jk rowling apparantly is link to the true occult, using names of real demons and devils such as draco and hermes in her harry potter books. She also shows a lot of knowledge of the occult in her harry potter books. some children now have resulted in wanted to become witches and wizards now after reading her books.
click here for more info then click on one of the harry potter books titles

Oh yea! I totally agree. Talk about brainwashing our children under the guise of playful fantasy! It's everywhere now. The tv cartoons, toys, video games... it's the beautiful side of evil. Our children are like lambs going to the slaughter.

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I like Harry Potter books. It's an interesting world.

But in reality. So what? Do you feel threatened by a popular occult presense? Harry Potter isn't telling kids to sacrifice goats and virgins. He's not telling them to kill their families and friends. They are fun books! Have some fun!

silicon, feller, what the hell are you two doing on @totse? why don't you go find a nice non-anarchistic goody goody religious bbs? your christian views are stereotypically narrow-minded, judgemental and ignorant. i don't think you or your opinions are welcome here.

Shit, ^My thoughts exactly.

You would be surprised that there are some people that are open to opposition. As a Christian, it is my responsibility to keep the naive informed. Why? Because if I do not, then the blood of the innocent is on my head. If I do not speak up and tell the truth and clarify things, then I am more guilty than those who are blind to the light. For I know what the truth is and I let others go their own way and ultimately to their death, without attempting to warn them of the impending doom that faces them. For me to not attempt to try, would be the most unloving and unchristian like act to do.

My comments may not be welcome by most on this site but the very introduction upon becoming a member here was to acknowledge that there would be opposing points of view. It is not my intention to force my beliefs down anyone's throat but likewise to educate the naive and to warn the ignorant. Likewise, you must follow the same guidelines as I and accept my views with the respect that I do yours. I have not verbally threatened anyone at this site, yet I have recieved one death threat from some kid with daddy's gun. If my views were not welcome here then why did the webmaster choose not to state that in the initial guidelines. Believe it or not, there are people here silently observing my perspectives and weighing for themselves what the truth is. So what if other Christians post here. Why would you care? Is this not what the freedom and spirit of this site is all about?

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HA I knew it....THE DEVIL is in childrens books. BARNEY and the TELLYTUBBYS are in on it too, so I guess kids aren't allowed any fantasy because it is just another way to worship the devil.

Dude that is just plain sad, the trouble is I have an image of you in my head taking away books from little kids and them crying.

Oh come now there are good books out there too! What about Veggie Tales?

I got another gripe to make... lying to our children about Santa Claus? Any comments?

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"It is not my intention to force my beliefs down anyone's throat"

By stating that you know the truth and you need to enlighten the ignorant in cases where everything is based solely on personal opinion and belief, this is exactly what you're doing. Yes, it would be nice if everyone else would refrain from statements like, "we don't want your opinions here", because that's equally ignorant. If you want to be such a good Christian, rise above that and don't assume you need to tell us you're right and we're wrong.

Why is the occult bad?

feller, i really tried to refrain from sounding angry in my last post, i don't want to pick an argument with you. why? because i know that i will never win such an argument, the best i could ever achieve is a hateful stalemate. i've argued with people exactly like you before and i've learned one thing: no matter what i say, or what i do, or what arguments i use, or what evidence i present, or what proof i bring forth, i will never, ever, EVER change your mind. faith, is important, but when it is combined with a lack of respect for others beliefs, it becomes a tool of hatred and persecution.

Spiffy McBang

ok... I admit.. I been a bit pushy... I just get all fired up when I read comments that seem to attack my faith. I will try to calm down and only comment when addressed. Though that seems a very difficult task for a mouthy person like me!

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Redrover

I don't think it's bad... it just can be dangerous. Like... you don't know who your dealing with... whether good or evil.

Mycroft

Well ok... but can discussion bring out the
pure logic of it all? I mean... can it not be like iron sharpening iron? We Christians are commanded to give an account to skeptics that question our faith. What is wrong with this? What if the tables were turned... what would you do if you were in my shoes?

Perhaps you can't discuss this subject... then perhaps you might be willing to observe and make a non-biased opinion upon what you read. Is that not what this site is for?



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"I will try to calm down and only comment when addressed. Though that seems a very difficult task for a mouthy person like me!"

If you don't want to keep catching shit from people, figure it out.

(with regards to the occult) "I don't think it's bad... it just can be dangerous."

Anything can be dangerous. That is NOT a viable argument against anything as a whole, unless the chances that it will be used dangerously are too high to be ignored.

"We Christians are commanded to give an account to skeptics that question our faith. What is wrong with this?"

Nothing. It's how you do it that matters. "This is what I believe" will get you a thousand times farther than, "this is how it is".

you know i'm not a christian, but in onefinefellers defense;

why is it when a christian states their views these days; and not just on totse but all over; they are regarded as intolerant pushing views on people.

yet the same argument does not hold for other belief systems; all of which have a standard of right and wrong just like christianity.

i don't see the guy forcing anybody to his system of beliefs, he just states views on living life that fit for him and work for him and have given him peace, and as part of that belief system he's just sharing one idea that works.

you know people you should use these same arguments when an atheist says you are dumb and being led like a sucker; but you never will, and it is just as intolerant towards a religious persons beliefs as that religious person's beliefs are intolerant towards an atheists.

yet it's the christian who has to reword what he says.

and mycroft, i don't think it was a valid assessment calling christians narrow-minded; or any people who believe in a higher power;

wouldn't you think narrow-minded would restrict you to just physical tangible things?

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Originally posted by Mycroft:
feller, i really tried to refrain from sounding angry in my last post, i don't want to pick an argument with you. why? because i know that i will never win such an argument, the best i could ever achieve is a hateful stalemate. i've argued with people exactly like you before and i've learned one thing: no matter what i say, or what i do, or what arguments i use, or what evidence i present, or what proof i bring forth, i will never, ever, EVER change your mind. faith, is important, but when it is combined with a lack of respect for others beliefs, it becomes a tool of hatred and persecution.

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mycroft, i suggest you explain yourself. if you had REALLY tried, you would have been polite and shown him that you are the (or a) better person. what you did was so openly hipocritical its not even funny. and to just brush it off like that seems quite rude.

its like someone saying, you are just like every other dumbass agnostic out there.

then saying:

i repsect your faith and your right to believe what you choose.

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Originally posted by Mycroft:
silicon, feller, what the hell are you two doing on @totse? why don't you go find a nice non-anarchistic goody goody religious bbs? your christian views are stereotypically narrow-minded, judgemental and ignorant. i don't think you or your opinions are welcome here.

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things just dont quite add up.

and lost, i know EXACTLY what you mean. that whole 'preaching' and shoving your beliefs down peoples throats is bullshit.

if that is the case, saying that God doesn't exists is the exact same thing as telling someone about him.

1- no, believing in a higher power does not make you narrow-minded. i did not say that. narrow-mindedness is when you have a belief system that is set in stone and you see the entire world through this system. anything that deviates outside of your belief system is evil. other belief systems, books, tv shows, ideas, all of which are innocent and fun become evil because they do not fit into your belief system. narrow-mindedness is the outright refusal to adapt your belief system no matter what evidence presents itself.

2- to clear things up in my last two posts this is what i meant:

Post 1: feller, you're narrow-minded. i don't like you.

Post 2: feller, sorry that was inflamatory. i don't want an argument. you can believe whatever you want to. but i still don't like you.

Mycroft

Well then I guess everyone's narrowminded! We all have our different views. Everything is NOT ok! I could care less whether you like me or not. This site is so biased that if anyone stands in the way of your high and mighty opinions... you take odds.

Who is being narrowminded to whom? Talk about being a hypocrite!

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But it is different, fanaticals like the people who say:
"jk rowling apparantly is link to the true occult, using names of real demons and devils such as draco and hermes in her harry potter books. She also shows a lot of knowledge of the occult in her harry potter books. some children now have resulted in wanted to become witches and wizards now after reading her books."
that's illogical. Like Mycroft said they have built a fortress of their beliefs and anything that doesn't go along with these beliefs is the DEVIL. The thing is these beliefs were written thousands of years ago - not all the same rules apply, right?
Most Athiests do accept critisism(sp?) but they have logical arguments too. Give me one logical argument to go against children reading fantasy books.
My beliefs aren't set. If you come up with something that makes sense to me I will ACCEPT it. That doesn't work with 'most' Christians, not all I admit.

Say you're a Christian, and I'm not. You know this. You say to me, "You're not a Christian, you go to hell! You go to hell and you die!" You're being an asshole. I say, "You're a Christian, you lamb, you sheep, you moronic follower of the herd! Get your head out of your ass!" I, too, am being an asshole.

Generally, on this board, you see both, but it's much more likely for the Christian to be called on it. That was the point, not the validity of the disagreements.

we are not all narrow-minded. every time i read or see something new and interesting i contemplate it, take what i want and adjust my beliefs to incorporate it. my belief system changes on a weekly basis.

fair enough.

but sometimes I am just arguing a certain issue and someone jumps on me for Christian bashing.

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But those 2000 year old beliefs are still good. Although a lot has changed since the roman era, human nature hasn't. Their's as much if not more lust, gluttony, pride, wrath, sloth, jealousy and greed in the world today and the lessons of the bible are still applicable.

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