If you don't believe me, download the first six chapters of "Tob Shebbe Goyim!" ("Kill the Best Gentiles!") at http://www.holywesternempire.org
This book is dynamite- no fluff, just meat.
The Illumanti is far more evil than most conspiracy researchers seem capable of accepting. Their goal is not just petty World Domination- they ALREADY have that!

Sounds like White Trash Neo Nazi bullshit to me.

but go ahead and part with your money if you like.

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If you don't believe me, download the first six chapters of "Tob Shebbe Goyim!" ("Kill the Best Gentiles!") at http://www.holywesternempire.org
This book is dynamite- no fluff, just meat.
The Illumanti is far more evil than most conspiracy researchers seem capable of accepting. Their goal is not just petty World Domination- they ALREADY have that!

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I wouldnt totally agree with you on that one. I do believe alot of the most powerful people in this country are Jewish. Seems kinda odd, go figure. The world has been dominated, capitalism is the wool over all our eyes. Everyone (meaning countries, and people too for that matter) is starting to believe that they need to be part of the global market. Those that control the global market control the world. Europe is already becoming unified. Soon developing countries will be too. In the end though, what can be done? Try and live best you can, and accept the prison cell you were given. At least you have a glimpse of the green pastures.

Has there ever been a conspiracy thats been solved?

The book at that website is FREE, its only the last six chapters that cost money. You don't need to read the other sex chapters if you don't care about it!
I'm glad to know we are at least anti-globalism. Just make sure no commies or jews are runnign your anti-globalism program, or they will make you suffer!

Who are ten of "the most powerful people in this country"? Name them. Explain why they're powerful.

I'm afraid I'm not qualified to name the top ten most powerful people myself, but I am certain that they are all jewish, as jews do not permit any gentiles to have serious power if they can prevent it, and they can prevent it.

You said that this book you're quoting is "no fluff, just meat." I didn't say that I wanted you to name "the top ten," just "ten of the most powerful people". If your book is so full of "meat", and not "fluff", it must have mentioned a few names. If you think there's some global conspiracy that's controlling things, you must have some idea of how it works and what it does.

So how does it work? What is it that makes these people you're worried about so powerful? Who are they and what are their names? What do they do?

Give us some of that meat that you mentioned. Otherwise everyone here will assume you're full of fluff.

1. mel brookes; sitcom writer, people do not realise this fucker is readily putting propaganda on the many shows he has wrote. he changed his last name so christians wouldn't immediately expect him to be a kike... what an evil fukk.

2. jerry seinfeld; comedian and actor, his sitcoms are ALWAYS in some way or another building social rules and liberal beliefs that unbeknownst viewers are absorbing.

3. ariel sharon; politician and murderer, 69 countries in the world are against this man's ethnic cleansing stance in isreal, he has been found PERSONALLY responsible for palestinian deaths by many international tribunals.

Okay root, it's late at night so I'm too tired to write anymore. Please add on to this list everyone! I will leave you with one more thought: Isreal recieves the most financial funding from the USA than any OTHER NATION! The entire continent of Africa (even with the AIDS epidemic) recieves LESS FINANCIAL SUPPORT THAN THESE ETHNIC CLEANSING HYPOCRITICAL KIKES! (===conspiracy!====) Americans are being exposed to there propaganda at a young age in american schools (does anyone remember being taught about the holocaust?), this is causing the mass american population to be ignorant to their cold blooded murder and world domination in politics and entertainment. They're religion is based on them being inheridetely God's chosen people! Personally, they've given me enough reasons to support (not participate)of the wipe out of this race before it does ours!

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I agree with Sivvy. Here are some jews, you may wish to read "Who Rules America" at http://www.natall.com , although I MUST point out (and you must accept) that I am not a member of the National Alliance myself (they are too suit and tie and have too many problematic members for my taste)-


President Bill Clinton, with an Ivy League-Rhodes Scholar-Marxist indoctrinated mind, and subject to both blackmail and extortion, appointed many JEWS/CFR/TRI to sensitive positions in the UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT,
including: SUPREME COURT JUSTICES Ruth
Bader Ginsberg, and Stephen Breyer, JEWS; SECRETARY OF STATE, Madeleine K. Albright, JEW; UNDER-SECRETARY OF STATE, Stuart Eizenstat, JEW; ASST. SECY. STATE, Stanley
Roth, JEW; SECRETARY OF DEFENSE, William
Cohen, JEW; SENIOR ADVISOR TO THE PRESIDENT,
Rahm Emanuel, JEW; WHITE HOUSE ATTORNEY,
Bernie Nussbaum, JEW; CEO CENTRAL
INTELLIGENCE AGENCY (CIA), John Deutch, JEW
(now under investigation for treason); NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR, Sandy Berger, JEW; SECRETARY OF THE TREASURY, Robert Rubin, JEW; HEAD OF THE NATIONAL AERONAUTICAL AND SPACE ADMINISTRATION
(NASA), Daniel E. Golden, JEW; SOCIAL
SECURITY ADMINISTRATOR, Kenneth Apfel, JEW;
HEAD OF DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE, D.
Glickman, JEW; and several Cabinet posts, including, Robert Reich, Donna Shalala, Alice Rivlin (FED), Robert Morris
("the toe sucker"), et al � all are JEWS whose sole allegiance, bound by the KOL NIDRE OATH, is to the Khazar tribe, and to the TALMUD, which vows the destruction of
Western Civilization.

[The Above is quoted from "Tob Shebbe Goyim Harog", the book I mentioned above]

thanks saturn for the page. I'm listening to "a litany of lies" right now. Great stuff! By the way, the sources I got those facts from (not the list, the list is what I see with my own two eyes) was www.pmwatchers.com it's a pro palistinian page (which may bother some, but not me, these people are being slaughtered, i'll stand up for these people anyday.). It's a great page, 95% of it is fantastic, while the small portion that isn't that great is just vague- not propaganda or lies. I think it's a good idea on this forum to site where we recieved any facts so a)others can check out the page and b)no one makes shit up, that's the jewish game after all. Does anyone know of a pro-isreal page that is chock full of a bunch of lies and propaganda, i'd like to check that out. Thanks.

P.S. I edited my last post at the end, not because I changed my opinion, but I realised that i can get in some deep shit for threats like that, be careful ladies and gentleman, 9/11 reunion is coming up, so you better believe there is a handful of government workers checking out forums like this for terroristic threats. Just simply change the words around so it's not a direct threat.

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Read this Articlefrom Freedomdomain.net
Roots of Racism and Anti-Semitism
by R.J. Tipton
I was born and raised Jewish. So I don't want to hear any of that "This person must be a racist, he espouses views identical to those right-wing Christian conservatives". And for those Christians out there, you are not the only ones that know about the New World Order, and despite the fact that
many of you believe it is really a Jewish conspiracy, and I don't agree, does not negate the validity of a
true genuine conspiracy.
On the contrary, I would hereby like to make light of the "Christian conspiracy" to replace religion,
brainwash peoples minds, and change the truth of REAL history. (This is really just a joke, but there is
seriousness and truth to it.)
Well now that i've gotten everyone to listen carefully, (shock has it's value, heh) I can now bring
forth my proposition.
Do Jews really rule the world? A good question! And if you don't have a good understanding of the
background of history and religion and language, it might appear that they do. It also might appear that
"Satan" runs the world. It also might appear that "women" control the world. Or one might jump to the
conclusion that the Vatican is behind it all. Some say the Vatican is really Jewish. Some believe that the
Rothschilds control the world and that the Rothschilds are Jewish and that is proof enough. Still others,
like Christian Identity promote the belief that the Jews are sub-humans along with the black (mud
people) and that the Aryan white race is the true Jews, God's chosen people, while the "other" Jews
are "imposter" Jews, who are really Khazars, and not Jews at all. So what is the truth and how does one
find out exactly with everything conflicting so much?
The first question you would have to ask yourself is, "When we say 'Jews', who are we talking
about? Like as if to say, "The Christians control the world". Well which Christians are you talking
about? There are two main groups of Jews. Sephardic (orthodox) and Ashkenazie (reform). According
to John Allegro, the early Christians were entirely different from today's modern Christianity. Modern
Christians could be referred to as "reform" christians, since they mostly are not "true" christians.
According to Allegro, in "The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross", the "True Christians" were mushroom
consuming and did not believe in Christ as an actual man, but understood the symbology. So, first we have to decide from which "VIEWPOINT" we are going to examine this
question. I like to examine things from many "viewpoints", for the fun of it. Now the African Americans
say they are the "Real Jews". Try that on for size.
The next question would be to determine if we talking about a "RACE" or a "RELIGION". A race is
"fixed" and a religion is "interchangeable". In other words, one can't say "i'm going to change my race",
but one can say "i'm going to change my religion". So are we talking about a "Race" or a "Religion"?
Since we all agree that "Judaism" is a religion, then the next logical thought would be: Religions come
and go. First there was Babylonian, ancient Pagan religion, later there was the Egyptian, which was the
same as the Babylonian, but adopted for the time in Egypt, then there came Judaism, which was the
same as Egyptian, but adopted for the time and location, and then came Christianity, which is a
RIP-OFF of Judaism, but adopted for the time and location. Each one borrowing from or RIPPING
OFF from the previous religion. So now going back to the original question. "Do 'Jews' run the world?"
Saying that they do would be akin to saying that the "Egyptians" run the world, or the "Babylonians" or
even the "Christians", especially those Christians, since they are the predominant religion, or the
"Catholics" even. I think it is a little silly to say that a "Religion" runs the world. A "Religion" cannot
control the world, people behind it have to pull the strings, and in most cases the people pulling the
strings will give or take a religion or any one will do.
Also, another thing to look at is language. Which language "rules" in the world today". ENGLISH, not
HEBREW. That is interesting.
The next thing I would like to point out is the fact that there are many "Jews" in the world today.
Are they all in on it together? I certainly don't have knowledge of Jews that are rich and powerful in my
life. I don't remember any secret meetings when I was little or growing up. Nobody ever sat at the
dinner table during Hannukah and said "Boy, we're really cleaning up with that 'Christmas' bit, with
everyone going out and buying up all those presents from the stores we own in our family". Anyways, if
there was a Jewish conspiracy going on while I was growing up, I never saw it. There isn't a group of
"Jews" that get together that is known in the conspiracy world of research. There is no "JEWISH
GROUP", at least that I know of. There is no "Order of the Most High Rabbi". There are however,
many "Masonic Lodges", which conduct secret meetings all the time and they HAVE been around and
documented for a long time. I know there are Jewish people in Masonry, but there are also, Black
Muslim, Catholic, Christian, Spanish, French, German, Italian and many other races and nationalities.
This leads us to the next question. Are the Masons really a Jewish organization in disguise? After all,
they use "Jewish" symbols like the "Star of David" Etc.
They also use symbols like the "Cross and the Crown" of the Knights Templar and Jehovah's
Witnesses, and Christian Science. All of which are "Christian" based groups, and the Templars were a
Catholic Christian Order. Anyone, who stoops low enough these days can become a Mason regardless
of race, religion, or nationality. Besides the "Top" Masons know the "Truth" of Religion and you
cannot go into Masonry with a Religion in mind, they will wipe it from your desires and beliefs by
teaching you the hidden truth. So this is why I don't believe the Masons are in fact a "Jewish" organization in disguise. I do think that they borrow heavily from "Jewish" customs though,
only because Judaism was a primary focal point in religious history.
Next, the issue of the Khazars. There is a book by Arthur Koestler called "The Thirteenth Tribe",
where he elaborates on the fact that a group of Turks living at the time of the Roman Empire had a
mighty empire themselves, strong enough to keep the Romans back. He goes on to say that they
adopted Judaism in the early days before the fall of Rome. Hence, the statement by some people,
mostly "Christian Identity" that the modern "Jews" are not the "True Jews", but imposter Jews. Well,
that might be true of the "Ashkenazie" Jews, but what about the Sephardic Jews? And this is where a
little truth is mixed in with a bunch of lies by those who espouse "Christian Identity". They will point
this fact out and then claim that the "Imposter Jews" were born from an affair that "Eve had with
Satan". (This is how they keep the "Truly Stupid" among the ranks of Christian Identity) Then they go
on to say they are the "True Jews" because there is some evidence that shows that the early "Brit-ish"
people were one of the 12 tribes of Israel. (Brit meaning Covenant and ish meaning man, therefore
"man of the Covenant", Etc.) I would not deny this fact either, nor the Khazar arguement, but most of
them cannot and could not ever show a geneology chart with their own ancestry, yet alone showing it
leads back to Great Britain in the early British Isles 1500 years ago. Also, as far as the "Khazar"
arguement goes, even the author states that "If the people we consider to be Jews are not Jews in fact,
then there goes the whole arguement of Anti-Semitism".
The next question is "Where does "Christian Identity", which is virulently racist, come from? Where
did it start? And how did it gain such momentum? "Identity" can be traced back to the Masonic Lodges
and Albert Pike, Grand Master of the Scottish Rite in the Southern Jurisdiction, also founder of the
KKK. Then it was called the "Knights of the Golden Circle". I will expand on this more, soon. It can
also be traced to what are called the "British Race Patriots" of Great Britain, in the late 1800's. This was
the beginning of "British Israelism".

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Since we all agree that "Judaism" is a religion, QUOTE]

I disagree.

I'm glad you found it useful Sivvy, although I don't agree with the National Alliance per se, at least not their overall tactics and some of the "conservatives" (connedservantives- "maguire" quote from http://www.FAEM.com - my FAVORITE site) they have which mess it up for the True folks. Still, I wish them well and the least amount of suffering as they can avoid because of their faulty leadership and tactics.

NOW, for the guy who posted some shit about British Israel, KKK, and "What? A CONSPIRACY already? Mesugga!" article- as soon as I saw the words "British Israel" and "KKK" I decided not to read it. Don't know those folks, don't care! You can't lump me in with the Christians or those who live in the past, sorry :-) I'm not a skinhead (don't have the build or location), not a country boy (I'm from Philadelphia), nor do I believe in giant flying jews like Jesus F. Christ. I also don't own a uniform, and I don't watch Jenny Jones, Jerry Springer, Montel, Geraldo, etc. In fact, the only time I look at the TV is if the Simpsons are on.

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thinkers come in many different forms.

Alan Greenspan is pretty powerful. So is Michael Eisner and Gerry Levine.

Sivvy, you're such a moron. I ask for powerful people and you name Mel Brooks and Jerry Seinfeld? Powerful? Seinfeld? So exactly how does Spaceballs fit into the Jewish Master Plan For Taking Over the World? You think that poking fun of people who double-dip their potato chips in the onion dip is part of Jerry's Master Enslavement Plan? Both of these guys are funny. They've used their ability to make people laugh to make money. If, like you, they didn't make people laugh, they wouldn't be able to make any money.

Oh yeah, Ariel Sharon is Jewish. HE'S THE PRIME MINISTER OF ISRAEL YOU MORON, OF COURSE HE'S JEWISH. You think the Israelis are going to elect a BUDDIST or something? That's aboust as likely as a Muslim or a Shintoist or an ATHIEST being elected in this country.

You could be funny if you weren't so pathetic.

And you Saturnrocketx, you can't even think for yourself, all you can do is track down hate sites and regurgitate what they say. You find a handful of names that you think may be Jewish. So what? There are more than twenty times that many White Male Christians holding positions of power in this country. I bet you're not even worried about Jews or Blacks or Women or Gays taking over, you're worried that the White Christian Males who have conspired to keep power to themselves since this country was founded are losing ground. You're worried that they can't guarantee a high paying job to a loser like you just because you're white. You're worried that you might actually have to compete for that high-paying job against people who actually paid attention in school, did their homework, and made better life choices than you did. So now you're banding together with your fellow white trash loser friends and trying to keep anyone different than yourselves down. If you can keep them down, then you might be able to get that high-paying job you're not qualified for and don't deserve just because you're white.

Enigma I've decided to create a word in your honor, a name for you- Eniggamapigvomitoad. Now to figure you into the basic Class, Phylum, Kingdom, etc.
First of all, I am not a Christian. Second of all I DO KNOW that most of the evil people in power are White. I think that the greatest enemy is the White who can get others to trust them, who then screws them with ease. Whites who betray other Whites for material profit or simply because they think they can get away with it are far worse than jews.
I have no worry about jobs myself, but for true laborer Whites it's crap work for low or no pay, counting on how many Mexicans are in their area or not.

There is more than what meets the eye... would you like a specific example from seinfeld? You don't deserve one you moron but, seinfeld casted jason alexander (also a jew) to play the role of george, a miserable neurotic christian (protestant if i remember right) who lies to get where he is going, and uses any form of deciet to his benefit. He hates himself as much as he hates the world. What is seinfeld saying about christians with this character? Don't you think it's a bit odd how he casts jews to play christian roles?

As for saying that entertainment does not effect you, that is the worst argument in the world. Even singe-celled organisms react from stimuli from their surrounding enviroment. IE what you see, you absorb and react to, whether you know it or not. Don't fucking think im stupid because you do not have the intellectual capabilities to think for yourslef and see past your own eyelids. BTW what do you know about my personality off of a couple of posts?

Christ, thanks for replying 2 weeks later.



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hey root, could a reply be possible before december???

Sivvy I think he's still trying to determine his phylum.

"Jerry Seinfeld is one of the most powerful people in this country." -- Sivvy

"I know how to cut AND paste." -- Ulsterman

"I don't know any actual big words so I make up new ones." -- SATURNROCKETX

"HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Respond to WHAT, exactly?" -- root

Ah, Saturnroketz, looks like your on this forum too. What a suprise....

Can someone tell me, in less than 500 words, just who the illumanti are? i've heard them mentioned before but have no idea what they're about.

Try to be objective....

Well, Suicidal Mongoose, having read the crap above, I almost started wondering myself. Little or nothing of it has to do with The Illuminati at all...
On the other hand, a lot of people use "the
illuminati, as a name for whatever alledged conspiracy they believe to rule the world.
So far I guess that the guy going to Saturn is right.
The real Illuminati was a small, pseudo Masonic group, started in Bavaria, Germany, by a professor named Adam Weisshaupt. They were liberalists and "freethinkers", along the same line as many Masonic lodges of the time, and along the same line as the people who started the French revolution, as well as the American revolution. Yes, it was partly the same guys...
For various reasons, the conspiranoiacs of that era, blamed the French revolution on Masons in general, and on The Illuminati in particular.
But The Ancient and Illuminated Seers of Bavaria, were nothing but a small group of
"occultists" with political ideas. They were soon also banned by the Bavarian King, and did probably NOT go under cover to continue.
As Adam Weisshaupt (probably) was Jewish, the conspiranoiac and anti-semitic writer Nesta Webster saw it fit to connect The Illuminati to the Protocols of The Elders of Zion. A fake "document" from an alledged meeting among a group of Jews, conspiring to "rule the world", no less.
In her books, written in the early 20th century, Nesta Webster "proves" that The Illuminati are still at large, following and working out the plan. But as the document is proven a fake, and the actual Illuminati were disbanned, there is little or nothing to suggest the she was even close to the "truth".
Still, she managed to kick off the 20th century version of The Illuminati Conspiranoia, that seems to dwell also in the 21st century.
Still, there is of course a small - SMALL -risk that The Illuminati were behind the revolutions, but in that case the term ZOG is a little useless, because then USA was FOUNDED by the alledged "Jewish Conspiracy", and there is no need to occupy what you already have, is there?!
Ewige Blumenkraft, to ye all! As Adam Weisshaupt would have said himself! Fox

Jews sure as fuck didn't fight the British with guns and swords. Jews don't find anything except host peoples, like tapeworms find intestines.
Illuminati was started by rich jews to carry out the Protocols of Zion, the Protocols being the workable program version of the Talmud, the Talmud being a collection of insane and evil criminal jewish religious beliefs. When you look for the Protocols of Zion in a search engine and you find the planted jewish websites which state that the "Protocols are forgeries", ask yourself this- Forgeries of WHAT?

why would the illuminati be jewish? there might be a few people that are jewish but most people in it are people like george w. bush and colin powell and other VERY important people in the world

I think it is

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The guy only just returning from Saturn asks
what the Protocols of the Elders of Zion are forgeries of. Is that some kind of trick question?!
They are obviously forgeries of "jewish plans to rule the world".

If the question was supposed to read: WHY should they be forgeries?! The answer is: to be able to blame someone for what is wrong in the world, and thereby justify change; revolution by force.
It was used this way both by the Bolsheviks and by the Nazis.And according to some sources the forgery was actually made by a group belonging to the Bolshevik community. Others say that the original forgeries are much older than that.
In any case they ARE forgeries and they will continue to be so, regardless of how many times they are said to be real protocols from a real meeting.

Deux Ex Machina asks why the Illuminati should be jewish, and then goes on saying that George W Bush and others are Illuminatii. I know for a fact that some of those guys are Knights of Malta, and/or so called lay members of Opus Dei. Catholic societies with political agendas.
To suggest that parts of the US government also belong to the Illuminati is to say that the Illuminati still exists, and
it�s very doubtful if we do...
Ewige Blumenkraft! Fox

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why would the illuminati be jewish? there might be a few people that are jewish but most people in it are people like george w. bush and colin powell and other VERY important people in the world

I think it is [QUOTE]Originally posted by tr0g:
White Trash Neo Nazi bullshit

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And I think you are suburban MTV trash, congradulations.
The Illuminati was started by a jewish Jesuit Priest and a rich jew in Bavaria. It was based on Hebrew scrolls translated by this jewish Jesuit Priest, scrolls provided by the rich jew.

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The guy only just returning from Saturn asks
what the Protocols of the Elders of Zion are forgeries of. Is that some kind of trick question?!
They are obviously forgeries of "jewish plans to rule the world".

If the question was supposed to read: WHY should they be forgeries?! The answer is: to be able to blame someone for what is wrong in the world, and thereby justify change; revolution by force.
It was used this way both by the Bolsheviks and by the Nazis.And according to some sources the forgery was actually made by a group belonging to the Bolshevik community. Others say that the original forgeries are much older than that.
In any case they ARE forgeries and they will continue to be so, regardless of how many times they are said to be real protocols from a real meeting.

Deux Ex Machina asks why the Illuminati should be jewish, and then goes on saying that George W Bush and others are Illuminatii. I know for a fact that some of those guys are Knights of Malta, and/or so called lay members of Opus Dei. Catholic societies with political agendas.
To suggest that parts of the US government also belong to the Illuminati is to say that the Illuminati still exists, and
it�s very doubtful if we do...
Ewige Blumenkraft! Fox

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FoxLeotard you don't seem to understand what "forgery" means. The jews screech that the Protocols of Zion are "FORGERIES". A FORGERY IS AN ALTERED COPY OF AN ORIGINAL DOCUMENT.
So the question IS, if the Protocols of Zion are a FORGERY, what are the Protocols of Zion BASED on. Obviously they must be based, if they are a forgery, on documents that equally expose jewish conspiracy tactics. So the jews are still guilty as charged because the Protocols have predicted almost every thing the jews have done in the 20th century and into this 21rst century without fail!
History proves the Protocols are actually what they purport to be.

Dear ReturnSocket, eh sorry, SaturnRocket!

We seem to have run into some kind of semantic confusion. Perhaps you�re right in saying that the word forgeries implies an original - like with forged bills. I don�t have a PhD in language, so I will not argue about that. I will rephrase myself instead.

The Protocols of The Elders of Zion are falsified; they are pure fiction. They are
documents from a meeting that never took place. Protocols of a meeting of a group that never existed. "Proof" of a conspiracy that didn�t exist then, much less continues now (for rather obvious reasons).

It might be true that some things mentioned
- "predicted" - in the Protocols have become
reality. But if so, it only means that the
guys who made up the documents had some knowledge, if not of the future, so of politics and political progression. That "the Jews" (an unspecified mass of people) should have acted according to the Protocols since the alledged meeting, and succeeded in doing so, without interferance, is not very plausible, much less convincing.

Yes, there ARE conspiracies, of wich some include people of Jewish origin, and/or of Jewish faith, But there is no such thing as a "jewish conspiracy", apart from a dozen or more "local" conspiracies in Israel, of course. But they struggle with the palestinian issue, or inside politics and religion, and have very little time to run the world, I can assure you.

There ARE conspiracies trying to run, if not the world, so as big a part of it as they can manage. Secret societies; "public" societies with hidden political agendas (like Opus Dei); "companies" with hidden political agendas (like Amway); "churches" with hidden political agendas (like The Unification Church, i.e. The Moonies); banks and bankirs with enough money to have political power and impact (yes, including the Rotschilds); secret groups within institutions (like people inside the CIA who don�t give a damn about protecting the USA, because they have their own agenda, for money or power or both). I could go on, but not now.

Some of the mentioned conspiracies work together, if not allways, so when it happens to suit their interests. But most fight eachother, directly or indirectly, because they all want the power for THEIR
group. If you look at it from outside, you don�t see an orderly schedule. It looks more like a plate of spaghetti, with everybody intwined in everybody else.
That "the Jews" should have managed to keep out of all that, and even managed to control it, because "The Elders of Zion" decided so at a meeting, seems strange, to say the least. And IF they managed, how come all the other conspiracies are still at large, including the anti semitic ones?!

IF "the Jews" rule and run the world, they seem to have totally lost control...

Last but not least, I still wonder where The Ancient Illuminated Seers of Bavaria enters the picture. Or, perhaps you meant
"The Illuminati" when you happened to write The Illuminati?!
Ewige Blumenkraft! Fox

Ugh.
If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck and smells like a duck, its a DUCK. The Protocols of Zion came true, thats good enough cred in my book!

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Ugh.
If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck and smells like a duck, its a DUCK. The Protocols of Zion came true, thats good enough cred in my book!

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Meaning that "the Jews" now run the world as we know it?! And they do so because Adam Weisshaupt used "the evil Talmud" when helping the "rich jew" to form the group that perhaps held the meeting from where The Protocols of The Elders of Zion come?!

When it looks like confusion and smells like confusion it IS confusion!

When dogma enters the brain, all intelectual activity ceases.

Along the way here some people have accused you of being racist. Perhaps you are, I don�t know. But what I do know is that you force everything into an already made up frame. A frame called "The Illuminati is Jewish". And I don�t know whom you fear the most, "The Illuminati" or "the Jews". Have you ever considered that there could be an actual conspiracy, trying to work out what you blame "the Jews" and their strange society "The Illuminati" for?! Have you ever considered that you could be RIGHT about certain things?! Let me assure you that you are, but as soon as you put into your "the Jews"-frame, it all falls apart.

I can also assure you that we are NOT heading for ye old gas chambers, as you suggested elsewhere...
Ewige Blumenkraft! FoxLeonard

[QUOTE]Originally posted by SATURNROCKETX:
You don't need to read the other sex chapters if you don't care about it!

hehe u said "sex chapters"

[QUOTE]Originally posted by root:
[B]Who are ten of "the most powerful people in this country"? Name them. Explain why they're powerful.

no way!! thats pretty cool!
i really must stop wasting time

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Originally posted by FoxLeonard:
Meaning that "the Jews" now run the world as we know it?! And they do so because Adam Weisshaupt used "the evil Talmud" when helping the "rich jew" to form the group that perhaps held the meeting from where The Protocols of The Elders of Zion come?!

When it looks like confusion and smells like confusion it IS confusion!

When dogma enters the brain, all intelectual activity ceases.

Along the way here some people have accused you of being racist. Perhaps you are, I don�t know. But what I do know is that you force everything into an already made up frame. A frame called "The Illuminati is Jewish". And I don�t know whom you fear the most, "The Illuminati" or "the Jews". Have you ever considered that there could be an actual conspiracy, trying to work out what you blame "the Jews" and their strange society "The Illuminati" for?! Have you ever considered that you could be RIGHT about certain things?! Let me assure you that you are, but as soon as you put into your "the Jews"-frame, it all falls apart.

I can also assure you that we are NOT heading for ye old gas chambers, as you suggested elsewhere...
Ewige Blumenkraft! FoxLeonard

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Sorry but I have my heart set on getting rid of the jews. This way, if they are blamed for something they didn't do, we'll know the accuser is lying! But it won't be gas chambers your right, the real system of judgement will be kept secret until its needed :-))

Dear Saturn, why don�t you take that rocket of your�s and fly to planet X (as in so rated)?! There are no jewish conspiracies there, but WE might be there too...

But enough of the friendly insults. You, so to speak, showed your cards, at last, saying that your aim is to destroy the jews, and you�re not working alone I guess.

What I�m trying to say, to you and to everybody else who might still check in here to read, is that you are RIGHT in many ways and in many details along the way. You have just "happened" to choose the wrong culprits. A defunct secret society, who�s power was questionable even when they existed, and an unspecified etno-religous group of people. The latter is compareable to calling the Nazi conspiracy "white protestant christian".

About the "ersatz" for the gas-chambers: who says we don�t already know what you have planned, for us as well as for the Jews?! Wietny kwiat wtadza? FoxLeonard



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[QUOTE]Originally posted by SATURNROCKETX:
r u a psycho who' s going to kill everyone! who's your daddy was saying shit about U?!

so wats the system of judgement, is this "judgement" going to apply to me as well? why r u gonna "judge" me? r u planning sum wierd stuff in your basement? r u on pills? did u forget to take them?
do u think the world is mean to u?
r u hte sniper?

I've read the book...

Gee...If something is written in a book it has to be true doesn't it?

This book is such a bunch of bullshit that only the severely mentally impared would actually believe the crap that is written in it.

Saturn... aside from this piece of shit book, have you actually done any research into the Illuminati? I think not.

There are organizations that are present in the world right now that are far worse than the 18th century Illuminati!

But then, hey, you might have to do a little more research to know about them than you did in finding this piece of literary propaganda trash... God forbid that you should have to actually STUDY to gain knowledge!

But...that wasn't your intent anyway, now was it?

You need to get your head on straight!

Why do you have this need to spread hate?


[This message has been edited by Ursus (edited 10-17-2002).]

Come on Saturn...

Tell us about the (20) Prime Directives of the Illuminati...

Can you list even (1) of them?

Otherwise...if you don't know what you're talking about...shut the fuck up...

You�re too much of an optimist Ursus! Hoping for an answer on that question, I mean...

As for Saturn�s research, he has actually done some, and even picked up rather a lot of the facts right. It�s the next step (of the rocket) that habitually fails.

If we could prove, with videotapes, documents and you name it, that the guys who run the world are extraterrestrials from Sirius, he would aknowledge this, only to continue:

"But the Jews made them do it! The Sirian overtake was planned at the first meeting of the Elders of Sion! It�s all according to Adam Weisshaupt�s interpretions of the Talmud, and financed by the Rich Jew..."

As I already said above: When dogma enters the brain, all intelectual activity ceases.

Ewige Blumenkraft! FoxLeonard