You wanted pics of this? now you got em.
The "traditional" KNO3 smoke ratio is this:

KNO3/Sugar
60%/40%

Zero had a faster burning "revised" recipie that was like this:

KNO3/Sugar
70%/30%

Its up to you what one you want to use. Anyways, I found that ICING SUGAR works best for the smoke recipie, instead of regular sugar.

Here I made a small demonstration batch.

here they are mixed.
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You slowly heat the mixture over a flame STIR CONSTANTLY. In this pic, you see the stuff is starting to melt together. Don't let it get too hot (it will turn black and smoke) or else it will all ignite.
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Here is the finished mix. While it is still warm you can put it into a contaner, and it will harden into the contaner shape.
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it burns pretty fast, and puts out a lot of smoke, but watch out for hot bits that are spat out.

could you add the Kno3 in after the sugar has melted (to prevent it from "blowing up " in your face) or does it have to be while it is melting

please tell me where i can easly obtain kno3. is it an ingredient in anything or do you have to buy it from a chemist?

rat_bastard
Thanks for the smoke info I was looking for that.

scythe
You can get KNO3 at a pharmacy. They might know it as salt peter but it's the same thing.

You wont find kno3 in any chemists here in australia. Tell me where u are and i might be able to help. You can however buy it from butchers (some of them, vinigar and salt is replacing "salt peter aks butchers salt"). I bought a 25kg bag for 30 bucks and im really happy with my batch. Something u can buy from a chemist is potassium permangate wich is better then kno3. However it costs a bloody fortinue ($5 for 25gram).

Icing sugar, also known as powdered sugar?

"Confectioner's Sugar".

~Zero the Inestimable

powdered sugar, icing sugar, confectioner's sugar... all the same thing.

no it's not the same powderd sugar will very dangerous becasue the powder will catch a flame...
it will blow up..


QriX

so powdered sugar is or is not the same thing? i was under the impression that it was, but someone just said its not.

and if it is the same, then could i do this: 70% potassium permanagate(i know its expensive, but i cant get potassium nitrate), and 30% powdered sugar? would that work, even if its crappy? i think it would, but im not completely sure.

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i don't see how powdered sugar will catch a flame but not confectioner's sugar, considering they're the SAME THING

powdered sugar is the same thing.

indead,
powderd sugar is just sugar but the powder will fly in the air and catch flame easily.

QriX

static_firefly: i live in the lower blue mountains in NSW.

can you help me at all?

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Originally posted by QriX:
indead,
powderd sugar is just sugar but the powder will fly in the air and catch flame easily.

QriX

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What are you talking about? sugar does not flame up like flour does. I took some of the icing sugar and threw it up in the air (so it made a cloud) and it didnot ignite when I lit it.

It's safe, I have made it many times and I have never had it blow up while making it.

hmm. I live in SE QLD. I get mine from a fertilizer wherehouses. just look that up in the yellow pages. Thats where a lot of farmers go to get there stuff. They might wanna know if u want fine or prill. get fine cus thats pretty pure while prill costs more and isnt water soulbul.

Powderd sugar does ignite same way coffee powder does!
not as easy to ignite but still..


QriX

In regards to the potassium permanganate mixture:

I think you would have to use less oxidizer and more sugar. Permanganates are more powerful oxidizers than nitrates. Also keep in mind that the permanagate smoke mixture (if it works) could be unstable - Permanaganates and oragnic compounds (sugar) generally don't mix well, nor do permanganates and moisture...

~Zero the Inestimable

...now what are other 'conventional' uses for kno3...?

It's much help to have a small talk backup story when, well, anyone, bothers you.

Black powder is a conventional use for KN03

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Originally posted by Zero the Inestimable:
In regards to the potassium permanganate mixture:

I think you would have to use less oxidizer and more sugar. Permanganates are more powerful oxidizers than nitrates. Also keep in mind that the permanagate smoke mixture (if it works) could be unstable - Permanaganates and oragnic compounds (sugar) generally don't mix well, nor do permanganates and moisture...

~Zero the Inestimable

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Thats right!
I ground a small amount of permanganate & sugar in a mortar & pestel (to see how friction/impact sensitive) and it crackled and caught on fire

unstable eh. I might give this a shot. I hate the way potperm stains your fingers when u play with it.

so we saying like 40% potperm and 60% sugar, 50%/50%, or even 30%/70%? ill probably have to experiment with it, but im curious so i could maybe not waste my time doing so.

[This message has been edited by Kanibus (edited 06-19-2002).]