Ok here are ideas that i have had for a while but have only just noted down. They are written here exactly how i noted them down so don't mind the short stubby sentences.

At the begining, nothing existed but God, with a mind so pure, and uninfluenced by anything (since only God existed).
All of God's 'thoughts' happened at the very same moment. Since, at that very moment' nothing existed but God, his thought were based completely on his own mind. In other words: his thoughts are his own creative imaginations about hisself.
Since there is no physical container for his mind (a brain for example), his mental ability is not contained by anything, and so his thoughts about hisself are complete and absolute.
'Time' was created the moment God 'thought' (since the idea of time was included in his thoughts). God 'however' exists outside of time, and his imagination of 'time' stretches for ever in both directions (ie: the past goes on forever, and the future goes on forever).
'Time' is Gods imagination in process, although it has already been 'imagined' by God outside of time.
Life as we know it, is the process of God 'imagining', which has already happened, but has been stretched over time. 'Life' is God expressing his thoughts through the act of 'imagining'. God knows everything, because 'everything' is what he has already imagined to have happened.
Since everything exists within Gods imagination, it is impossible to prove that God exists to anyone exept yourself.
You can prove it to yourself, by realising that you are part of the God. As part of God you are also imagining. You are not the 'imagination', you are only experiencing the 'imagination' as part of God. In effect, you are experiencing yourself, or your 'Godself'.
You 'think' therefore you are. Only God exists. He is a thinker, and everything else exists only as an imagination. We can 'think', therefore we are not a part of the imagination, but are an imaginer.

Make sense of this. If you give it thought, you can see how many spiritual beliefs, religeous concepts, and spoken wisdom, arises from this theory.


I know i'm right with what i say, and i challenge anyone to ask me a question about it that i cannot answer.

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Originally posted by Beany:
I know i'm right with what i say, and i challenge anyone to ask me a question about it that i cannot answer.

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Humble, aren't we?

Nox

Who builds the pyramids?

If god's mind is "pure", and our existance is his "imagination", then all morals are false, and our concepts of good and evil are strictly for his own entertainment, right?

Sorry Nox, i don't mean to sound arrogant. I guess it's just a mixture of 'passion' for my ideas, and a method of getting people stirred up enough to challenge me. Didn't work too well tho

VeneFrigus, the pyramids were built by ant/human hybrids.

And user X, thanks for the question.
All morals are to suit each individual. We only assign the title of 'evil' to acts caused by other people that we are ignorant to the purpose of, or, ignorant to the process of how their decision was made. We may consider the act 'negative', but the person making the act would consider it necessary and justified to himself.
Therefore the concept of 'good' and 'evil' are created by humans who have judged someones intentions, but as it says in the bible 'thou shall not judge' and not without reason.

>>>>All morals are to suit each individual.<<<

No they arent. The morals that last and persist are collective, because of their effect on one's people.

>>>>> We only assign the title of 'evil' to acts caused by other people that we are ignorant to the purpose of, or, ignorant to the process of how their decision was made.<<<<

I know why a satanic cult would gang-rape a child. I know the purpose of it and how they came to their decision. It is evil.

>>>> We may consider the act 'negative', but the person making the act would consider it necessary and justified to himself.<<<<

So what? Each individual is not the center of his own multiverse.

>>>>Therefore the concept of 'good' and 'evil' are created by humans who have judged someones intentions<<<<

No, they are interpreted by man, not created. Man cannot create, only discover.

>>>> but as it says in the bible 'thou shall not judge' <<<<

It says a lot of stupid bullshit.

You're assuming time is linear, while more and more evidence points to this not being the case. It's a mear perception of the human mind -- not doubt, influenced by evolutionary needs.

Hi Beany,
Well! I'm glad you've taken the time to ponder the nature of reality. It's a fascinating subject that provides immeasurable possibilities for personal growth. There are a couple of your suppositions that I want to question though. I don't know why you are assuming that time exists, or that it exists in a linear form. Also, why do you think that we are only experiencing something that has already been imagined by the entity you call "God"? Can we not actualize our own reality based on our own thoughts? Otherwise, what is the purpose of our physical existence if it has been pre-destined by the imagination of another entity?

>>>>Can we not actualize our own reality based on our own thoughts? <<<<<

No. What goes up comes down in everyones reality. What lives dies. What dies rots. If not they have problems.

time is very very very linear... well at least linear time is linear, that is to say there is more than on kind of "time".

but beginning middle and end are concepts of a bounded context, meaning one with limit, so is the universe limited or unlimited or best of all both. yes it's both! live with it, and god only exists cuz you believe in him, so stop believing in him cuz it's getting annoying all you silly religious people.

just something to note-

a great book on the biology of religion is "Why God Won't Go Away"

very good book
thought inspiring

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Originally posted by Beany:
...the concept of 'good' and 'evil' are created by humans who have judged someones intentions, but as it says in the bible 'thou shall not judge' and not without reason.

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We more strenuously judge the RESULTS of their actions (except the apologists), and how those results affect society. Therefore the bible is wrong - when it designs to usurp our god-given right to judge others.

I agree. 'Actions', instead of 'intentions'.
Maybe i should give more thought to my choice of words.

Now just think with everything that you know right now you think that this is a GREAT theory. Just wait till you find our more information about what u "know" or belive. This write up will be quickly edited.
>=o)

Damn this seeking.

you are such a sick and deluded man, I don't even know where to begin.

The thing that bothers me the most is that your silly theory robs humans of their free will. If we are little more than pre-thought imaginational delusions of God. What is the point of living? And if that is true, then a person can live anyway they choose, because 'God' already had that planned in his imagination, and so that is the way it is suppose to be. Hitler acted in the way God intended. Osama Bin Laden and Al-Quida acted in the way God Intended. You have given justification to every sick act ever committed , and say it is all part of "HIS" plan.

You are a poor, misguided soul indeed...

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Originally posted by Beany:

At the begining, nothing existed but God, with a mind so pure, and uninfluenced by anything (since only God existed).

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You have already assumed way too much. The hypothesis is untestable and the deity who's very existence is in question evades any and all forms of detection, which is directly indicative of non-existence.

Hmm maybe I should keep my ideas to myself.

Beany...
I'm waiting.
You said you would answer everyone's questions... WELL?

Hi Ursus
Well i decided that I wouldn't bother visiting this website any more, because there are too many people that answer in very disrespectful ways, before they understand how certain ideas and theories work. But i just couldn't help but return.

<<I don't know why you are assuming that time exists, or that it exists in a linear form.>>

No matter what anyone says, time exists. It is only peoples interpretation of time that complicates things. Obviously I have my own interpretatiom of time, And it isn't based around the movemenets of a clock. It is based around every single change that happens between one point and another. The amount of changes that happen are almost infinate, but we, as humans, have devised a way of putting change onto a perspective by associating 'time' as a measurement. Obviously 'time' is not a measurement, but this is the closest association that we have given it and so this is what we associate it to.. measurement. But it isn't about measuremnet, its about change.


<<Can we not actualize our own reality based on our own thoughts?>>
We can actualise our own relity based upon our own thoughts, but despite what we think. There is only 1 reality. If we think that there are many realities, then that concept of many realities is 'a' reality therefore is 'one' reality
Our destiny has not been decided by one being (god). It has only been 'observed' by God as he observes how his mind works. He is everything that is. He has begun to exist in an imaginitive form, and he knows exactly how this 'form' operates, and so he knows exactly what thoughts will make our decisions.
We do have free will. We have the ability to 'decide', but god knows every factor that is used in making our decision and so he knows what it is we will decide. To simplify, imagine a hungry rat placed into a very simple maze. There are 2 choices. 1: to turn left where there is no cheese, or 2: right where there is cheese. If the rat is hungry then you know it will turn right because of what its senses tell it. This is how god works, he know what we will do in the same way, exept in a more complicated way.

<<Can we not actualize our own reality based on our own thoughts?>>

Yes we can, but this is only God actualising his reality, and as we are a part of god we are also actualising our own reality - as we choose it. The only reality that exists is that we can choose wichever reality we want.

And as for Redbananamonkey

Shut up!! Don't diss a theory just because it doesn't sound nice.
What kind of a thinker are you?
There are many avenues that stem from my ideas. You have chosen your own avenues (as seen in your previous post). What a sick mind you have!

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An all-powerful, all-knowing, all-loving God is a paradox. It probably can't exist in as much as a paradox probably can't exist. I know no one's really talking abou this issue but its a favorite of mine... lala

Beany, your description of "time" as change is a measurement. Hear me out, another word for measurement is description. You describe "time", hence you measure it... in other words you place it into a context that you can understand and communicate to others - by placing it in this context you can not avoid measuring it.

Your description of free will is not free will. But I'm pretty calm about the idea that we don't have free will. No doubt someone will see fit to point out [INSERT CHAOS THEOREM HERE]

The biggest obstacle you face towards convincing others of the "truth" of what you are saying is that you have made untestable metaphysical claims. You have described the universe to us and we cannot prove or disprove some elements of this description. This doesn't automatically disqualify your theory but it makes people suspicious. So, if your intention is to convince others that what you are saying is true, you face this initial problem.

I think I was repeating someone there, but its true and needs to be stressed.

On a side note, I really really really really hope you are right about our universe. A universe with an objectively existing god is (usually) a better one than one without.

But what I want or don't want simply can't affect what actually IS.

And if you could answer ANY question about a theory, then all that proves is you have a totally CONSISTENT theory, not necessarily a TRUE one.


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[B>>>> We may consider the act 'negative', but the person making the act would consider it necessary and justified to himself.<<<<

So what? Each individual is not the center of his own multiverse.

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of course he is. a persons perceptions is ultimate and his world is just that, HIS WORLD. what is most important to the individual? himself of course. you are the center of the entire multiverse. i know my argument doesnt make alot of sense or hold up to logical analysis because you can argue two sides of everything but i am trying to explain a non physical concept that causes our very language and logic to fail us. you cant truely be taught this concept, you must simply KNOW it.



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of course he is. a persons perceptions is ultimate and his world is just that, HIS WORLD. what is most important to the individual? himself of course. you are the center of the entire multiverse.

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you cant truely be taught this concept, you must simply KNOW it.

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Sounds like solipsism: the extreme form of scepticism which denies the possibility of any knowledge other than that of one's own existence.

Seems logical, only oneself can truely "KNOW" all the details of our unique existence. All knowledge once gained becomes a part of our existence, hence is not apart from it - so the theorem continues - the 'one' reality is, we all live in different realities.

Riddle me this...
Why did the bible say that the earth wasn't round?

Also did you know the Roman Catholic Church did not acknowledge that the earth revolves around the sun until the mid 1990�s.

that makes sense, after all where did all this shit come from, even before the "big bang" where did all that shit come from

-ShadowFist

Time is not linear. There is no past or future, only right now. The past is not a place you can travel to. You could travel into the future, but when you got there it wouldn't be the future any more, it would be right now. Does this reasoning make sense?

The obvious anti thesis to the thesis proposed by Beany is that Man is God, and that God only exists as a product of Man's imagination

Beany, I love it when people come to this site and espouse a certain belief system and are quite sure they know the meaning of life. To talk about time and all of the implications will take much more study and research than you have put into it. You have decided with a couple paragraphs that you have existance nailed down to a tee.

It is hard to be certain about a lot of subjects. The only thing I know is that I am a human being and so are the rest of us. I like the concepts behind humanism. It makes sense to me because humans are around us. We can use all of our "god given" senses to experience each other. Yet, we cannot experience god.

I am not going to say you are wrong. I will only say that your theory is vastly far from complete. People spend their entire lives studying mankind, god, evolution, time, life. You, at age 20 something, have figured out the mystery of life. Yeah.