The following is an extract from the greenpeace StopEsso website.
http://www.stopesso.com/why.php

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Why to stop Esso

It is the power behind Bush's throne
Esso gave $1.376 million to the Republicans in the 2000 election cycle - more than any other oil company. 91% of its political donations went to the Republicans. As soon as George Bush became president, he pulled the United States out of the Kyoto Protocol, the only international agreement to address global warming � exactly the policy that Esso was promoting. As the USA is responsible for 25% of the pollution that causes global warming, this has a massive effect on the efficacy of the protocol.

It has been the most active company undermining Kyoto and has supported corporate lobbying organisations to do the same.
Esso uses its wealth and power to stop any international action on climate change. Esso ran an advertising campaign in the US press condemning the Kyoto Protocol and lobbied Bush to pull out. Esso also funds multi-million dollar propaganda fronts to dismiss the case for action to protect the climate. It frequently exploits selective, outdated or incorrect scientific studies in order to back up its position. Using tactics perfected by tobacco companies, these campaigns confuse the public and policy makers about global warming and sap the political will to address it.

Recent Public Statements
Two days before President Bush's inauguration, Esso published an Op Ed in the US press outlining its recommendations for "An Energy Policy for the New Administration" stating that "the unrealistic and economically damaging Kyoto process needs to be rethought."Another recent advertisement declared that "the Kyoto Protocol approach would be a serious mistake."


Global Climate Coalition (GCC)
For years, Esso supported the GCC, the industry front-group that took a lead role in undermining initiatives to solve global warming (its website proclaims "Good Riddance Kyoto."). BP left the GCC in 1997 when it finally admitted that climate change required action. Large-scale defection of companies such as Ford, Texaco and General Motors occurred in 1999-2000. Esso only left when the GCC decided that only trade associations would be suitable for membership, and ended its corporate programme. In 2002 the GCC "deactivated", claiming it "has served its purpose by contributing to a new national approach to global warming." In other words, with the US out of Kyoto the GCC had no need to continue its fossil fuel funded lobbying.


American Petroleum Institute (API)
Esso is a financial supporter and sits on the board of the API. Lee Raymond - chief executive of Esso - was the chair from 1995 to 1997. In 1998, Esso helped plan a $7million API public relations offensive to undermine scientific consensus on the threat of climate change. The plan stated that "victory will be achieved when those promoting the Kyoto treaty on the basis of extant science appear to be out of touch with reality." Among other tactics, API planned to recruit and train "independent scientists" without any track record of participation in the climate debate to undertake media work against established climate science and the Kyoto Protocol.


US Council for International Business (USCIB)
Esso is a member of USCIB, a corporate lobby group that actively supports the Bush Administration's rejection of the Kyoto Protocol. The USCIB wrote to Bush on 11 April 2001, suggesting that "the US should move quickly to chart a path forward that will avoid the Kyoto Protocol's unrealistic targets, timetables and lack of developing country participation."

Esso doesn't care about climate change and refuses to accept the link between its business and global warming.
The world is heating up. The UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, made up of the world's top scientists, recently confirmed that fossil fuels such as oil are causing global warming. They predict that increasingly extreme weather will put millions of people's lives at risk. Over one hundred and sixty governments agree. Esso still claims that: "scientifically unfounded scare scenarios were and continue to be promoted in an effort to justify the (Kyoto) Protocol".

Lee Raymond, chief executive of Esso, has said: "We do not now have sufficient scientific understanding of climate change to make reasonable predictions and/or justify drastic measures� Some reports in the media link climate change to extreme weather and harm to human health. Yet experts see no such pattern."

However, the IPCC predicts that:
We will experience more heat waves and floods; in Europe river flooding will increase over much of the continent. Glaciers and polar ice will continue melting, with a chance that we may lose the Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets completely. This could add around six metres to global sea level. The greatest impacts will be on the world's poorest people in parts of Africa and Asia - those least able to protect themselves from rising sea levels and increased drought and disease.

UN and UK government scientists predict that by 2080, 94 million people around the world will be at risk from flooding every year as a result of global warming. 290 million additional people will also be at risk from malaria. By 2025, increasing drought will mean that five billion � or two out of three people � will lack sufficient water and millions more will starve.

Esso has a history of misleading the public and its investors by using selective, outdated or incorrect scientific studies.
A scientist who authored the report on temperature data for the Sargasso Sea, which is used by Exxon to refute the claim that global warming worldwide was happening, has said "I think the sad thing is ExxonMobil is exploiting the data for political purposes."

Lee Raymond, Esso's CEO, has made his case elsewhere by citing a petition signed by "17,000 scientists" dismissing global warming. The petition had already been discredited, after it was found not to have been organised by climate scientists and to have misled recipients into thinking it came from America's respected National Academy of Sciences, which it did not. Signatories included fictional TV characters.

Esso doesn't believe renewable energy has a future.
"With no readily available economic alternatives on the horizon, fossil fuels will continue to supply most of the world's energy needs for the foreseeable future."
Lee Raymond - ExxonMobil CEO, 1997

Four years on, Denmark gets 10% of its electricity from wind power, set to increase to 50% by 2030. Yet Esso continues to dismiss the potential of renewable energy, suggesting that "non-petroleum sources of energy" are merely "fashionable".

The company refuses to invest in any renewable energy projects, in contrast to BP and Shell, who will each have invested $500m over the next three years. Instead, Esso is aggressively expanding its oil and gas production, and lobbying for access to search for new oil in pristine areas such as the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge in Alaska.

Esso is the biggest company in the world � it can afford to take action.
Esso made $15billion in profits worldwide in 2001. In the same year it spent $7.9billion on oil and gas exploration and production � and not one dollar on renewable energy or green fuels.

Esso operates in 200 countries. It produces 4.5 million barrels of oil and gas each day. Esso is one of the UK's largest petrol retailers, with some 1,500 filling stations. Around 70% of the UK population live within two miles of an Esso petrol station. If any company can afford to do something about global warming Esso can.

"As a citizen, sometimes direct action is necessary to make a positive contribution to something you care about."
Esso UK website

Esso chooses to wreck the climate.
We can choose not to buy Esso's products.
Don't buy Esso!
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This article was written before George Bush's badly disguised attempt to control the Middle Eastern oil fields. And is testament to who is in real control of the USA.

This is merely an informative post and you are free to visit the website at http://www.stopesso.com/

Please post your feelings too (Without being a pillock Nox)

I did not read the article. I will not read the article, at this time. If you want to summarize the article and give your views on same, then I will consider reading same.

Posting an article is nothing. Your comments about an article are what this forum is about. This forum is NOT a newspaper it is a discussion forum.

Nox

i don't agree with you nox
he posted the article so that we can
read it and then argue on the content what will it take you ?
2 minutes to read it !!!!!
can't you afford that
if he just gave information i'm sure that you will tell him your famous
(PROOVE IT) or (GIVE ME A LINK) well he just burned some steps
and i agree that bush administration is so OILY

I think it's irresponsible to quote greenpeace as objective and informative.

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Originally posted by princecharmant1980:
i don't agree with you nox

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And I don't agree with you.

Nox

Good point Prince. How can I discuss an article if you haven't read it?

I feel you are violating my space here Nox you have obviously posted here to insult me because we got off on the wrong foot (how petty). If you do not wish to discuss the article, then don't. But don't then complain at me. I understand that as a moderator it is your duty to read posts, but you are not required to insult my methods.

I clearly requested that you don't be a pillock (bottom of the 1st post) and you have disregarded that reasonable request.

Quoting Greenpeace as informative is not irresponsible. Greenpeace are a responsible action group aimed at protecting my air from your pollution. It would be very helpful if you would take some time to read the article and then you can continue your opinions in any way form or manner. But until you read it Nox, how can you tell me how stupid or un-informed I am (as is your habit).

Greenpeace are far from decent sources of information. They are a one issue group and therefore will be completely biased.

Plus its made up of stupid hippies.

Yeah. Goddamn hippies.

Q: What kind of clothing looks best on a hippie?

A: Fire.

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Originally posted by ChuckStone:
Good point Prince. How can I discuss an article if you haven't read it?

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I include this quote since you obviously missed it:

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Originally posted by Nox:
I did not read the article. I will not read the article, at this time. If you want to summarize the article and give your views on same, then I will consider reading same.

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Absolutely true...We did get off on the wrong foot.

Absolutely true...I have insulted you.

However, there is one more absolute truth...I will intercourse with you intelligently. Use facts. I will read the article, but only when responding to your summary and the points you are trying to make. If you look at the marquis that introduces this forum, I don't want to know what some geek thinks. I want to know what you think. The links (or articles) merely serve as reference material for the formation of your opinion. Otherwise, this forum is nothing more that a complete hodge-podge of articles and links making it nothing more than an unedited newspaper.

This forum is ideas son...ideas, not a newspaper.

Nox

Yes, post a LINK, and maybe a teaser paragraph, NOT the entire article.

And ESSO is a minor player in the oil business anyway. There are bigger hands up Bush's ass.

There are two links. And there is much more available if you follow them.

It is an article providing evidence that George Bush is controlled by Esso and why.

Read it. Or don't and stop filling up the topic with your drivel and self-congratulations

NOX i don't disagree just to disagree
did you read totse disclaimer
well if totse admins didn't want us to include website links in their boards
they would simply disable the automatic link when you write a string begining with www.blablba.com

well the totse admins aparently were aware that people will include web links
wish you will see it in an objective angle
(nothing against you personaly!!!)

You idiot. There are uses for web links. But they are not meant to be the whole posts. Anyway, this is Nox's board and we do things Nox's way around here.

i'll take idiot as a compliment when comming from someone who couldn't answer me with counter logical statements

when i post the only thing i have in mind is the tose disclaimer
you know the texte about tose in the main
page
it's a kind of interne law and according to the text i didn't find conditional use of links
unless you proove the contrary shut up and
let moderators and totse admins answer
me or let them change the disclaimer

Nox can I be an official minion?

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Originally posted by VeneFrigus:
Nox can I be an official minion?

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Let's see:


minion
Pronunciation: 'min-y&n
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle French mignon darling
Date: 1501
1 : a servile dependent, follower, or underling
2 : one highly favored : IDOL
3 : a subordinate or petty official

Number two doesn't look too bad (IDOL is out). I don't like number one (except maybe follower and then only a little) and number three has to go.

It is an honor to think that you like my ideas, however, whatever you glean from me, ensure that it is not only consistant with what you feel, but what you can live with. My attitudes, opinions, observations and nuances fit me and my life style. Because of your experiences or beliefs (including what you have been taught/learned), some of my dogma may not work for you.

You want to be my minion, do this: Be independent, but not a loner. Be educated, but not a bookworm. Be a seeker of your spirit, but not a religious fanatic. Stand for something, but not against everything. Have children (whether natural or adopted), they will put you in your place (not to mention the extremes of pleasure and pain). Whenever you are about to do something, ask this question: Can I stand to have my mother (assuming she's alive) read about this on the front page of tomorrow's newspaper? And last but not least, travel. What you learn first hand about others and their cultures gives you an appreciation for what you are and what you have.

Long story to answer a short question so here's the short answer: I prefer to think of you (and others) as equals. If I am a leader, it is only because people follow my example, not me.

Nox

If he has to ask, then he can't be #2 (except maybe figuratively).

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Originally posted by VeneFrigus:
Nox can I be an official minion?

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Traitor to the Empire

It may be Nox's board. But I am Chuck Stone, and I have an official disregard for authority (staff appraisal session's suck anyways). This is Chuck's territory here, and I would like at least someone to open their eyes and find out about the world outside what Bush tells you it is. please read the article at the head of the post, and although many people are too stubborn and closed minded to take any notice because it is Greenpeace (GreenPeace are biased, but you need to see the other side to the American bias)

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!NOX IS THE ENEMY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!JOIN THE REBELLION!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally posted by ChuckStone:
but you need to see the other side to the American bias)

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And I do. And I do not agree with you. And your perpetual anti-American rants are meaningless because you know not that of which you speak. You are content to sit in your corner of the world eating someone else's pablum that they feed you and believe it. You are afraid to form your own opinion based upon your own observation. Pity.

Nox

My, my, my. Chuckie can dish it out.

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Originally posted by ChuckStone:
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!NOX IS THE ENEMY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!JOIN THE REBELLION!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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But he can't take it.

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Originally posted by ChuckStone:
But I am Chuck Stone,

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What a pity.

Nox

I was thinking of minion as in "guy who sneaks around hunched over with an evil glint in his eye," but whatever floats your boat.

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Originally posted by ChuckStone:

I feel you are violating my space here Nox you have obviously posted here to insult me because we got off on the wrong foot (how petty).

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Nox posts to everyone to insult them.

Nox doesn't insult me.

I don't insult Nox.

We try and keep intelligent conversation going and only argue like adults.

So do many others on this board.

Some however, come here when their parents have gone to bed and say naughty things they'd never say in front of their mommys.

What pablum is this to which you speak? I only hear what your beloved President wants me to hear. Yes I am in England but I cannot help the fact that Tony Blair is a puppet of GW, so I am subject to the self same pablum as you.

Who was the first to begin the insults Nox? It was you!

What does that make you? My enemy!

Who is the enemy?


!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!NOX IS THE ENEMY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So show me an example of me "not being able to take it" please.

Well Chucky you missed it the first time, so here it is again.

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Originally posted by ChuckStone:
But I am Chuck Stone

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Nox

you know what i think
you just derived from the main disccussion about the esso company and talk about
unimportant things
i'm waiting for responses (if you are still interessted because until now no one gave arguments for or against the post)

i think this article was very informative, Dank-u well chuckstone,