a list of countries that the US army has been sent to from 1948 through 1999. compiled be the Federation of American Scientists

germany
korea
taiwan straights
egypt
lebanon
quemoy and matsu islands
congo
laos
vietnam, north and south
dominican republic
cuba
cambodia
somalia
ethiopia
zaire
iran
yemen
saudi arabia
poland
el salvador
niceragua
libya
sudan
chad
grenada
bangladesh
phillipines
haiti
sierra leonne
angola
liberia
rwanda
peru
equador
mexico
central african republic
uganda
albania
eritrea
guinnea-bissau
afghanistan
turkey
timor
venezuela
mozambique
bolivia
colombia
honduras
kurdistan
kuwait
iraq
israael
bosnia
croatia
hungary

So?

Now here's a list of countries US military has been sent to from 1948 - 1999, which were justified.

-germany
-taiwan straights (soooooort of)
-afghanistan (I'll say it was just about justified)

And I have been generous

Notice the difference?


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And just how many Bosnians being murdered does it take before Mr. Stone thinks it is justified to go there and stop it?

My, what a big bowl of sugar you are, just loaded with the milk of human kindness.

I guess once you are through stomping on your dick we won't have to worry about having to deal with your progeny.

I am curious what the list of places the British military has been sent to since 1948 would look like. Same with the French. Same with the Russians. Same with (fill in the name of the country).

I assume there is a point to this however, whatever it might be, eludes me.

Here's the edit: Outside of the 'Hanoi Hilton' please educate me on just where in North Vietnam the US Army was sent. Please do the same for Quemoy and Matsu, and Lybia, and Taiwan Straits, and Chad, and (my fingers are getting tired typing out the list of places). And while you are at it, I would really appreciate knowing which specific Army unit was involved (I really, really am waiting for the Taiwan Straits unit number).

Nox

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I support Milosevic.

You totally forgot Japan.

Going into a country should only be done from genuine wish for the bettering of the people of that country, or as revenge for an attack on the US, or when the US is declared war on. Many of the operations that the US has done are simply to protect american interests (korea, vietnam, bay of pigs).

Homer

Bosnia - US shouldn't have got involved. They cannot see it as it is. Once the Americans got involved the Muslims were named "the good guys" and the serbs "the bad guys" and suddenly all the murders perpetrated by the Muslims were erased from history. That was a civil war and by intervening you gave support to one side who was no more deserving than the other.

Take Panama for example. No Panamanians were persecuted as a result of Noriega - Panama represented zero threat to the US sovereignty. US did gain control of a very lucrative waterway though.

Sure it makes sense to invade a country for purely economic reasons - but it's not right. And how many in that list were perpetrated because the USA disagreed with the politics of the nation? All of the Latin American invlvements were designed to keep rightwing dictatorships in place or replace leftwing governments with rightwing dictatorships.

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Originally posted by ChuckStone:
Take Panama for example. No Panamanians were persecuted as a result of Noriega - Panama represented zero threat to the US sovereignty. US did gain control of a very lucrative waterway though.

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That is a hell of a set of glasses you see the world through, but tell me, do the swirling colors stop when you take them off?

We built the Panama Canal, we paid for it, without us the world would not have it to use, and you're welcome. Now lets see, who is running the Panama Canal right now? Oh yeah, Panama. Why? Because we gave it to them in accordance with the contract we signed to do just that. Unlike England who, through their colonial imperialism, stole Palestine from the Palestinians and gave it to the Jews and started the whole mess over there then bailed and said they wouldn't have anything to do anymore with their bastard screw-up. We all thank you for that one, and don't worry, we'll still clean up after you, and pull your ass out of the frying pan when you blunder into it again.

Now, Mr. Nox, technically with the bombing and covert ops we were in North Vietnam, that might be how they figure it. Don't know about Quemoy, Matsu, or the Taiwan Straits (except for the Navy on excercises). With Lybia, I do believe that was more of the bombing and covert ops back about 15 or 20 years ago, when they tried to whack Mohammar but got one of his wives and a couple of kids.

How? By actively supporting our "mess"? By arming and funding the Jews? Bollocks mate, you have done no good to anyone in the world but yourselves for nearly 50 years. If I was you I'd keep my massive gob shut about being an American and pretend to be Canadian. At least they did no harm to the world.

Global,

You are correct.

The poster (4ot) said the US Army. Last time I checked (today) the US had 5 branches of the military.

This is why I asked for the specific 'Army' units involved in those operations. Methinks 4ot meant, US military.

Edit: The "kid" we "whacked" was a child killed in the raid that Q 'adopted' after the child was dead. No 'wives' were in the tally.

Nox

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oops, Military.
and heres a more up to date list staight from the source. http://fas.org/man/dod-101/ops/index.html

I agree with the idea that the panama canal should be ours. The very presence of the canal gives panama a tourist base it would NEVER have had should the canal not be there. We built the canal. We paid for it. It was put there to help US.
Israel was bullshit in the beginning. However, not only England was involved in that fiasco, the U.S. had a heavy hand in it. England would have got on it's knees and barked like a dog after we won the war in europe for them, and it was a large political victory for our polititians due to the large percentage of jews in our country.

The U.S. needs to keep it's big nose out of the beehive if it intends to keep it's nose unstung. That is why we are getting hit with terrorists, because we would not let other soverign countries be soverign, we had to enact "regime change" several times.
The U.S. is not the police of the world, the U.N. is, and if we would let the other security guys in the U.N. speak occasionally, and let them have a hand in the millitary decisions of the world, then we would not BE the policemen of the world.

Homer

The Panama Canal is controlled by the Chinese.

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Originally posted by VeneFrigus:
The Panama Canal is controlled by the Chinese.

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What? let's see some evidence, I have never heard of this before.

Homer

I've heard it.

Nox

Re the statement about the UN being the policemen of the world:
All idealism aside, the way the world works (and this is very simple and obvious) is through pressure exerted either economically or militarily. Put any face you want on the UN, at heart it will never function except as a tool for its most powerful members. This is a fact, backed up by history.

Though the US pays no dues to the UN (a fact which might be reprehensible to some but is understandable considering the other ways the US pays for its membership), it has massive involvement in policy formation and execution of the same.

The US is the world policeman, because when it comes to military spending the US spends more than the next fifteen countries combined.

The US does not put troops into harm's way without thinking about it. If anything, we think too much about it. We squabble over human rights and international law when the former is pure semantics and the latter nonexistent.

There will never be a global society. Get used to it. Some of you already have, and that's fine. You're closer to understanding why it is the US government actys the way it does.

Hate America all you want, it changes nothing in this country. We will intervene in other states when the need arises, and what you call harm I call help. Very simply put, there are two different kinds of situation:

1) Those international situations that do not affect the US
2) Those situations that do affect the US

For number two, be prepared to see US intervention, "moralilty" cast to the wind and power exercised. If Tutsis want to hack Hutus to death with machetes, may the best man win. But let's not be coy about it: the US is out for number one. And so are we all, without exception.

US is not a "policeman". A policeman is appointed by the state to maintian it's laws. Now I can't remember the UN saying "America, you have the most WMDs and most aggressive Presidency... you do our job please." but then that's becasue it never happened. The US don't have special helmets so they can stand on them to see on walls or have them knocked off at Christmas by children with snowballs. The US is however the "vigilante" of the world.

Here's the thing with vigilantes - they are almost always wrong, uncontrollable and NEVER work within the law. Also, they are as pointed out by Vox, out for number one. I refer you to the paedophile mobs, all of which are mothers, fathers etc. of young children. And I agree paedophiles are bad, but the legal system works and if the judge says they can go home, then far be it for some regular joe with ZERO knowledge of the legal system and the background of the people involved to overrule that decision.

If the UN says that a war against Iraq is a not the answer, then as the mopst qualified decision makers in the world, that decision goes. George Bush is an average George (IQ of 93), and has little credentials to make a decision on the behalf of the Iraqi people as he claims he is doing AGAINST the decision o the UN. And that goes for everyone of that list.

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"The poster (4ot) said the US Army. Last time I checked (today) the US had 5 branches of the military.

This is why I asked for the specific 'Army' units involved in those operations. Methinks 4ot meant, US military."

Are you so dumb not to realise what he is talking about? You pedantic git. I fucking hate pedantry. What, do you run a comic shop or something Nox? And just as I was starting to have some respect for yo, you do something like this... shame on you Noxy.

(ooooh... hissssssssss)

Chuck

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Originally posted by 4ot:
a list of countries that the US army has been sent to from 1948 through 1999. compiled be the Federation of American Scientists

germany
korea
taiwan straights
egypt
lebanon
quemoy and matsu islands
congo
laos
vietnam, north and south
dominican republic
cuba
cambodia
somalia
ethiopia
zaire
iran
yemen
saudi arabia
poland
el salvador
niceragua
libya
sudan
chad
grenada
bangladesh
phillipines
haiti
sierra leonne
angola
liberia
rwanda
peru
equador
mexico
central african republic
uganda
albania
eritrea
guinnea-bissau
afghanistan
turkey
timor
venezuela
mozambique
bolivia
colombia
honduras
kurdistan
kuwait
iraq
israael
bosnia
croatia
hungary

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Now, what's the problem here? I see this person just forgot to say how many of these countries we are either allied with and have troops there by treaty, or through a joint military exercise, countries who asked for our assistance, American citizens that needed evacuation, our embassies needed to be secured. Only a few here were the result of deserving an ass kicking, from having one of the biggest drug czars next to Pablo Escobar, Invaded a country that asked for our aid, took citizens hostage, or harbored the world's most wanted fugitive.

check the link i give further down, it gives the official reasons for all of them.

Were you just providing this for an educational purpose, or something else?

Before you try and advocate this amount of warfare because they "one of the biggest drug czars next to Pablo Escobar" - Columbia still does okay, and there were several less expensive and more humanitarian ways of dealing with the problemo, like buy the drugs and use it for morphine, and stop it getting into the hands of the dealers, or buy simply assasinating the czar.

And where is OBL now? You have NOO idea, and if it wasn't for the invasion of Afganistan, odds are that that is where he would be.

everything would be simpler if Airplanes never got to The usa. 9\11 would not have happened and ur bastard army would still remain in your borders,
* walks away gigling...

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Originally posted by Joe Boo:
Were you just providing this for an educational purpose, or something else?

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educational. i suppose

If you want to get rid of the flies, drain the swamp

These are the swamp countries
germany
korea
taiwan straights
egypt
lebanon
quemoy and matsu islands
congo
laos
vietnam, north and south
dominican republic
cuba
cambodia
somalia
ethiopia
zaire
iran
yemen
saudi arabia
poland
el salvador
niceragua
libya
sudan
chad
grenada
bangladesh
phillipines
haiti
sierra leonne
angola
liberia
rwanda
peru
equador
mexico
central african republic
uganda
albania
eritrea
guinnea-bissau
afghanistan
turkey
timor
venezuela
mozambique
bolivia
colombia
honduras
kurdistan
kuwait
iraq
israael
bosnia
croatia
hungary

And the flies are the terrorists.