Does anyone else think that the next world war will be the US and israel against the free nations of the world?

Homer

The way most people are behaving is very much like the old appeasement from WW2. A bunch of Fascists invading countries so they can impose their will upon the nation, and every body justs stands by and lets it happen.

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LOL. Thats funny as hell! Which "free nations" are you specifically reffering to?

I no longer consider the US a free nation, and little will consider it so when and if this hypothetical situation comes to be.
As I see it though, most other nations seem to be gaining, rather than losing, their freedom. So, any number of nations could be my "free nations."

Homer

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Most nations which could be considered "free nations" openly support the US. The others would not be prepared to go to war against them.

Noooooooox.

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Originally posted by ChuckStone:
The way most people are behaving is very much like the old appeasement from WW2. A bunch of Fascists invading countries so they can impose their will upon the nation, and every body justs stands by and lets it happen.

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Yes I agree, the US is being germany in WW2 , when France gave up the Rihneland it was the first step of appeasement, this 1st step today will be Iraq, and then a few months or years later it would progress into WW3.

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Originally posted by Blue-Rock:
when France gave up the Rihneland it was the first step of appeasement

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Nox needs an education on this one.

The war reparations were not up to the quotas prescribed by Versailles (specifically timber). The French moved into the Rhineland to insure payment. However, the French had demilitarized to the point that when the Germans moved into the "demilitarized" Rhineland, the French withdrew.

Your point about the Rhineland fiasco being the first step in 'appeasement' of Hitler is true, but I fail to see the analogy with the US and Iraq.

Nox

yea I don't understand it either, i withdraw that comment...

The US is involved in a World War today! The War on Terror is global.

Radical Islam started WWIII, not the US.

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Originally posted by buttthrax:
The US is involved in a World War today! The War on Terror is global.

Radical Islam started WWIII, not the US.

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bullshit.
The US started this when we had the balls to move a bunch of jews onto palestinian land.

homer

Speaking of that, seems like the middle east is a bane to the usa and the rest of the world.

Any one have any ideas on how to steal a couple of nukes and detonating them in the middle east so they will be unable to fight any more?

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Originally posted by HomerJay603:
bullshit.
The US started this when we had the balls to move a bunch of jews onto palestinian land.

homer

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the US didnt do that...

Homer, you must be stoned or something.

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Originally posted by HomerJay603:
Does anyone else think that the next world war will be the US and israel against the free nations of the world?

Homer

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Again, like many others, I am going to ask you for the definition of the word "free". You claim that the U.S. is not a free nation, yet you claim that we will be fighting a war against "free" nations. This would imply that citizens of these nations enjoy a higher degree of liberty than citizens of the United States. The only nations I can think of that meet that requirement are in Western Europe. Canada and Japan may also meet this requirement. These nations will never break an alliance with us. The only nations I can see fighting the U.S. are Iraq (well, any middle eastern or north african country for that matter), China, North Korea, and possibly India if we let Pakistan take Kashmir. None of these nations enjoy a higher level of liberty than the U.S., so stop bitching or put a fucking turban on and go to the Iran or something!!!

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The US is involved in a World War today! The War on Terror is global.
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bullshit.
The US started this when we had the balls to move a bunch of jews onto palestinian land.
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First of all, that was the U.N. that did that. And second of all, Britian controlled Palestine at the time. When they decided to withdraw from Palestine they partitioned the territory into a Jewish part and a Arab part, based on whatever party had a greater population in the given area. The Arabs refused to recognize this so they decided to bitch about not having any land for the next 50 years. At least part of the blame can be put on the Palestinian leadership for this, if you disagree you should kill yourself so the rest of us rational people don't have to deal with people like you imposing your views on us.

I am too tired to complain about you anymore.

JOHN POINDEXTER IS THE ENEMY!!!
NOX IS THE ENEMY!!!
HOMERJAY603 IS THE EMEMY!!!


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[QUOTE]Originally posted by jsaxton14:
[B]Homer, you must be stoned or something.

I think it's you that is stoned.

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First of all, that was the U.N. that did that. And second of all, Britian controlled Palestine at the time. When they decided to withdraw from Palestine they partitioned the territory into a Jewish part and a Arab part, based on whatever party had a greater population in the given area. The Arabs refused to recognize this so they decided to bitch about not having any land for the next 50 years. At least part of the blame can be put on the Palestinian leadership for this, if you disagree you should kill yourself so the rest of us rational people don't have to deal with people like you imposing your views on us.
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You must be stupid because the US basically allowed Israel to survive, without US help, financially, militarily and any other way you can imagine, the arabs would have wiped out Israel (for the best of the world).

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Speaking of that, seems like the middle east is a bane to the usa and the rest of the world.
Any one have any ideas on how to steal a couple of nukes and detonating them in the middle east so they will be unable to fight any more?
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Nuking anyone is stupid and no one would give you nukes anyway so that will never happen.

To clarify:
I do not speek in terms of world politics today.
My scenario is a plausable prediction of things to come.
These events may not manifest themselves for some time, maybe never.
However, I suspect that events will occor something like this:
-The US will pass several more laws like the HSA
-The US will expand it's polocies of sticking it's nose into places where it has no right
-The Us will take unilateral control over the UN
-Under the guise of security, the Us will begin to destroy anti-american media (books, data files, etc), eventually spreading this all over the world
-The free nations of the world will see massive anti-american protests
-one of these protests will end violently at american hands
-the offended nation will sat up a NATO of sorts against the US
-the new US, infuriated at this action will declare war
-the US will hopefully lose

You can chose to believe or to discount my theories.

Homer

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First of all, that was the U.N. that did that. And second of all, Britian controlled Palestine at the time. When they decided to withdraw from Palestine they partitioned the territory into a Jewish part and a Arab part, based on whatever party had a greater population in the given area. The Arabs refused to recognize this so they decided to bitch about not having any land for the next 50 years. At least part of the blame can be put on the Palestinian leadership for this, if you disagree you should kill yourself so the rest of us rational people don't have to deal with people like you imposing your views on us.
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You must be stupid because the US basically allowed Israel to survive, without US help, financially, militarily and any other way you can imagine, the arabs would have wiped out Israel (for the best of the world).

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I never said that the U.S. did not form an alliance with Israel, I just said that any attempt at giving the Jews land in the Middle East has been shot down by the Arabs. I agree that Israel probably would have been wiped out if it weren't for the U.S. There several other countries that we have done the same for, why should we treat Israel differently? other than the fact that you appear to despise them.

JOHN POINDEXTER IS THE EMEMY!!!
NOX IS THE EMEMY!!!

(Q)"The US started this when we had the balls to move a bunch of jews onto palestinian land" - HomerJay603

Actually that land was not Palestinian land, it was part of the British Empire, also referred to as the British Mandate of Palestine granted to Britain by the League of Nations decades earlier. In the previous decades the British had made contradictory promises to the Jews and Arabs in "Palestine", promising the Jews a homeland, while promising the Arabs the maintenance of the status quo. However, in the time after World War II, there was fighting between Jews and Arabs in that area. The British tried to intervene between the two sides but were unsuccesful and for their trouble were attacked by both sides. The British decided to give up and transferred the matter over to the UN, which set up a plan for a small Jewish state and another Palestinian state. The Arabs feeling they were in a stronger position decided to crush the Jews but miserably failed, the result being a much larger Jewish state then previously planned and no Palestinian state. The rest is history.

The claim that the United STates is not a free nation is ludicrous. Just look at yourself Homer, you can basically say anything you want with no fear of prosecution or punishment.

As for the United States losing a possible world war III to the so called "free nations", I just have to laugh. The United States has an overwhelming superiority in both conventional weapons and nuclear weapons. Perhaps you've heard of the Ohio class nuclear missile submarine, 26 ICBM's each containing 9 independantly targetable warheads.

I think you should look at the world far more carefully or your states will continue to be laughed at.

HSA?

Is that High School Assesment or something?

fucking hell. WWIII.

someone bragging about nuclear subs and ICBMs.
someone wondering who the 'free' nations will be.

HEY, IT WON'T MATTER WHO IS FIGHTING WHO FOR WHAT! AMERICA WILL NEVER RELEASE HER NEW POSITION AS SINGULAR WORLD SUPERPOWER. ANY NUCLEAR ATTACK INVOLVING AMERICA EQUALS TOTAL WORLD DESTRUCTION.

it makes less than no difference who is fighting who for what reasons if worldwide nuclear deployment is involved. will your charred ashes be 'happy' believing you were on the 'right' side?

this is not an issue you can look at objectively. you can't puzzle around it and deny that it has any direct impact on your life. WWIII = your death, the death of your family, and the death of your nation, plain and simple.

knowing that, there are ONLY TWO THINGS LEFT FIGHTING FOR: PERSONAL FREEDOM AND PREVENTION OF WAR.

anything else leads to endgame.

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You must be stupid because the US basically allowed Israel to survive, without US help, financially, militarily and any other way you can imagine, the arabs would have wiped out Israel (for the best of the world).

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No, you must be stupid. Please inform this board of the following:
- When, ever, did the US deploy troops to assist Israel?
- When did the US manufacture Mirage jets, Ouragans, Centurion tanks, Merkava tanks, Galils, etc ad nauseum, therefore earning the right to claim to be Israels sole support?
- Which army belonging to a nation of over forty million people ran so fast from the part time army of a nation of 4 million souls that they felt obliged to abandon all of their equipment, including their boots? ( Clue - it wasn't Israel)
- Which group of nations have proved to be so incompetent at fighting a modern war that even the Soviets despaired of them ever being able to fight to a standstill, never mind win ( Another clue - still not Israel)

- Which nation in the middle east is a functioning democracy, builds its own supersonic aircraft, tanks and warships, has a nuclear arsenal which includes submarine launched warheads, has a space program, has turned deserts into gardens and has never lost a war, even though it has only once had allies (1956 - UK and France) ( Clue - not an Arab nation)

Get off of this pro Arab kick - even the Arabs are not that keen on their record in the last century, and if people read articles in publications that do not rely on pictures and little bubbles with words in them, the level of debate here would increase no end - Try reading The Economist for a start.

The WW2 analogy stands because the world is appeasing the US's conquest of Afghanistan and Iraq. Where will it end. Latin America? Africa? The world?

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You aren't perchance talking about the same Afghanistan that was once part of the British Empire are you? Let me see, what was the word in vogue then? I wonder if the US will include Afghanistan to its "Empire" like it did Kuwait?

Nox

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The WW2 analogy stands because the world is appeasing the US's conquest of Afghanistan and Iraq. Where will it end. Latin America? Africa? The world?

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No, the WW2 analogy is totally and utterly stupid. Let's drop it right now. I dislike our actions on the international stage, too. But it's called "intellectual honesty." Look into it.

This war is not being fought by "a bunch of fascists." It is being waged by the American people, through their elected representatives. Witness the last election day - had the American public wanted to avoid this war, they could have loaded the congress with Democrats and made it clear that they wanted a debate on this issue. They did not. Any attempts to paint the war against Iraq as a power grab by a select few is simply not accurate. The blood will be on the heads of the voters.

And while I certainly don't think that the principles of our Republic are adhered to properly, calling any of America's prospective opponents - China, Iraq, Iran, North Korea, Sudan, etc. - "free nations" is almost too laughable to dignify with a response. But then, here I am.

The War on Terror, while misguided, was in fact started by Islamic fundamentalists. It has been unwise to incur the wrath of such lunatics by supporting Israel and blockading Iraq, but let's remember, it was the politicians and generals who made those decisions. How many of them died on September 11th?

And why the United States would even bother to "take unilateral control over the UN" is beyond me. The UN is totally irrelevant in the world of modern geopolitics. It's just a place where old men play at running the world by voting on decisions that have already been decided. If the UN just disappeared tommorrow, there wouldn't be much of a difference.

I'd go on, but I grow weary of this turkey-shoot. Suffice to say, HomerJay, you are wrong. As Nox is rather fond of saying, engage brain before keyboard. Or something to that effect.

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It did not deploy troops "officially" but the USA helped Israel by huge fundings and giving them latest technology (satelite information) and assisted them in many ways
and gave them many weapons they used against arabs as you have mentioned:
US manufacture Mirage jets, Ouragans, Centurion tanks, Merkava tanks, Galils, etc ad nauseum.

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- Which army belonging to a nation of over forty million people ran so fast from the part time army of a nation of 4 million souls that they felt obliged to abandon all of their equipment, including their boots? ( Clue - it wasn't Israel)
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Egypt, but they had no US support, NO US aid in any area, unlike the israeli 'souls'( if you can call them that) And not the whole 40 million fought.

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Arabs, ofcourse with their half hearted leaders going into battle they will never win. But the activists in palestine are giving Israel a hard time aren't they? Because they have no Puppet leadership that will have to think about how it will damage their relations with the USA when the hour of battle comes.

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- Which nation in the middle east is a functioning democracy, builds its own supersonic aircraft, tanks and warships, has a nuclear arsenal which includes submarine launched warheads, has a space program, has turned deserts into gardens and has never lost a war, even though it has only once had allies (1956 - UK and France),
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If you are referring to turkey , you must be very gullable, they aren't a democracy, in a democracy the military doesn't just overthrow fairly elected parties.

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Get off of this pro Arab kick - even the Arabs are not that keen on their record in the last century, and if people read articles in publications that do not rely on pictures and little bubbles with words in them, the level of debate here would increase no end - Try reading The Economist for a start.
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Why don't you go see what is happening to the palestinians and then maybe you'll shut up. I dont rely on pictures I rely on proven facts.

Blimey, I cant believe that this is still ongoing, apparently without getting to a point.. The relative insignificance of the $10 billion in terms of the Israeli economy was neatly dealt with in a reasoned post.

The answer that other donations are in play seemed just a little bit contrived and desperate. If I recall correctly, Marks and Spencers, who were listed as donors to Israel, is owned by the Al Fahad's (Spelling) the late Princess of Wales' boyfriends family. Funny, they dont strike me as being overly Jewish?

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Now you have just proved how Israel gets their money- aid from companies around the world, let me mention a few: Coca cola, Mcdonalds, Johnson n Johnson , Marks and spencer etc...

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How did he prove this? You bent over and produced that one yourself.

Goddamn it Blue-Rock, your evasiveness amazes even me. I stated quite clearly how Israel could rustle up plenty of money from its CIVILIAN POPULATION without significantly impacting their spending power. You responded with a bunch of bullshit about funding from various corporations. What the hell does that have to do with anything? If you cannot say something intelligent, I'd advise you to keep your mouth shut.

Al Fayed owns Harrods. Marks & Spencer is a plc. Blue-Rock is still talking bullshit.

IVE JUS READ ALL UR MSGS ABOUT THIS! IM FROM ENGLAND AND I SUPPOSE WE FIT IN 2 THOOSE "FREE NATIONS" CAN I JUS STATE THERE IS NO "FREE NATIONS" IN THE WORLD WE R ALL RUN BY MAJORITARIAN VOTING SYSTEMS CREATING A STOP POINT IN POLTICS! THE GOVERMENTS OF THE WORLD R RUN BY EITHER DICTATORS (IRAQ, N.KOREA, CHINA, ZIMBABWA) SUPPOSEDLY DEMOCRATICLY ELECTED GOVERMENT(BRITIAN, USA ETC U EVER NOTICED THERE ALL RICH BUSINESSMEN WHO REPRESENT UNFAIR PERCENTAGES OF THE POPULATIONS AND ONLY BECOME POLITICIANS 2 BECOME RICHER!!!) OR SMALL SEMI-DICTORAL STATES PROPED UP ONLY BY THE LEGITIMISATION OF THE US GOVERMENT (FOUND IN SOUTH AMERICA, AFRICA, AND THE MIDDLE EAST). THE POLITICS OF THE WORLD HAVE BEEN STAGGNATED SINCE THE BEGINING OF THIS CENTUARY! WE HAVE ONLY SEEN THE RISE OF FUNDAMENTALISM (RELIGOUS NATIONALISM/FASCHISM) AND COMMUNISM/S0CIALISM GAINING POWER! THIS IS BECAUSE THE PEOPLE IN POWER ARE NOT WILLING FOR ANYTHING 2 CHANGE AND WHO BLAMES THEM DEMOCRATIC LEADERS CAN RULE AS DICTATORS IF THEY CAN KEEP THE SUPPORT OF THEIR PEERS AND FINANCIAL BACKING(CORPORATIONS)AS LONG AS THEY CAN TAKE A BIT OF STICK ITS ALL GOOD 4 THEM!tHE SYSTEMS ARNT DEMOCRATIC YES WE ELECT PEOPLE WHO OF COS STAND 4 NOTHIN WE DO BUT WE DNT VOTE 4 REPRESENTATIVES BUT 4 PARTYS WHO IN TURN SELECT THE PEOPLE TO RULE AND THE PEOPLE TO GAIN POWER AND THOOSE TO BE DISMISSED FROM POWER! IS THIS A FREE WORLD? IM NOT CLAIMING WE DONT HAVE FREEDOM BUT ESPICALLY IN THIS COUNTRY FREEDOMS ARE UNDERWRITTEN SO THAT ALL OF THEM ARE ONLY FREEDOMS TO A SENSE! (FREEDOM OF SPEECH YET U CAN STILL BE ARRESTED FOR INSIGHING VIOLENCE, TREASON AND PUBLIC DISTURBANCE JUST 2 NAME A FEW UNDER 1)
MY NEXT POINT IS IN2 WHO STARTED THIS WAR FUNDAMENTALISTS OR AMERICA! WELL LETS LOOK AT THE MAN REALLY IN QUESTION HERE OSLAMA, DOES ANY1 ON THIS PAGE ACTUALLY NO WHERE HE COMES FROM WELL OBVIOUSLY NOT (UR CORPORATE MEDIA HAS MADE U 2 FUCKIN PATRIOTIC)! HE IS A FREEDOM FIGHTER FOR THE MUSLIM WORLD! wHERE DID HE GET THIS IDEA FROM? THE US! WHY? BECAUSE THEY WANTED HIM 2 KNOCK OUT THE SOVIETS! WHY DID HE? BECAUSE THE AMERICANS PROMISED THEM SUPPORT AFTER THEIR JOB HAD BEEN DONE TO HELP THE ARAB NATIONS A KIND OF TRADE OFF (THIS IS ALL WELL AND GOOD)! UNTIL IT WAS AMERICAS TURN 2 DEAL WITH THEIR SIDE OF THE AGREEMENT (AND THIS HAS HAPPENED TIME AND TIME AGAIN) IT WAS DENIED AND THEY WERE BRANDED TERRRORISTS YET ONLY 2YRS B4 THEY WERE CELEBRATED AS FIGHTERS 4 DEMOCRACY! AMERICA HAS DONE THIS TO MANY OF ITS ALLIES USED THEM 2 DESTROY ITS ENEMY AND THEN TURN ON THEM (WATCH THE NORTHERN ALLIANCE AND PAKISTAN HAVE THERE TURNS SOON, KASHMIR ISNT GOING 2 PAKISTAN BY THE WAY). ONE QUICK POINT 2 THE NUT B4 THAT SAID COCA COLA FINANCES ISREAL IS HARD TO BELIEVE CONSIDORING 90% OF FIZZY DRINKS A COPYRIGHTED 2 OSLAMA HIMSELF SO DNT GIVE OUT THAT BULLSHIT!
FINALY I WANT 2 TAKE THE POINT OF THE USA BEING SIMILAR 2 GERMANY DURING WW2! THE US IS PROBABLY THE MOST PATRIOTIC COUNTRY IN THE WORLD, AND ITS ECONOMY IS STRONGLY MOTIVATED BY PROFIT NOT THE CITIZENS NEEDS(STRICT CAPITALISM). THESE ARE THE 2 FUNADMENT IDEAS BEHIND FASCHISM AND THERE ARNT MANY MORE BESIDE THOOSE. AS AN OUTSIDER IT IS SO OBVIOUS THAT STEP BY STEP THE US IS BUILDING ITS SELF AN EMPIRE GREATER THAN THE BRITISH 1! THIS IS NOT JUST MY VIEW BUT A LARGE MAJORITYS VIEW. THEY CONTROL BOTH OF THE 2 POWERFULLEST ORGANISTATIONS IN THE WORLD THE UN AND NATO (UNLIKE THE PERSON BEFORE THE UN IS A POWERFULL FORCE IT COULD PUT AN ARMY 2GETHER OF MILLIONS OF SOLDIERS WITHOUT THE US). OK I WILL ADMIT IN THE UN THEY DNT HAVE FULL CONTROL BECAUSE OF CHINA BUT 1 NATION ALLOWEN CANT FIGHT AMERICA AND HER ADDITIONAL STATES (BRITIAN INCLUDED). AS WAS POINTED OUT B4 THE US HAS EASILY THE BIGGEST STOCKPILES OF BOTH WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION(BIO, CHEMICAL AND NUCLEAR EXCLUDIN NEW WEAPON THEROYS WHICH WOULD QUICKY DEVELOP IN A TIME OF WAR E.G. NAPALM VIETNAM.) THE TROUBLE IS IS THE US GOING 2 B ABLE 2 HAVE ENOUGH WEAPONS AND SUPPORT 2 RULE THE WORLD? THEY ALREADY CONTROL THE WORLD ECONOMY SINCE THE 1920'S AND USE THIS TO RAISE AND FALL GOVERMENTS WITHOUT FIGHTING THIS ONLY FAILS WHEN THE COUNTRY WILL HAVE WIDESPREAD SUPPORT ONLY REALLY FOUND IN THE CONTAINMENT WARS (CONTAIMENT OF COMNUISM)WERE NORTH KOREA, NORTH VIETNAM, CUBA AND CHINA BUT ALSO JAPAN, IRAQ, IRAN. WERE ABLE TO SURVIVE US EMBARGOS CAUSING WAR IN ALL CASES (CHINA THE US HEAVILY SUPPORTED THE NATIONALISTS SUPPLYING LARGE SUMS OF MONEY, WEAPONS, SUPPORT, AND IN VERY FEW NUMBERS TROOPS.) WELL I THINK IVE GIVEN U ENOUGH 2 TALK ABOUT NOW!

Why the fuck are you shouting?

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Cannada.

I know I should be more tolerant, but CAP abuse and bad formatting just piss the hell out of me and it makes it a nightmare to read.

Hello? Blue Rock? Cat got your tongue?

God I can't wait for Nox to rip that caps locker a new one.

I wouldn't be suprised if he was allready banned. LOL.

That's Nox - fastest gun on the boards, proverbially speaking. Or, hell, maybe literally, I never met the guy.

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That's Nox - fastest gun on the boards, proverbially speaking. Or, hell, maybe literally, I never met the guy.

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I make no excuses. I had a personal matter that took some time. Our shouter appears to be a 'one post wonder'. I could not understand most of his tripe so I ignored it. This was his 'freebe'.

Nox

So he used his: "Avoid the wrath of Nox for free card."

Yes.

Nox

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Originally posted by HomerJay603:
bullshit.
The US started this when we had the balls to move a bunch of jews onto palestinian land.

homer

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This proves that you have a fourth grade education. Jews, Muslims, and Christians all once claimed this land around Jerusalem. Christains had the smarts to get out. The Jews drifted towards Israel thousands of years ago afrter the Exodus from Egypt. The Muslims claimed the land last since Muhammad came around, long after the Jews moved in and long after Jesus lived and died for Christians. Religion blinds people to what is really going on-- death, destruction, and what will prove to be the longest war of attrition ever; that is when there are 2 muslims and 1 Jew left. The 2 muslims would probably strap bombs to themselves and, together, blow up that one Jew. I don't want to see that happen, but that is the way it is going.

all i got to say is the day we go to War with the Israilies then tuck your head and kiss your &*^%$@### good bye
they ARE gods choosen people !

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This proves that you have a fourth grade education. Jews, Muslims, and Christians all once claimed this land around Jerusalem. Christains had the smarts to get out. The Jews drifted towards Israel thousands of years ago afrter the Exodus from Egypt. The Muslims claimed the land last since Muhammad came around, long after the Jews moved in and long after Jesus lived and died for Christians. Religion blinds people to what is really going on-- death, destruction, and what will prove to be the longest war of attrition ever; that is when there are 2 muslims and 1 Jew left. The 2 muslims would probably strap bombs to themselves and, together, blow up that one Jew. I don't want to see that happen, but that is the way it is going.

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LOL
Christians got the hell out of there cause they got beaten by the muslims who liberated palestine.
the war in israel is not muslims vs jews its more like muslims vs zionists.

And whoever sed i made up those companies i didnt they all support israel. i gotta find u som proof but i watched it on bbc when these companies said they are giving money to israel.

P***ofi wasnt abusing capslock thats jus cos by the time i realised it was on it was when i was half way thru that i realised n it was 2 long 2 re-rite. i laugh at u lot anyway u have trouble formulating a serious argument. u argue ova small little things like who developed the weapons rather than who pays for them! and a nice question 2 leave u all as u recon u no all thats rite and wrong. Who orginaly kicked the weapons investigators out of Iraq? and why?

You'd formulate a coherent argument much more easily if you looked at the screen when you typed.

Sadly, since we are not equipped with a direct telepathic line to your brain, we are totally reliant on your words to understand your thoughts. When your thoughts are expressed in capitalised, abbreviated and vitually incomprehensible prose it makes it impossible to understand for all but the most persistent. Therefore, we comment on the presentation of your argument rather than its constituent points.

Umm...this may seem stupid, but wasn't it Iraq who stopped the weapons inspectors by making it impossible to carry out their duties? Is that rite wrong?

FOAD,

Good post, good points.

Nox

Blue-Rock, nobody's claiming you made those companies up. The problem is that I very clearly, and with hard numbers, illustrated why you are unbelievably full of shit, and your response to this was to go off on a tangent about something totally unrelated. Also, you are a dumbass.

Armed and angry im not going to insult you as insulting people is only dont by people who know they are losing the argument.

The matter of the fact is a small nation will not be able to sustain it's economy through wars with much larger nations that have oil and money to buy arms, if it was arabs vs israel arabs will win, but we know this won't happen coz they US will help israel in case of an arab attack.

My point was that israel is not as you say an independent country, it recieves a lot of aid from governments and companies around the world.

And my point is that I have JUST SHOWN YOU, in exact terms, how the Israelis could quite easily rustle up that cash right at home. I've given numbers, you've given vague and baseless criticisms. How about you use some hard facts, or at the very least, adress my argument before you go talking about Coca Cola? Until you do that, you remain a dumbass. "Sign of someone losing the argument?" You're the one talking out of his ass, hombre.

It makes the US subsidising Israel even harder to justify, doesn't it?

No, not really, it just proves what Israel is capable of if it was really desperate.

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The matter of the fact is a small nation will not be able to sustain it's economy through wars with much larger nations that have oil and money to buy arms, if it was arabs vs israel arabs will win, but we know this won't happen coz they US will help israel in case of an arab attack.

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History has proven the Israel can win if it get ganged up on. Also, what makes you think Isreal will not attack the oil field, or pipe lines, or refiners, or anything of that nature in order to help starve their opponents. Israel's economy is, relatively, more diversified that its opponents. This is like the Allies bombing Hitlers ball bearing factories in WWII, something that is that integral to their success will be one of the first things destroyed.

NukeChild has a point about the oil. The arabs have almost nothing else going for them. A spirited Israeli campaign against the big facilities would raise some serious hell with the arab economies.

You could never actually argue what will happen at wars, there could be upsets and surprises, so this argumet is going down the drain.

We are arguing about how something might turn out or what a result of a war will be, it is in the future and i do not trust predictions, whether you gave me hard numbers and facts or not, look bak at history-the US vs Veitnam, the Hardfacts and numbers didn't prove very useful then did they?

So any war could go to anyone, Soccer matches cannot be predicted properly, what we are doing here is much larger , so whatever i say or you say might turn out BS in the end.

Any one who tries to predict how this war will tun out after what i have said must be a dumbass.

In Vietnam, the US was hamstrung and prevent from fighting an effective war. We were prevented from bombing certain areas, obviously the enemy hid there.

Actually, most of the American State Department predicted well before the beginning of the conflict in Vietnam that our involvement would accomplish nothing and ultimately stir up a lot of hatred against us.

Pretty good prediction, eh?