Hmmm... how to start.

Ahem. Cough. "Americans are the new Nazi's"
Cough again.

Before all you loyal flag huggin' Bush lovin' rednecks out there have a go at me, let me expand a bit.

American way of life? Little kids swearing allegiance to a fucking flag? Imposing "democracy" on other countries forcefully? The mass cultural invasions of American TV, culture, and other easily exportable shit.

A friend of mine recently mentioned buying a box of "candy". I am from England (a shit hole as well, but never mind). We dont have candy. We have chocolates or sweets.

STOP RAPING OTHER COUNTRIES FOR YOUR OWN FUCKING ENDS, YOU BUNCH OF SELF OBSESSED HYPOCRITICAL CUNTS!

Why is America fucking with Afghanistan? In the name of democracy? No-ones prove Bin Laden (another fucking cunt) is even in the country, let alone blew anyone up! But we all accept that George Bush (or "the antichrist", as i call him) can go fuck with anyone he wants because he has "god" on his side! Fuck his god, wheres his fucking justification?

You're all a load of fucking inbreds with no intellectual capacity or original thought. In fact, just a nation of robotic clones. I know theres a few of you who aren't, but you're probably gonna be killed by some 12yr old with a huge fucking gun who's grandaddy blooded it killing niggers in the deep south when you fuckers had your own litle system of apartheid going on, you bunch of hypocrites!

I could go on forever, but my final point is that my country is going the same way. If Bush is Satan, then Blair is Satan's lap-dog. Or cock-sucking disease ridden crack whore.

I am available for childrens party's.

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LOL.

The poor kid isn't particulary familiar with the users on this board.

Mr Self Destruct, can you detonate now? A fraction of a second of pink mist would contribute far more to the world than anything you could ever say.

And why slag off someone elses country when you can't even find good words for your own. You do realise that if you don't like where you live, you can always move to a more favourable country.

And on another note, indian TV reported on the 29th March that they were two hours away from capturing Bin Laden in his pakistan safehouse. Which means that asian TV is a load of bollock speaking rubbish or that our news isn't allowed to mention it.

Yes, a few of us left, maybe, however all us smart people are on our way to either canada or europe...

What, pray tell, would Europe have to offer a "smart" American when being afraid of the Arab immigrants is illegal?

IF were the NAZI's why is france the country having pogroms and the dutch the ones with a welonian nationalist government and austria the one that elected georg heider?

This must be parody. No-one can possibly be that stupid.

Can they?

You'd be amazed at how stupid people are capable of being.

Actually I'm planning on moving to America in the near future. The UK is so americanised it'll feel more like home anyway.

The thing that made me laugh the most was the inbred remark. After all, America IS the 'melting pot.'

:America - The new Nazi Germany?:?


I thought israel was.

that my friend was sarcasm.

did i spell it right this time sckbch?

Mr Self Destruct is right about amerika and the UK. But moving ain't gonna help. The whole world sucks.

Just waint until the oil suplies run out and WW III starts. It'll be lots of fun. You see a war isn't all that bad (unless you're a victim ofcourse) . It's like a vulcano that destroys everything but also creates new life. Just hide in some pit until the war ends and fom there on everything will be ok. A new world will be born. Without religion, diffrence,... We'll all be hapy.

Now that's sarcasm.

if america is the new nazi germany does that make afghanistan france? and if so will russia, germany and china ally and kick the fuck out of america, only to turn to infighting and bicker amongst themselves till the most deceitful & ruthless nation comes out on top, then attempts to take over the world...

FUCK THIS COUNTRY AND IT'S OPRESSIVELY IGNORANT BELIEFS! seriously, why the hell do we do this shit?
I'll tell ya, because we KNOW that NOONE will question the authority of Bush (the dumb fuck) and everyone believes that the "AMERICAN" way of life is superior to any other way of life.
We will continue to KILL and KILL and KILL and KILL and noone will ever wonder that maybe this fucking shithole really IS the new nazi germany.

The Bill of Rights is too oppressively ignorant for me too man

it's not the bill of rights that is opressive, it's the way the government gets around and manipulates it.

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Since no one else has asked, I will.

Why would someone want to move to Nazi-Germany-America? Since you state that Merry-Old-England is so much like America anyway, why bother moving?

Nox

America The NEW ??? Nazi Germany... as usual the Euro-American sees only what suits him..... When the Euro-American, your forefathers, came to this country they brought the foundation for the Nazi's with them. They practiced genocide, biochemical and biological warfare on the Indians. Pretty much wiped them out. When food was scarce, they simply killed whole villages, men, women and children who were prisoners. Later years they stole Indian children, indoctrinated them in the Euro-American schools, took away their culture, took away their language and tried to take away their beliefs. Then in the late 1800's and the early 1900 our the great physicians and shrinks of the time got together and decided to sterilize the mentally retarded, blacks and Indians who were not sexual servants. Gave lobotomies for anyone not considered normal And gave electrical shock treatment to confined alcholocis until they changed or died. The Germans at that time picked up on the experiments and used Euro-American "actually by then they called themselves American but were simply Europeans in wolf clothing" test results and improved on the testing to the point Americans now call cruel..?????? Cruel in comparison to wiping out whole nations of Indians, cruel in comparison to trading buffalo for germ infested small pox blankets..???? Cruel in comparison to killing the food chain to starve the Indians.... Cruel in comparison to stealing the Black Hills for its precious metals and then when losing at the Supreme Court level offering money instead of giving back the land.... I believe as a "Euro-American" that you are a little behind the time in calling America the NEW Nazi Germany...... WAke up..turn on the light and study American history..... you might learn how well the Americans learned from the Europeans....

** humbled by the fact not everybody is ignorant **

thank you SDR.

i love the europeans perception of us, some of you anyways.

the great warmonger imposing it's virtue on other countries.

while we live in a hemisphere whose original inhabitants culture is all but extinct, save for a few landmarks,

and the most widely used languages being english, french, and spanish.

Actually america is more the new rome than the new nazi Germany.

I love SDR's line of reasoning.

Whenever Americans do something bad, it's because of their European ancestry.

Biochemical and biological warfare on the Native Americans. Really?

Although some of the eugenics theories you describe may have originated in Britain, they weren't practised in Britain, or in the Roman Catholic European countries. Virginia continued to sterilise the mentally handicapped during the 70s. Are you seriously trying to tell me that in the 70s Virginians were still more European than American?

I don't see how you can blame Europe for the action of American settlers.

I don't see how you can blame "European Americans" for Nazi Germany. They were Germans.

This is all part of the "it's not my fault so I'll blame America, Americans, the American capitalist system, or all of the above". I'll also use cheap cop-outs like, "America is running the world" et al.

This schtuff began in the Cold War when the world was afraid to critcize the Soviet Union because they (the Soviet Union) would cut off aid, hands, heads, etc. The Americans would tolerate the nonsense and give itself a self-imposed guilt trip on how we had so much and the rest of the world had so little (guess it's our fault we worked hard).

The people today forget what we have done for the world, but then ingratitude is part of the gimme generation.

Nox

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Americans would tolerate the nonsense and give itself a self-imposed guilt trip on how we had so much and the rest of the world had so little (guess it's our fault we worked hard).

The people today forget what we have done for the world, but then ingratitude is part of the gimme generation.

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I'm sure the people of central and south america are very grateful for the US trained death squads to protect corporate interests. I'm surprised they haven't sent us a thank you card yet for the wonderful massacres. Maybe those people in Nicaragua and El Salvador are too backwards to realize that they were being butchered for their own good. Let's keep the money flowing in Columbia too. AUC needs some funds to kill those pesky peasants. It's a good thing we didn't shut down the School of Americas. We'll probably need to bring in some CIA trained "freedom fighters" to try and overthrow Chavez again in Venezuela. The guy wants to raise taxes on oil corporations. Can't be having that.

No, I don't think anyone is forgetting one bit what the US has "done for the world".

This should make the blame America first crowd happy.

And all of the repression of every individual in the entire world is the fault of the United States. It is not, I repeat, not the fault of any, I repeat, any local official in any of the countries of the world that they are oppressing their own people. It is never, I repeat, never ever the fault any other person or government in the world that their country is less than perfect. Had it not been for the evil United States, the world would be perfect because any fault in the world is singularly because of the USA.

Nox

Listen. If the US is going to arm violent corrupt armies, prop up shitty puppet governments, stir civil unrest, be the #1 seller of arms worldwide, and refuse to get rid of a "school" that is known worldwide for training violent militants and assassins while telling the world that it has to join it on a "WAR AGAINST TERRORISM"(!?), then the US is going to have to take some responsibility. If the US doesn't want to be blamed for anything, then it can cut off the money flow to places like Columbia, Israel, and Indonesia and get rid of WHISC (SOA), stop supporting shit like IMF, stop meddling in places like Venezuela, stop shitty embargos, and pretty much have a major reform of foreign policy. The US should clean up it's own act, and think twice about who it's giving money to before thinking about bombing other countries for being on some bullshit "axis of evil".

How does that go defiant? brooding slaves with bitter souls?

I say again, EVERY PROBLEM IN THE WORLD IS THE FAULT OF THE USA!

Nox

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Yes you are correct, eugenics originated in Britain with the help of the Roman Catholic Church. And you are again correct that they did not practice in the European countries. Somewhat similiar to the cigarette industry no longer running huge ads in the US... they simply went where there was less pressure against them and continued their "PRACTICE". And the Roman Catholics came to the America's and "PRACTICED" their domination of belief on the indiginant peoples. Pretty well brain washed Mexico. Never quite succeeded with the Indians... they could not get past the concept of "OWNING LAND".... And no I do not blame the Europeans..... the people who came to America were searching for ???? religious freedom and freedom from taxation....... But until 1973 it was illegal for Indians to "Practice" their own religion, even on the reservation..... Now being Indians are only 1% of the US population, they must have one hell of a belief system that the government could not eradicate it with schooling, prison, or death. And kept it illegal ...... And I won't even bring up the tax system that began in Europe and US has steadily been refining..... The only thing I can see the Europeans did not bring over or contribute to is our own original "Red Necks".... and Maybe Heavy Metal.......

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The US should clean up it's own act, and think twice about who it's giving money to before thinking about bombing other countries for being on some bullshit "axis of evil". [/B]

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You don't think our current government hasn't thought twice about the current position with the mid-east.... Seriously now, think about this..... for several years we have been helping to build a large industrial oil refinery in Capistan (I hope the spelling is close).... With a direct pipline thru Afghanistand, the US would no longer be dependent on Saudi or Iraq, etc.... Why support Israil, because they can help us with that dream and be reliable people to work with.... They understand global domination much better than a country still trying for local domination on another level.... And the bonus is we can knock off Columbia who has been sticking out like a sore thumb for too many years on it's drug dealing..... Now we have the greatest known area in the world for poppies.... the hills of Afganistand...... Now is that a bonus or what..... And you think the US dosen't think twice...... Give those Texan Red Necks some credit.....

SDR,

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for several years we have been helping to build a large industrial oil refinery in Capistan (I hope the spelling is ...
Give those Texan Red Necks some credit.....

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Isn't it quaint that you credit "those Texan Red Necks" with stuff begun under Clinton. But then attacking "those Texan Red Necks" fits in with your politics.

Something to consider...historical facts. However, what do you expect from those who believed that he "smoked but didn't inhale.

Nox

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Actually Daddy REfined Red Neck signed the deal seven months prior to the changing of the guard in January for Clinton. And since Clinton didn't inhale he never got to see the full picture of the future unfolding.... {{Clinton, one of my favorites, who with half the world asking for the pardon for Leonard Peltier for a crime even the FBI says they cannot prove, still rots in prison 27 years later but pardons a scam artist }}.... And do you know who invests a good portion of Capistan...... Check out the invested interest of the newly checked out and paid in full Enron hiarchy... And low and behold part of the religious world has recently taken a strong financial interest..... "Try reading other country online news..... gives you an earful to think about"

SDR,

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"Try reading other country online news..... gives you an earful to think about"

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My, My .... Another Biologist turned Historian.

I do look at what the rest of the world has to say on-line.

I also couple that with the BBC and French news on cable. That is when I get an earful.

While I have your eye/ear, whichever you prefer, how do you respond to the non/psuedo action taken against UBL by your hero- Billy Bubba?

Nox

Why do politically shallow people automatically assume that people who don't like the Bush family must love Clinton or Gore?

Some people need to stop assuming bullshit about others.

TheMouse,

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Why do politically shallow people automatically assume that people who don't like the Bush family must love Clinton or Gore?

Some people need to stop assuming bullshit about others.

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Since I refered to "exactly" what SDR said, "Clinton, one of my favorites,", your rude comment about "assuming" comes right back at you. As I said in another post, save your rudeness for others. Notice that I did not mention anything about reading what was written. Had I done that, it would imply that I didn't think you were open to the opinions of others.

Thank you!

Nox

P.S. "Politically shallow". Don't bet the farm on it, unless you happen to be talking about yourself. I am quite able to stand toe to toe with you any day of the week on any political topic. Not saying we'll agree, but I am quite adept politically, and that you can bet the farm on!

Nox (again)

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That was his entire quote. If you want to debate politics with someone, you need to have the ability to read everything they say instead of picking up a couple words, and DETECT OBVIOUS SARCASM

From the bottom of my heart I hope you are right about the sarcasm.

SDR, what say you?

Nox

I'm sure it was sarcasm as well.

People rarely refer to politicians as 'favourites'. In most cases, they vote - if they vote - because they don't want the other guy to end up in the office. Here is the main thought going in the head of those who stil have a little confidence in the System and haven't given up on voting: "All candidates suck. But if I don't vote for that jerk, the other jerk might end up in office, so I better vote".

Although, let's be honest, even voting doesn't prevent the 'other jerk' from becoming president. (unless the 'other jerk' is actually the jerk for whom you voted)

I mean, think of all the time you waste before the elections day; first you watch t.v to get to know the candidates, and then you waste time in traffic and in line to arrive to get to ballot box, but in the end, it's stil some coke-snorting, dumbfuck, rich, middle-aged, white, capitalist, asshole who is appointed president by the electoral office.

Go figure.


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Read Gibbon and Shirer.
Alan's assessment is correct. The Us is more the new Rome without the rather opulent carnality. If we are the new Nazi empire, I want my snazzy suit god damnit!

[/QUOTE] toe to toe [/QUOTE] has never been my favorite debating position. Usually it is mind to mind. That way one virtually tears apart each word and intent behind the word and can pick up even the most subtle of sarcasm let alone the obvious steam shovel.... Nor must one assume that I am a male.... far from it.... Actually I am a 60 year old Native American female with a political interest. And as to Billy -bubba.... while I do not believe he is couragous... neither do I believe him to be stupid... But so far I believe he did better at foreign policy, even during getting a blow job, than BBB has done with all his advisors... BBB being the nickname Britian gave him.... short for beer, baseball and barbque.....

Mouse Mouse Mouse, Please, just go visit Cambodia and see Pol Pot's point of view, then say it is "our fault" look at Cuba's Shithole State and say it's "our Fault" Look and see Wonderful Vietnam and say it's our fault. say that your freedom to say that we have a warmongering baby-killing government without fear of getting your ass kicked by the cops, getting shot by soldiers, "disappearing" forever or put into a labor camp is our fault. Mouse, just immigrate to these countries you say we have no business meddling with and spout the same mealy-mouthed university student crap that you dream up. We don't make you attend Political classes, we don't shoot you because you got caught carrying drugs, we don't have cops that shoot you in the face because you spit on them for no reason other then you want yourself on TV. When you demonstrate against foreign policy, did the Army run you down with tanks? no I thought not. Going to these countries and seeing the shit they do on a daily basis makes you appreciate how lucky your worthless ass is to be born in this great nation of ours.

Now to the Euro Trash that called us Nazi Germany, As i recall, we had to save your asses, twice as a matter of fact, from getting a royal shellacking from Germany itself, TWICE!!!!!!!!!!! and you burn our flag, then, after we saved you the latest time, we provide you with money to get you back on your feet because you were nearly beaten. Be grateful that we even gave you any money, let alone saved your ass from Goose-stepping assholes and spike-helmeted wearing morons shouting Sieg Hiel and Long live the Kaiser. British Airways uses our jets, are resturants and clotes flood your stores, and our tiny navy stomped you when you "Ruled the Waves" and we beat you into submission when you were arguably the most powerful nation on earth.

SDR,

The "toe to toe" was directed at TheMouse not you.

The specific "mind to mind" question to you, is: Is this sarcasm?

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Nox

hp,

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I mean, think of all the time you waste before the elections day; first you watch t.v to get to know the candidates, and then you waste time in traffic and in line to arrive to get to ballot box, but in the end, it's stil some coke-snorting, dumbfuck, rich, middle-aged, white, capitalist, asshole who is appointed president by the electoral office.


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I suggest you look at the recount numbers as counted by the various "conservative" Florida newspapers.

Nox

i will admit i disliked clinton, first for not admitting he did get high.

second, he gave the world the perception they have of us, every time some controversy came up, there was some limited military action overseas that was hardly successful and never seen fully through.

third, i could give a shit if he got a blow job from an intern, an intelligent man would've wondered what the fuck is up with some chick whose not going to wash the semen stain off her shirt and go from the oval office home with a big ol' splooge stain on her dress. but the fact that he came on national television and denied the incident, swore not only under oath, but under penalty of law, that nothing ever happened.

call me crazy, but i expect a little more from the person i call the leader of my country, not only responsibility but respectability and culpability when there are today people sitting in jail for lying on the stand.

an immoral and dishonest man in a disfunctional family was the perfect fit for the leader of america in the 90's.

so to clarify hp's statement.

"it's stil some coke-snorting" at least he admits it, i love the boil he got the day after the election, you know he snorted a huge rail and said i'm the fucking president. i get facial blemishes too from the increased amount of oil and sweat on my face when i tweak.

"dumbfuck", so he fumbles on a few words, who doesn't, he relates exceptionally well to people on a personal level, shedding that tear while addressing the families of the first casualties in the war on terrorism of his remorse and regret at their loss was pure sincerity that came out beautifully from a guy who previously was talking as tough as wwf wrestler.

and look at the people he chose to advise him, dick cheney and colin powell, two of the most respected and admired people in washington despite party affiliation, which is why the democrats had to attack cheney's health, because they couldn't attack anything else, even though it made them look foolish because at the same time they support strom thurmond, whose mental faculties or lack there of have popped up in the news from time to time.

which reminds me of another funny thing that made democrats look foolish, when they all jumped on the what did he know and when did he know it bandwagon, when hilary clinton demanded an answer for the people of america and especially the victims in new york it is revealed the memo was written during her husbands presidency, and he never would've known about it because he never went over his intelligence briefings.

all of a sudden it was dropped, and any claim that the president knew something but did nothing was quickly spun as not questioning the integrity of the current president.

"rich", i would prefer somebody successful running the country as compared to a homeless bum, just because showed ANYbody can be president, doesn't mean everybody could.

it has been said his success is because of his father, although it did give him a start in life, he built his wealth all on his own.

"middle-aged", i would also prefer somebody whose lived a little bit in the world as opposed to some teenangster fresh out of college.

"white", i didn't know gore was black? and in case you didn't know white men are in reality a minority in america according to the census, which means every race and sex is voting white male, perhaps when a black man who isn't affiliated with religion runs he may win, i'm speaking of course of the REVEREND jesse jackson, and the REVEREND al sharpton, democrats criticized bush's choice of attorney general because of his staunch religious beliefs, but have no problem supporting an ordained minister?

"capitalist", call me crazy again, but who better to head a capitalist economy, perhaps youd've favored a communist, socialist, or fascist.

"asshole" didn't know you knew him personally.

now i'm going to get flack from teenangsters like mouse who think i support bush in whatever he does.

bullshit, i supported him wholeheartedly in this war on terrorism, but now when he start pussyfootin around, cowering to saudi arabia, and looking the other way in pakistan.

that pisses me off.

and some of you europeans need to lay off the war mongering rhetoric when it is apparent your current neutrality is based on the fact that islam is the second major religion in europe and you're afraid of inciting the militants that live within europe, which is why a lot of european nations have started imposing restrictions on immigration, especially young middle eastern men.

"first you watch t.v to get to know the candidates, and then you waste time in traffic and in line to arrive to get to ballot box"

if only that were true hp,

first they bitch when friends is on late because of a presidential debate and turn the channel.

then they use the vote as an excuse to get out of work for a while with no questions asked,

then when they reach the ballot box, they have no idea of the positions held by any candidate, they just the names, or at least the 2 major ones.

and i was against the electoral college just as you are now and for the same reason, until bush got elected and i realized that it does better serve the country, or american policy and legislation would reflect new york, florida, texas and california.

sure the majority of people voted for gore,

but the majority of states as a whole supported bush.

i wish people would take the time to investigate the people they choose to lead the country,

most people pay no mind to a candidates policies or you would've realized that clintons decriminilization platform he ran on in 1992 which would've put non-violent drug offenders in an addiction evaluation instead of jail, never saw legislation his first four years but did influence the policies in states like california and arizona, then in 1996 he changed his tune completely aroud to zero tolerance, 3 strikes and you're out, because the republicans were accusing him o being soft on crime.

which to an indifferent, uncaring mass called society is a great platform to run on, i'm going to clean up the streets, keep kids off of drugs, and make your neighborhoods safe again for your children to play in.

when i was busted for possession my parents didn't even know what marijuana looked like, my work tried employing random drug testing til i convinced them otherwise because my boss was under the impression and told by the insurance company who would've lowered the rates for implementing this that its like an alcohol test and if you test positive you are currently high.

this is the american public i know and see everyday, completely critical of the government they elected, and completely ignorant of the policies they support.

i know a girl who will only vote for women, people who will only vote republican or democrat despite contradiction in ideals.

people who say our government is fucked when it is chosen by the people need to look in the mirror,

despite large campaign contributions, and corporations who back them,

it is still each and every one of us(over the age of 18) who put them in office and allowed them to implement the policies we object to.

remember the next time you vote that a year later you are getting what you wanted, or at least what the majority wanted.

by the way i didn't vote for president because i didn't think either of them fully represented my ideals. you don't have to vote just to vote for somebody, not voting on a particular position is a vote as well.

which i admit makes me consent to popular opinion, but i won't complain about the government, i'll complain about the ignorance in society like my parents, and my boss, and hp, and mouse who can't see the forest for the trees.

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Mouse Mouse Mouse, Please, just go visit Cambodia and see Pol Pot's point of view, then say it is "our fault" look at Cuba's Shithole State and say it's "our Fault" Look and see Wonderful Vietnam and say it's our fault.

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US supported Pol Pot for a decade! The Kissinger-Nixon Posse were doing secret bombings in Cambodia before the Khmer Rouge came into power even! We went to a completely pointless war in Vietnam and killed all those peopel.. for what?? We imposed an embargo against Cuba and repeatedly tried to overthrow Castro even when he DID have popular support.. just because we were buddies with some gangsters and corporations who got pissy about being kicked out!

http://www.chss.montclair.edu/english/furr/pol/pilgerpolpotnus.pdf

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Recount means shit when people in Florida were illegally knocked off the voting roster.


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Let's look at the noble US foreign policy in the middle east!

1949: CIA backs military coup deposing elected government of Syria

1953: CIA helps overthrow the democratically‑elected Mossadeq government in Iran (which had nationalized the British oil company) leading to a quarter‑century of repressive and dictatorial rule by the Shah, Mohammed Reza Pahlevi.

1963: U.S. supports coup by Iraqi Ba'ath party (soon to be headed by Saddam Hussein) and reportedly gives them names of communists to murder, which they do with vigor.

1967‑: U.S. blocks any effort in the Security Council to enforce SC Resolution 242, calling for Israeli withdrawal from territories occupied in the 1967 war.

1973‑75: U.S. supports Kurdish rebels in Iraq. When Iran reaches an agreement with Iraq in 1975 and seals the border, Iraq slaughters Kurds and U.S. denies them refuge. Kissinger secretly explains that "covert action should not be confused with missionary work."

1975: U.S. vetoes Security Council resolution condemning Israeli attacks on Palestinian refugee camps in Lebanon.

1978‑79: Iranians begin demonstrations against the Shah. U.S. tells Shah it supports him "without reservation" and urges him to act forcefully. Until the last minute, U.S. tries to organize military coup to save the Shah, but to no avail.

1980‑88: Iran‑Iraq war. When Iraq invades Iran, the U.S. opposes any Security Council action to condemn the invasion. U.S. soon removes Iraq from its list of nations supporting terrorism and allows U.S. arms to be transferred to Iraq. At the same time, U.S. lets Israel provide arms to Iran and in 1985 U.S. provides arms directly (though secretly) to Iran. U.S. provides intelligence information to Iraq. Iraq uses chemical weapons in 1984; U.S. restores diplomatic relations with Iraq. 1987 U.S. sends its navy into the Persian Gulf, taking Iraq's side; an overly‑aggressive U.S. ship shoots down an Iranian civilian airliner, killing 290.

1981, 1986: U.S. holds military maneuvers off the coast of Libya in waters claimed by Libya with the clear purpose of provoking Qaddafi. In 1981, a Libyan plane fires a missile and U.S. shoots down two Libyan planes. In 1986, Libya fires missiles that land far from any target and U.S. attacks Libyan patrol boats, killing 72, and shore installations. When a bomb goes off in a Berlin nightclub, killing three, the U.S. charges that Qaddafi was behind it (possibly true) and conducts major bombing raids in Libya, killing dozens of civilians, including Qaddafi's adopted daughter

1982: U.S. gives "green light" to Israeli invasion of Lebanon, killing some 17 thousand civilians. U.S. chooses not to invoke its laws prohibiting Israeli use of U.S. weapons except in self‑defense. U.S. vetoes several Security Council resolutions condemning the invasion.

1987-92: U.S. arms used by Israel to repress first Palestinian Intifada. U.S. vetoes five Security Council resolution condemning Israeli repression.

1988: Saddam Hussein kills many thousands of his own Kurdish population and uses chemical weapons against them. The U.S. increases its economic ties to Iraq.

1988: U.S. vetoes 3 Security Council resolutions condemning continuing Israeli occupation of and repression in Lebanon.

1990‑91: U.S. rejects any diplomatic settlement of the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait (for example, rebuffing any attempt to link the two regional occupations, of Kuwait and of Palestine). U.S. leads international coalition in war against Iraq. Civilian infrastructure targeted. To promote "stability" U.S. refuses to aid post‑war uprisings by Shi'ites in the south and Kurds in the north, denying the rebels access to captured Iraqi weapons and refusing to prohibit Iraqi helicopter flights

1991‑: Devastating economic sanctions are imposed on Iraq. U.S. and Britain block all attempts to lift them. Hundreds of thousands die. Though Security Council had stated that sanctions were to be lifted once Saddam Hussein's programs to develop weapons of mass destruction were ended, Washington makes it known that the sanctions would remain as long as Saddam remains in power. Sanctions in fact strengthen Saddam's position. Asked about the horrendous human consequences of the sanctions, Madeleine Albright (U.S. ambassador to the UN and later Secretary of State) declares that "the price is worth it."

1991-: U.S. forces permanently based in Saudi Arabia.

1993‑: U.S. launches missile attack on Iraq, claiming self‑defense against an alleged assassination attempt on former president Bush two months earlier.

1998: U.S. and U.K. bomb Iraq over the issue of weapons inspections, even though Security Council is just then meeting to discuss the matter.

Besides that, then we have the entire central and south american foreign policy! Pinochet! CIA backed death squads! School of Assassins! It's fucking great! You don't fucking hand guns, training, and money to mass murderers then say that it's only the murderers fault and not yourself, do you?

TheMouse,

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Originally posted by TheMouse:
Recount means shit when people in Florida were illegally knocked off the voting roster.

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Absolutely, positively, totally, completely, and unquestionably true. Just ask the members of the United States military.

Nox

yes, i do.

perhaps we should imprison chemistry teachers who teach about explosive chemicals.

maybe we should ban chemistry, or at least the dangerous chemicals, which would be all of them.

how about this, a murderer who has a hunter education certificate, how about we try his instructor for showing him the proper and safe way to handle a firearm.

how about we execute the parole board for letting dangerous people back into society when the ex-cons strike again.

how about we lose the politically correct attitude that your actions are the result of and therefore the direct responsibility of others,

and put blame where blame is due,

on the one committing the act.

just like you did in your assumptions post, it's so easy to point the finger isn't it.

this wouldn't have happened, if they wouldn't have done this.

that can apply to anything.

jeffrey dahmer wouldn't have eaten those people if his parents didn't have sex the night he was concieved,

maybe we should imprison them as accomplices prior to the fact.

there would be no traffic casualties if we didn't drive.

damn, why didn't henry ford think of that.

he should've known his creation could be used in a way that would cause harm.

i suppose if we didn't give them guns these "mass murderers" would not have killed with, say a baseball bat.

you're one of those nuts who thinks tobacco companies owe smokers money for their health problems,

despite the fact it's common knowledge.

is there anything you do in life that you take responsibility for?

that must be why you have to go not only out of town, but out of country to find someone who will marry you.

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you're one of those nuts who thinks tobacco companies owe smokers money for their health problems,

despite the fact it's common knowledge.

is there anything you do in life that you take responsibility for?

that must be why you have to go not only out of town, but out of country to find someone who will marry you.

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There you go again Lost.. shitty assumption based debating and personal attacks. No, I don't give a crap about smoking. If you smoke you take the risk.

HOWEVER. There is a huge difference between arming someone and having NO CLUE what they were going to do with the weapons, then stopping the aid after hearing about what is going on versus arming someone KNOWING what they are going to do with the weapons because your government backs their actions for whatever purpose, MOST OFTEN oil/money purposes. But go ahead, keep trying to spin the US out of all guilt.