does this work on all vending machines? or just the old ones? I would like to know alittle bit more about if it is gonna work or if I am just gonna look like a big fool. would appreciate help!

No idea but you should experiment, find out, write a text file, submit it, and post it! TOTSE is about sharing knowledge

lost my original reply- (twice)

I had to do this once in an emergency which was a compelling and mitigating circumstance similar to needing change to make an emergency phone call.

Salting is something that worked decades ago but I suspect the vulnerability was corrected long ago.

This is not exactly a 'Robin Hood' type of venture, but there may come a time soon in this Country where the knowlege of how to smash a vending machine might be necessary for survival, so knowing HOW to do it is OK.

Get a job with a construction company doing demolitions labor. Learn how to demolish stuff. It's fun work and keeps you in good shape.

Want to do everyone a big favor? Learn how to break PARKING METERS.

Hee Haw

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Originally posted by nsolitude:
...how to break PARKING METERS.

Hee Haw

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Honestly, this is true and I learned this from a Nuclear Physicist.

He had some fine monofilament line (fishing line) tied to a dime (hole drilled in it) that he carried with him and used it to make telephone calls. He would fish the dime into the coin slot far enough to trip the circuit and then pull it out again.

I wonder if you gluey glued a string on a coin or piece of metal if this would work in a parking meter?

I think I'll try salting a parking meter. Reason? Two $40.00 parking tickets outside of an Emergency Room at a Hospital that only allowed for 10 minutes limit on parking. Try getting in and out of an emergency room with a critical or disabled patient in 10 minutes.

I have some other legitimate and compelling complaints about parking meters.

My favorite method would be a high impact spike through the heart of the parking meter.

I think I will invent a parking meter salter ray gun.

My first design idea was the Parking Meter Ebola Injector Gun.

below is a file i wrote a while back which I seem to repost at least once every 3 months but hey:

Vending Machines, Payphones, and Bill Changers

Ver 1.1 compiled by Mustard 28 / 04 / 01

1.0 � Introduction
2.0 -What�s new to ver 1.1
3.0 - Debunking the myths
4.0 - How to get into Vending Machines
5.0 - How to scam Bill changers
6.0 - How to get into pay phones
7.0 - Easy way of stealing money from soda machines (Stuffing)
8.0 � More stuffing
9.0 � Credits


1.0 � Introduction

After seeing the number of posts asking repeatedly the same question �How do I get into vending machines� I finally noticed that somebody was replying with methods that made sense. So I got together all the good info about vending machines and set out compiling it all. This file contains the common sense ways of breaking into or gaining money/products from vending machines so if are hopping to find a way of getting into these machines as if by magic after doing some random thing to it then sorry. This file is simply here to stop all these annoying questions. As far as I know the methods in this file work although this may change over time. Direct any comments to Mustard in the bad ideas forum (in the community section) at www.totse.com
These files like I said previously are not of my doing I would never try to take credit away from someone else�s work deliberately. I have tried to remove useless info from the files but basically I have left them the way they came�
Spread this file freely and add to it as you see fit just give people credit for there work and post new additions at www.totse.com
You can also contact me and find my new files at my BSS at www.fieldings43.freeserve.co.uk/DK.htm

ENJOY�

Legal shit�
I do not in any way promote any illegal activity in this file all information provided here is purely for informational purposes. So if you get caught don�t come wining to me

2.0 -What�s new to ver 1.1

I have added some more info on stuffing ( 8.0 ) thanks out to nito721 at &TOTSE for this interesting and simple adaptation.
3.0 - Debunking the myths

Air-hardening clay: absolutely doesn't work. When you let it dry, you have an impression of the lock with the pins set at whatever distance the pressure you pressed with put them at. That doesn't mean those are the settings that open the lock.
Salt water: pretty much every soda machine comes with a drain installed in the bottom of it in case the soda cans break open. Duh. The coin sensors are only 5vdc, magnetic or optic, and encased in lexan... and that's only after you go through a black plastic coin mech with more holes in it than your front door after a drive-by.

Strings attached to a coin: This never really worked after about 1960. There is something called a coin mech in every coin-op machine. This is the device that checks the coin for diameter, weight, thickness, and composition before allowing it to pass the switch that triggers whatever the machine does. A string attached to a coin would not allow it to travel at a sufficient speed to get past the cradle, let alone the three turnarounds. And if that wasn't enough, the end of the mech has a little lever which maintains only one-way movement.

Laminated dollars: did work, don't anymore. (Or do they? Coming soon!) Every bill vaildator now has a flipper on the end of it that must be closed for a successful validation, meaning there can't be stuff attached to the end of the bill. Even if your lamination were going around the flipper area, once it's closed you couldn't pull the bill back out without tearing it in half on the closed flipper.

Scanned dollars: I have never, ever seen a fraud dollar in a validator, so you'll forgive me if I think anyone full of shit who says it works unless you know where some pre-micro conductor technology machines exist. (note: this only applies to US dollars, I don't know how these things work with other contries' money) You know those little threads in your money? They do give off a magnetic signature, and it's different for every denomination. Every bill validator since 1991 has a magnetic scanner on it. It uses that, and three sets of optic scanners, to determine the length, width, thickness, density, magnetic signature, and least of all markings on every bill it validates. So not only does a scanned dollar not have the proper magnetic signature, it doesn't have the right thickness or density... unless you printed it on fiber-paper and sewed one of those little threads into it at precisely the right point.

If you want to rip off machines, keep reading... I'll try and let you know how not to waste your time.

4.0 - How to get into Vending Machines

Alright, I'm sick of reading all this crap on how to try and rip off vending machines when none of it works. Clay? Salt water? Gimme a fucking break. Keep reading to hear how to get into vending machines from someone who has worked with them for the last ten years, and still does.

Some warnings.

1- With electronics being so cheap these days, most people videotape their vending locations. Scope out the place first, look for cameras. At any rate, it's not good to look like you when you go raid the machines.

2- Almost all vending machines now have alarms and tilt switches installed on them. Candy machines have shock sensors on the front glass. All machines have plumb bobs on them. If at all possible, unplug the machine first to avoid tripping the anti-vandalism measures.

3- There was another warning I had all thought up, but now I can't remember it. I'll think of it later.

Okay, standard vending machines include soda machines, candy machines, cigarette machines and other upright product dispensing devices. I'll write a separate file for video games, bill changers and payphones later.

There are basically only two ways to get into vending machines without a key. Through the lock, or directly.

LOCKS

You can always try and pick the lock, using the standard method. The only problem with that is that there are usually at least eight settings, so you have to pick it three or four times to get the cylinder to travel enough to open the lock. That can be entirely too time consuming and generally not worth it. So, here are some better methods for opening a lock without picking it. It can be very easy to get into tubular locks or very hard, depending on how cheap the lock is.

Gematic-type: cheap as hell locks. Their main weakness is that the cam (small piece of metal on the back of the lock designed to hold the cylinder in place) is held on by a single, small, weak-threaded screw. Most of the time the cam is also only an aluminum alloy. To defeat this type of lock, you can use a tubular key. File it down so that only the pin that sticks up from the cylinder is left and when inserted into a lock it rotates freely, but you can't pull it out. Attach a chain to the key, then wrap the chain around a bar of some sort. Yank hard. Voila! Cam either comes completely off or is bent to hell, open sesame.

Ace-type: somewhat more expensive, better secure. The cam is held on by a nut over a larger bolt-type end. This makes it mainly pull-proof. However, the lock is only coated in carbon steel. Beneath that millimeter thin layer of hard metal there is only a nickel alloy. Insert a small drill bit into the cross section where the key slot meets the circular opening and go at it. After you get past the hard metal, the rest will give like soft cheese. Keep drilling until either the cylinder falls out, or you drill right through the lock and through the bolt in the end of the lock. It only takes me about five minutes to do this with a hammer drill.

American-type: you can tell these locks from the others by the fact that the face is completely flush. Instead of a tubular cylinder, these locks rely on a set of pins on the key, mounted at irregular depths. The face is drill-proof. These things are the Fort Knox of locks, if you see one you're pretty much fucked trying to open it without a key. So, on to the next method!

DIRECT

Let's not kid ourselves here. We're not trying to get into these things for the aesthetic value of the job. We want the stuff inside. C'mon, you want to try to dump salt water into these things, thinking it will completely ruin the machine and only work part of the time? I'm guessing we're not all that concerned with the well-being of the machine in question. Face it, this is a grab-and-go job. So fuck the lock, let's just get in.

Almost every single vending machine has the T-bar locking system. This means there's a steel bar traveling the length of the machine, securing the door at the top, bottom and side directly next to the lock, opposite the hinge.

This is a pretty good system. It doesn't work against someone determined to get in. Why? Because the point where the locking bar intersects with the machine's walls may be steel, but it's only about a quarter inch thick.

Bring a prybar and a hammer. Unplug the machine. Climb on top of it. Track where the locking bar intersects with the roof by going in a line straight up from the lock. Insert the prybar (you might have to hammer it down in) about an inch to the side of that position, toward the hinge. Pry the sucker open. Once you've got the top open, you can see where the locking bar goes into the side, pry that open too. From there you can yank the door open and grab anything you want.

A successful break-in to a vending machine should take less than three minutes. Doing it this way also doesn't damage the machine enough to make it unusable. In fact, it takes less than five minutes of welding to fix, thus the vending company loses very little... some product and a couple hundred dollars is chump change compared to the $7000 it costs for the machine. If you don't trash the machine, there's less of a chance the company will follow up on busting you for breaking into it.

There, I hope you're happy.

5.0 - How to scam Bill changers


When I say bill changer, I mean a machine whose single purpose is to take bills and render them into change ... nothing more.
Bill changers are the God of all vending machine thefts. Not only will they have the bills in them that they've already changed, but the coins left to change many more. The lowest dollar amount I've seen in a bill changer is $400, and that was a very small one. Most of the time this number remains static for accounting purposes, so you'll always end up with an even dollar amount if you get it all.

The problem is, as a lot of vending machines already have dollar bill acceptors included in them, bill changers will usually only be found in an area with a large amount of machines... which means higher security, more traffic, i.e. harder to steal. If you find one out on its own, you just won the lottery.

The easiest way to classify bill changers for thievery is by size. Here's why; bill changers are damn near impossible to open without a key. You'd need hours to take out the lock, pry the door, or cut a hole in them. Yet, they're not impossible to steal from.

There's a reason most vending machines accept their own bills. To make a bill changer convenient, it has to be as small as possible, to admit more machines that actually make money. This is utterly moronic. The smaller something is, the easier it is to steal.

If you see a small bill changer attached to the side of a vending machine, it's usually only held on by a couple of small bolts. If you see it freestanding, the lower half of it is usually nothing but a stand made of sheet metal.

When you get a chance, take your trusty prybar and pry the sucker off the side of the machine. It'll come right off too, because neither of the sides of the machines are really designed to hold that much pressure... and bolts that thin aren't usually very strong. If it's attached to the floor, I'm willing to bet the metal making up the stand of the changer isn't as strong as the prybar.

Detach it and take the whole fucking thing... then you can open it at your leisure. Very, very few vendors actually take the time to properly secure their bill changers. Be careful though, those things are incredibly heavy.

Bill changers also come in a big size, usually about four feet tall. These you can mainly forget about. Even if you got in somehow... they usually have a mechanical alarm in them using a can of compressed air and an air horn. If you break in, you're fucked anyway, even if the thing's unplugged. Good luck trying to move them too.

However, there is one thing you can do. Sharply pop the lock bar with the heel of your hand. Sometimes it will pop open, because the dumbass operator didn't push it in all the way.

Enjoy!


6.0 - How to get into pay phones

Okay, so you want to break into a payphone. They're tough nuts, I'll give them that. Hardened steel alloy all around. Take a sledgehammer to one, you still won't crack the case. So, all you have to do is attack the weakest point. It isn't that hard really. You just have to get past that little trick the manufacturer played on you.
That little keyhole in the front of the cash box? That isn't the lock. It opens the box, but the real lock is on the side of the phone. There are two; one opens the front face of the phone for service, the other unlocks the cash box. The bottom lock on the side holds the crossbar behind the cash box in place, keeping it from moving unless that lock is opened first.

It's a double-sided lock usually, or cylinder lock. Pick, drill, pull.. open that lock first. Picking is usually the most effective, it allows you to keep the lock mainly intact so that you can turn the locking bar. Then, you can turn the crossbar inside the box by using that little, simple lock on the front of the big, shiny square. All you need there is a rather sturdy, small "T" shaped piece of metal... it's not all that complicated.

Payphones are easy targets, they're usually out in the middle of BFE with nobody around so you can take your time. They're made that way, so people stranded out there can make a call. Two minutes of picking can usually net you an average of $50.


7.0 - Easy way of stealing money from soda machines (Stuffing)

A good way to scam a soda or most other vending machines

1. Find the little change return slot thingy.

2. Find piece of rigid cardboard.

3. Stick piece of cardboard up change return blocking all change.

4. Come back and remove cardboard. Dance while coins rain from the machine like your in Vegas.

5. Stop dancing and run away.

I think I�ll just state the obvious and say that you do it in a machine that sells cans not the $1 bottles and cans for sixty to sixty five cents there�s a good chance that a person will have three quarters. Also collect the money at night. I�ve never done it myself but some one tried to pull something like that at a machine I used with a tissue that i removed i got three dollars and thwarted them. If you ever collected more than 3 dollars a day some one would complain or find the jam making it so you get no money. 3 is an arbitrary number but it�s around what I believe to be accurate. The trick for you would be to put the jam in a vending machine that is high traffic enough that you can get the money quickly enough so that no one realizes what�s going on. and low traffic enough that you stand a good chance that no whiners or inquisitive people use the machine. If you get any more than that people are dumber than I thought.

8.0 � More Stuffing

The above was an example of "stuffing" here is a simplified method that is best done in isolated areas on payphones with little risk.
There are dangers and there are benefits to this method.
Ok dangers first. There may be a spike and you could get your finger jabbed.
Ok benefits. you could make a lot of money if you get a routine going in high traffic areas.
How its done: you get a wire hanger and make a hook that will fit pretty high up the change slot. Now get toilet paper and stuff and stuff and stuff. ok drop about 3 pennies in the coin slot. did they fall out. if not your set if they did keep stuffing. ok no depending on how much traffic the phone gets you should visit between 1-3 days apart. then restuff every time you cash in. How to cash in? Remember that wire stick it in the change slot the pick at the tissue till it falls apart and the change plops out. hold the change door open when doing this because if there is a lot of change the door could shut and not be open able. This is bad because you get no money. If the picling the toilet paper out with the wire is boring you and you want a funnier way or the tissue is stuck and unable to be removed then fill the change slot with any flammable liquid that turns into a gas then light. The tissue should go up in flames. The weakend tissue will eventually give way to the weight of the coins after being burnt and then cha-ching . Good luck.

9.0 � Credits


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inreference to the parking meter thing:

parking meters have a nasty habit of being screwed onto the poles in mah town. i have found though that its hard to get leverage
enough to unscrew the single meters.

however, the twin unit meters in mah town are quite easy to extract $ phrom. it dawned on me one day that the prybar that i had been using to crack can banks (those machines that you put your cans into and it gives you $ back) was just the right size to fit around the heads of those grand twin units. what i did was i placed the hooked end of the prybar around the heads and then slipped a 6 foot steel tube around the end of mah prybar. i then proceded to push clockwise until the threads phinally broke. it initially twisted the pole some but, as if there were a god, it came off. i then took mah new found ornament home and opened it with a 30 pound hammer. within, i phound close to $35 in change. since then, i have played with the parking meters only when i really needed the money.

if however, you chose to look at parking meters as a target of vengence or a possable income, i would suggest using as truck with the tail gate down and a good bit of reverse. (i once heard of someone doing that on a city street and wipping out like 30 meters)

i really dont know what else to post....i think im drunk.....kool. happy hunting

You can't salt them any more because of the reason he said and the bill changers the only way you might be able to screw with them is if you got a $20 from the 70s or 80s when ever they made them with out the zinc strip and in the 80s when $10 were zinc less and in the early 90s when $5 were zinc less
(zinc = that lil metallic strip on the left side in between the bill) and then

scanned it on the best scanner you could buy probly look like a fax machine and a very extreemly high quality laser printer then you would need to call a paper distributer near you or go to kinkos and have them order a ream of
(it has to be this)(depending on the age of the machine if it is newer you may need to get a smaller poundage and more cotton)

24Lb. Certificate White Bond 25% Cotton and

the size you want is legal size normal is 8 1/2 X 11 legal is 8 1/2 X 14 (that allows you to make $5 off each page or $25 $100 depending on what type you are printing)
and print it on that but when you scan it and the image comes up you need to edit it exactly like this

The front side of the dollar bill is all black except for the serial and seal All those parts where there are webs You need to shade certain parts light grey and dark grey (the old ones arent real high quality its easy(that is for lower quality printers))Then take the green on the serial and make it darker or lighter depending on the printer you got then the seal is a bit hard you can experiment with diff ways and the two signatures and the state seal along with its number and

the 'The united states of america ' 'Washington dc' 'Federal reserver note ' need to be in the darkest black then print it on all five hundred sheets and they need to be printed 1 1/2 to 2 mm away from the left edge

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like that but five in a row but if you can get 11 1/2 by 14 then you can add to on the side going length wise after that then scan the back and you can tell wich parts are really dark you need to zoom in on them and add tiny black dots all through the green (on the actual presses they print it twice once with black and once with the green) then line it all up and print it on the back
of those 500 sheets but you need to line every one up exactly or you just wasted all that time and ink for nothing then you can take a trip to another state in your car bring your bike and ride all around the town and hit the change machines if you did it in one dollar bills then yopu will want to bring 5 friends or so with you and also hit vending machines insert the bill and hit the change button but do it quickly cuz ppl tend to wonder why you stood there for an hour and got so much change and if they come up close stop what you are doing and don't let them see the bills DUH and if they ask why you are doing it say you have a laundry mat or you own a small business cuz if they just walked up they don't know how much change you have in that black bag offer to let them use it and when they get done pull out a real dollar bill preferably an old crincly one and say damn maam can you give me a useable dollar bill that way they think you
you are actually using real ones and stick it in you will get the change back so no loss but the suspision is gone and do it in a wierd hair cut niot your normal then when you get done for good get your hair cut short as hell and wear non normal colors or some type of crapy uniform you would never wear that way they wont be able to find you And don't do it in your state and if a police officer walks up say that you are having a garge sale sunday at some gay address and ask if they would want to come have a lil convo with them and slip in that you are getting all the change for the garge sale

now I forget wich machine type pepsi or coca cola or dr pepper i think pepsi you can get a small pry bar about one foot long the type that has and end for pulling nails and on the side of the door there isnt a very big cover plate pry the door open 1 cenimeter and there is the dollar bill box (really good on dollar per bottle machines)and take a screw driver a really long one and get of that metal thing on the top and get a hanger and pull out all them bills if it is a spring loaded box once you pop off that metal piece they all pop up and you can use angled needle nosed plyers and get 20 bills at a time (if it is a fully sold out machine it has 125 -$150) it takes about 15 mins on each machine (my friend owns a vending machine company and some guy went all around houston and got all of his pepsi or dr pepper machines he got like $4000 in one night he said altough it is only one type of machine you can do that to tough)

the toilet paper idea is good but whats the point you do that and most of the machines have that side slot missing so when they go down if it jams up to much all of it spills in to a box on the side if you stuff it from the bottom and on the top you can only stuff it around so many curves with out breaking the plastic and it has the over the top missing so it spills over after so long so the most you can make is $4.00 on the candy machines steal thier brains they cost $300 used and you can find them in most of the alleys at the cheap motels along the high ways of the usa shit if you needed a couple thousand quickly you can do that

all i ever wanted was some type of code to punch in so i could get all the free food i wanted
I herd if you take a small sheet of metal conect one clamp of the jumper cable to it and shove it in the bill slot real fast and tap the other end of the cable to it whilst it trys to read it it will fry the magnetic strip part and up the balance to some fuckin way to high ammount and cause it to dispense all of its change and give you a soda

Also never touch that paper you still leave finger prints on paper

Parking meters have shity locks usually not pin but wafer in most towns they all use the same key go to http://www.galls.com/ <--One of my fav mags order a mag if you don't have a credit card and order a pick set get out a tension wrench and probly the best pick for the pin and tumbler is half diamond rake pick
for the wafers use the double circle rake pick once it is open most of them have a lil plastic box that holds the change now that door when opened has a lil pin in the bottom
once open you can remove the pin and the door take it with you go some where else like home and remove the lock from it take it to a lock smith and tell him you don't want a new lock like that cuz you want to keep the original lock and you don't want him to replace the pins but you want a key for it it will take him about 20-30 mins and about $20 cost and then you have a key to all the meters in your town if he asks where the lock came from tell em it is from a display case your grandma gave you and pretend to be real stuborn and after five mins he will stop trying to sell you a new lock and make you that key then you have a key when ever you seem to have no change get
on an emty street and open one and steal all the change out of the plastic box and put the box back and lock it that way they wont figure out some one has a key leave a lil change to or hit every one in the town at 2 am or if you have a purse or big pockets go up to your parking meter attach a pair of vice grips or channel lock to it and turn it real hard and you will break the two pieces of metal that stoped you from turning it if no change is inserted also if you are really cheap and have some time ever herd of "woden nickles" you can order cylinders of of plastic from some companies or go to wal mart and buy a few dowel sticks and go to a flea market and buy one of those food chopper things and cut you up 100s of new plastic quarters Nickles and dimes they work for all quarter machines and parking meters
not on vending machines, telephones, or what ever else only mechanicle coin operated things