http://salon.com/tech/feature/2002/03/29/hollings_bill/index.html

Just another unspeakable violation of our rights by big brother. But they could never enforce that. They really think that people wouldn't be able to remove the copy protection?

and how exactally do they plan on installing it in the first place? I dont have a PC, Cd player, Car stereo or mp3 player officer It sounds foolishly hard to implement and highly unsustainable.

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today I got a mail from one of my harddrives� producers. How did they get my email-adress? Is there somthing I forgot?

If you bought that with a credit card or if you sent for a rebate on it you can bet your ass the manufacturer has everything about you in some database.

nope. But I think this is just a spam.

NO NO ,NO bro,
NO WORRIES,,,,...
as long as Asian monsters in electronics technology are making computers ,there will be no built-in copy protection shit in the new products. "why?"
cuz Asians are BIG TIME against copy protection issue.So our asses gonna be safe.

Mhm, sure.

If holling's bill goes through, expect a LOT of bad shit to happen.. it will be illegal to import non-copy protected stuff..

in all probable cause, what would you do?

Make sure I upgrade my system first before the law takes effect, and I dunno, after that.

see, thats the wonderful thing. I can do what I do on a seven year old box, that means that if I up my system to top of the line for today, I have something that'll last me a good long while.

Long enough for the bill to be ruled unconstitutional...

also, I'm pretty sure the only thing's that would be affected would be storage devices. Ram, processors, and the like shouldn't be bugged, I don't see how thats feasible.

so all one really needs to do is stock up on spare hard drives...

Yeah, that's my feeling too, that if I just get whatever is top of the line at that point, then things should be fine for a long time afterwards..

As for what they plan on putting it in, I think it means everything.. from cd players to TV's and everything inside the box on a pc..

im sure you could remove the protection. the hard part would be finding warez after that because the average user wouldnt go to the lengths we would. i think i could put an end to casual piracy but no one can take all the pirates out.

Hmm.

20 gig and 40 gig HDs: check.

PS2 for games and DVDs: check.

Burner: check.

Bring it on.

All i need to copy video is my tv tuner card with s-video input, and my video card with s-video output. It doesn't matter how much they encrypt it or copy-protect those dvds. I have my 80-gig hard drive, bring it on. Actually, i could make a shitload of money selling bootleg stuff because everyone i know is too stupid to be able to do it themselves unless it's a point-and-click thing. What worries me is that they will lower the number of people that copy stuff to the point that they could actually start enforcing the laws. As for pirated software, fuck windows, people will start using linux because they don't want to pay for software. And microsoft won't go for that.

i doubt that. as a nix user i can assure you its not ready for the desktop. i couldnt imagine using only linux. its a great OS and has improoved in leaps and bounds on the desktop in the last three years but multimedia is still lacking compared to windows. ease of use is a whole new barier to overcome which may not be so easy becasue of the very nature of open source. there are no real central agencies regulating products so there are mad incompatability issue for linux software. not to say that windows doesnt suffer from the same thing but linux des to a greater extent. aside from that there is no money in nix so big companies wont write for it. nix will however continue to improove. i think in ten years the average retard could boot up and work/game in nix

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aside from that there is no money in nix so big companies wont write for it. nix will however continue to improove.

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No money in NIX? hahaha, sorry syphon but the entire internet runs on NIX... I would say there is a lot of money in the internet.

The biggest network software developers in the world write for NIX... and will continue to do so.

I know you meant in terms of desktop use for NIX... and in that case I agree. There is not much money **FOR BIG BUSINESS** in linux as an open source OS.

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i agree totaly with you there. all the fastest prosumer boxes run some form of nix and the internet depends upon it but, as you noted i was refering to the desktop.

aside from comercial x servers and tech support there is not cash in desktop users at this point in time.

noone has realized, that the US is in need to have power over everyone. im sure if they do start implimentig this (which i doubt) they would try top spread it to Canada. why? because the way theys ee it Canada and the US are quite the same, and they will want more control over what they can get their hands on. once again it will come back to the US only acknowledging canadas exhistance when they want something. (remember the whole 9/11 thing? bush didnt event hank canada for all the help we gave. thats fine, he can rott in motherufkcing hell)

not to be rude to americans but its true. its not ur fualt, its just ur government. (which is no different from ours really)

all in all it wont happen. isnt there soemthing in the us constitution that protects from illegal searches and siezures? technically, taking what they want, when they want for no good reason, or without any sort of issued warrant, would be an illegal seaizure. be it a digital file or not, it is yours, not theres, and they have no right to touch it unless a judege has said that you have done soemthing that deams that information as some sort of evidence or osmehting of that manner.

that and the fact that they would have to update the soft/hardware every 2 goddamn minutes, cuz theres a lot fo people out there smarter then them, who will just make block, patches, things to cause glitches in the softwarer, etc... its like software manufactureers and cracks. a day after its on the market the thing is upto download for free, and theres a million cracks for it, cuz no matter how much they dont like it, theres someone smarted then them out there, jusat waiting to fuck them over for being shit heads!

i saw theyll try and fail and everyone will laugh at them for being morons! if the goddamn cnadian government tries it ill go put 7 .357 rounds into jean cretiens faggot chest!

Ok... a couple of things.

SomeEverydayNobody, the search and seazure rules DO NOT apply to digital technology thanks to the DMCA (Digital Millenium Copyright Act). This is a large part of the problem. In a traditional case they need to prove you're guilty and have suffient grounds for investigation. The DMCA means you have to prove you;re innicent and they can arrest you on suspicion of trying to get around the copy right protection (ie it is a felony to try work out how to get round copyright, this includes discussing it, research how the technology works etc) this is not just about copying. Its way before that step.

As to implementing it... thats easy. It only applies to new devices. Like seatbelts. They had be to be in all cars imported th Australia and in all cars manufacutred in Australia (sorry, being Australian I only know so much about what happened in the US). Cars older then some date are legally except from having seat belts. (Is wearing a seat belt maditory in the US ? Just wondering). So that part is easy. Alternativly, they can put it in the operating system (which I'm sure MS will do with or without a law shortly.. ie as soon as they know how, the XP copyright issues and hardwear snooping are an example of an attempt at this).

Spiffy, you need a DVD burner still. Doh !

The article is actually rather good. It's only missing a couple of bit sof history and current affairs.

1) The copyright act of the US is based on the british copyright act called the
"Statutes of Anne" which was passed in 1610. Up until then book publishers would only allow you to use books as they saw fit. You might ask what else you could do with a book besides read it... but they were banning things such as public readings (unless you ppaid them) lending books (ie banning libraries) etc. This was to force more people to buy books and make more money for themselves. The "Entertainment Industry" in the US is the same. They want to control the media so they sell more. This is fine as a buisness interest but at some point, like the british did with the statute of anne, the interest of thepublic needs to be taken into account. (NB what the statute gave copyright holders was the sole right to reproduce the works and make the initial sale, once you bought it however the deal was that it was yours. So it protected copyright holders for a limited number of years (50) by garenteeing them money fromt he first sale, and after you bought a copy or the 50 yars was up... the public interest was that everything become "public property")

2) There is ALOT more on the prof. who broke the water mark and then published how he did it. He was originally threatened with a law suit etc etc etc.

3) Was Skylara (sp) mentioned ? The russian who cracked the adobe e-book security ? This was a massive issue back in november last year... I wonder what happened ? He was here for a security conference, presented a paper on his work and was arrested by the FBI. Adobe dropped the case against him, but becuase copyright is now a criminal issue rather then a civil one (again, thanks to the DMCA) the case was still going ahead unless the attorney general decided to drop it as well.

Anyway, thanks for the post. This IS interesting stuff and not just for IT people.