ya know that cc's have those black things on the back that have the pin in it? is there a tool or program so i can find that out? also does every atm have one of thos master codes?

It's actually a dark brown.

well everytime i look at a cc were i live there black, i might be colorblind . Oh and to let everyone know, even though i'm asking this doesn't mean i'll do it. I just wanted to know and i'm not gonna try any of this. I was just curios and well i was just curios...

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maybe you could alter one of those cc readers they have at the store.

what store? you mean radio shack or circuit city? cc radears, you mean at grocery stores? or do you mean card writer thingies? and doesn't every atm have a master code to it?

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like at grocery stores when you pay. also you can buy drivers license scanners that scan the info off a drivers license that might work but i wonder if you could modifiy one of the scanners at the grocery store to read the #s because theres a surplus/electronics store i go to where you can buy them for about 10 bucks.

hey raver...i also heard that those card writers from hotel rooms are good to use, is that true?

no idea

The atm card or cc only hold you account details not your pin, what happends is when you put you card into an atm it gets your account details and relays them to a central computer then you put in your pin # and it goes to the computer to see if it's the right one for the account, if it isn't the right pin it sends a message back to the atm saying it's wrong and it wont give you $$$

i swore on of the cards did hold the pin number.....