just wondering after this wave of anti ZIONIST and pro Palestinian posts
just answer with yes or no please

thanks

no

there is no zionist lobby in the US.

I am anti-Middle East, let them fuck around amongst themselves, I don't want to be involved.

quote:

---

there is no zionist lobby in the US.

---

Have you been living in a cave?


For my answer, YES, I think foreign policy in the US is ruled by that shitty little country.

Yes.

Yes.

We may as well move the White House to Jerusalem at the right we're going.



[This message has been edited by UnclNastyFingerz (edited 10-03-2002).]

For people who think that Zionist lobbies don't exist -

AIPAC, America's pro-Israel lobby

More Pro-Israel PACs, courtesy of opensecrets.org

Americans for Good Government
Americans United in Support of Democracy
BAYPAC
Bi-County PAC
California PAC
Citizens Organized PAC
City PAC
Delaware Valley PAC
Desert Caucus
East Midwood PAC
Florida Congressional Cmte
Georgia Peach
Grand Canyon Caucus
Heartland PAC
Hudson Valley PAC
Joint Action Cmte for Political Affairs
Louisiana for American Security
Maryland Assn for Concerned Citizens
Mid Manhattan PAC
MOPAC
National Action Cmte
National Jewish Democratic Council
National PAC
North Jersey PAC
Northern Californians for Good Govt
Northwest PAC
PAC of Cherry Hill, NJ
St Louisians for Better Government
To Protect Our Heritage PAC
Virginia Congressional Cmte
Washington PAC
Women's Alliance for Israel
Women's Pro-Israel National PAC
Young Jewish Leadership PAC

Pro-Israel PAC Contributions to 2000 Congressional Candidates
1999-2000 Cycle

that's an impressive list. where among them is a single apparition of the term "Zionist?"

Do you really thing that we support Israel because of the shadow Jewish conspiracy? Maybe you believe Ariel Sharon drinkks the bood of Palestinian babies as well, and the Holocaust was invented by a Vile Hebrew Cabal to churn up sentiment against noble Adolf Hitler.

Yes there are Jewish people in America. Yes they are quite powerful in the entertainment industry. Yes many networks are controlled by media conglomerates, at the head of which are Jewish CEOs. But these corporations are owned by the public, who has a say in what they watch. News programs show what people want to see. And American media are far more objective that those Jihadist-Middle Eastern-al-Jazeera-state-controlled propaganda fountains.

Here's a list of reasons the US government supports Israel:

- Israel is the only liberal representative democracy in the region.
- Israelis have developed a national economy, infrastructure, judiciary, and polity that is very similar to our own, unlike Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, the Palestinian Authority, Egypt, Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Kuwait...
- They are defending themselves against aggressors who have repeatedly emoted their desire to eradicate Jews, and attacked Israel several times.
- Israel is a nation that defends the rights of its citizens, even against itself, and even when they are Arabs.
- Israel is not threatening the overthrow of the US by force, or the use of WMD against US civilians.
- Israel is not a brutal theocracy bent on wasteful mismanagement of the region's resources for the economic gain of its hereditary rulers.

Zionism was a movement to establish a home for Jews in their ancestral homeland. The Palestinians in refugee camps are not there because Israel forced them there; they are there because when the state of Israel was formed and acknowledged by the UN, Israel's Arab neighbors encouraged the massive movement of Arabs out of Israel so the vile Jew could be washed into the sea. The camps are the result of Arab oppression, not Israeli.

Cheers

quote:

---

Originally posted by Vox:
Here's a list of reasons the US government supports Israel:

- Israel is the only liberal representative democracy in the region.

---

So? We're not really that interested in democracy outside of our own country.

quote:

---

- Israelis have developed a national economy, infrastructure, judiciary, and polity that is very similar to our own, unlike Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, the Palestinian Authority, Egypt, Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Kuwait...

---

So? half that list are allies anyway. And who capitalized their "economy"?

quote:

---

- They are defending themselves against aggressors who have repeatedly emoted their desire to eradicate Jews, and attacked Israel several times.

---

A country's self-defense mechanism is reason to ally ourselves with them?

quote:

---

- Israel is a nation that defends the rights of its citizens, even against itself, and even when they are Arabs.

---

Yeah, the democracy thing...

quote:

---

- Israel is not threatening the overthrow of the US by force, or the use of WMD against US civilians.

---

Why would they, when they can just hire us as proxy subcontractors?

quote:

---

- Israel is not a brutal theocracy bent on wasteful mismanagement of the region's resources for the economic gain of its hereditary rulers.

---

No it's not, but it is a brutal theocracy bent on preserving the region's religious sites for the spiritual gain of it's hereditary ancestor's descendents. You even said as much in your post.

quote:

---

How far does a dick have to be up your ass, before you realize you're getting fucked? - Bill Hicks

---

edit: Ubb code.

[This message has been edited by user X (edited 10-03-2002).]

Israel is a liberal representative democracy? Israel is less democratic then Syria.

They're a tyranical theocracy seeking complete control of the middle east using terrorist methods to intimidate and coerce it's population and government into meeting their demands. They have a powerful military, and "weapons of mass destruction" which they maintain in order to keep power, and they illegally occupy South Lebanon and other regions in the middle east where the repress, kill, and control civilians.

quote:

---

that's an impressive list. where among them is a single apparition of the term "Zionist?"

---

If you knew anything at all about politics, you would know that PACs often obfuscate their causes with neutral-sounding names.

quote:

---

Do you really thing that we support Israel because of the shadow Jewish conspiracy?

---

As they say, money makes the world go 'round. Or in this case, makes the Congressman vote for your cause.

quote:

---

Maybe you believe Ariel Sharon drinkks the bood of Palestinian babies as well

---

Nope, but he certainly doesn't mind killing the Palestinian babes. I doubt he'd want to "drink the blood" of the goyim, however

quote:

---

and the Holocaust was invented by a Vile Hebrew Cabal to churn up sentiment against noble Adolf Hitler.

---

No, I believe that was an event in history that has been exaggerated and politicized, and often used to extort money and support for certain less-than-noble organizations.

quote:

---

Yes there are Jewish people in America. Yes they are quite powerful in the entertainment industry. Yes many networks are controlled by media conglomerates, at the head of which are Jewish CEOs.

---

Want a cookie for that observation?

quote:

---

But these corporations are owned by the public, who has a say in what they watch. News programs show what people want to see. And American media are far more objective that those Jihadist-Middle Eastern-al-Jazeera-state-controlled propaganda fountains.

---

The success of propaganda "fountains" lies in the ability for them to sway public opinion in a subtle way without the public knowing that they are being swayed. Obvious state-controlled Arab news source propaganda pales in comparison to the propaganda that occurs when the public is under the delusion that they are getting unbiased and objective news.

quote:

---

Here's a list of reasons the US government supports Israel:

- Israel is the only liberal representative democracy in the region.

---

Israel is controlled by the far-right Likud government and is a nation founded on racialism. They can have a "jewish nation" or democracy, but not both. Implementing the belief that "all men are created equal", would mean an end to the "jewish nation", since they would have to give Palestinians full equal rights. Israel cannot do this because that would destroy the "jewish character" of Israel. A "democracy" founded on racial discrimination. Not very liberal, is it?

quote:

---

- Israelis have developed a national economy, infrastructure, judiciary, and polity that is very similar to our own, unlike Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, the Palestinian Authority, Egypt, Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Kuwait...

---

So?

quote:

---

- They are defending themselves against aggressors who have repeatedly emoted their desire to eradicate Jews, and attacked Israel several times.

---

Those "aggressors" are defending themselves against an occupying power that has done more than "emote" a desire to eradicate Palestinians. Israel actually has a sytematic policy of displacing Palestinians off their lands and replacing them with Jewish only "settlements" all over the occupied territory in violation of international law. Over three times as much Palestinians have been killed than Israelis.

quote:

---

- Israel is a nation that defends the rights of its citizens, even against itself, and even when they are Arabs.

---

No they don't, unless you consider bulldozing someone's house part of "protecting their rights".

quote:

---

- Israel is not threatening the overthrow of the US by force, or the use of WMD against US civilians.

---

Why would they be threatening the US? The US is their little piggy bank. They get billions a year from the US. That would be a case of seriously biting the hand that feeds you.

quote:

---

- Israel is not a brutal theocracy bent on wasteful mismanagement of the region's resources for the economic gain of its hereditary rulers.

---

Israel is a corrupt and racialist nation bent on taking the land and resources of one ethnic group and using it for the gain of the "chosen" ones.

quote:

---

Zionism was a movement to establish a home for Jews in their ancestral homeland.

---

At the expense of the people who lived on that land for hundreds of years.

quote:

---

The Palestinians in refugee camps are not there because Israel forced them there

---

Oh, I suppose Israel is implementing the Right of Return, then? Annexing the land and giving Palestinians equal rights? Oh yeah, can't do that because that would "threaten the Jewish character" of this "liberal democracy".

quote:

---

they are there because when the state of Israel was formed and acknowledged by the UN, Israel's Arab neighbors encouraged the massive movement of Arabs out of Israel so the vile Jew could be washed into the sea. The camps are the result of Arab oppression, not Israeli.

---

Nice piece of idiotic propaganda that's been debunked years ago. Where did you get it? From Time Immemorial? CAMERA? Try reading some real history, perhaps the book by Benny Morris. Former Prime Minister Begin even wrote a book bragging about his Irgun (Zionist terrorist group) exploits, such as slaughtering the Palestinians in the village of Deir Yassin.

The Irgun and LEHI men came out of hiding and began to `clean' the houses. They shot whoever they saw, women and children included, the commanders did not try to stop the massacre�they were taken to the quarry between Deir Yassin and Giv'at Shaul, and murdered in cold blood... 12 - Israeli Haganah officer, Colonel Meir Pa�el

Word got around of the slaughter at Deir Yassin, and Palestinians got a little creeped out and fled.

"Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I don't blame you because geography books no longer exist, not only do the books not exist, .The Arab villages are not there either. Nahal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibat; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kfar Yehushu'a in the place of Tal al Shuman. There is not one single place that did not have a former Arab population." Moshe Dayan's address to the Technion, Haifa (as Quoted in Ha'aretz, April 4, 1969).

>>>Israel is less democratic then Syria<<<

Not true. I've been to both places.

>>>At the expense of the people who lived on that land for hundreds of years.<<<

Who uprooted and forced out people who had lived there for thousands of years.

>>>No, I believe that was an event in history that has been exaggerated and politicized<<<

6+ million people being killed in a short few years is no big deal at all. Right...

quote:

---

Vox:
- Israel is not threatening the overthrow of the US by force, or the use of WMD against US civilians.

---

quote:

---

Originally posted by TheMouse:
Why would they be threatening the US? The US is their little piggy bank. They get billions a year from the US. That would be a case of seriously biting the hand that feeds you.

---

This is interesting, You point out the fact that they are looting our treasury, while my response was to point out; that they buy our government's favor - to do their bidding.

WITH OUR MONEY!

You just can't get more jewish than that.

quote:

---

Who uprooted and forced out people who had lived there for thousands of years.

---

Romans are the ones who booted the Juden off the land thousands of years ago, not Palestinian farmers.

quote:

---

6+ million people being killed in a short few years is no big deal at all. Right...

---

Not only do I doubt the 6 mil figure, but Stalin killed millions more. I don't see endless "reparations" extortions, and countless films about the victims of Bolshevism. Where is the "Gulag" Memorial museum in the US built with state funds?

Damn straight Mouse. you dont see us squezing every cent out of poor countries like ukraine or Poland. Liberal jews disgrace the memory and honor of there ancestors. Jews played a huge role in the Bolsheviks. Kaganavich, Beria, Trotsky, etc... Stalin and his hentchmen Beria and Kaganovich starved millions of ukrainians. killed all there oppenants and made a swimming pool out of christ the savior cathedral. millions of armenians were slaughtered by the jew's cousins the turks. but israel is allies with turkey and so america will never recognize the armenian genocide as long as the zionists are in power.

Genocide seems to be fairly common. It should be accepted, you can't prevent it, I don't think.

>>>Romans are the ones who booted the Juden off the land thousands of years ago, not Palestinian farmers.<<<

Who then after the Romans left, continued to be oppressed by Byzantines, then the Ottomans, then the Palestinians. Juden? cute. Would you like me to shave your head? Be a good little French wannabe and play nice

>>>Not only do I doubt the 6 mil figure,<<<

Okay, you'll probably dream up a 6,000 figure, or a cartoon proving the holocaust never happened.


>>>but Stalin killed millions more. I don't see endless "reparations" extortions, and countless films about the victims of Bolshevism. Where is the "Gulag" Memorial museum in the US built with state funds?<<<

Too bad the NKVD/KGB didn't take every single Russians name before shipping them off to count trees in Siberia.

quote:

---

Who then after the Romans left, continued to be oppressed by Byzantines, then the Ottomans, then the Palestinians. Juden?

---

The Jews were banished from the "holy land" after revolting. Arab conquerers ended Byzantine rule, and from that time to the present, the land was Muslim rule with majority Muslim inhabitants. A minority of Hassidic Jews retired there, but lived in peace with the Palestinians.

Then came the Zionist movement, which didn't even have much support until after WWII. European Jews started colonizing the place in about 1897, in very small numbers.

quote:

---

Okay, you'll probably dream up a 6,000 figure, or a cartoon proving the holocaust never happened.

---

I think it's hilarious how someone is accused of thinking the "holocaust never happened" if they just say they doubt the standard dogma about the 6 million. Is someone a holocaust denier if they don't think Jews were turned into soap and lampshades?

[This message has been edited by TheMouse (edited 10-04-2002).]

quote:

---

Originally posted by TheMouse:
A minority of Hassidic Jews retired there, but lived in peace with the Palestinians.
[This message has been edited by TheMouse (edited 10-04-2002).]

---

You forgot during the early 1900's the Palestinians began attacking Jewish settlements.

Not too many people take too kindly to immigrants who waltz in and talk about taking over the place for their own, besides liberals. The Zionist colonizers were quite open about their aims and they did their fair share of attacking the Palestinians.

"The Zionists made no secret of their intentions, for as early as 1921, Dr. Eder, a member of the Zionist Commission, boldly told the Court of Inquiry, 'there can be only one National Home in Palestine, and that a Jewish one, and no equality in the partnership between Jews and Arabs, but a Jewish preponderance as soon as the numbers of the race are sufficiently increased.' He then asked that only Jews should be allowed to bear arms." Sami Hadawi, "Bitter Harvest."


"Why should the Arabs make peace? If I was an Arab leader, I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country. Sure, God promised it to us, but what does that matter to them? Our God is not theirs, We come from Israel, it's true, but two thousand years ago, and what is that to them? There has been anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They only see one thing: we came here and stole their country. Why should they accept that?" David Ben-Gurion, quoted in "The Jewish Paradox" by Nathan Goldman, former president of the World Jewish Congress.

"Before [the Palestinians] very eyes we are possessing the land and the villages where they, and their ancestors, have lived...We are the generation of colonizers, and without the steel helmet and the gun barrel we cannot plant a tree and build a home." Israeli leader Moshe Dayan, quoted in Benjamin Beit-Hallahmi, "Original Sins: Reflections on the History of Zionism and Israel"

Edit: I didn't forget a thing. Zionists began colonizing in 1897, as I said. The Hassidic Jews that lived there weren't Zionists and didn't want a Jewish nation.

[This message has been edited by TheMouse (edited 10-04-2002).]

quote:

---

Originally posted by TheMouse:
Not too many people take too kindly to immigrants who waltz in and talk about taking over the place for their own, besides liberals. The Zionist colonizers were quite open about their aims and they did their fair share of attacking the Palestinians.
[This message has been edited by TheMouse (edited 10-04-2002).]

---

Immigrants? How is someone returning to live in their native land an immigrant?

quote:

---

Immigrants? How is someone returning to live in their native land an immigrant?

---

Try waltzing over to where your ancestors lived 2000 years ago and telling the current residents they have to move. Just try it.

My ancestors came from around Russia. If I tried to move over there now, I'd be an immigrant.

By the way, using the definition of "native", the native land of most of those Jews is Europe, Russia and North America, where they were born.

[This message has been edited by TheMouse (edited 10-04-2002).]

>>>>Holocaust was invented by a Vile Hebrew Cabal to churn up sentiment against noble Adolf Hitler.<<<<

When I first came to Totse we had an epic debate about this fact, which I thought had been archived, but apparently not.

my own answer :
YES

quote:

---

Originally posted by Spirit of '22:
>>>>Holocaust was invented by a Vile Hebrew Cabal to churn up sentiment against noble Adolf Hitler.<<<<

When I first came to Totse we had an epic debate about this fact, which I thought had been archived, but apparently not.

---

I remember that.

what was the general consensus?

quote:

---

Originally posted by Joe Boo:
Immigrants? How is someone returning to live in their native land an immigrant?

---

My history is weak, but isn't the jew's "native land" in North Africa? which they left willingly...

Isn't their original occupation - slave?

what do you think it was?

if your you wanna talk about native land. most jews today cant even trace any blood back to israel. there native land would be along the caspian and southern volga. they were called the Khazar's, cousins of the turks, tatars, and mongols. the jews are your normal central asian steppe people. there king adopted judiasm as a politcal choice because the two powers at the time were islam persia, and orthodox Byzantium. they were nuetrol so they chose judiasm. later the Khazars were destroyed by Vladimir and Kievian Rus. So jews are a turkic people. turkic people origante from Mongolia. so the jews ancestoral grounds are in the Gobi desert but then again if you wanna go back that far the Slavs and other Aryan people original homeland was Iran and India. you can still see some aryan traits in small tribes in northern india and iran.

The jews were from Israel before Egypt. The Egyptians were often at war with the Caananites and took slaves.

quote:

---

Originally posted by user X:
My history is weak, but isn't the jew's "native land" in North Africa? which they left willingly...

Isn't their original occupation - slave?

---

And so is mine, because weren't they brought there by the Egyptians in the first place?

And if they weren't, then who was there before, who did they push out, and who are they known as now? How about where are they?

And my history is also a little rusty, because their former masters tried to take them back several times this century, much to their sorrow.

quote:

---

Originally posted by Joe Boo:
Immigrants? How is someone returning to live in their native land an immigrant?

---

joeboo clearly u r not reading, "native land" they didn't lve thier 4 ages, and came back.
The palestinians want to return to thier homeland too but Isreal will not let them.
Its a racist evil little country, evil and smart too, way more scarier then the kkk cuz u know they r evil but dumb.
just want to clarify don't hate jewsih ppl, kinda like em actually, esp.:noam chomsky, who can not! my god the guy is a genius!
sooo.. loads of respect for the jewish community and sympathy 4 the holacaust but hate that damned evil nation.
Jewsih does not equal to Israel or vice versa, stop trying to use the deaths during the halacaust to justify what Israel is doing today, its purely evil!
and that does not make me anti-semetic!!!!

oxxoxoxo

quote:

---

Originally posted by malaria:
Genocide seems to be fairly common. It should be accepted, you can't prevent it, I don't think.

---

yea... shut up!!!

although.. u do have a right to your opinion ..so i guess go on,
but i disagree

>>>joeboo clearly u r not reading, "native land" they didn't lve thier 4 ages, and came back.<<<

Yes, they did. Read history to find it out.

>>>The palestinians want to return to thier homeland too but Isreal will not let them<<<

They are already there goofy. But what justifies them to blow up buses full of innocents and a family at Passover? That doesn't disgust you, then you do hate Jewish people.


>>>Its a racist evil little country, evil and smart too, way more scarier then the kkk cuz u know they r evil but dumb<<<

They are not evil, and they are not dumb. My family fled there after being guests of Syria. They are only scary when defending themselves.


>>>just want to clarify don't hate jewsih ppl, kinda like em actually<<<

Bullshit

>>>esp.:noam chomsky, who can not! my god the guy is a genius!<<<

Figures. YOu should get your head checked.


>>>sooo.. loads of respect for the jewish community and sympathy 4 the holacaust but hate that damned evil nation<<<

Whatever. You are no different the Hamas.

>>>Jewsih does not equal to Israel or vice versa, stop trying to use the deaths during the halacaust to justify what Israel is doing today, its purely evil!
and that does not make me anti-semetic!!!!<<<


I'm not using the holocaust, I'm using the Palestinian terror waves.

>>>oxxoxoxo<<<

What are you kissing?

Chomsksy sucks balls.

Israelis, speak with Arabic accents and have Arabic coloured skin, but they are Jews. The Arabs are a race (who are predominately Muslim, I know a Christian Arab), and the Jews are a religion. Why is it when there is no proof as to who is right anyway (hence the term "faith") that there is so much argument. I blame the British, it could have been so much easier for them to say to the palestinians "do you mind awfully if these Jewish refugees came to live with you" and they would have probably said yes... they were even tolerant of the presence of a Jewish state, but when that Jewish state who were given everything they wanted had a war with the Arabs, and stole Golan, WestBank, and Gaza from the Muslims, and promptly persecuted the inhabitants for doing what they have been doing since forever...Who can blame them for getting a bit pissed off. It's unbelievable that there is any argument as to who is right and who is wrong. But obviously it would require us to admit we were wrong to sympatise with the Palestinians so we demonise them, exactly what is wrong with defending your own home. The Palestinians are brave freedom fighters, and the Axis of Evil is defnetley Israel, Britain and USA. (I'm surprised that George Lucas didn't write Return of the Jedi so that the evil Rebel Alliance terrorists got their just deserts and were all sent to a gulag on Kessel, or Cuba)

Jews are a tribe, not a race or religion. Even secular Jews strongly identify with Jewish tribal interests. Zionism was a movement started by atheist Jews.

Noam Chomsky is a delusional fool.

We can thank the Zionist policy by our friendly jewish senator Joseph Leiberman, sadly from my state. You know he is whining in congress so he can protect his jews. The jews are wrong. They just came in after the holocaust and uprooted the paliestinians.

quote:

---

Originally posted by TheMouse:
Zionism was a movement started by atheist Jews.

---

?????????????????????????????????????????????

As in Jews who follow Abraham in full knowledge he is full of shit?
What the hell is an Atheist Jew. Is that like a White Negro? or a drunk Abstainer. Perhaps a celibate whore?

And how exactly is Chomsky delusional? If you open your eyed for a moment you will see he speaketh the truth. You can't just insult a man because he disagrees with you. You can argue your point of view, but I suspect you choose not to because you are unsure of the basis of your point of view, because it is a generic point of view for an ignorant mind.
If Noam is delusional, what is the correct way to think? Is it how Bush told you to think? Is it the way that we are conditioned to think since we were 1 day old?

It is easy to insult Noam Chomsky because he throws into question your values, the values that you thought made you a good upstanding citizen of the world have been questioned and eventually may even collapse. But that does not matter, you can build your own values, then (and only then) will you be free. Freedom of speech is only any good if you have freedom of thought, and 99% of us don't.

Why don't you question your values? And if you maintain them, and realise you were right all along, then great. But you will probably realise it's all wrong, and either way you will no longer be a slave of the Government (you can be their servant, but that's your choice). After all, we don't choose our values, society chooses them for us.

Chuck Stone, I congragulate you. Your post made me laugh. A white negro, a celibate whore lol

quote:

---

?????????????????????????????????????????????
As in Jews who follow Abraham in full knowledge he is full of shit?
What the hell is an Atheist Jew. Is that like a White Negro? or a drunk Abstainer. Perhaps a celibate whore?

---

Get back to me after you study the Jews a little. Most Jews nowadays are secular. The founders of Zionism were atheist, but they were Jewish by blood and tribal loyalty. To gain the right to immigrate to Israel, you don't have to believe anything about Judaism at all. What is required is Jewish ancestry.

"The State of Israel is a secular state: its law, its legislative assembly (the Knesset), and the majority of its population are non-religious. This is hardly surprising as Israel came into existence due to the efforts of a secular political movement motivated by non-religious nationalism, namely political Zionism. In its early days Zionism came into fierce conflict with religious Jewry. The Zionists rejected religious submissiveness; the religious saw the atheist attempt to create a secular Jewish state as blasphemy." - Akiva Orr, The unJewish State (London: Ithaca Press, 1983)


Jews = Tribe

tribe n. 1. A unit of social organization consisting of a number of families, clans, or other groups who share a common ancestry, culture, and leadership. 2. A political, ethnic, or ancestral division of ancient states and cultures, especially: a. Any of the three divisions of the ancient Romans, namely, the Latin, Sabine, and Etruscan. b. Any of the 12 divisions of ancient Israel.

You people talk about the jews moving back to their native land, that is bullshit. if that is how it goes, then everyone get the fuck out of america NOW because it's time to give the land back to the native americans.
Israel has no claim over that land. The us had no, NO authority to kick a bunch of people out of their land and move a bunch of jews in. The jewish people are living on palestinian land, and thus they are tresspassing, and by US law, you can shoot a tresspasser, so I think that every act of "terrorism" that palestine commits is completely legal.

quote:

---

Originally posted by TheMouse:
Get back to me after you study the Jews a little.

---

Dya know, I don't think I can be arsed actually. You do it!

The problem doesn't lie with the facts higlighted by Homer Jay (although they are true), but the fact Israel are so fucking ungrateful about it. To start a war with Palestine over the aquisition of more land. It's fucking absurd, and I can't believe we are supporting it!
HOW CAN WE CLAIM TO BE PRESERVING FREEDOM ?????????

Israel is a bunch of whiney babies.
They say that because in ancient times the land was stolen from them that it should be given back. I say this: LAND WAS STOLEN ALL THE TIME BACK THEN!!!!!
ENTIRE PEOPLE WERE DISPLACED EVERY OTHER WEEK!!!
IF WE WERE TO GIVE BACK ALL THE LAND THAT PEOPLE HAD TAKEN FROM THEM, THERE WOULD BE CHAOS, AND JUST BECUASE THEY ARE JEWISH DOES NOT GIVE THEM ANY RIGHTS MORE THAN ALL THE OTHER PEOPLE MOVED AROUND BACK THEN.

FUCK EM.
I SAY WE GIVE THE PALESTINIANS BACK THEIR SHIT AND SAY "MY BAD YO" BECUASE THAT IS WHY WE ARE BEING ATTACKED!!

homer

[This message has been edited by HomerJay603 (edited 11-09-2002).]

Palestinian suicide bombers aren't doing it for a laugh. They DIE, so thet suggests they feel fairly strongly about it. The Jews can all go live in Germany and Poland now. The Nazis have been gone for nearly 60 years!

So emotions decide the fate of the world now? The world hates America so we have to roll over and die? The bully down the street really wants my lunch money? Emotions mean nothing. This by far is the funniest thing I have heard all day.

quote:

---

Originally posted by ChuckStone:
The Jews can all go live in Germany and Poland now.

---

I don't think that would be very nice for the Germans and Poles.

I don't know. They might be good at removing those troublesome Turks.

That would be like bringing in the mafia to deal with the Crips. Sure, they might get rid of the Crips, but then you're stuck under the boot of a mafia. The last thing Germany and Poland need right now is to put up with them again.