No known system of goverment is stable for a long time, is effiecent and wont butt-fuck its citizens at every chance it gets.

Please explain a idea you may have for a new system that is effiencent, will last, does not abuse its citizens and is designed for a large scale. (For example, democracy is a system designed for a local goverment, not for a country as big as america.)

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umm dude i just wrote a huge topic on that yester day, take a look at my post. I belive that the only true goverment is no goverment, but I hate to use the word anarchy, because to many people view anarchy as kill your neighbors and general destruction and violence but a perfect world would be true anarchy, no goverment, but in order to have this happen all the people in the world would have to LOVE each other, but that is the one problem, how do you get 6 billion people to just get along? civilizations are built on hate and greed not love. when people think of "great" civilizations in the past who do they think of? the romans the athenians and such, but these empires only made themselves "great" by brutally taking over other countries and forcing half the world into slavery without a second thought because all others were "inferior". can anyone think of a civilization that was based on love and sharing in which people were happy without haveing to make others miserable? no none of you can. once again i have a clear idea in my head but i cannot put it into words sigh...=( anyways read my long and unstructured post about my idea of a perfect society.

how do you get 6 billion people to just get along? civilizations are built on hate and greed not love.


My idea of a ideal society is people helping each other out out of greed.

Ever noticed organizations (corperations, political parties for example.) collect more money and achieve more with ease then a individual who tries to do things on their own?
A person who has a roomate has more money for rent then a guy who rents alone?

I believe when people realize that there is more gain through collective means and pooling resources instead of struggling on their own for very little, people will become a bit more friendly.

I want the people's opinion on how this can be done realistically.

I find it unlikely that us humans would be able to "get along," especially six billion of us. Too many differing positions and too many people going "gimmy! gimmy! gimmy!"

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Originally posted by gombowlzombie:
...there is more gain through collective means and pooling resources instead of struggling on their own...

I want the people's opinion on how this can be done realistically.

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1. Seek out those that have something you want.
2. Induce them into trading for something of your's.

Thats exactly what I have in mind.

Actually it works a bit more like this:

Seek out someone who has something you want.
Induce them into trading for something with yours, if such an agreement would be beneficial to you. Where possible, take what you want without trade, by force if necessary.

Without controlling mechanisms such as governments and religion, people are even more inclined to place their interests first.

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Originally posted by preying mantis:
the state department of efficiency

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Now there's an oxymoron!

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Originally posted by gombowlzombie:
A person who has a roomate has more money for rent then a guy who rents alone?

I believe when people realize that there is more gain through collective means and pooling resources instead of struggling on their own for very little, people will become a bit more friendly.

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Ever notice how lots of roommates lose their jobs and become slobs around the house while you bust your ass to keep the bills paid that you collectively accumulated so that your credit record and stuff doesn't get put in the shitter over their irresponsibility and laziness...hrm...same problems as communism....freeloaders bring the system down

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Originally posted by malaria:
What do you consider a Jew? Ethnic, religious? Converts that aren't ethnically? Half-Jews?

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Anything that acts like a jew is a jew. For one, a hatred of successful human cultures. Jews believe the Universe is a Monster and is their enemy. Jews believe they can beat Nature. Jews feel that attributes among Aryans (which are only attributes to other true Aryans in a true Aryan society) such as honesty, integrity and bravery are the stupid behaviors of animals. Jews almost always carry a mongolian strain, a genetic strain from the East, so they can be considered asiatic. They often share the same crass and noxious behaviors, tendenecies and values (ape-values) of the Negro.

You're obviously of the most ignorant white trash on the planet, so I'll let it slide and realize that you'll be pumping gas, or flipping burgers, until you die.

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Originally posted by Bogey Man:
I'll continue to wait for the punchline...

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If that was for me, there isn't one. Note how the post was directed towards a specific forum member.

Saturn, you do realize that Asians as a whole were pretty far advanced, don't you? I mean, they had things as or even more amazing as our own. I wouldn't be ashamed to be Asian, that's for sure.

Also, what about all the Asiatic Steppe folk who kicked the shit out of Rome and other Barbarian tribes?

Preying Mantis (directing a post at you), I wasn't talking to you. I had responded to Saturn's uncolorful remarks, and then I responded to the rest of the people who see in black and white.

The Asiatic barbarians were successful because:

• They happened to have composite bows
  
• They happened to possess good horses and know how to use them
  
• They happened to have societies that were completely focused on warfare
  
• They happened to invade at a time when Rome was collapsing from within

Heh. I didn't see that before, Mantis.

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Originally posted by malaria:
Saturn, you do realize that Asians as a whole were pretty far advanced, don't you? I mean, they had things as or even more amazing as our own. I wouldn't be ashamed to be Asian, that's for sure.

Also, what about all the Asiatic Steppe folk who kicked the shit out of Rome and other Barbarian tribes?

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No. In fact the Asians didn't have woven clothing until the Aryans found them. It wouldn't be shameful to be an Asian, but very limiting and tragic. Even the Japanese would be considered second-class peoples in a "Best Race Contest" if it were just White vs Asian, although there should never be such a pageant. There is no comparison to the White race, but don't tell the Asians that. Except the more arrogant ones that are in White/Western countries.
Yeah, good on the Japanese and thats a nice attempt from the Chinese team, but come on. Would you REALLY want to be Asian when you could be White? 8-|

It depends on what you want. Japanese and some Chinese as a whole are better at calculation and such than Caucasians.

Saturn: I actually laughed at your post. Didn't you once say you were a "wigger?"

Vene: Those things are true, and I will go along with the last point to add something more. The new Rome was getting more and more Germanic within, which is what caused deteriorations, but not before the Asiatics had already been invading for a bit. I'd say they had quite a bit to do with the fall internally ("Who do we ally with?") and externally.

40 minutes later...I forget what I was saying.

Statistical process control.

Could have made america great.

China was far more advanced than europe untill the industrial revolution, a period europe would have not reached without such chinese inventions as gunpowder and the compass. Granted I would call rome and its chinese contemporary a draw.

China is sort of strange that way, though. It seems to have always had most of it's technology since as far back as anyone can tell.