These forums crack me up. Everyone is ripping on Bush, America, and everything with these bland innuendos and leftist rhetoric. I check once in a while to check on all the brainwashed idiots who believe everything and anything their agenda-driven professors and favorite media personalities told them.
It is so damn easy be Anti-American and claim that the "US holds itself above international law" and "should be inspected for weapons of mass destruction" (this just in - we got 'em).
Whether you want to admit it or not, taking the politically correct route and blaming America for everything is akin to taking the easy way out. Don't be sheep. Sheep are fucking boring.

Baa??

Yeah, this is kind of sad. Ever look at that ChuckStone kid's posts? He basically survives on vague assertions and calling his opponent a racist. Call him on this stupid behavior, and he immediately claims to have concretely proven every single bullshit point he's tried to make. Pathetic.

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Originally posted by Lokil:
These forums crack me up. Everyone is ripping on Bush, America, and everything with these bland innuendos and leftist rhetoric. I check once in a while to check on all the brainwashed idiots who believe everything and anything their agenda-driven professors and favorite media personalities told them.
It is so damn easy be Anti-American and claim that the "US holds itself above international law" and "should be inspected for weapons of mass destruction" (this just in - we got 'em).
Whether you want to admit it or not, taking the politically correct route and blaming America for everything is akin to taking the easy way out. Don't be sheep. Sheep are fucking boring.

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Correct, unfortunatly, I think you are tiring your fingers for no reason, It's like talking to yourself when you try to reason with these degenerate fuckwads.

But Joe, you do it, why shouldn't Lokil?

Nox

Lokil you have a damn good point. And its sad really that that is how todays "left" represents itself. And people wonder why America is slowly sliding center-right. Oh well i guess that what happens when public education and the government itself discourages free thought. For the record I myself am a socialist not that it really needed to be noted

just cause bush is black

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But Joe, you do it, why shouldn't Lokil?

Nox

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Someone had to let Lokil know.

International "Law" is simple. He with the biggest stick wins. How can America hold itself above such a law?

I agree with this topic, although I find it annoying that it's author and others won't admit that the right wing has it's share of sheep, too.

Are you seriously telling me that all leftists are brainwashed idiots but your average flag waving jingoist church goer is an individual that sees through propaghanda.

All political ideals have propaghanda. Some people seem to think their ideals are correct, and are therefore shared by individuals and intellgient thinkers, but ideas they disagree with are wrong and everyone that believes them is a herd animal.

Of course the Right has its share of mindless dumbasses. One of them is in my physics class. And for the record, I don't count myself as a conservative (unless we're counting paleoconservatives...). But I recall going to a Young Democrats meeting once, just for kicks. It was full of aimless kids who knew only one thing - the rich suck and somebody is oppressing us, la di da. I find that the new generation of conservatives, while still short-sighted sometimes, at least give a little more thought to things. They're well read, they're well organized, and they explain their point of view with logic and reason, rather than screaming slogans and waving signs at each other. That's just my opinion, based on my experiences.

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You took the words from my keyboard ... that is my experience as well. If anyone wants to argue your point, I reference Paul Wellstone's funeral ... a totally sad commentary for the Democratic Party, its leadership (who organized it), and the surviving Wellstone children (who not only let it happen, but participated as well).

Nox

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You took the words from my keyboard ... that is my experience as well. If anyone wants to argue your point, I reference Paul Wellstone's funeral ... a totally sad commentary for the Democratic Party, its leadership (who organized it), and the surviving Wellstone children (who not only let it happen, but participated as well).

Nox

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An excellent example of the Democrats shooting themselves in the foot with their self-righteous behavior. I can't name a single Democrat in my Political Science class who wasn't utterly appalled by that. If not for that spectacular 11th hour blunder, the Democrats might have another seat in the senate.

Most intelligent, politically active right wingers I know are intelligent and thoughtful. I've actually noticed they're more open to new ideas then most leftists. The key words are intelligent and politically active.

The sheep I'm referring to are mostly middle aged investment bankers that live in suburban America. They're members of the NRA, they hunt, they wave American flags out their windows and stick them on their cars, and they claim that we're the greatest country ever, and go to church on sundays. If someone asks them what exactly is so great about America, they just stop functioning.

I can respect patriots. I'm a patriot myself in many ways, although I disagree with many of the government's policies. I have no problem with people that support these policies as long as they're capable and willing to discuss why. I'll respect anyone that listens and considers what I say as much as I listen to what they have to say. Several right wingers I know are completely incapable of this. They just assume that their coutnry's the greatest because Dick Cheney said so. I'm not denying the left has it's share of similar minded individuals (btw, by "left" I do not mean democrats), but before waving accusations at us in general you need to closely examine your average flag waiving blind jingoist.

I live in the suburbs. I don't hunt, but I would love to join the NRA someday, if only because they're the largest 2nd Amendment group in the country. I used to go to church on Sundays, until I abandoned it in favor of personal, private introspection (sleep). And I proudly display the American flag.

The fact that I do these things doesn't mean that I couldn't tell you why I do these things - I'd gladly do so, though only by specific request, as that isn't really the topic of the thread. And it certainly doesn't mean that I think everything is A-OK in America. Go to my website some time; it's just pages and pages of me and my friends bitching endlessly about what's wrong with this country.

I suppose the lesson here is that there are idiots on all sides of the political spectrum. But just because somebody does something you consider idiotic doesn't mean they don't have some very sensible reasoning behind it.

Uncl is the kind of guy that Lokil is talking about. His charachterization of the surburban investment-banker is prime evidence. He also charachterizes all outdoor sportsmen as rednecks, probably due to an unfortunate and brutal incident, suffered on a float-trip.

Well, I suppose that it is time for my two cents:

I'm not exactly anti-American, though I, at the current time, do not support the executive branch at the federal level (The White House/Bush). I supported Clinton partly, but not totally, because Clinton asked Attorney General Janet Reno to find a way 'around the constituition' when it came to the search of federal public housing projects in Chicago. Do some research, and you'll see.

As for why I don't support Bush, it's because he has made too many changes that favor the rich, which I disagree with. I'm hoping that the Democrat from one of the Carolinas who wants to run for president, gets to win and implements his promises in 2004 - those promises to help the common man. Of course, I'm working on the development of a new country, but I suppose that's beside the point.

Maybe for once, a campaigner will keep his promises. Then, he would, deserve to be elected.

Righist sheep are typically silent.

I doubt that the senator will do that. HE is a millionare lawyer. Just like Bush who is a millionare. The rich will always support the rich because they are the ones who fund their campaign. I want a hard working middle-class person in the White House.

Why? because you're hard-working middle-class?

You're too wrapped up in the money. Remember, politicians aren't just your run of the mill whores; they're also massive vote whores. For the most part, they go where the voters take them.

(And my deepest apologies to all the whores who may have been hurt by the comparison.)

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probably due to an unfortunate and brutal incident, suffered on a float-trip.

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*Banjo music rings in Noxs' ears*

Nox

*Screams as the thought sears his mind*

I live in the suburbs, and I put up an American flag on Independence Day. Michael Moore hunts, and is a member of the NRA.

I'm simply referring to a type of person that think's America is the greatest country in the world but doesn't know why.

They shouldn't have to know why. That's not their job.