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Politics: Left, Right, and Center National, state, regional, and local politics. Who's doing what to whom, and what you can do about it. How-to-get-action messages are encouraged. "How the government fucked up my life" stories are encouraged. Sharing new methods for cheating on taxes is encouraged. Sample "letters to congresscritters" are encouraged. Apathy and "I can't do anything" posts are discouraged. Left, right, centrist, or any other form of political-economic systems are all up for discussion. Be prepared to defend yourself, or at least have a good line of bullshit ready. Extensive quoting of economists and philosophers is frowned upon. We want to hear what YOU have to say, not what some constipated, impotent, dead guy dreamt up while suffering from the DT's over a hundred years ago thought.

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Old 2001-04-10, 12:17
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I notice a lot of people seem to think all us kids (i'm 17 by the way) do is get fucked up on drugs just to get high. Well i've got a little revelation for you dilluted morons. Did you ever think that maybe we are living in the real world and just trying to have a good time while exploring life and opening our minds while you are living in the world created by a fucked up government. What big brother says you do...did you ever stop and think maybe drugs are illegal cuz big brother wants his cut of the money and drug dealers just aren't gonna let that happen. So whats big brothers solution to this problem? Lets make drugs illegal and arrest the people who are trying to open their minds and enjoy life and charge them with fines.....wow big brother is getting his cut of the money now and then some! Great isn't it?

So big brother makes the word drug bad and brainwashes a nation into thinking us "drug users" are bad people. Drug users and drug abusers are 2 different things...but apparently you dilluted people can't seem to realize that. Just like racial profiling you profile all of us into a single category of drug abusers.

Uhhhh OHHH reality check time...Guess what?

Big brother allows the pharmeceutical companys to manufacture amphetamines and prescribe them to americas children...ohhh but we're the ones who are fucked up? Just for information purposes the drug im talking about in particular is Aderol (similar to ritaline). The effects to the mind are EXACTLY the same of methamphetamine. Addictive, mind altering, and extremely dangerous. So now what do you think of us drug users? Big brother convinced you drugs are bad but now you see big brother is just doing it for the almighty dollar...some country we live in. I suppose it's comforting to know there are others like me out there...for you brainwashed sheep out there I hope someday you'll wake up to the real world.

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Old 2001-04-11, 00:43
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Me thinks you are stoned..

I would like to say that i think drugs should be legal as long as the people know the risks.

i enjoy the exsitement of it being illigal but the prise and quality make me lean towards if being legal.

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Old 2001-04-11, 01:10
PcThUg2ooo PcThUg2ooo is offline
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Hard drugs=no

Im kind of glad that drugs have been made illigeal. I used to hate it and bitch about it like you.. but...
The other people are missing out, and im sure i wouldnt enjoy fucking myself up on drugs if it was legal and everyone was doing it.
By the way tolerated and legal are too different concepts, id rather tolerated than legal, legal may mean cheaper drugs (but not necesarily) but the moral issues would cause huge controversy throughout the world. I can never see this happening.
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Old 2001-04-11, 03:39
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I agree with thug although hard drugs should remain illegal and more natural drugs such as weed and mushrooms should be legalized, but if it were government run it would be much softer than the stuff being smoked now. All the chemical shit and especially needle ascociated drugs should remain most definetly illegal. Thats right take morphine for example there is a drug used to help people deal with pains of near death experience but it is being abused.
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Old 2001-04-11, 04:35
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I'm pretty sure that Adult drug use outweighs that of minors. And of course, when you make the distinction between legal and illegal drugs, its all in your head. Alchohol is just as much a drug as anything else you can name, but its totally legit.

Drug use/abuse is a total personality based thing, you have people with addictive personalities and people who get their kicks elsewhere. And yeah, there is a tendency to sterotype drug use, just like everyone sterotypes that which they don't know, it isn't something that you deal with alone boyo.

finally, Dark Destiny, when you define "hard" drugs you leave it lax as hell. Everything is chemical when you get down to it. Natural is too loose a definition to actually create a credo. Would you define it by levels of refinement? By the detrimental effects? If you really wanna be taken seriously you can't talk in such sweeping generalizations...
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Old 2001-04-11, 23:14
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I think that anything that isn't a morphine nor a cocain derivative should be consitherd a soft drug.
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Old 2001-04-12, 01:06
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Legalizing some drugs would solve SO many problems it would not be funny. Then my parents would have to stop asking me if I am on weed.

Marijuana= legal
ecstasy= maybe
pcp= illegal
heroin= I am not sure

If I Was A Girl For A Day
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Old 2001-04-13, 21:01
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Why would the government be making drugs illegal for the dollar? That's silly. Drug dealers would make billions more if drugs were illegal, and they would probably pay the taxes with a smile on their faces. If the government wanted to make money off this, they would definately make it all legal. It's not just sales they get to tax, theres transport, distribution, profits...etc, etc. Do you really think that is less than the couple hundred they nail people with for possesion?
Drugs are illegal because they are dangerous. Dangerous to you, and dangerous to others. Kinda like guns, but it different ways. True, some people are really safe when they do drugs, some are not. Yes, alcohol is the same, it's probably more dangerous than most drugs. The problem with booze is it was already such a major industry when they went around making drug laws, it was impossible to shut down.
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Old 2001-04-16, 20:20
Hero_of_Ktulu Hero_of_Ktulu is offline
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weed + legal = bad

why?

it wouldn't be cheaper...they'd be taxed

it'd probably be less potent

drug dealers wouldnt pay taxes! now i know you're stoned

then more people would buy it, capitalism would be involved, and we'd be left with buying a little bit of crappy shit for a hellva lot

you wouldn't be able to get frequent buyer discounts from CVS for buying it

ok im a little vague on this but remember when you learned in history when they'd lower the railroad rates for the companies and guys who rode real often in short ditances and upped the price for long distances? well like that....basically id be equal with this little fuck who's getting his first dime and have to wait...fuck democratic weed

weed + tolerated = pretty much what it is now

we dont have a MAJOR crackdown or anything (least where i live) so im cool right now

other drugs...i dotn care i dont do em...you fight for it

fuck expanding your mind or any more of that hippie shit...its fun and people do DAMN funny things when they do it....dont feed me a line of BS....just shut up, smoke, and dont get caught

that's all hypothetical (coughdisclaimercough)

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Old 2001-04-22, 14:18
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Hero of K, you are a true, total idiot. Obviously, you are so certain that YOU will never go to jail, for participating in an activity that is now illegal, that you don't give a rat's ass about those who do. You are the quintessential American. Gee, I'm proud to be a 'murican.
Here's my solution: legalize everything, do away with prescriptions. Doctors kill an order of magnitude more people each year, than car wrecks, and illegal drugs combined, by mis-diagnosis, mistakes, and sometimes, just bad handwriting. Don't beleive me? Don't cry, don't whine, look it up...When i say ALL drugs should be legalized, most of you probably automatically thought of cannabis, cocaine, heroin, ect. What i propose is a bit more radical. Any drug made, whether for a sore throat, or cancer, should be available off the shelf. Doc Stone in gunsmoke didn't ride in a litter, and he admitted that he was fallible. Doctors today act like gods, and it's a damned myth, a modern myth, and it's helped to be perpetuated by the power of the prescription.
Y'all might think I'm a bit radical, but instead of jerkin' yer knee, get off yer asses, and really do some research. It really can't possibly hurt ya, ya know.
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Old 2001-04-23, 13:09
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So your solution to doctors giving the wrong perscriptions is to make it so you can just buy any drug you want over the counter? What, do you think the patients know better than a fucking physician what drugs will help them? Or wait, then they could like, ask a doctor what would help them, and he could like, write it down on a peice of paper for them, because it's probably fucking unpronouncable. Then you could take that paper to the pharmacy, and give it to the pharmacist who has all the drugs.

Drugs have perscriptions for a reason...they are DANGEROUS. There is absolutely zero reason to want drugs legalised unless you wanna get that funky high.
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Old 2001-04-29, 18:42
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Crevan's right, if bigbro wanted cash, it would legalize shit and tax the hell out of it.

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Old 2001-04-30, 10:59
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or if 'bigbro' wanted cash,

he could make it all illegal,

and let the distribution of such still feed the economy as a whole,

while generating platforms on which to run,

and soaking your paycheck for all these programs that have no hope of succeeding,

while also lining their pockets on the millions of dollars non-violent drug offenders pay in fines,

who after getting in trouble cannot get another job because,

egads, their drug users.

who now get into worse trouble for dealing to survive,

only because they don't have the cash built up to buy off the cops and politicians to look the other way when it comes to them.

but as long as some people think that's helping they keep forking out their tax money without saying a word.

while indirectly ruining millions of lives,

i'd say 60% of drug users get their lives ruined not because they use, but because it's illegal.

robert downey jr for example.

could survive as an actor if we let him.

he's never hurt one person in all his arrests(resisting arrest doesn't count, if it was legal, he wouldn't have been in that situation).

if the shit kills him,

it kills him.

why should we ruin his life over it.

by the way;

less than zero was a great movie, and could be considered a prophecy of his life to come.
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Old 2001-05-03, 23:21
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Tobbaco VS Marajuana

(For some reasons I like to say the actual name rather than a nick, that weird or no?)

Tobbacco is highly addicitive, Marajuana is, well, not.

Tobbacco in fact does not cause cancer, it just fuks your lungs up so bad cancer happens easily. Marajuana doesnt either.
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Although Tobbacco is definitly fatal in the long run, it is not instantly, but overdoses on marajuana are...hold up. Marajuan cannot be overdosed by smokeing, only by indigestion(that way it can be overdosed, just like any safe drug like say...asprin)
ALTHOUGH if you eat to ciggarrets you die quite instanly...there is enough nicotine in two tobbacco cigarrets to kill you instantly, although when smoked nearly all of it is burnt up, and not to thienk of the other odd 3000 chemicals in there.....

I truly do not understand why marajuana is illegal while tobbacco is. Right here I am not focusing on drugs should be legal (which I would ) or all drugs including ciggarrets should be illegal. But only, tobbacco is so much more dangerous than Marajuana, yet...its legal.

The only therory Ive heard about this is that consiparsy one where they say the paper companies found hemp would make a cheaper paper but didnt want to lose their monopoly so they lobbied the gov...personally, I think that sounds like a loud of shit, although, it is possible....
(excuse the spelling, this keyboard fuking sticks)
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Old 2001-05-03, 23:38
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Okay

Tobbaco VS Marajuana

A Marajuana joint has 15 times the amount of tar a cigarette has (but then you don't chain smoke joints).

After...

1 cigarette: you are not hinderd in any way.
1 joint: you are high and can't safely drive a car, operate heavy machinery or do a math exam.

Tobacco smokers: People in many stratas of societies that are backed by tobacco lobbies
that bribe the american government.
Pot smokers : Hippies that hate the government.


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Old 2001-05-04, 01:44
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redrover;

BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i smoke pot everyday,

never been in an accident.

i go to work high(i could never have a job where i couldn't)

what do i do you ask?

account programmer for a telecommunications company.

what was my best subject in school,

math.

i can do extremely complex computations in my head.

the part of the act test where they allow you to do your math work.

was blank on mine.

quit getting your information from D.A.R.E. and cheech and chong movies which are meant for entertainment not fact.
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Old 2001-05-04, 05:09
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Mustard- I agree completely with the risk info plan.

Redrover- I agree with only morphine/coke derivatives being illegal.

Hero_of_Ktulu- But if marijuana was legal, I'd have a greenhouse full of sinsemilla year-round.

Student_Zer0- tobacco smoke contains flat molecules that fit themselves into DNA chains and such to fuck up the processes of cell replication, therefore creating cancer.

Redrover again- I've gotten 100% on numerous math exams while under the influence of MJ. Where are you getting your info?
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Old 2001-05-05, 00:23
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So your saying that your mental skills are as sharp when your high as they are when you don't take anything?

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Old 2001-05-06, 00:10
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Sure. No major difference.
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Old 2001-05-06, 01:39
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You people are being limited in yer thinking. All drugs should be available without a prescription....this means blood pressure meds, insulin, antibiotics, everthing. Doctors have a racket going!
BTW....If you have an infection, and can'
t afford a racketeer, you can go to a pet supply store, and buy liquid penicillin (tell'em it's fer yer Rott), and a 3cc syringe. Costs less than $15, and it works. Don't drink, take 2 shots a day for at least 4 days.
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Old 2001-05-06, 19:50
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Do you realize how many people's lives have been ruined because of addictions to prescription pain killers like vallium or morphine? Would the fact that these drugs would be easier to get make our society better?
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Old 2001-05-06, 20:12
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And how are you using that 3cc syringe? subcutaneous?, intra-muscular, or pray tell do you shoot the penicillin right into the vein?.......

just enought to be dangerous.......


Um, I'm still trying to figure out why Lostminds post didn't wrap this, buuuut....

If all drugs were legal then the money being payed out in lawsuits over such and such died when he/she ingested....manufactured and marketed by such and such, c'mon now.

The functions and purposes of any specific drug are so specialized, street drugs and pharmecuticals, that if you had a point to make ,it seems like it ought to be drawn from
whatever the antithises of the desired effect is- prior to taking a drug.

Just what is it that recreational drug use is attempting to medicate?

Straight up physiological matters generally don't threaten those in power, it is the state of mind of the masses that holds the energy and impetus to do anything so radical as to bring about the gov'ts undoing.

Look at the opposites of the variosu states of inebriation on any street drug, make a list. What you'll have is not going to have much to do with physical conditions.

Drug manufacturers could probably make some pretty fucking "wonderful drugs if they wanted to, but they don't, not in a prolific,
well publicized way anyhow, Prozac, I guess.

Furthermore, I believe that they purposely do not put research $ into producing drugs that would cure things that it is far more profitable to treat in an ongoing way.

Kinda fucked up eh?, Well whaddaya know. Suppose the folks responsible for making those descisions talk it over with the little lady or ask the dog? Big money controls what big money finances, fix your body, sure we can do that, no problemo, but it'll cost you$$$$$$.

Fix your spirit, naaaah, last thing we need is a bunch of super healthy, mentally sharp and in the majority as in The Majority, think of all the innovative, pardon, revolutionary ideas that might come about! Can't have that! people might actually try and make their votes and there purchases and their opinions count too much. Fix your body, hey you got it! fix your head, well, what seems to be wrong with your head, so noted, your head is in question, please step to the side and plex in our figure eight sanctuary, yes thats right, maybe you don't matter, maybe you can't make a difference there you go you're doing fine, keep thinking, we'll be right here. BTW there is a , for your benefit, kinda general guide to living your life we've provided for you, just do these things and you'll be fine unless you aren't , and then, well you can mosey on over to the coping competancy arena where you'll be challenged in a manner we hope you'll find most, uh , challenging.

Incidentaly, someone once pointed, no pun intended, out to me that the ideal way to administer any drug is intravenously(not penicillin though!). You don't see Dr.s giving patients lines of antibiotics or smoking penicillin, try putting prozac on tin foil, see thats lame nkay.

Education and an arena in which to make constructive use of it is the ideal, so here and there the common person utilizes a technique normally reserved for those with an education which is comprehensive w/ regard to all implications, indications and desired outcomes.

Take away the education and you get desired outcome and technique. That's called "knows just enough to be dangerous" and a lot of people do and alot of people are, the thing is, it is to themselves that they are most dangerous because simple deduction will tell you that there has to be Dr.s and there has to be janitors.

Not everyone is gonna be a Dr. some people arent even gonna get "higher educations" why?
well because they aren't and thats okay, it just sort of has to be. There is a place for everyone in this society. The achievement of a college degree or higher education(not "yeah so I smoked another one and got even higher") isn't so much about what you learned as it is about that you invested the time and payed reverence in a way to the power of knowledge.

A well rounded knowledge albeit saturated in , imho, practically useless trivia, (is the h for humble or handicapped?) serves it's owner with the optimuspectacles for seeing the big picture, that's all, or that's just one aspect of it...

It probably isn't a coincidence that the guys who can afford to be of sound mind and body never having to worry about the things struggling, oppressed, tuned out or "expanding my mind man" folks do, are educated and working in a capacity of upper level managemnt or professional service, you know how Dr.s and Lawyers wait on you...cha.

So bitch and moan or not, sit in the basement and get loaded, admit life has become unmaneageable and commit to a 12 step program
have a nice life, or not, it's yours, it doesn't matter as much as it would if you continued to educate yourself.

I know it sounds mean and totally uncool, but thats the way it is, until it isn't. The truth might be that when it comes to your mind either you educate it or you anesthitize it. If you only try halfway then you might have to have someone else anesthitze it for you. Take comfort though, since they are educated they will probably do it in the most humane way possible. You, you know just about enough to be dangerous. Unless of course you're harmless, then you're just well, you know harmless.

Damn all these harmless criminals trying to medicate themselves! Dam them to a level of
education that they are at least medicating appropriately!

Also, money can buy alot of things like someone to take all your risks for you.
Dirty deeds done dirt cheap, yeah imagine that! such a deal , 50.00$ shot who? When you've learned enough to see the big picture then certain things will become very clear. Until then it just keeps going back to that conspiracy stuff. Well it is a conspiracy!

It's capitalism!

Only it's the American way and simply because you attain a certain level of education doesnt mean you will become one of them!!!

Just look at all the shining examples of folks in the know who didn't take advantage of what they knew instead went door to door trying to enlighten the masses!!!!!!

Why is is that people will jump into an icy cold river just to save a solid gold baby? Maybe we'll never know.

By the way, I don't know what I'm talking about. If my kid started using drugs I'd be majorly heartbroken and derailed, why ? cause to me it would signal his interest in furthering his education was officially awol, at least his formal education.

He may not like it but the more years of school, he can be coerced , bribed or threatened through completing, the better off he's gonna be in the long run, it sucks to have to be the bad guy, butit hasn't come to that yet, still he's not excited about college,

Fuckin Bush and his poo pooing of the voucher thing, that sucks! the school(public) that my kid is attending is a sham! straight up joke, ineffectual misdirected overwhelmed buerocratic fucking joke. So an idea that leans toward fixing the minds, so to speak using the lure of cash , as it were, is just
put out of it's enlightened misery, 1, 2, 3
quack quack quack.

It's a good thing my sister got her mba, my son's going to catholic College Prep for high school, he's not going to like it initially, but just maybe having higher standards of what is expected will make him want to do better work, I don't know. Didn't you have to copy the algebra problems out of the book onto a piece of binder paper and then neatly solve them showing your work(or lack there of?) Wasn't it not allowed to hand in pages with the three holes just ripped out of the binder??

You know that child just does not comprehend what it is to be thorough and do an excellent job and he is not anywhere near the bottom of his class.

It's hard to be a parent. I guess I've always been so concerned with encouraging his creativity that I figured he'd just appreciate it and take my word for the other stuff!
I think that of all the half-baked hell in a handbasket things that people do without sufficient educations to have kids has to be way up there...

Of all the things that might need to get worked on ,and deserve to be worked on by certified mechanics, you know? I hate it when I realize that someone I am trusting to work on something of mine is learning as the go..."Don't fucking learn on my shit! dammit, that's what I say, and I'm serious, just tell me you don't know, that I will appreciate far more than any exercise in educated guessing de jour.

Well anyways here I am learning on my kid.
You know, I'm sure they could research and develop a highschool education workshop with state of the art everything you know float in a tank while experiencing high rems have each unit of knowledge secured with a little electoshock, move from subject to subject with some pleasant endorphin producing amphetamine, employ out of this world sexual gratyfication sensation generators to tide you through the really slow going shit, Of course it is possible.

If everybody who could think and do everything they are capable of thinking about doing and do it competently, we'd be in a whole other place. But then all that resourcefullness isn't good for the status quo so I think I'd better go.

One more thing, I think each person should, if it isnt already too late, try and write down on a calander or some such thing the day
that it comes when there is actually something wrong with them, on their own terms, that cannot be overcome by a comprehensive evaluation of their actual limitations, physical and intellectual and an honest assesment of what is easier for their emotional soul, being wrong or fixing their own minds.

thank you very much it has been a while since I have done such an agressive babbling I hope y'all appreciate it and try to remember, just because they don;t take role in college doesn't mean 10 or 15yrs later you'd not have been better off to have gone !!

Survival of the fitest is in progress, who says we aren't for the most part hopelessly inbred due to the Adam and Eve thing. Wouldn't using only 10 or 20% of your brain qualify as severally retarded?

And, if there is knowledge that has been accumulated by those one generation, at least, less inbred than you, then arent you on the "unfittest list" if you dismiss it
decide to simply "wing it" with life?

Stupid questions, but the incredibly minute percentage of the population who actually endeavor to acquire the accumulated knowledge and then look past instantaneous gratification and spend their lives using their minds to develop things the rest of us can marvel over, if we get a chance or purchase if we manage our compensation reasonably well, or even exploit for some greedy short sighted purpose....Those people are the fittest, physical prowess at this point in our evolution , as a tool for survival and advancement, in and of itself is laughable, sure I laugh , you knock me out, I wake up and laugh, you kill me, great!!!!
The retards will prevail, not.

Anyway, what worries me is that without an inate , species related fascination or at least interest in in some way knowingly benefitting from the accumulated knowledge of the ages and in some conscious way desiring to build upon that for the sake of soemthing other than $$$ a person it would seem almost takes the gift of life begrudgingly, gift from whom, relevant or not, just to be and to know that humans have deduced so very much throughout history and still are so unmistakably far from a complete knowledge, to lose the desire for education is just so frightening.

Not, I don't wanna go to school ma, but I don't give a fuck get me a beer....stuff like that, anyway sharing with one another is, on a far less glamorous scale, hella easier to attain as well, one way of augmenting the flow of fresh knowledge, not that they know more, just that they see it perhaps differently.

There is beauty and value everywhere and in everyone, to simply be and end unto oneself is what there ought to be a drug to cure.
Only how and by whom would it be administered?

ps- on the "just enough to be dangerous" thing: I can neuter anything with testicles!
And when it gets busy, once in a while I do!
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Old 2001-05-08, 03:02
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redrover;

i was high when i took the act test.

here's a quote from a band called pulp; the song is glory days:
"i could be a genius if only i'd put my mind to it; i could do anything if only i could get around to it"

if you want to put blame for people who are nowhere nothings on drugs and other things in life; go ahead.

i choose to place them on the individual;

which is something they don't like to hear; the reason you're life is fucked up is all and solely because of YOU.
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Old 2001-05-08, 03:03
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i'm high right now.
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Old 2001-05-24, 06:36
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winki, ud have to be high to ramble on aimlessly like that. People turn out to be washouts and fuckups because they made the wrong choices and their upbrining. Drug use can be a beautiful thing or a sign of underlining problems.

goddamnit now im just rambling.

the key to controlling drug use is a well balanced life and education about the effects of such behavior.
 
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