heh, doesnt matter wether the labor force is sentient or not, deprive them of alternatives and they'll breed into the groove- anyone smart enough leaves.

It takes human compassion to break something like this, cause if its done for a profit they'll end up with the same fate, just different treatment.

dissagre.

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Spoken like somone with no sence of wonder or exploration. Are you unable to comprehend the great works and discoveries that could be made by such a humanity?

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Oh no, we fully comprehend the greatness that is possible. We just don't have the time to personally oversee it and are very reluctant to entrust the task to the assholes.

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A non scentient labour force might seem like a freightning idea but its no different than using herding dogs, or riding horses.

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I was picturing them as human looking just to keep this topic interesting.

Picture a delivery man herding about a dozen of them onto a mini-bus for delivery to the suburbs. Housewives have called in the previous day to report a warranty situation with their servant. Most of them, at the end of their conversation with the branch manager, in somewhat hushed tones, added a special request that their replacement have a somewhat larger cock. The men, when they call in make requests about the price of the
optional felatio package for their maids. It consists of removable teeth, larger range of jaw movement and a choice of 1) a second tongue or 2) the newly patented 'octopuss gums'. All discretely billed as 'advanced dishwashing option' on the monthly statement.

The dildo delivery man always alters his route to ensure that the females are delivered last so he can perform a final quality check before they are delivered to the customer... every job has its perks.

lol, generaly they wouldn't be smart enough to be a maid. the fact is the only thing you could do with a nonscentient being would be assembly line work and even then it couldn't be to complicated. The best paralel for any kind of disturbing sexual use would be fucking a monkey and Im pretty sure thats not currently a general practice.

Bullshit. In order to make a wise decision regarding the use of genetic engineering, the worst horrors have to be realized with as much effort as the greatness that is contemplated.

To be ever-faithful in your government/corporate leaders ability to act in your best interest is short-sighted and dangerous.

"The meek shall inherit nothing" - Zappa

What part of the title of this topic leads you to belive that I have faith in my governments ability to make decisions about this. I do not trust corporations to act in my best intrest I trust them to act in their own best interest which thereby furthers my interests.

Your initial post states that you're pissed at the gov for impeding the research.

If they were not, would you post something to the effect that they were incapable of managing it?

No doubt the current administration is made up of (and/or controlled by) rabid, brain-worm infested circus clowns. The fact that they can't comprehend the big picture is a blessing in disguise.

If they were not interfering I would not complain that they were interfering.

Alan, do you have a soul?

Seeing As how I do not know If the Soul exists I cannot answer that question.

Isn't that the capital of South Korea?

smithee, i think you let me down on this one.

if you're talking about cloning a heart or shit like that, i'm all for it.

but the cloning of humans?

what benefit would that serve, isn't unemployment high enough?

would a cloned human be entitled to the same rights as a naturally born one?

who would decide? the claim could be made, these could be our soldiers so your children wouldn't have to die,

why should they have to?

would the freedom to become the person they want to be, or would they be locked in science room somewhere having experiments done to him/her.

i almost put "it", it shows how desensitised i've even become to the fact that they are still human beings.

if terrorists can get the bomb, as everyone is sure of,

how long til they start "growin" suicide bombers,

by the millions, with a neverending supply.

we don't even know how to treat each other properly yet.

mankind is too immature yet in nature to handle the technology of creating living beings, who being human, although not "born" in the traditional sense for them to still have inalienable human rights.

blacks and women were born and didn't have inaleinable human rights until they fought for them.

now you've got the basis for a war between man and clones,

by a clone who wants his freedom, learns how to do it, and mass produces people by the billions, to fight for their right to be free like the "naturals" as we'll come to be known, naturals and artificials.

politicians may not have the right to dictate the course of science,

but i think most are aware enough of the human animal, to know what science is best for the people.

if there are aliens and government knows, i support them not telling us, as we are not ready yet.

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Fuck that noise.

I don't want those greedy idiot whores deciding what is best for me without my knowledge. Go back and re-read your post previous to this one. You must have forgotten what you wrote in the two minutes it took to spew this statement.

As I said before lost anything which is sentient is entitleted to the rights of man. the pourpose of genetic alteration is to bring about what would take millions of years through evolution and natural selection.

I'm all for putting the philosophers in charge, after all, they know life best, why don't they run it?

Politicians are a joke, they spend so much time learning to get a vote that they never learn how to run a country.

Ironic, isnt it?

Thats pretty naive and gay. Who is going to put the philosophers in charge? What is your definition of a philosopher anyway? An egghead who spends his whole life reading and theorizing and thinking and telling people who live how to better do it? There are million different philosophies, from which ones will you draw the philosophers?

user x, i saw a show on discovery where they asked catholic priests how they would handle the event of an alien encounter.

the priests said, first we'll have to convert them to christianity, or find out if they have jesus in their history who died for their sins.

i'd rather most people not know, decided by our government, then to be the laughing stock of the universe.

if it ain't christians converting them, it's muslims killing them,

it it ain't hindus meditating them,
it's african bushmen worshipping them.

no there are some things we are not ready for as a whole, and it's those things i support our government putting the lid on,

our arrogance already shows in that one catholic statement,

an obviously superior race to ours, well we'd have to humanize them of course.

bullshit.

"As I said before lost anything which is sentient is entitleted to the rights of man."

but as man as shown, most men don't think like that.

saddam hussein with the ability to clone, think about that.

the only way it could benefit him would be allowing him to live longer. and its not like his regime is going to become a democracy after he dies.

are you saying it couldn't help produce an army?

how about test subjects for his biological weapons?

"and its not like his regime is going to become a democracy after he dies."

what better way to reinforce your position over that of the peoples than to have an unending supply of soldiers?

i do agree it's technology that will advance mankind and be very beneficial,

but not yet.

einstein we were to young for the power of the atom,

i believe we're too young for the power of dna.

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no there are some things we are not ready for as a whole, and it's those things i support our government putting the lid on

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I agree that we're not ready, but NEVER let government keep scientific knowledge secret. They will pervert it. Why do you think the discovery of nuclear fission produced a bomb before it provided us with power generation? Government is like a child in that it will think of itself first, doesn't have enough common sense to make good decisions and is in need of constant supervision.

Heusseins supply of soldiers is limited by his ability to support them, furthermore the only capacity in which a soldier could be made superior through genetic manipulation for those situations would be physical. A being created Geneticly superior in intelligence he could not harness for war as It would most likely chaff at taking orders from one inferior to itself in all capacities. For pourposes of biowarfare he already tests his weapons on the kurds, there cheaper and a more accurate gauge of a populations response to an agent then a geneticly modified being would be.

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Heusseins supply of soldiers is limited by his ability to support them, furthermore the only capacity in which a soldier could be made superior through genetic manipulation for those situations would be physical. A being created Geneticly superior in intelligence he could not harness for war as It would most likely chaff at taking orders from one inferior to itself in all capacities.

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He only needs a handfull designed to sail into our harbors with nukes on board.

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BTW, this thread got squirrelly in parts, but I agree with your original statement in the context of cure based research. Even though you failed to propose that the underlying reason this administration puts up roadblocks is religious in nature (basic ignorance of fear).

And the Penguin is right.

I am all for cloning but i think we shoud think first.Lets say we make a super man more iq more strengh better vision ect.Who is to say he will be happy whith us.He may look on us as some thing to be removed.

user-x, i think we actually agree on what we're talking about, just misunderstanding what the other suggests,

i agree the government shouldn't keep it secret, or like you say they would pervert it,

i'm just saying we're not ready for it, maybe i didn't explain myself fully, which is probably why you thought i contradicted myself.

smithee, he wouldn't have to genetically enhance them, just have the ability to mass produce soldiers.

you're right in his ability to support them, which means he'd have to conquer others.