Ooops!

Nox

team up on sivvy regardless of circumstances.

isn't that always my thing? cold-hearted industry taking advantage of america? o well, i don't mind. i was just trying to make an argument.

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Originally posted by Joe Boo:
One thing about Bush is that he isn't completley stupid. You can't get a degree from Harvard Business School for being a dumbass.

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Lot of good that did him when he ran the oil company he was GIVEN into the ground. Money and politics can easily get anyone a degree.

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Originally posted by Sgt. Baker:

Lot of good that did him when he ran the oil company he was GIVEN into the ground. Money and politics can easily get anyone a degree.

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There is something going on behind the scenes concerning anyone who has never tasted failure. that's life.

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Originally posted by Sgt. Baker:

Lot of good that did him when he ran the oil company he was GIVEN into the ground.

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The company was an oil exploration company. Most, I repeat most, of those companies go broke. Your post has what point?

Nox

1] The "Point" being: Knowledge to discuss & debate? To bring forth Info. for others to make their own analyisis or confirmation?

2]After all in america w/ all its weapons, who wouldn't surrender or comply to a "Razor Knife" ( and to think I spent all that money on a gun to protect myself, sheeesh )
;']

3] Why would they have to go through Pakistan to reach the S.Sea? it's below, not connected that I can see.Although its hard to find a decent map on line, most links to that area are removed.

Peace out!

I've said this over and over again, but all that happens is that i get flamed.

CTR

Yep thats excactly what happened
The us government attcked afganastan for the reason of geeting oil
but also besides that they wanted to control the opium crops.Whoever controls the drugs controls thw world and they know that very well
think about it
we made such a big deal about the opium crops and the worlds supply of heroin.and when the us was over there they didnt touch the crops
the main thing is this
the us wants to be the rulers of the world and oil and drugs make the most money
and whoever has the money has the power

Let me add a few more questions and issues here:

Is there actually a contradiction beween protecting US interests in oil, and in going after Saddam (also) for the reason that he is a threat to much more than the oil business?!

Was it coincidence that the 9-11 attack happened a "convenient time" after Bush Jr took office, bringing along a lot of his father�s former government and advisors?!

George Bush Sr. who first clandestinely helped Saddam, and then went to war against him, in a way that could be described as stabbing Saddam in the back. At least Saddam would have had good reasons to feel betrayed by Bush Sr and his accomplishes.

Is the probably up-coming war on Iraq (also) the REAL retaliation for the 9-11 attacks?!
If so, is it unjustified?!

If it�s "only" to protect the oil, it actually happens to do so, also on behalf of the rest of the world, even if US oil companies profit the most from it. The other scenario happens to be a paralell to the oil-crisis of the 1970-ies, but much worse. IF Saddam goes berserk that is, but he�s likely to, one day or another, so we might be forced to choose the lesser evil here. (If it is to be called evil or sinister at all. ther are not so many people nowadays who call the murder attempts on Hitler "evil" or "sinister"...)

Is military force the only option (left) to deal with Saddam, and/or to gain control of the oil in the middle east?! If not, what should be done instead?!

Or is the whole thing a scheme; (part of) a complicated conspiracy, aiming for the oil and nothing but the oil and profit and (world) power?! If so, couldn�t the part that involves Iraq and Afghanistan have been acclompished in a less complicated manner...?

No, I�m not trying to defend Bush & Co. I also happen to be one of the weirdos who dislike war, be it from legitimate UN associated countries or from terrorists.

it�s just that:

What seems most obvious is often what is in most need of being questioned and looked into.

Non Serviam! Wiezny kwiat wtadza, to ye all! FoxLeonard

Edit: typo


Q: How does the U.S. know Iraq has weapons?


A: They read thier receipt!


ha ha ha ha

[This message has been edited by Blurry (edited 10-17-2002).]

Oil business my fucking ass. Yes, we will get the oil. And yes, someone will get rich. But it won't be Bush.

Look, Saddam is a madman. There is no doubt that he will use a nuke as soon as he can. He's played cat-and-fucking-mouse long enough. If Clinton did his damn job, then there would have been no Taliban on 9-11 and no Saddam Hussein.

And what the fuck is up with these idiots who think we had no right to topple the Taliban? That is such a load of uninformed, uneducated, illiterate, Green Party propaganda dogshit.

Here's quite possibly the most ignorant thing I've ever heard: "Why did the U.S. bomb Afghanistan, when Bin Laden's from Saudi Arabia?"

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So good to see that alot of you think like me & my buds. (Its all the truth!)
Even during the pres. elections I kept saying that GWBush was just a replica of Bush Sr, and the "Regan Years". (shudder)

My 'psycho-babble' is only confirmed with his cut taxes (for the 'elite few', start a war, get Sadam. Same song and dance...same transparent plan.
Hope you all vote...!

Clinton significantly weakened the country, the CIA, FBI and anyone who you may think were supposed to be watching out for this shit weren�t cuz they were to busy in-fighting.

Now what we should do is what should have been done in the gulf war. Drain every drop of oil out of the Iraq and bring it here..

I was going to post a similar thread intil I read this one. Dark magneto is absolutly right. key points: !*Oil is what our economy runs on*! there is no way around it. The states cannot produce enough oil to support itself making it Oil dependant, depending on other sources to run its economy. If a country like Iraq doesn't like the idea of world domination by a western power such as the states they could cut it of from oil, its that simple. BUSH NEEDS OIL THAT HE DOESNT HAVE SO HE WILL TAKE IT BY FORCE IF U DONT GIVE IT UP. All the shit surrounding this issue is an attempt to mask outright imperialistic greed.

On another note Oil is a finite resource and alternative energy sources are the next logical step. I believe we will convert into a hydrogen economy, READ: http://www.howstuffworks.com/hydrogen-economy.htm
BTW INVEST in hydrogen energy related companies if u can an index is here: http://www.h2fc.com/defaultIE4.html
It is the next logical step because the government will NOT wait until we suck the earth dry of oil then scramble for a solution.
The people who will control the hydrogen economy will be the people with the $$$ to set up the infastructure... the oil companies.

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Originally posted by buttthrax:
Oil business my fucking ass. Yes, we will get the oil. And yes, someone will get rich. But it won't be Bush.

Look, Saddam is a madman. There is no doubt that he will use a nuke as soon as he can. He's played cat-and-fucking-mouse long enough. If Clinton did his damn job, then there would have been no Taliban on 9-11 and no Saddam Hussein.

And what the fuck is up with these idiots who think we had no right to topple the Taliban? That is such a load of uninformed, uneducated, illiterate, Green Party propaganda dogshit.

Here's quite possibly the most ignorant thing I've ever heard: "Why did the U.S. bomb Afghanistan, when Bin Laden's from Saudi Arabia?"

[This message has been edited by buttthrax (edited 10-21-2002).]

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^^^^^ = Nationalism at its WORST.

I stand by my statements.

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Originally posted by Sgt. Baker:
This does sound like a Bush bashing thread. Anyway, I think most of you are giving Bush too much credit. IMHO he's not smart enough to have pulled something like that off.

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Of course he isn't smart enough to pull something like that off. Dubya was strategically placed in the position he is in today by his father and grandfather. Follow his biography and list of accomplishments and tell ME what he ever did to deserve being president? The general populace knew this, and it took a massive rigging of the voting process (i.e.: that dirty little Op Procedure in Fla.) to get the "brat" in office. He is being used as a puppet by those at reign behind the scenes. Most of the posters on this message board probably have a better grip on foreign affairs than Dubya does. It's no coincidence that every single member of his panel is a multi-millionaire tied to the Oil Industry somehow. Why do you think such great pains have been taken to prevent the inventions of oil and fuel alternatives? Who cares that such an invention would abolish most enviromental fuckups, make it more economic to travel and possibly revolutionize a new standard of clean air living? Too many billionaires might lose a few zeros behind their net worth. And mercy sakes alive... we can't let that happen. No Siree Bush. I mean, Bob.