that, but i think a heavy maching gun mounted in the back of a ute would be a whole new ball game.

this may sound like unrealistic situations, but with the attitude of some of the people here (all guns are great, everyone should have whatever they want) it doesn't seem that far out.