Why is it that everyone keeps saying that things are evil because the nazis did them.

dont get me wrong i am totally anti-facist and think the nazis were a load of fuckwits.

murdering 6 million ppl based purely on race was evil without doubt as far as most ppl are concerned

but just because one of them used very effective techniques of propaganda doesnt make it evil. for example:
Nazi Propaganda Techniques in Use Today... On YOU!

i'm sure the title is in itself propaganda because the file is just a rant against anti-gun ppl.


It's the same about communism. this is mostly in america but communist actually means evil.

yes, it was evil for stalin to murder 20 million ppl purely because they didnt agree with him but communism is (in my opinion) a flawed attempt at equality. not evil - it is just as bad as any other form of government when some dictator kills ppl in its name.

The Nazi's actually had a lot of really good ideas and methods. I believe they were the first country to ban smoking.

Hitler was a genius, and a large part of him was my hero. In retrospect, he didn't kill that many people, he just killed them real fast. The US has killed a lot of people, but we don't call ourselves evil. We had Japanese concentration camps during WWII also, and we could have saved a large number of jews had we not ignored the problem.

I don't believe in evil. Just humanity.

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When you talk about Stalin and his communism, you shouldn't call it a flawed attempt at equality, you should call it an attempt at total domination. He didn't want everyone to be equal, he wanted a select few to be The Party and everyone else to be equally dirt.
Communism isn't what should be feared, but rather Bolsheviks, or possibly all industrial communists. China for example, is more truly communist, and there is nothing wrong with the, nor has there been, because they are all rural.

But anyway, Chant with me "Die commies die, die die die die die die die commies die...."

But which of the two was the most evil?

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Originally posted by -=-goatboy-=-:
We had Japanese concentration camps during WWII also, and we could have saved a large number of jews had we not ignored the problem.

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Goatboy, you and I obviously have no idea what the scene was like in the continental United States after the bombing of Pearl Harbor, but I gather that in a country that was more than 90% White compared to the 68% of today, the attitude and treatment of Japanese not separated from the general population could become quite violent.

Although, there are many sad stories of the Japanese-American during those days, in a way, it may have been the best thing for them.

I recently saw the movie Pearl Harbor, and even though it is a movie, it illustrates my point. A Japanese-American doctor that was working at the base hospital in Pearl Harbor was on the scene when the first injured soldiers were coming in and he was greeted with a, "Don't you touch me, you fucking Jap!!!"

You see my point? Back then, (and still now I believe) California had the largest Asian community in the nation; small and politically powerless, may have been at the threat of physical danger if it were not for the internment camps.

on another note...!

Can you cut our country some slack? The Europeans ignored the problem of Hitler and his Nazi's long before it was ever our problem. We ain't the fucking police, man. (still aren't)


Commies like Clinton and Spiffy do suck and always will

Goat boy, you dumn nazi bastard. American interment camps didn't have zyklon b showers and crematoriums. In the American internment the goal was not genetic cleansing, rather the protection of state secrets as well as the japanies themselves. Also germany did not have a smoking ban Considerering that hitler and many of the troops were absolute meth freaks that would make very little sence.

Tobacco illegal and Methamphetamines legal
vs
Cannabis illegal and Alcohol legal

Which makes the least sense?

Umm..

Hmm..

Shit, that's a tough one.

although alchohol is harmful it rarely causes a persons heart to explode. And the only reason marajuana was made illegal in the US was to deport mexicans, since then the polititians thought there was some noble reason for it and have kept it illegal and even illegalized it again when the origional law was veiwed unconstitutional.

i take it that your talks of weed are in agreeance with me?

WTF u people talk about Japaniese internment camps as if they were posh hotels. People fucking died there. Don't believe me? Read up. I know people who's grandparents have perished due to malnutrition in them. You think your capitalist US of A is oh so innocent? Trust me buddy, it ain't.
Now I'm not compairing them to the German Concentration camps, I'm not even compairing or contrasting the two in any way. Don't say that the US internment camps were a "good" thing. It was not. They did not help anyone. Only a handful of spies were caught working for Japan in the 40's and guess what? They were ALL caucasion. Oh and US troops were dying in Europe at war against German and Italian soldiers, but back in US no one gave two shits about German-Americans and Italian-Americans being spies.

Oh and dont making ANY retarded assumptions from shit smeared US propaganda flicks like "Pearl Harbour" and go read a fact based non-biased history text. Christ.

i have to agree with the hollywood propaganda bullshit. i know ppl say that they are just films but they do make up history and give the public the wrong opinion.

egs. patriot, titanic, u-571, braveheart.

anyways, back to the original discussion...

Thats true, there is story of Randall wallace who decided that the historical facts of braveheart got in the way of the story line.

Back to the original post

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Why is it that everyone keeps saying that things are evil because the nazis did them.

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What things?

[This message has been edited by preying mantis (edited 06-30-2001).]

things like the propaganda (see above link)

I meant other things. Like some people call others Nazis because they have a mild dislike of some other people, sometimes not even racially different to themselves. It seems that anyone who doesn't like a certain group of people are labelled a Nazi.

i can understand ppl getting called nazi's because of all the evil shit that they did.

what i meant was all the stuff they did that wasnt evil and ppl call it evil purely because they did it.

Ah, i see. Well i think that the nazis get blamed for the whole jew and concentration camp thing. Fact is it started a long way before that. The jews have been persecuted since the roman times when thousands were fed to the lions and burnt at the stake for the enertainment of the romans.

The british had concentration camps long before the nazis came to power. The boer war actually, they rounded up all the setlements they thought were suppling the boers and most people say they were akin to the german camps just no gas etc.

It is a little known fact that at the time germany was one of the most tolerant of the jews. Unfortunatly the germans were going through a depression and the nazis managed to bend that to their advantage.

I know that isn't really what you meant but hey, i couldn't think of any other exmaples in this tired frame of mind.

First of all, if the nazis' hadn't killed 6 million people, they wouldn't be evil, they'd just be on the same level as the Italians and the Spanish (do remember that Franco was a fascist dictator that was put in power by the nazis and who's rule lasted until the 70's). The nazis' did take post-ww1 Germany, an unstable and industrially crippled country, and transformed it into the war machine that took over Europe.

Second of all, the Japanese were put in concentration camps because of racism. If they really wanted to protect them from vigilante Americans, the government should have sent them out east. And by the way, the Japanese in Hawaii, the state with the highest percentage of Japanese at the time, were not put in camps and there were no real problems in that case.

Let's all give thanks to the brits for inventing things like concentration camps and taxation without representation in the first place.

why thank you...

oh yeah this taxation without representation. i'm not that sure on the exact history but i think that the original taxes were passed by King Charles who did so against parlaments wishes to pay for his pointless wars against france.

he was later executed for treason. (i love the idea of a king getting their head cut off)

or maybe i got the dates all wrong.

Actually, King George the third taxed his colonies to pay for the 7-year war and the conquest of New France.

And while were at it, I'd like to thank the english for racism, imperialism, puritanism, what they did in Ireland and India and last but not least, Robbie Williams.

ok robbie williams...sorry

but the english did not come up with racism...thats been around for a very long time.

i feel it is only fair though to blame on america:
the depression, atomic/biological weapons, george bush...but worst of all: country music. of course half can be blamed on the government and the other two on texas so it would be unfair to blame the american ppl

anyway i cannot be bothered with this crap it is making me sick to realise there is some patriotism in me. >8^(

True, true.
Racism has been perpetrated by every civilization. Though it's unfair to call racism "racism", bacause it wasn't seen that way.

"Racism is the snobbery of the poor"
-Raymond Aron