the bible was written thousands of years ago by people who are even dumber than we are today. go to the bar and wait for it to empty out...go home and watch fox tv and just imagine that the bible was written by people dumber than all of these motherfuckers. just look at genisis, god decides to make earth and it takes six days to make earth and on the seventh day rests. god gets tired? and then he decides to make one guy...adam and goes "enjoy!" and takes off to go make venus or some shit and later finds out later that adam's lonely...i don't know, maybe god was thinking adam could commune with a sparrow and the fuckin lungfish. so when adam is sleeping he takes a rib out and creates eve and they later have kane and able...well first everyone knows there was the thing with the talking snake and a tree (which makes fucking sense?) which was our original fall from grace. then kane kills able and kane is banished from eden and is sent to nod(sp) where god provides him with a wife...so his punishment is that he doen't have to hang out with his parents and there is somebody he can fuck whenever he wants...that's his punishment? and he didn't even lose a rib for it. and then from there they get to noahs time where the bible kind of kicks in again. there's like six pages to get up to speed from where you get four people to a million without explaining the progression of evolution or incest because you know there was a lot of rapid insest. how do you not mention the long protraction of evolution? i guess in order to explain from going from 4 to a million people they just have a long list of people you know...this person begat this person for six pages. the funniest thing about all of those people is that they all grow up to be 800 to 900 years old. c'mon have you seen a person who's 100 years old? what kind of god is making people to be 900 years old? if you're a 100 years old and you fall down and break your hip you're not moving, you're just a piss and shit factory hoping for a piece of fruit to fall off a tree and roll to your mouth for 800 years and praying for death. these are all stories that are proported to be true but they are all lies.

Oh no, it's all true. Really, it's all a big book of facts!

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And here's me wondering why the bible wasn't on my list of science textbooks for the year.

The first part of the Bible was written by people +2000 years ago who had no records of history before 6000 years ago, (because this was when prehistoric people developed the first civilisations) so they assumed the world was created at this time. Your post sounds as though you've read the first 6 pages of the Bible. Have you ever thought there might be something beyond this? It's easy to take a small part of the Bible to prove or disprove anything about God, since the Bible was written by different people in different places at different times. If a small part turns out to be a story someone made up, it doesn't mean the rest of it holds no truth. But you wouldn't know, since you declared it "bullshit" after reading 6 pages.

[sarcasm]So you guessed its just one big moral epic. Wow, what next? He might figure out that beowulf isnt true either. [/sarcasm]

What makes you think that people in the past were dumber than we are today?

Alot of good has come out of the bible and other religis books.
The first few pages sound like a fairy tale not because people were dumb, just because history was not explored that well.
You get alot of these i hate religion posts, but you have to think about the time people were living in when they made there bibles for whatever riligion its for.
If you ask me its a book about good morals and lessons on life.

Hmmm..well allow me to put what seems to be in the dark to light. First of all let me say that I am a Jew. And also, I am well versed on this paricular subject so what I'm fixing to tell you is of factual and not fictional standing.

Adam and Eve a story of creation is total bullshit. And should be removed from your bibleand my tora. Make that the whole book of Genesis.
Reason being is when my ancestors were telling of this story back at its first telling the ancient Babalonians and Syrians also included this as thier story of creation. Afterall who authored the damn book?! Who knows. Who cares its nonsense. Had the other two civilazations survived to today perhaps they too would still use it as the story of how us and our world were created by The Almighty.

Now. Moses and his parting the red Sea is actually recorded on hyroglyphics in an ancient building not a pyramid but nonetheless it is there. Why its existance is so neglected in its announcement is beyond me. But luckily many-a-sandstorms buried and preserved it for us to observe and reenforce as proof of such an event.
Jesus who was a Jew I might remind those Christians who deny me and my people as valid servants of God did in fact walk on water. He did turn stones into bread and lepracy cured. Roman archives also recorded and acknowledged this. Now due to the fact that the Egyptians and Romans were of polytheistic(many Gods) theology, they wouldn't of wrote these down for our sake! They just wrote what they saw. Jesus proving himself to actually be of Godlike powers at his disposal was a valid threat to Pontius(<--fuck I can't spell his name forgive me )Pilot saw to it that after only three years of walking amongst his Empire he needed to rid of Him for his own survival as a Ruler. So he did.

Now don't let the metaphors in the book confuse you as anything more than just that metaphors and there are plenty!

So in summary; people are who is bullshit! They get off telling uneducated folks of the Faith how what YOU MUST DO or its to hell in a hand basket you go!

They are flirting with disaster here since God doesn't take misrepresenting His word&will by these pitifull people. My guess perhhaps they are the ones going for being so blatent in their blasphemy they hemselves preach about. We'll see.

But all the stories of all the saints and Legends of the Old-Testament are in fact recitalls of actual occurance once upon a time. This planet has had some amazing shit happen on it! So hopefully this helps explain a little why you say the bible is bullshit. In what you said you actually are correct. Incest is not a blessed act of man. Nor is fossils in our rocks there for shits and grins! They are records of past life here on earth millions of years ago. God does not goby a clock. So whats a billion years to Him?! Dunno. But I sure will find out one of these fortunate days!

Push that old book aside. It has done enough. We must address pressing current issues with a new face. Old religion & ideas/thoughts no longer have ANY legitimate application or purpose in modern life. No man eating whales, water-walking, chosen peoples, angels, devils, etc. will get in the way of correcting our defunct & corrupt government & ruling class. The people of the world now have a face to what now is considered a justifiable evil: Appropriation commitees, World Banks, Age old godamn money mongrel Secret Societies, The Fed, The United States Govt and its 3 piece suit insider demons who feed in the name of its citizens.
Throwing holy water on any of these people wouldnt do shit. It would only excite them into printing more money & giving it to themselves.
History is repeating itself folks. We cant sit on the sidelines while these motherfuckers continue to operate and manipulate. The time is now to once again rise to the occasion. WTO will be WTF.
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Dude. For the very fact you lack faith. Faith in its true sense of the word you sit there in fear as you obviously do.

And old books? No. You need to scroll up and see the main ideas of my paragraphs! And as a Son of God I will speak up and speak out for Him and his Word and His Will because it is indeed alive and well and folks like you make it so apparent as to why this is necessary.

Perhaps you need to dwell upon evil empires and worldly solutions and suffer the anxiety you produce upon yourself in having such a lack of spirit and soul.

I feel sorry for you. For I know for a fact that we are going to be alright in the end through and through because IN GOD WE/I TRUST! Now why do we print that on every piece of paper bearing our currency?!

What compelled the Treasury Dept. to intiate that?!

Don't send your soul to hell because you refused to explore territory unexplored inside you and outside you.

For you think you sound intelligent and wise. But you see. The wise man has the power to reason the way. For which you do not state above.

God is dead as in a subject?! You are so lost I almost doubt you will be found!

NO WAY D00D TEH BIBLE ROX! CHRIST IS TEH AWNSER!

seriously though, who gives a fuck? anyone with half a brain knows that the bible is a bunch of shit

the whole torah/new testement/koran no longer have great relism for people anymore. Its only there for people to feel more spiritual/special.

Bible = Bullcrap

Main Reason:
it makes god seem like a judgmental needy neurotic person. god is not a person god is more than we can possibly comprehend with our limited understanding. Also it states that god is perfect, but god made a mistake with us. How does a being that is perfect make a mistake. Why would god create mistakes or something that is capable of error if god is perfect. And don't give me that "the devil made us do it" crap. That is nothing but a sad mythological attempt to justify the asshole things we do. The problem is we are too stuck on fear(THIS IS THE THING THE BIBLE TEACHES YOU TO BE BY THE WAY: AFRAID AS FUCK) We've been raised with the disease of fear of ourselves and what we think and what other's think of us, that we forgot that we are actually loving creatures. Hence the world is a stinking materialistic deluded shit pile. Then on top of that we see evrey institution trying to instill fear to perpetuate itself and have more money

anyways... i bet you not one of you have read the hole bible. if you did your ideas would be a bit diffrent. im not saying you would be saved or some dumb shit like that im just saying you would understand what the bible is about, not just a bunch of fake sorys that go no where.

I always find it funny when I see these "athiest" and "agnostic" people that don't really have any good reason for not believing in the bible. The funny part is they're right about the bible being wrong, they just don't know why.

Let me make this clear, if you're going to become Athiest or agnostic, you better damn well have a good reason for it. Why take a risk, when you don't need to take a risk?

Oh, and this was from "My" an agnostic's point of view.

Back then (2000 + years ago) people weren't necessarily dumber than us.... They were just less informed. I'm sure back then if somebody wouldve taken the time to draw up an ACT of the times, there'd be people who ace it (as there is today) and people who fail the shit out of it (as there also is today). So to say the bible was written by idiots is not true. The bible was written by people who were less informed as we are today and needed a way of explaining things to each other (creation, life...) Though the situations are out-dated, the lessons certainly are not.

You need to comprehend the bible with the idea not to take everything literally.

Absolutely Brotha! Again, aside from Genesis the rest is a history book. And buddy some crazy shit went on that is recorded in there. Sinners who sinned beyond belief who turned around doing a "180" and became Saints. Like David. Folks. Goliath was of a clan of peole who were giants! And what is even crazier is a whole heap of these giants' bones were found in Nevada not too long ago. Ten-twelve foot tall skeletons of homosapiens! Wtf happened to them?! Dunno but its a compelling thought to wonder.

And David was a bastard before he was what he became as he is remembered!


Me personally, I hate refering to scripture for referance and verification since its been so mismanaged as such. I prefer to go on my blind faith thereof from this scripture. That's my source of conviction! But buddy thinking that God is to be disgraced on my watch at least, is flat out wrong and ignorant as well as absurd! I don't disgrace Budda! I just don't believe in him. Same goes for Hindu Gods. So why I must ask. Is it that God is so worthy of the crazy talk?! You who talk it!

You act as if to talk about him with recognition is gay.

Well don't go chasing waterfalls homos stick to the dick and balls you are used to!

Because you are gay for what you say!

James..First, you shouldn't bring this reason shit into a topic where supernatural forces are concerned..Second, I don't think their is a 'default' religion..that being true, you start out atheist (yeah i realize that was nitpicky as hell - no pun intended).

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Why take a risk, when you don't need to take a risk?

Oh, and this was from "My" an agnostic's point of view.

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When I read that was about when my twitch kicked in. Your either implying that not believing in the bible is a risk, or you just typed that for the hell of it.
Us Atheists/Agnostics automatically lose if any of these organized religions turn out to be true. So, "Your" Agnostic point of view is taking the biggest risk of all, right up there with Atheists..

Now to Andrew...<Sarcasm>Yes Andrew, your the only one who has even considered that there is something wrong with a book in which people live to be 900 years old. (You'll never believe this, i did a search on google for some of those kick ass guns in Dr.Seus's books, it turns out they're not real either!!!!!!!!!!!) Yes, your the smartest person in the world.</Sarcasm>

I'm pretty sure that even the Catholics know that not every word in the bible is true. I have to assume that most of the stories in the bible were probably written with more of Moral motivation.



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the bible was written thousands of years ago by people who are even dumber than we are today. go to the bar and wait for it to empty out...go home and watch fox tv and just imagine that the bible was written by people dumber than all of these motherfuckers. just look at genisis, god decides to make earth and it takes six days to make earth and on the seventh day rests. god gets tired? and then he decides to make one guy...adam and goes "enjoy!" and takes off to go make venus or some shit and later finds out later that adam's lonely...i don't know, maybe god was thinking adam could commune with a sparrow and the fuckin lungfish. so when adam is sleeping he takes a rib out and creates eve and they later have kane and able...well first everyone knows there was the thing with the talking snake and a tree (which makes fucking sense?) which was our original fall from grace. then kane kills able and kane is banished from eden and is sent to nod(sp) where god provides him with a wife...so his punishment is that he doen't have to hang out with his parents and there is somebody he can fuck whenever he wants...that's his punishment? and he didn't even lose a rib for it. and then from there they get to noahs time where the bible kind of kicks in again. there's like six pages to get up to speed from where you get four people to a million without explaining the progression of evolution or incest because you know there was a lot of rapid insest. how do you not mention the long protraction of evolution? i guess in order to explain from going from 4 to a million people they just have a long list of people you know...this person begat this person for six pages. the funniest thing about all of those people is that they all grow up to be 800 to 900 years old. c'mon have you seen a person who's 100 years old? what kind of god is making people to be 900 years old? if you're a 100 years old and you fall down and break your hip you're not moving, you're just a piss and shit factory hoping for a piece of fruit to fall off a tree and roll to your mouth for 800 years and praying for death. these are all stories that are proported to be true but they are all lies.

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I love it when people try to deny the bible. Especially when they have opinions fabricated by means of ignorance. What I like about their arguments is that they are incorporeal and full of conglomerations. And to think that this puts them in a state of satiety (or is just to make them feel significant?. either one).

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this is good...i didn't mean to make so many people defensive about this topic (actually i did...i love contradicting myself). i actually made an ass out of myself by saying it's bullshit...i just meant to say it's funny and that while there is a lot of true things in the bible (and "lessons") there is a lot of fiction. i should have made myself more clear by making the topic titled "genesis is bullshit" but i'm only human. the statement about people back then being dumber then people of today is just a matter of opinion...i don't care if i'm wrong. sure we evolved but shit we might even be devolving as well i guess. to be honest i don't know where i'm going with this so i'll just go hide back in my cave.

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Originally posted by andrewcasa:
the bible was written thousands of years ago by people who are even dumber than we are today.

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You have proven that you are not as widely read in the field of religion as you would want us to believe.

Now I don't know what your definition of "today" is, but if you go back in history a mere 170 years and you find a document "written" (transcribed is a better description) by a 19 year old lad named Joseph Smith.

At least some of the 2000+ year old book can be verified archeologically.

Something to think about.

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If you ask me its a book about good morals and lessons on life.

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yeah...thats why there were such things as inquisitions, crusades, and why the native americans were virtually wiped out. it teaches such GREAT lessons about life and morals.

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Originally posted by JamesTheGod:
I always find it funny when I see these "athiest" and "agnostic" people that don't really have any good reason for not believing in the bible. The funny part is they're right about the bible being wrong, they just don't know why.

Let me make this clear, if you're going to become Athiest or agnostic, you better damn well have a good reason for it. Why take a risk, when you don't need to take a risk?

Oh, and this was from "My" an agnostic's point of view.

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if my "soul" can feel the flames of "hell" i consider living my life free quite worth the risk. esp. since the ancient egyptians were probaly 500 times cooler than any christian thing i can think of. =)

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Originally posted by andrewcasa:
the bible was written thousands of years ago by people who are even dumber than we are today. go to the bar and wait for it to empty out...go home and watch fox tv and just imagine that the bible was written by people dumber than all of these motherfuckers. just look at genisis, god decides to make earth and it takes six days to make earth and on the seventh day rests. god gets tired? and then he decides to make one guy...adam and goes "enjoy!" and takes off to go make venus or some shit and later finds out later that adam's lonely...i don't know, maybe god was thinking adam could commune with a sparrow and the fuckin lungfish. so when adam is sleeping he takes a rib out and creates eve and they later have kane and able...well first everyone knows there was the thing with the talking snake and a tree (which makes fucking sense?) which was our original fall from grace. then kane kills able and kane is banished from eden and is sent to nod(sp) where god provides him with a wife...so his punishment is that he doen't have to hang out with his parents and there is somebody he can fuck whenever he wants...that's his punishment? and he didn't even lose a rib for it. and then from there they get to noahs time where the bible kind of kicks in again. there's like six pages to get up to speed from where you get four people to a million without explaining the progression of evolution or incest because you know there was a lot of rapid insest. how do you not mention the long protraction of evolution? i guess in order to explain from going from 4 to a million people they just have a long list of people you know...this person begat this person for six pages. the funniest thing about all of those people is that they all grow up to be 800 to 900 years old. c'mon have you seen a person who's 100 years old? what kind of god is making people to be 900 years old? if you're a 100 years old and you fall down and break your hip you're not moving, you're just a piss and shit factory hoping for a piece of fruit to fall off a tree and roll to your mouth for 800 years and praying for death. these are all stories that are proported to be true but they are all lies.

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That is the smartest thing i think i have ever heard. And quite funny too.

IF the bible isn't bull shit then what is it?
WHy is stated that the bible is 100percent truth, and that its GOD revelation?

Is there an INDEX that indicates "this is fiction(moral teaching) and this is FACT"
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and Exactly! people back then weren't informed as much as we are. So they lacked knowledge. Something couldn't be explained: They wrote an elaborate story to explain it. And guess what this caused? It caused them to think it was RIGHT/FACT.

So the miracles of Jesus were or were not literal? Where they moral teachings? Why where they written 70-80 years after his death. And they only wrote about his birth, and the last 3 years of his life?

And BIble = History book = HIS STORY. Which is a bias perspective of the individual writer.

Oh yes many doctrines were found that state some of things in the bible to be true. Ever heard of Forging? If people heard something and chose to believe it dearly, and wrote on piece of paper "i saw this, it is true" then later found. That makes it undeniably 100PERCENT FACT?

Religionist use the act of "BEgging the Question" as a premise for argument.

They present a written Bible and present it as Fact because supposedly GOD wrote it.

This means that your evidence for your arguement is your conclusion. You state it, and use your statement as your evidence.

Now if you want to take the Entire BIBLE as a moral teaching, then why not consider yourself a Greekmythologist?

Does not Greek Mythology have good moral teachings?