OK, Maybe this should go into the conspiracy forum for UFO but what if the acient greek sign that we use on our dollar bill of a Pyramid with an eye in it isnt an eye but a UFO. it kind of looks like a saucer shape.

I heard that is a god... not sure what its called, but i know it is.

is it supposed to be ra (sp) the sun god?

Actually that's the eye of Lucifer, considering it's pointing upwards, people say it's the eye of God, but it isn't because the eye of God is looking done toward his subjects, us.

Damn it I said its a UFO. Now go eat your wafers.

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is it supposed to be ra (sp) the sun god?

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actually it is the sun god. that is what the religion of the NWO is going to be. to worship the sun. just like the actient egyptians, and pagans.

# negative_zero

It's big brother. He's watching you.

I always thought it was George Washington's eye...

c'mon, it's as simple as searching for it...
http://www.greatseal.com/symbols/fdr1935.html

basically, henry wallace was bored as shit, saw the eye thing and said,"HEY! lookey here, FDR, it's neato!"

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LoL "Neato"
hahahahahahahahahhehehehehehehhohohohhhehehoe.

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Originally posted by negative_zero:
actually it is the sun god. that is what the religion of the NWO is going to be. to worship the sun. just like the actient egyptians, and pagans.

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Worshipping a finite object that can be fully explained is pretty damn stupid.

http://www.guigue.org/guitex52.htm

Oh fuck. I better burn on my Pagan money. Give me your money too I promise to burn it for you.

Send it to T O'Sharp
PO Box 2712
Byron CA h-4 94563-2712

Of course it was Benjamin Franklin's idea. He ran away from his home in Boston to go to Philadelphia in 1723 and became a mason.

When he died in 1790 his estate was worth over 250,000 and he started trust funds of 1,000 pounds each to his hometown of Boston and his adopted city of Philadelphia. Franklin instructed that loans were to be made to married CRAFTSMEN under the age of 25. He required that they must have finished their apprenticeships and have recommendations from respected citizens vouching for their moral character.

The loans were made at 5 percent and "be continually augmented by the interest" and would grow over the future. Franklin calculated that each fund would be worth 131,000 pounds after one hundred years, at which time, he instructed that 100,000 pounds of the fund be invested in public works projects, such as roads, bridges and in Philadelphia, making the Schuykill river navigatable.

The remaining 31,000 would be loaned at interest.

In 1990, the two funds, divided between the states of Massachusetts and Pennsylvania, were worth 6.5 million. Now used as grants to help younger peoples learn a trade or craft.

yeah,I heard it was the "all seeing eye of Lucifer"

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Originally posted by syphon detonator:
is it supposed to be ra (sp) the sun god?

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Originally posted by XeNobiTe:
It's big brother. He's watching you.

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dude,

you're kind of right actually. It's the sign ofthe illuminati (sp?). Ie symbolizes that up at the top, the very powerful people are watching over/controlling the people below them in the pyramid. The lower you o on the pyramid, the lower your class, and the higher the popullation. Basically, it's a bunch of crazy shit having to do with the government and free masons controlling us, and it's no good. But what are you gonna do? nothing, because the free masons control you, and there is nothing you can do about it.

~meaty

I wasn't going to post here, because it's way to dumb (started by tr0g? *shock*) but this meaty guy has helped me over that barrier.

The freemasons are not all powerful, in fact they aren't even really that potent at all. A lot of the stuff that you're throwing around roots itself to the Illuminatus Trilogy, which happens to be rooted in Discordia. The Discordian fifth "commandment" on the Pentabarf is never believe anything you read. Looks like operation mindfuck gave you a sucker punch pal.

The symbol predates Christianity, so enough with the "Eye of Lucifer" BS. It has to do with the Third Eye, as well as a host of other things. I did a lot of intense research on this symbol after it came to me during a lucid dream. It's a spiritual symbol that transcends any specific religion, and is at least as ancient as the empire of Egypt. I'd talk more about the reasons why a form of it is tattooed on my chest, but no one here strikes me as the spiritual type in the first place.

Does your tattoed 'third eye' keep a lookout for friendly auras?

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Originally posted by tr0g:
OK, Maybe this should go into the conspiracy forum for UFO but what if the acient greek sign that we use on our dollar bill of a Pyramid with an eye in it isnt an eye but a UFO. it kind of looks like a saucer shape.

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I may not have the right to say this, lol! I mean being Australian and all and it's the American dollar... Your currency is confusing... Pyramids are traditionally Egytian But the writing is latin,"E Pluribus Unum" means "Out of many, one" "Annuit Coeptis" means "the eye of providence", "Novus Ordo Seclorum." means "new order of the worlds." basically the eye represents the creator or it also depends on how you look at it the eyes are also the windows to the soul. the only main reason Ra or Re is even thought of is because of the pyramid, but pyramid also comes from latin; pyramis. another significant thing is the date on the note MDCCLXXVI (1776), but that's more related to american history. so when it comes down to it . It's an American dollar but it's written in latin and has egyptian pyramids and and eye that could be linked to just about anything. There is too many possibilities or angles to this depending on your perspective on things but I like the UFO idea.

Like the one itself there are many places to begin.

Lets start with the seal itself:

Apporved to be the seal on June 20, 1782 (199 years prior to my birthday to the day). The pyramid, although Egyptain in facade and design, has the flat top of the Mayan and Aztec sacrificial ziggaurauts.

now to expand upon the eye:

It is the eye that oversees. It sees all and it knows all. It could be Ra, Horus, Lucifer, Quezaquatal (in connection with the mayan idea), as well as any other godly diety.

The ground below the pyramid:

It almost looks as if the scene takes place underwater, atlantis anyone

My opinion about the ufo idea:

egypt
S. America
Roswell (it was only a decade after the seal was placed on the dollar)

all three of these topics have been connected with UFO and alien influence, so we may actually be on to something here.

update:

look on the back of any nickel and see the eye in teh triangle above the main entrance, Jeferson must of thought of himself as an overseer.

beware, an eye is upon you

Pyramids are not strictly egyptian, theyre used in all cultures, just because america doesnt have its own long standing culture doesnt mean anything.

I always thought it was a masonic symbol (my father was one, I asked him years ago and he said it was.)
Apparently when NATO was signed, the executive chillout room was wallpapered with a repeating eye in the pyramid symbol.
And as for Masons not being powerful, how many American presidents have been masons? In my country they have their own private hospital, and millions of pounds worth of property.

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I can't remember exactly which ones andhow many, but quite a few were.

Hehe, good ol' George Washington was one. So was Benjamin Franklin.

Someone brought up the Illuminatus Trilogy in relation to the eye on top of the pyramid. I believe it stands for we up top watch those below. As far as the conspiracy thing. This is fact: less than one percent of the popuplation controls 99 percent of the wealth. Wouldnt you want to be buddies with your cronnies with that much money and decide what goes so they can stay on top? Of course, that one percent of the population that controls the vast majority of the wealth is a multinational group. So that goes allong with the illuminati (masons) but it might not necessarily be a cult or little sect that does it. WHo knows, but the fact remains that its a small percent of people that decide what goes on in this world. The rest are all pawns.

-later

This came to my mind after i finished postin it. Here is an observation. Have you ever watched big brother or survivor? Notice how its starts out as a big group, but people band together in little groups to conspire against the others to try and win. but in the end its only one that wins. Its human nature to be like that.

power man 5000's cd Tonight the Stars Revolt opens up with a quotation from JP Saticoy, An Eye is Upon You and goes as follows.

Spinning complacently in the darkness, covered and blinded by a blanket of little lives, false security has lulled the madness of this world into a quiet slumber. Wake Up. An eye is upon you, yes an eye is upon you, staring straight down and keenly through, seeing all that you are and everything that you can never be, yes ane eye is upon you, an eye ready to blink. So face foreward with arms streached and mind wide open, your future has arrived, are you ready to go?

the lyrics of the cd reflect the opening scrpit with lyrics and song titles such as

worlds collide, They know who you are, System 11:11, who is the devil and who is the light?, The world of the dead is a lonely place of the living, yesterday begins again tommorow, its the end of all time, and others of more obscure nature that all fit into a rather psychodellic and mystical pattern.

Saticoy was a visonary that understood the nature of what was to come in the early 20th century, now almost 100 years later his visons are coming true as the eye in teh sky takes the form of sattelites able to track our every move, govt agents who know who you are, and ever evolving questions on to who we are in teh world today, what we can accomplish and if it really matters.

Truth be said. What we know are lies and half truths, spun in a silky web to entangle a world to be fed apon by a select few. Liberation from the monetary system is the only means of escape. Money is the only controlling factor in this world beacuse people have bought into the idea that money is power. Therfore, he who runs it weilds the power.

its the eye of Osiris, not Ra. I thought that was common knowledge.

The Pyramid is an obvious metaphor for the structure of society, but simultaneously communicates a quest after a goal, an obvious upward journey. America was supposed to be that trek- there are 13 layers on the pyramid, and they culminate in the all-seeing eye.

Its just stupid fucked up pirated old school pagan mythology, but I dont see why its there? Do people who control the world sit there and laugh at the idea of their secret seal being the thing we fight over or something?

From what I understand about the dollar bill logo is thus-
I forget what the words "Annuit Caeptis" the top of the seal means, but at the bottom of the seal it says "Novus Ordo Seclorum", which means "New World Order". It's latin. "New Order World" or something like that, same thing though!
The pyramid represents either one of two things- the Temple of Jerusalem, or one of the Egyptian pyramids.
Either it symbolizes that when the Temple of Jerusalem is completed the Jews will declare their mastery (enslavement) of the entire world's mongrelized populations (the point of race-mixing). Read the Bible (unless you are superstitious and believe in elfs and lollipop fairies and crap), and you'll see that when the Temple of Jerusalem is rebuilt (it was smashed by the Romans when the jews rioted one too many times for their liking), thats supposed to mean the jews have won their war against God (nature). We shall see!

The second possibility, is that the pyramid actually represents one of the Egyptian pyramids. When these pyramids were built (under the guidance of White rulers, using the slave labor of the ANCIENT BRITAINS- there are NO EGYPTIAN RECORDS OF ANY HEBREW SLAVES btw, and they kept records of their slaves because they were valuable commodities!) they had capstones sheathed in gold, or some other kind of precious material.
When the sun shone on the capstone it would be a pretty spectacular site, and you see that the capstone on the dollar bill shines BUT it's not actually on the pyramid.
It's sort of suspended above it. Besides ornamentation purposes, the capstones might have been used as signalling devices between cities, but I really don't know.
Sometime late in Egypt's history the precious material on the capstones were either sold or plundered and so today you see the tips of the pyramids minus the precious material, it's just a stone point.
For the tourism industry Egpyt needs their pyramids, and so they do restoration work (as well as excavation work which they keep to themselves and make offlimits to non-Egyptian archaeologists. They can't have people, especially Whites, finding out that the present day inhabitants are a mixture of invaders, thieves and black slaves, and that the real Egyptians, the ones who made the pyramids and every other aspect of civilization in Egypt, were White.
REAL White, not swarthy White, but mostly ruddy, fair skinned, red haired green eyed Celtic White.
The hieroglyphics in Egypt only make sense grammatically if they are read in the ancient Belgic lanuage, not arabic or whatever they are speaking in the region about Egypt.
Now I can't remember if Belgic is in relation to Belgium or Wales, but I think it's Welsh, spoken long ago by the settlers of Western Britain in the land of Wales, which is located along the Cambrian Mountains.); anyway, the Egyptians
are doing all this restoration work, have been for a long time on a large scale, as well as continual excavation. BUT, they are not putting new precious material on the capstones- even though they had announced they would do so during New Years Day, the first day of 2000.
They have the materials, but they are not putting on the furbished capstones! It would have been a great tourist attraction for the New Millenium wouldn't you say?
Possibly the reason is that the Illuminati have not YET put the clincher on World Domination. They still have dissent, there is in fact a surge in the number of people and groups who are fighting Novus Ordo Seclorum, although they are not powerful or monied. The problem (for the Illuminati) is that the races are not mixed up enough, there is no "Tan Everyman", no majority mongrel peoples (mixed-raced, miscegenated) yet for them to rule over. Not YET, so they have to put off putting up the symbolic capstone on the pyramid or pyramids in Egypt.
If enough people of all races start thinking like me, especially the White race's labor class, then the Illuminati and it's genotype (the mattoid, "genius criminal") can be completely destroyed, with a combination of a New World Crime Court (for the Illuminati to be subjected to, and not their obstacles as the World Tribunal is used now) and it's subsequent executions of the plutocratic mattoid criminal class, and also by a sustained eugenics program which will be able to isolate and avoid the birth of any more genius criminals. Within the realm of possibility of course, there will probably be exceptions but these will be few and a system can be put in place to terminate them in time.
Also the eye itself is of course the "All Seeing Eye"...of Satan. Illuminated One = Satan, Illuminated OneS = "Satan worshippers". The reason the Illuminati worship Satan, and it's not a literal worship like the Christians or Muslims worship a deity, is because the Bible has this recurring ethic that Satan is beaten but time and again is regenerated to plague mankind once again. This recurring theme that Satan is as immortal as a holy God, but who gets to bang demon chicks and eat all the fried chicken he likes without committing a sin of lust or gluttony, is attractive to people who are clever but totally lacking in normal human moral codes.
This is a religion of psychopaths with high I.Q.s, the Illuminati, and of course all it really is a group of people who all have the same problem (i.e. they live in a world where the majority have normal unperverted morality), and the same desire- to subjugate normal people whom they consider less than human, as they consider deceit and perversion to be humanity. Because they are psychopaths! Monied, power crazed, sociopaths. Like Mad King George II (Bush).

The pyramid, which lays in a wilderness (because Illuminated ones believe normal moral people are meant to roam a wasteland that befits their lack of cleverness) also represents the current New World Odor class scheme- the majority as the lowest and most numerous tier of stones, with classes following up the pyramid in decreasing numbers but with increasing standards of living until finally at the top you have the Illuminati themselves, the richest, sickest, most blood drenched creatures on Earth.
Will we let them have their way? They seem to be having a lot of trouble even without a powerful, unified opposition!
But they can still do so much worse than what they have already done, if allowed.

Also if you look at the back of the dollar bill again there is the second symbol with the eagle holding the bunch of arrows (the "fasces") and a garland. This symbolizes "we Illuminati be bad mofuggas. You best recognize, we knock yo EYE out, POW!", if a people or person does not give in to their demands and plans. Check out the stars above the eagle- can you see the jewish star of david?
The Star of David has six angles, six internal sides and six outer triangles.
http://www.FAEM.com


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novou Ordo Seclourum=New order of the ages or New Age Order

the eye above the pyramid, there really shouldn't be any specific deiety that this represents for as it symbolizes America it symbolizes all forms of religion

check out www.Greatseal.com and www.cuttingedge.org (click the picture on the right to see a reindition of the seal through masonic symbols)
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from the patriotic pagan

Thank you likuidsmoke!
Here is what Eric Thomson of http://www.FAEM.com fame has to say about the seal too (all his writings are extremely valuable in my opinion), at http://www.FAEM.com/eric/2000/et020.htm :


"This leads us to the founding of the United States of America, because most of the signers of The Declaration of Independence and writers of the Constitution, including my ancestors, were so-called Freemasons! As I recall, Samuel Adams may have been one of the few "Gentiles" or "profane" (in Freemasonic parlance) to have signed The Declaration of Independence, for I believe that he criticized The Great Seal of the United States as a "tawdry, Freemasonic emblem". Observe the back of the one dollar bill. There you will see the Evil Eye or All-seeing Eye above the pyramid. On the base of the pyramid, in Roman numerals, is 1776 and beneath that, "NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM" (New World Order) [Latin: 'a new order of the ages' from Virgil's Eclogues, 4,5 - Ed.]. Above the Evil Eye is the inscription: "ANNUIT COEPTIS", which I am told means, "HE APPROVES OUR WORK" [Latin: 'He has favored our undertakings' from Virgil's Aeneid, IX, 625 - Ed.], although we are not told who HE is. A hint of HIS identity may be found in Freemasonry's 'head honcho', Pike, who wrote that the "brethren of the 31st and 32nd degrees should maintain the Luciferian purity of Freemasonic doctrine." Royal Arch or 4th degree Freemasons are told "the true name of God: JABULON". That is a tripartite deity consisting of JA or YA weh, BU or BAal and ON or Osiris; the first being the jew tribal god, the second being the fertility god of Semites and the third being the Egyptian god of the underworld. Nice company! Hiram Abiff was supposed to be a product of these three regions and Freemasons have done a lot of dialectical chiselling to make his 'biography' fit the preordained conclusion. This is called "jewish science".


Freemasons have labored to import Egyptian obelisks (phallic worship symbols) to Paris, London, New York, and no doubt enjoy seeing the Obelisk standing erect in St. Peter's Square, in front of the Vatican, although that was originally brought from Egypt, along with several others, by the Romans. Why a pope would resurrect a great, pagan stone penis and place it as an upright insult in front of Christian Catholics' 'Mecca' is indeed a mystery! Freemasons were responsible for the erection of the so called Washington Monument in the 19th century and we "profane" Americans are justified in asking what Egyptian penis-worship has to do with the values and objectives of 'our' country. In regard to symbols, 33rd degree Freemason and Satanist Al Crowley blew the whistle on the so-called Statue of Liberty: This goddess' statue was originally intended to stand at the entrance to the Suez Canal, but was rejected by Suez authorities. Her original name was "Commerce"! How fitting it is that a communist jewess (Emma Lazarus - Ed.) would have written its dedication, inviting all "The wretched refuse of your teeming shore." to come and grab "the golden door". But why should all this cabalistic, Egyptian, Freemasonic mumbo-jumbo concern sane, thinking White people in America?


From the White perspective, there has been no entity more malign and genocidal in the 19th and 20th centuries than the United States of America. The three great holocausts of the Civil War and World Wars I and II could not have occurred without U.S. gold, guns, Goyim, and government. No White person can be proud of this history."

returning to the issue at hand:

The eye in the triangle can be seen on the back of the nikel. it is the window above the entrance and below the dome of the building known as Montecello

Facinating place actually

The eye in pyarmid can mean anything from the eye of (insert diety here) to a multitude of secret socieites (insert list here)

It is an age old symbol that defies time and space, just like America. The Seal represents America (in all its forms) as well as its corruption and its prosperity. Be not afraid of such a simple logo, it is there.

The overseen eye oversees all
in Dutch: overseer is Haptonstall

the exact translation for "annuit coeptis" above the pyrimid is god smiles upon our beginings meaning that this state was made through providence reginng over all relgions and is to represnt the ever present eye of soceity god and the government

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Originally posted by TheMeatPirate:
dude,

you're kind of right actually. It's the sign ofthe illuminati (sp?). Ie symbolizes that up at the top, the very powerful people are watching over/controlling the people below them in the pyramid. The lower you o on the pyramid, the lower your class, and the higher the popullation. Basically, it's a bunch of crazy shit having to do with the government and free masons controlling us, and it's no good. But what are you gonna do? nothing, because the free masons control you, and there is nothing you can do about it.

~meaty

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I always thought the same...

The Illuminati cannot stop their own destruction, let alone control someone like me. Maybe for you it's different, maybe your unable to develop a mental acuity above that of chattel, but thats not my deal :-)

Oh yes. The Illuminati can only control that which they understand and which CAN be controlled, such as VICE. If you want to have fun and have to be on the "winning team", then the Illuminati owns you. But the Illuminati has no future anymore, they are all heading to ye old gas chamber with the rest of the freaks.

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The Illuminati cannot stop their own destruction, let alone control someone like me.

Oh yes. The Illuminati can only control that which they understand and which CAN be controlled, such as VICE. If you want to have fun and have to be on the "winning team", then the Illuminati owns you. But the Illuminati has no future anymore, they are all heading to ye old gas chamber with the rest of the freaks.

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Funny thing is that The Illuminati controls you in general and your thoughts in particular. If you haven�t noticed yourself, you�re totally obsessed with The Illuminati, even if it seems that you mean to write "The Illuminati", as little or nothing of what you say has to do with the actual society of that name. IF you actually mean The Ancient Illuminated Seers of Bavaria, you must mean that that society still exists, and as I�ve stated elsewhere: it�s very doubful if we do...
Ewige Blumenkraft! FoxLeonard

Unrelated somewhat, off subject with the eye, but the "In God We Trust" with the huge ONE below it and then the pyramid next to it, and lets say for reasonable purposes the pyramid has to do with Egypt. Who once had a very polytheistic society .. just a little funny

Rome comes to mind, espicially since they asssimilated Egypt into the mix near its end. Yes teh US is the new roman empire. We have teh army, we have the courts, we have the great senate, we have the great congress, we have a president and he has a council.

===Wahsington D.C. was not built in a day===

haha you think thats crazy- keep in mind the illuminati sign or mascot( ?) is the horned owl. Look on the front of the dollar bill, in the top left hand corner where the "1" seems to be in some sort of sheild. look to the left of it, sitting right there. a tiny, tiny, horned owl.
look hard, its there
-whitespyder

So are you guys saying that the Illuminati are going to try a world takeover or are you just trying to decide wether or not they exist. Cause I read this interesting things saying that the "World Govt" was planning to bounce a giant holograph off of the ionosphere to make it appear as though the world was being invaded by aliens, then when people begged for help the "World Govt" would come to the rescue and say oh we can only help if you allow us to work as one to defeat the aliens or whatever, then of course people would agree and that would establish the "New World Order" Does this seem to follow a previously stated pattern of problem-reaction-solution??

Just curious as to what you all think.

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haha you think thats crazy- keep in mind the illuminati sign or mascot( ?) is the horned owl.
-whitespyder

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Sign or mascot? One doesn�t exclude the other...

Under the owl there�s also, usually, a text saying:

WAS HELFFEN FAKELN LICHT ODER BRILN, SO DIE LEVT NICH SEHEN WOLLEN.

As strangely spelled 18th century German probably isn�t your speciality, it roughly says:

What�s the use of torches lights or glasses when the living refuses to see.

Strangely suitable for this subject...

As Adam used to say:

Ewige Blumenkraft to ye all!

FoxLeonard

On The 1-Dollar Bill u can see the egyptian pyramide with 13 steps. there is everywhere the number 13 as u all noticed.
There are said to be 13 dimensions in the universe. in every dimension there is existance. However, the eye stands for the "god", or "eye", or better: the last dimension. number 14. the dimension which overlooks the 13. the ultimate dimension. over all and everything.

greetzNbeatz
everybody seriously needs to buy GOLD!