as I sit here in my office in front of a laptop and complaining to myself and my computer about my overweight arogant boss.And I wonder if he knows what he is talking about,I came to the realization that he dosent!!Like so many managers and others in positions of power over those that have the knowledge which the new tyrany so desires.They have put all of their efforts into who can develop the biggest most secure fastest network.Then they linked everything into it and linked them all together.Putting the fate of the world its economics history and everything of importance to them as ridiculas as it seems to us in reality.They trusted what they consider to be their lives to the almighty computer.And about this time someone sat back and said something dumb like"so how do you turn it on".And in their realization that they lacked the knowledge to control the beast they had built they were forced to turn to the beast masters.those of the next generation those of this generation to tame the beast they created but can not control.And in this act they scared themselves when the realization set in that in order to save their preacous little excistance they have to hand it off to us.The next revolution wont happen on some battlefield or be fought with some ridicolus weapon because it will happen here the bomb has come.instead of megatons it weilds bits and bytes.with the stroke of a key you are around the world.the next commodity will be information.And we have the power to fight back and take control to right their wrongs and make it a better place,or to damn it all to hell faster then they ever could.it has been said that there was a fear of the world being destroyed so the politicians did it first.I say the time is now and the future is ours.Let us unleash the beast and play fetch or chess with it in the ashes of their damnation

rage, i think your one of the coolest people thats come around here in a fucking LONG while....

slides hand slowly off his pistol to rest them on his belt buckle and smiles
"thanks man that means alot it truly does snif"
:-)

I like making people's lives a living hell.

Computers.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/30/index.html

Demand Your Freedom ......

The Nihilist Underground Society believes in countries as a subset of the world people called humanity, and believes in the ideals that drove the formation of that country: individual rights, individual determination, and the ability to be freed from the curdling social treacle of fear.

Here are some brief statements of our feelings about our world, human rights, and the inevitable necessity of individual leadership:


Nihilism
Most of our problems as a species come from an inability to agree on our conclusions about events rather than a misinterpretation of the basic events of life. For this reason we are always fighting over symbolism and definitions, the very things that were supposed to help us understand each other better.

For this reason, we. proposes that all people be shown the philosophical and mystical paths to nihilism, or the state of seeing everything without any additional human arbitrary valuations placed upon them. The only value to any event is its immanent value within the context of the situation.

With this method of viewing our world we could cast aside much of the denial that plagues our understanding of basic events, and could see how our world is an intricate process of perpetuation and anarchistic freedom rather than a defined, conclusive, and duty-oriented mathematic as society insists it must be.


Underground

As social animals we must have a group, but that group does not necessarily need to be the definitional context of our individual existences. Modern society, in its fear of the dissident, enforces an absolute hierarchy of allegiance by rewarding certain thought patterns and not others with economic sustenance in varying degrees.

The process of conception is thus interrupted by the choice filters of the social agents of control, whether government, religion, or simple socialization. i. ask you to remember that any herd is composed of animals, and each animal in the herd is responsible to itself for its own actions, no matter what grand causes others project upon it.


Self

"Love thyself" -- what if you just don't? Our actions comprise our histories, and our histories comprise our self-knowledge image. If you feel intense personal weakness, or self-hatred, you may be reacting to the decisions you've made in the past. In this world where decisions are not made but engineered from reactions and demands of those who can not demand on an individual scale, vast generalizations pass for judgement and in the end consequences are justified in the chaotic result of human incompetence.

Learn to love yourself by loving what you do. If you find your actions represent you as one who does not understand others and does not care, and if you find that do not have or cannot achieve your objectives, identify that as the problem and work toward that solution.

Most of all, ignore any image of the perfect human you might see. Since the beginnings of history society has attempted to convince humans of "original sin," or inherent unfit-ness of the average person. This is a fallacy, but only the individual can decide whether he or she is happy with his/her self. Right now, most are too busy with "self-image" to bother to understand "self," but there is a future for those who examine the actions of the complex animals who bear the weight of these brains.


Alienation

Society has its negative responses to alienation, but really it should recognize alienated people as a free source of information. Where alienation occurs feedback loops exist between the individual resistance to the system and the system's response; overall these are very costly for the system, although the individuals running the system might get off scot-free.

A good example of this are the varying persecutions with which the Americans expended energy and money they otherwise needed in chasing down relatively harmless people chosen as scapegoats for the cause. Any time there is smoke, there must be a war; if there's a war, someone made money churning out weapons or medical care or news or insurance against fear in another form.


Symbols

In biblical history the tower of Babel fell because its architects could not communicate in a common tongue. We feel that could never happen now because we have a vast lexicon of symbols to express the combinations of our reality, but what we don't understand is that we use these symbols as polemic identifiers rather than as a mode of communication. When we insist on the importance and unifying political concept of a symbol, we deny what is behind it: the "real" reality.

Art, networks, sex, drugs and other forms of "virtual" reality do not work through the linear equations behind symbolic language. From the very rudiments of this our communicative facility humans have wrought metaphor and virus, complex forms of the representation so easily coopted by the criminal elements ruling among us.


Politics

By now the generations of first-world children are discovering that politics as they understand it does not help them; figurines exchange places in a sanguinary game of checkers and then a new order proclaims its uniqueness while enforcing the same crimes as the old. However, these children - and at this period in history, all humans are children - do not realize that politics is a virus that extends to every level of human interaction.

Any group interest represented by a symbol, whether emotional or "logical", allows an abstract vector - with direction and quantitative intent - to stand for the needs of many humans, and consequently eliminates the complexity of their satisfaction. In this way we bypass the complexity of our needs and the truth of what must be done by gratifying our simple appreciation of some definitive action.

Most politics, in other words, is "sending a message" of an action rather than initiating or maintaining a communication between interested parties; thus, the conflict continues while we bypass the need, creating an entire support structure for the friction rather than working toward a solution.

i have planned and meditated damnation-DAMMED IN BLACK!! hah , i have the plans, and the resources, the time is at hand!!!!

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totally nihilistic

By now the generations of first-world children are discovering that politics as they understand it does not help them; figurines exchange places in a sanguinary game of checkers and then a new order proclaims its uniqueness while enforcing the same crimes as the old. However, these children - and at this period in history, all humans are children - do not realize that politics is a virus that extends to every level of human interaction.

I am not sure about the validity of saying people realize "politics as we know it does not help us"and how we are just ralizing it.Because politics as I know it as most know it doesnt help anyone but politicians.
I do agree the new self proclaimed unique order always ends up following the same path of coruption and lies.But to say all adults of this age are children is rather broad.Because in reality someone elected the criminals into their appointed positions,those that didnt then fall into the catagorie of whinig little priks who have baked themselves in a corner and are satisfied to bitch and go on exsisting they way they do in fear of the tyrany they created.those who do nothing and those who choose to risk it in one form of another to stand as true patriots and do what they can to free this country from those that would imprison it.willing to give all they are,all they have up to and including their lives for the true image this country was meant to exist in.can you call these people children either one of them?Or would the true children be those who have not matured past the point of such selfish control?For even amongst the patriots you will find tracesof your self proclaimed unique heroes poised and ready to enlist their own tyrany should the opurtunity arise.Such as enlisting a drug lab to fund a movement,or holding knowledge from another.Are these actions themselves also not expressions of ones desire to merely be the one in control of the controllers.Rather then the actions of one strong enough to take the plunge into a TRULY free society where All would be eqaul?
the first step of any major change in society is a change of ones self.take that step.
"some men hear a voice deep from within.and some live by this voice they are crazy perhaps foolish.But they live free and in doing this become legends,in becoming legends they become imortal"

rage go straight to politics and read the last pages of capitalism the only system thread , that will answer you questions about the free and order etc,

no my methods is to release the controll they have on us, not to controll them, limit their influence is to cripple their hold so the truth can have its abiding, i dont care how it is atcheived as long as the result is strength and awareness,

you may not understand, but i am forced to live in this world and to adapt to what is put in front of me, i dont think i am worse than the scum i feel aggression against, i know that my results how ever morbid or what ever, will be far out weigh the intent.

look at the date 2001 and look at the results for doing nothing.

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I cant speak for you but I know the things I have been forced to endure.The libirties I have watched being striped away.And I do not say your methods are wrong for you.I myself once thought all things such as those we discuss were best handeld with a cripleing blow of stratigicaly placed violence this I called the way of the warior.But I soon learned the way of the warior is the way of the pipe the way of peace the way of the pen.Say it however you wish they are able to accomplish their wrongs through long term guerilla like tactics.by slowly programing the genrations behind us limiting the knowledge and disguising the truth.So maybe or at least I think the best way to deal with it is to share the truth give the knowledge of what we know to be the true reality to all.let so many people have it they could never hide it unless they anihilated the human race.with no subjects left who would the tyrants rule?And without the support of the masses those few patriots who stood strong would only be criminals in the eyese of their fellow citizens and in this would not achieve their true goal.But educate the masses to open their eyes to the truth???Now that is the begings of a true revolution.Revolutions are not won by the body count,but by the views of those left.With this being the information age and we being of this age.Why even resort to unesacary violence?
REMEMBER THIS
there is not a prison strong enough or court room large enough to enforce a law the people will not have

all wariors hope for a good death..some go out and seek their own..

Everything is serious.

OH!!!!! I am sorry Z,is my seriousness offending you man?:-)

well let me ask this then

"why is Santa so jolly?"
A
"Because he knows where all the naughty girls live"

see...I have no humor,I will start trying to add a joke to my posts to entertain as well as share my morbid thoughts ;-)

im such a dick

Well, not really.

Just kinda infantile.

It's ok, though.

hey i like to rant here
at least noone can see my binkie

welll said rage,(the other shit) i do not deny the power of the sheild(info)

i am active in this sense,

but i know that a sheild must have a SWORD,

and i am that sword, i know that people need a shake up to realise the truth, you cant wave info infront of poeople unless it is a shock to them,

i cannot discuss this here,

but i know that there are certain factions as you know by reading the info i sent you that are there to take out people like me, greed will take you out if you thnk info alone will do it rage, i have had this realization by years of experimenttaion and study of human behaviour,

i have more ways of burning the inside(by info) then the out side, but dont deny the violence that i am training to be prepared for,

i know that existance a dignity and integral part for me from my evolutionary roots, is to shake the system up and spit out the rotten!!

i will not be 80 years old and carry my objectives in just info that can easily be discarded,

i am here, i am alive and the fury of battle lust is imbeded im my blood,

i will destroy them phisically and mentally and i will make them realise that i can do both with my mind and body and therefore i am the most dangerous terroist of all.

here is where it begins.

nihilistic
I never received any info, this is like the fourth or fith time..Are you sending it to the right adresses?
As for what you say about the sheild is usless without the sword.This may be true but as any true wariorr knows the most powerful weapon is the mind.The most effective sword is one that is still in its scabbard.In the martial arts the Tiger represents the brute strength and agresive force of the warior.But the dragon represents the wisdom and knowledge the dragon always defeats the tiger.because the mind is the first line of battle violence as you describe in your posts should be a selfdefense last resort only..The only way to fight a tyrany as I discuss is on their battlefeild with their tactics.Ans currently the supress and enslave through manipulation of the media, survailance and the computer.this is the battle feild one should prepare themselves to defend against and do battle on.All other efforts are but small mindless acts of ego.And ego has no place in the warior path.As for these experiences you claim?I am somewhat insulted,I myself have been to war real war!!!Have you ever tried to hold someones insides in with your hands?Have you ever truly had to run and fight for the lives of those that trust you as well as your own so you could protect something you believe in??I am unsure of the claims you make.Because in my opinion someone truly interested in freeing themselves and those around them from this tyrany..Wouldnt be attempting to create a new group of slaves through addiction.Or be choosing who to give this info to.Info is the weapon of the next battle it is our only true hope.And if this was your true goal it would be shared wit hall that would have it regardless of any petty personal differences
please do not waste our time with any threats you may have welling up inside your head as your ears may be turning red.resist the heat you may be feeling welling up inside
a result of pointless anger you seem to feel toward those who disagree with you.I neither fear you nor seek to make a enemy.I am expressing my opinion based on my observations here and in other posts.I am urgeing you as I urge all I comunicate with
to take the stand become a true warior and resist the tyrany we all suffer under

"all wariors hope for a good death-some the foolish go in search of theirs"

dont seek your death,just be prepared to conduct a honorable fight when it comes knocking and should itbe victorious smile back at it
sorry if i babled to much all
just had to get that off my chest

posted by syphilistic:
As social animals we must have a group, but that group does not necessarily need to be the definitional context of our individual existences. Modern society, in its fear of the dissident, enforces an absolute hierarchy of allegiance by rewarding certain thought patterns and not others with economic sustenance in varying degrees.

The process of conception is thus interrupted by the choice filters of the social agents of control, whether government, religion, or simple socialization. i. ask you to remember that any herd is composed of animals, and each animal in the herd is responsible to itself for its own actions, no matter what grand causes others project upon it.


YOU FUCKING BITCH NIHILISTIC, YOU HAVE ENOUGH NERVE TO PLAGIARIZE PEOPLE WITHOUT GIVING PROPER CREDIT? WHO'S THE THIEVING CUNT NOW, AHH? THIS SHIT YOU STOLE FROM IS RIGHT HERE:

Conflict, translated by Kurt H. Wolff. The web of groupaffiliations, translated by Reinhard Bendix. With a foreword by Everett C. Hughes.
Written by Simmel, George, 1858-1918.


You're lower than any fucking crack whore I've seen through emt tour. I can stand social dregs, but thieves - NO, FUCKING NO.

hey sck bch
where is this from??is it a book?
it sounds tlike something I might be interested in reading

Yes, it's a book, by George Simmel, called "conflict." He presents some wonderful social conflict and defiance ideas. Nihilistic ripped ripped this book off, since Simmel is quite famous in his sociological research studies, pretty much every political history book you come across will cite him as a resource.


"Conflict," written by Simmel, George, 1858-1918. Translated by Kurt H. Wolff.

Thanks I will have to check it out
I read alot,but lately I have realy been reading alot of stuff like this.Because I am working on a book its a conspiracy story..Somehow I have to figure out how,but the gov gives china little china as soverign ground almost like the way the native reservations are aet up..
anyway I am babling again
so later
thanx again for the reading refrence
and nihilistic
dont copy stuff least not without saying thanx to whoever you got it from
Rage

still drawing at straws disabled bch,

i never said i wrote that

LIKE I NEVER SAID I WROTE THE INFO!!!

you dumb cunt,

fuck your dumb,

so wimp, just shut the fuck up,

we all know your a talentless stupid piss ant, that has been crapping on about some phony shit, to draw at straws becasue your a piss ant, with nothing real to contribute,

i dont think any one at totse wants to hear you or your disability so waste some one elses time,

you pathetic lamb. sad cunt

and rage, i could give you more details about that info,and nihilism quote(yes bch did get it wrong) but frankly, after your post in my thread, i really couldent give a toss weither you belive it or not,

so both of you, go and lick mother mary's arse in eturnaty,

fucking fairy lambs. ill quote who i want and give them credit when i want so suck me off untill my head caves in capish,

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totally nihilistic

here cunts here is my quote


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profanatory irreverence

what you think-is weak
what know-is useless
what your are-is both!!!

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Nihilism, you are so silly. Like a monkey!

Lookit tha cute monkey.

Awww, he's so cute.

The point is that you never said you didn't write it.

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Originally posted by nihilistic:
still drawing at straws disabled bch,

i never said i wrote that

LIKE I NEVER SAID I WROTE THE INFO!!!

you dumb cunt,

fuck your dumb,

so wimp, just shut the fuck up,

we all know your a talentless stupid piss ant, that has been crapping on about some phony shit, to draw at straws becasue your a piss ant, with nothing real to contribute,

i dont think any one at totse wants to hear you or your disability so waste some one elses time,

you pathetic lamb. sad cunt

and rage, i could give you more details about that info,and nihilism quote(yes bch did get it wrong) but frankly, after your post in my thread, i really couldent give a toss weither you belive it or not,

so both of you, go and lick mother mary's arse in eturnaty,

fucking fairy lambs. ill quote who i want and give them credit when i want so suck me off untill my head caves in capish,

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anyway
lets settle this real simple like first allow me to get a head count
anyone who dosent wish to have my posts just speak up.
secondly nihil
I am goin to say this once fuking with people you know nothing about is a very bad career move.you should be more careful
third
cash paid to anyone who can help me find out this pricks adress
night all

He didn't steal it. He just "borrowed" it. You library card needs to be renewed, titty man.

Rage, I think I speak for 90% of the poster here when I say, "I don't give a shit."

zzzz3m, the point is you always junmp in with out holding onto you ass, like with the sites i am affiliated with, i was going to finish the whole essay abvout nihilism and then reference,

okay fine i didnt write that nihilism quote, their happy
just becasue you are all tryen to draw at straws to try and cut me down

see rage i dont blame you as sch bch for your needs and participation in society from your realities, and reactions to me

you are of the same as me- creation, whilst you arnt as much of an individual for me to respect yet?? from the machine etc,

there is still time for us to process this the most essential part of life.

mate please dont threaten me, i dont fear you or your world or any human, i will die first before weakness can controll me, i am prepared to live inegral and in dignity,

and i have never been able to accept power like the stuff you speak of, you would only make me get my hordes and we would turn on you is that what you want......,

do you really want to see me face to face,


.....look in my eyes and see


becasue if you feel you need to hit me,

than you can hit me,

but you will be hitting my body,

is it my mind rebellious and persistant that you want to hit,

you are doing that!!!! by not helping your self every day to be more creative and effective in your own life.

i am sorry, but if you want a part of me, then lets do it mate.

ill tell you where and when

and we will fight, but i have no mercy for those wanting to hurt me, i am like those people that you never are able to have a conversation with becasue you dont give them a chance to open up, like other races-natives, and ppl youn think less of etc. even gays!! like fabio

so you may be angry at my attacks on your character, that is only to help, not hinder, i cant be effective unless shock and dedication is showed,

you wont be able to hurt me rage,

i am prepared for the eturnal and mayhem,in strength that i train and organise,

i have the ballz to take on the matrix

and know alot of secrets how they attempt to rid people of me, i watch those that watch me.

and no government or law infoce ment could effect me, or no man could shoot me and expect to live and get away with it, or kill me completely, i exist in all reaches of the globe

i am in the random and chaotic chaosphere(cosmos)

strong willed focussed and unrealenting,,

as black metal and the earth!!!!!!

i will kill you

if you think the truth will not have it abiding, i am sorry, but i dont care for humans, that dont care for them selfs.

i leave it up to you.

nihil.

and zzz3m, mate dont address 90% of the board becasue your wrong, and moferators take not, please do not play an active role in discouraging ppl from totse, give every one a chance to prove them self first.

what would of happen if i went, all the info other etc now know would be lost, i am not as weak as you but others might think your rude so

fuck off and shut the fuck up, rage is welcome here.

yeah fucks, im am nihilistic, any problems with that??

mail me!!

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profanatory irreverence

what you think-is weak
what know-is useless
what your are-is both!!!

It seems this group started on a good topic and just like the rest of society, when one person is chastised for a small infraction, he or she loses control and is forced to sling mud rather than face the issues.
NOW STOP BEING CHILDREN AND HAVE AN ADULT CONVERSATION!!!!! and while your at it, remember that any viewpoint is valid, as long as it is propped up with facts or a sincere belief.

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just becasue you are all tryen to draw at straws to try and cut me down

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SODERMY! BWAHAHAWH@;kh!!

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and zzz3m, mate dont address 90% of the board becasue your wrong, and moferators take not, please do not play an active role in discouraging ppl from totse, give every one a chance to prove them self first.

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What the fuck does that mean?

quote:

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what would of happen if i went, all the info other etc now know would be lost, i am not as weak as you but others might think your rude so

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What the fuck does that mean?!

quote:

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fuck off and shut the fuck up, rage is welcome here.

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Like I said. No one gives a fuck, you stupid fuck.

Hey send a bro' some info. really interested in anarchist movement.

hoss,zzzzz3m i cant be fucked explaining fuck all to you, you bore the fuck out of me, and plus i think your a fairy,

to the dood above, hailz, its in the mail.

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totally nihilistc

ITS IN THE MAIL
ITS IN THE MAIL
ITS IN THE MAIL
Man he sounds like a broken record,I used to think he was just a pain in the ass witholding info.Like some power sick little ass,now I realize the only info he has is what he steals.

Nihilistic, it may be that your purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others! As in "DON'T BE LIKE THIS GUY!"

fashionably, that shits in "politics" section, actually, so am i, i have a post up, if u wanna check it out

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He who joyfully marches in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would suffice."-Albert Einstein

Rage, "The Matrix is everywhere, it is all around us. Even now in this very room. You can see it when you look out your window or when you turn on your television. You can feel it when you go to work. When you go to church. When you pay your taxes. It is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth!"

There is a pervasive evil everywhere you go. Not so much in the form of a computer program as it is real people. The people who really pull the strings and control the world, the "Shadow Government" if you will, is what I refer to as "The Matrix".

Nihilism knows what the real fucking Matrix is. Or at least he can quote a Peter C. book...

that is a good oppertunity to state that the thread that i have been working on is (entitled)EsCAPING THE MATRIX, as soon as i finish the capitalism thread in politics i will be starting the thread(here), it will be very long but will have info about the 'MATRIX' that some of you would be interedted in judging for your self.

lastly, zzzz3m, you are a lamb, wimp, dont know shit, and if you where right here right now, i would kill you. im not joking either.

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totally nihilistic

Oh? I'd prolly have already stabbed you in the neck by now. You're slow.

he says, 'look into my eyes, lamb'....
i says..'which one? your astigmatism is confusing me..'
he says 'i will kill you if you get closer'
i says 'there's a 'forward' button on that wheelchair....'
but his batteries were dead...

moral - handicapped people make handicapped faces.

ill beat fuck ou of both youn piss ant lambs, ill be in the usa soon, so where and when.

ooh, the wheelchair sister has spoken.

YAWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
humbly requesting new insults

request accepted,

...just as soon the batteries are charged...

here is where your delusional weakness ends lamb(bch)

you have been humiliated and proven wrong in every aspect of your energy and negativity towards me.

and made most of the moderators question your reactive childish mannerisms and abuse of editing power that you attempted to do to HIDE FROM ME.

then you immitate, my insults, including how becasue of what i clearley stated i wrote, you mis read, and beleived it because you WANTED IT TO BE TRUE.

even the wheel chair post, hence i called YOU DISABLED AND IN A WHEEL CHAIR FIRST.(plus many more examples i couldent give a fuck to bring up)

what is wrong with your life lamb.
what is wrong with this picture

you are blantently dwelling in your own weakness, and misery.

childish mannerisms,

do you really feel some one of my existance trying to provide awareness for people to judge for them selfs, really has an interest in helping you realise any of these faults.

what are you messed up, and or a junkie?

you are less of a man than i, but so what,
i dont care about your recongnition, its usless in my life.

you can have all your fantasy bullshit, ego trip, and childish wimping sarcasims,

do you really think i give a fuck, i dont want people to think, of me as better than you, they can obviously see that you are less than them by your PROVEN DISPLAY AND BeHAVIOUR.

i dont care about this looking up, and your so cool fucking crap, you can have it, is that what you want.

then take it, here the baby can have its bottle,

do you really beleive you are real,
and that you have significance in being part of the direction i emulate in my posts?

ask your self, judge your loyalties, and then

GO... AND GET FUCK'D LAMB, AND HUMILIATE YOUR SELF IN YOUR OWN UN PRODUCTIVE LIFE.

who gives a fuck about your weakness you address and say to me, you?


you loose.-i dont care though.

fuck off wimp.




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