>>>>>What I find hard to believe is your blanket denial of cultural and sociological effects on black people...<<<<

I didnt deny anything, no one has even brought up Black culture.

>>>>...considering you have attempted to attribute all white examples of promiscuity to cultural and sociological factors.<<<<

Not all, but the bulk. Some people are just naturally primitive, no doubt, but the newer the race, the less this occurs. Why do you think evolution stopped its laws once people came onto the scene?

>>>>If we're going to argue over the importance of genetic versus cultural and sociogical factors in determining sexual behaviour, lets at least treat races equally.<<<<

Ok. Black people, when in a White culture, act a little more monogamous, but it is not their culture and they are admittedly uncomfortable in it. In cultures created by and for Black people, the monogamous tendency is not as strong as among Whites. Whenever the dominant white culture loses its grip on black people, as was the case in American ghettos, in Brazil, in African countries once ruled by Whites, etc, the black guy that culture was repressing reappears, still promiscuous.

>>>>It is simply impossible to argue that the propensity of one race towards promiscuity is determined by "repression", and yet the tendency of another race is innate.<<<<

No its not. Christianity is not a White thing, and does not work according to White nature. Therefore, when White people, after being soaked in it, act in all sorts of pathological and disgusting ways, it is not because of their nature, but because they were traumatized and fucked up. Black people did not have repressive cultures that make them act out in weird ways, their cultures were just slutty.

A strong sex drive is natural for all human races. The only thing keeping up the culture (and illusions) of monogamy in western culture was a strong anti-sex tradition with punishment (or ostracism) of people who don't comply. That strong ancient anti-sex Christian tradition is breaking down now and people are being more open about not living the average monogamous lifestyle. More and more people are beginning to say that they aren't ready for marriage or don't want it. Before meeting my fiance, I had many sex partners that I had no interest in having a relationship with.

You're obsessed with trying to paint all black men as beasts because of sex, but how do you feel about black women? Are you going to try to say that they don't want stable relationships, that their hearts don't get broken, that they don't have feelings, intelligence, and dreams?

No one is without knowledge except him who asks no questions. - Central Africa (Fulfulde)

Work and you will be strong: sit and you will stink. - Morocco

Knowledge is like a garden: if it is not cultivated, it cannot be harvested. - Guinea

Character is power. -Booker T. Washington, African-American educator (b.1856)

Hold fast to dreams, for if dreams die, life is a broken winged bird that cannot fly. -Langston Hughes, African-American poet (b. 1902)

How far you go in life depends on your being tender with the young, compassionate with the aged, sympathetic with the striving, and tolerant of the weak and strong. Because some day in life you will have been all these. -George Washington Carver, African-American scientist (b.1864)

I can do something else besides stuff a ball through a hoop. My biggest resource is my mind. -Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, African -American professional basketball player (b.1947)

Character is what you know you are, not what others think you have. -Marva Collins, African- American educator

I feel that the most important requirement in success is learning to overcome failure. You must learn to tolerate it, but never accept it. -Reggie Jackson, African-American baseball player (b.1933)

To me, we must learn to spell the word RESPECT. We must respect the rights and properties of our fellowman. And then learn to play the game of life, as well as the game of athletics, according to the rules of society. If you can take that and put it into practice in the community in which you live, then, to me you have won the greatest championship. -Jesse Owens, African-American Olympic Champion

Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity. -Martin Luther King, African- American civil rights leader

>>>>>>A strong sex drive is natural for all human races. The only thing keeping up the culture (and illusions) of monogamy in western culture was a strong anti-sex tradition with punishment (or ostracism) of people who don't comply.<<<<<

Unless the tendency was already inherent, there would be no cultural call to be monogamous. Such cultural ideals do not exist in many non-white cultures, because the people who built the culture had no interest in monogamy. White people, however, did.

>>>> That strong ancient anti-sex Christian tradition is breaking down now and people are being more open about not living the average monogamous lifestyle.<<<<

Thats your nice way of saying, people are expressing a repressed drive. Dont you understand the nature of repression? When the behavior returns, it is not in its balanced, normal state like before repression, it explodes in the direction of absolute indulgence. Things will set themselves right again.

>>>> More and more people are beginning to say that they aren't ready for marriage or don't want it.<<<<<

Those people usually fit a psychological profile consistent with an aberrant group either traumatised or neglected. Natural societies not to wound and alienate their people, and the people in turn, acted more according to their natural plan.


>>>>You're obsessed with trying to paint all black men as beasts because of sex,<<<<

Not just sex, just about everything makes black people look like animals.

>>>>but how do you feel about black women?<<<

LoL, I dont. They are real fuckin ugly though.

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I don't believe people have stopped evolving

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Christianity is not a White thing, and does not work according to White nature.

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So which non-white people created it? And why do the majority of white people identify themselves as Christian, or believe in the Christian god?

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it is not because of their nature, but because they were traumatized and fucked up.

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So, lemme get this straight. White people are traumatised and fucked up because they believe in Christianity. Black people are totally unaffected by famine, war etc. and their promiscuity us totally unrelated to these factors.


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Yup.. the poor little white people are traumatized by Christianity, but black people are just acting out their "innate" behavior in the midst of war, famine, repression, poverty, and dealing with fucktwats like Spirit who spew shit like this about them.

I also happen to think that many black women are beautiful, so fuck you. My best friend and her twin sister in junior high and early high school were straight A students in the honor society, and black. The only difference between myself and them is that they were better students. If anyone is ugly, it's you.

Why can't people just get over the fact that the races are different, end of story.

Maybe because it's not a fact? Cultures are different. Races? Pfft. Not according to my personal experiences at all. Not according to what I gather from reading articles, essays, books, poetry, and art from black people. Not according to the black people who succeed in our society against overwhelming odds. Maybe according to a bunch of ignorant people who don't bother to get to know many people of other races at all, but who am I going to trust more? My personal experience or some blokes on the internet who could be teenagers that have never talked to a black person in their life for all I know? This guy offers no links and proof, just ridiculous assumptions that could have been pasted from any neo-nazi website. I've given links of black inventors and scientists. All I hear in return are excuses, excuses, excuses.

Fuck Nazi Sympathy

Those same sites probably say Ancient Egypt was a black thing. Other dicks say Beethoven was black. My afrocentric nigger history teacher in tenth grade had a game called Black-o that taught you Blacks invented the wagon in the 18th century. What these people say is irrelevant. The fact remains, in black cultures created by black people for black people, nothing was invented. Not even a wheel.
Of course poverty, famine, etc have an effect on blacks. But the fact is, they werent always suffering from poverty and famine, but they were still slutty and ignorant savages. Its not like until 60 years ago, they were our equals, then the nigger-sty Africa is now ruined them. Africa is the way it is because of Africans. LoL, The trouble with Africa is that its full of Africans.
White people, conversely, have a history that reflects their ingenuity, will power, communal strength, individual strength, and wisdom. They were different in the past from the shit they have become. That change is clearly marked in history as Christianity. See the difference? Black people ate bugs and lined up to fuck each other before their present problems. White people were proud, independent, strong, intelligent and inquisirive. Then a nature foreign to their own was introduced. Get it?

Nope.. you're still spewing the same crap. You don't bother to read any link I gave you, probably because to see anything that conflicts with your world view would make your brain explode.

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Maybe because it's not a fact? Cultures are different. Races? Pfft. Not according to my personal experiences at all. Not according to what I gather from reading articles, essays, books, poetry, and art from black people. Not according to the black people who succeed in our society against overwhelming odds. Maybe according to a bunch of ignorant people who don't bother to get to know many people of other races at all, but who am I going to trust more? My personal experience or some blokes on the internet who could be teenagers that have never talked to a black person in their life for all I know? This guy offers no links and proof, just ridiculous assumptions that could have been pasted from any neo-nazi website. I've given links of black inventors and scientists. All I hear in return are excuses, excuses, excuses.

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and i've given you a link which shows black people inventing a couple of neat little things that made a few peoples lives better. And all those people were educated or born in america, NOT in africa.

As for races not being different, where'd that come from, all you've got to do is compare a coloured person with a white person, the evidence is right in front of you. Don't be scared the politically correct will hunt you down.

Give me a reason why the races aren't different.

You mean these
http://inventors.about.com/library/inventors/blcarruthers.htm http://inventors.about.com/library/inventors/blchappelle.htm http://inventors.about.com/library/inventors/bldrew.htm http://inventors.about.com/library/inventors/bldean_moeller.htm http://inventors.about.com/library/inventors/blgourdine.htm http://inventors.about.com/library/inventors/bljennings.htm http://inventors.about.com/library/inventors/blcortisone.htm http://www.princeton.edu/~mcbrown/display/faces.html

I only went to the top one, George Carruthers and he didn't invent anything really amazing. He was born and educated in America. Like i've (and defiant) said before, all black inventors have been educated in America, and haven't made a huge contribution. How much had the native africans invented before the white man entered the scene, mud huts and spears.

I havent clicked them cause it will be a waste of time, especially since I can see from the names in the links that they are all American. They have English last names dude, that means they are from the South.

Ok, Im clicking around the links now, and that guy they credit with the cortisone crap, if you click the other names down there, theres a whiter than white guy who worked with him. LoL I bet the negro just took down notes and took out the garbage lol

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The color of the skin? I am white. I hung out with black people. My best friends in junior and high school were black straight A honor's society girls. I read books by black people and many essays in journals I read about sciences, sociology, and psychology are by BLACK people. What is the evidence again???

Those were only a few links Spirit. Read the rest.. all of them. Do some honest research with an open mind. Read some black literature and essays. Stop being willfully ignorant. Right now your excuses were "they were white" or "it was lies.. a white person did it" or .. "well they might have done that.. but like.. they didn't invent the huge stuff". You guys are so brainwashed to the core that you can't even look at real evidence without making stupid nazi apologist statements.

Physical and mental characteristics just make races into different 'breeds' of human. I am not saying there are no smart blacks or no promiscuous whites, but I am saying humans DO have different breeds.

>>>>Those were only a few links Spirit. Read the rest.. all of them.<<<<

They have names that reflect American ancestry, which means white culture and significant caucasoid racial infusion. Also, they are too general and unreliable, it does not mention that they probably worked with collaboratorers, at a university lab, a corporation, etc. I had to find that out with my own research.

>>>> Right now your excuses were "they were white" or "it was lies.. a white person did it" or .. "well they might have done that.. but like.. they didn't invent the huge stuff". You guys are so brainwashed to the core that you can't even look at real evidence without making stupid nazi apologist statements.<<<<

No, you made it sound like your evidence was the end of the argument and would resolve any question we had in our minds concerning negro uninventiveness. But the links just show a bunch of American blacks in the pay of corporations or major labs, with teams of other, most likely not black, scientists. That proves nothing. History, popular consensus, logic, and vision tell me negroes are not a curious, inventive lot. The fact remains that in cultures designed by blacks, to serve blacks, there was no science or faustian anything. You have not, nor can you ever, disprove this.

"Cultures are different. Races? Pfft. Not according to my personal experiences at all."

Which amount to what? What statistical studies have you ever done? What in-depth psycological profiling have you ever done?

"Not according to what I gather from reading articles, essays, books, poetry, and art from black people."

Now theres a suprise... How about this, read an article by a paedophile and the child is always willing. Read an article by a murderer and they are almost always innocent/justified. So read an article bya negro...

"Not according to the black people who succeed in our society against overwhelming odds."

The only odds theyre going against is their genetic predisposition to sloth, promiscuity and low intelligence.

"Maybe according to a bunch of ignorant people who don't bother to get to know many people of other races at all"

Who are you to decide wether im ignorant or not? I was brought up in a predominantly black area and have seen first hand negro stupidity and destructiveness. But regardless of that, why would it have been necessary for me to know black individuals first, before forming an opinion about the black race in general? I wouldnt need to meet a mathematician to find out that 1+1=2.

"This guy offers no links and proof, just ridiculous assumptions that could have been pasted from any neo-nazi website."

Why the hell are you asking for links if you yourself just said anything neo-nazi (read: racialist) you consider ridiculous? If your really interested do a search yourself, theres plenty of info out there. Try starting with Miller's "paternal provisioning vs mate-seeking". I dont agree with it all but its as good a place to start as any.

"I've given links of black inventors and scientists."

Not a one of whom would have been at all notable if he were white. Even though all those inventors had white blood in them, they are still only famous for BEING 'black inventors'.

"fuck nazi sympathy"

Fuck this liberal-socialist mess that has destroyed our self-esteem, ruined our nations, brainwashed our people and is killing our race through miscegenation.

All people that stil bitch about superiority of races are primitive idiots.

Inventions are not necesserely invented by smart people. The're invented by those with will-power to work on the invention and by those with necessity to invent the inventions.

During war times, for example, the scientists are forced to work around the clock to come up with new methods to kill people. Does that make their race any smarter? Not likely.

During the space-race, both the Soviets and the Yanks poured billions of dollars into their space project. Eventualy, they both came up with amazing reluts which once seemed unattainable. Did that make the people in the USSR or the USA (both homogeneous countries) any smarter? Nope. Don't think so either.

The fact that the Africans came up with less inventions than the Whites (although it's quite hard to establish which of the inventions are significant to our society, and which of the inventions are a curse to the main kind) doesn't mean the're dumber. I guess they had no desire in inventing stuff, that's all.

Frankly, I much rather spend my days on a tropical paradise, then be locked in some lab trying to invent stuff.

Besides, as already mentioned above, it's kind of hard to determne which of the inventions carries more weight. The whole concept of agriculture, for example, was introduced everywhere across the world before it made it's way to Europe, as opposed to the electronic revolution which started in the Western World. So what's a bigger invention in your opinion, agriculture - which took thousands of years to graps it's fundamentals - or the modern inventions related to the electornic age (i.e. computers, TVs)? Your call.

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH yeah fuck me for hating Nazis! Oh no! Your precious race! Get a fucking life.

I know there's no difference because, as I said before, I had very close black friends in high school and some black teachers. My driving instructor was black. He was a fucking great guy too.

Here's a hint. If you're so concerned about your precious white race, go down to the deep south or something where the literacy rate and education level is the lowest in the country, and start some damn literacy programs for those trailor kids. Give those white teenagers who keep getting knocked up a pack of condoms and birth control information. Do something useful and positive instead of trying to knock everyone else down and making yourself look retarded in the meantime.

>>>>All people that stil bitch about superiority of races are primitive idiots.<<<

No theyre not.

>>>>Inventions are not necesserely invented by smart people. The're invented by those with will-power to work on the invention and by those with necessity to invent the inventions.<<<

You left out the important element of, inventiveness and imagination. Obviously a negro never needed something to cope with ice, but that doesnt mean he ever adequately invented anything to cope with things like disease or constant tribal wars, which he could have used.

>>>>During war times, for example, the scientists are forced to work around the clock to come up with new methods to kill people. Does that make their race any smarter? Not likely.<<<<

Yes. Negroes could be given around the clock too, they wouldnt come up with anything.

>>>>During the space-race, both the Soviets and the Yanks poured billions of dollars into their space project. Eventualy, they both came up with amazing reluts which once seemed unattainable. Did that make the people in the USSR or the USA (both homogeneous countries) any smarter? Nope. Don't think so either.<<<

Yes...now they know about space stuff and plastics...super-computers, that gnarly freeze dried ice cream, etc.

>>>The fact that the Africans came up with less inventions than the Whites (although it's quite hard to establish which of the inventions are significant to our society, and which of the inventions are a curse to the main kind) doesn't mean the're dumber. I guess they had no desire in inventing stuff, that's all.<<<<

...exactly. They are not curious. That is a sign of stupidity.

>>>Frankly, I much rather spend my days on a tropical paradise, then be locked in some lab trying to invent stuff.<<<

...And?

>>>>Besides, as already mentioned above, it's kind of hard to determne which of the inventions carries more weight. The whole concept of agriculture, for example, was introduced everywhere across the world before it made it's way to Europe, as opposed to the electronic revolution which started in the Western World. So what's a bigger invention in your opinion, agriculture - which took thousands of years to graps it's fundamentals - or the modern inventions related to the electornic age (i.e. computers, TVs)? Your call.<<<<

White people still invented it, its just that back then, Europe was a big block of ice, so they lived elsewhere, and farming in Europe would have been impossible. It would be impossible, also, to spread the knowledge of agriculture beyond the one travelling race of people who created it, because there was no communications.


"Fuck this liberal-socialist mess that has destroyed our self-esteem, ruined our nations, brainwashed our people and is killing our race through miscegenation."

>>>HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH yeah fuck me for hating Nazis! Oh no! Your precious race! Get a fucking life.<<<<

Wishing to see his own kind succeed seems like more of a life than "hating Nazi's". considering there is no Naziism left to fight, but there are White people left to be concerned for. At least his cause is natural.

>>>>I know there's no difference because, as I said before, I had very close black friends in high school and some black teachers. My driving instructor was black. He was a fucking great guy too. <<<

...Oh, in that case, the idea of the effect of genetics on intelligence and personality must all be false.

>>>>Here's a hint. If you're so concerned about your precious white race, go down to the deep south or something where the literacy rate and education level is the lowest in the country, and start some damn literacy programs<<<<<

A lot of Southern illiteracy is from the blacks in places like Little Rock. Dont kid yourself.

>>>>>>> Give those white teenagers who keep getting knocked up a pack of condoms and birth control information. Do something useful<<<<<

yeah. If youre concerned about white people ceasing to exist, "do somehting useful" and stop white kids from being born.
What the fuck are you talking asshole?

>>>>and positive instead of trying to knock everyone else down<<<

He didnt mention everyone, just the negroes we had been discussing for a while. It sounds more to me like he is concerned for the positive aspects of his own people, and cares about how useless blacks are only insofar as it puts his own people in perspective.

2000 years ago, the Romans could have written about the inherent stupidity of the Nordic races, a primitive group of barbarians who had failed to progress beyond tribalism, had no discernible cultural values and appeared to have an innate inability to invent anything of any use.

They would have been as right as you are...

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>>>>2000 years ago, the Romans could have written about the inherent stupidity of the Nordic races,<<<

The Romans were Nordic...

>>>> a primitive group of barbarians who had failed to progress beyond tribalism,<<<<

You obviously didnt read my ideas concerning free society and racial seperation. Romans only had civilization because they were Nordic AND lived side by side with non-Nordics. Germanic tribes didn't. Unlike the small and low-headed dusky Plebian people of the Italian peninsula, the Germans would not be enslaved by a Caesar, would not kill themselves to build halls of marble, etc etc. They had no need of Empire because they were free, responsible, and powerful enough to do all the things an Empire could do without one.

>>>>had no discernible cultural values<<<

A lot of what people think of the German "barbarian" comes from residual Roman propaganda; Roman historians admired Germanic bravery and respect for chastity, for example.

>>>>and appeared to have an innate inability to invent anything of any use.<<<<

They were the first among Europeans in the Roman world to use soap. And their weapons and warfare tactics were quite useful. Their naval power is usually overlooked as well, Caesar praised the naval prestige of his adversaries in the English channel. Evidence is overwhelming that Celts, before Roman times, were established in the Americas.

No the reasons the germans did not build a civilization was because they had not advanced to the point necessary for division of labor with their land.

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I thought they were from the Mediterranean region, with their racial origins linked to regions of Asia. Of course, they may have assimilated a few Nordic tribes along the way... rather like the Western World seems to have picked up rather a large number of blacks.

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A lot of what you think of black African tribes comes from residual colonial propaganda. Besides, the Germanic tribes had little influence on the Romans, the most powerful and civilised society in Europe at the time. A lot less cultural influence than black people have on today's Europe.

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They were the first among Europeans in the Roman world to use soap. And their weapons and warfare tactics were quite useful. Their naval power is usually overlooked as well, Caesar praised the naval prestige of his adversaries in the English channel. Evidence is overwhelming that Celts, before Roman times, were established in the Americas.

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Not what I call an impressive list of "inventions", considering that the Romans could arguably better each one, having better weapons, better standards of hygiene and being a generally more curious people (they may not have visited the Americas but they explored and conquered a vast amout of land to the south and east). The legacy they left to the world was no more than the legacy modern-day Africa will leave to the world.


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