Many people think they are punk, I am not punk but for the most part I get the idea. If any of the following apply to you then you are not punk.

1) you are not punk if you listen to blink 182

2) you are not punk if you shop at hot topic

3) You are not punk if you do not possess a "fuck you" attitude

4) you are not punk just because you went to warped tour

5) You are not punk if you just recently changed your style to be cool.

feel free to add any other items to the list if you notice anything. I'm just sick of all these trendy ass bitches who think they are punk. Thank you for your time.

6) You are not punk if you actually bought a ticket to Warped Tour.

Who the hell are you guys to judge what is punk and what isn't?

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"God has not been proven not to exist, therefore he must exist."

People who hang out with punkers, maybe? Ex punks, perhaps? They know what they're talking about. #7, you wear one of those damned studded belts that are starting to get popular because it looks good with your pants from American Eagle.

fucking WHAT?!!???! THERE IS NO FUCKING TRUE PUNK ALRIGHT? Maybe the kid who went to see blink182 with 5 other hopeless punk bands in early 90s might still like blink182 not to say i love em but there is no stero typing NONPUNKBLINKFAN even tho there are lots of trendy fans, but this is because they buy pop music and blink are in the charts. Maybe a little 'real' punk got rich and decided to but some shoes from hottopic..ooooooo all thier years of moshing and shit are wiped for they have broken unwritten punk law #5678 do not shop in commercial places.Maybe some punks can't sell. We dont have hottopic here but I'm guessing its a cheap rip off punk fashion but still, people buy what they want listen what they want kill who they want.grrrr

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you can be a punk and not have a negative atitude on life. lol. it actually is possible. some punks are actually NICE people. some of them actually want to succed in their life (according to he worlds standards)

i know a punk who is going to be an accountant.

he is absoolutely punk.

i dont have a 'fuck you' atitude, and i KNOW that i am a punk. you can't define punk. its all in the way one pulls it off. it doesn't matter if he does a certain thing, or dresses a certain way.

i would say that being origional is what defines someone as punk. they dont conform to social norms and such. hell, i play a cello. does that make me not punk? hell no. i have been a fiend (avid misfit fan) scince the 6th grade!! i just choose to portray it differently than other people.

Sorry man but ur wrong, Punks first appeared in in England in the 70s and people were shocked to see such a rebelious attitude, it was even a interesting show for turists.

Why were the called punks? U know were trash\speed metal came from?(Im not talking anout ur Slipknot or Korn crap, cause some call it trash). Hard Rock+Punk = speed\trash metal. Why? Cause punk was a word used by cops for those lets say rebelious kids, wich means trash. Today nobodys a punk, ur all the fukn same, u wear large rapper pants, of course for u its not rappers pants, but they are. U listen to slipknot and korn and try to be rebels against rap, but if u have listened to metal before u should know that all ur alt|hardcore bands are rap based but mixed with powerchords.

At least before there was a difference between a punk, rocker, rapper(not much of tehm).... now ur all the same but ya think ur freekn different.

Trust me if in the 70 someone was called trash, it wasnt used as u use the word YO all the time.

Did u notice that all the time someones startn to show off he walks like he has a broken leg? Well that walkstyle came from rap, all so called hardcore guys and punk walk that way. Why u use the word YO? who the hell d u think was always sayn YO YO YO YO? rappers of course.

And as for all u slipknot guys, Im really sorry, everybody says that Slipknot are fukn cool cause theyre aggressive and all that shit, and theyre supose to be the first ones. Ur sayn that cause ur fuckn late in the metal scene, u listened to rap or country then u got into Slipknot cause it entereed the scene. And u think theyre the first to be agressive on stage(with all the shit they do), well ur dam late, Deathmetal has been there a long time, and its way more powerfull then ur slipknot and korn, and what slipknot is doin on stage is nothing compared to the old deathmetal bands. Look at urself the only dsiferrence between u and any other guy is RAPPERS HAVE BIG SHOES, U DRESS BLACK, and thats it.

ROFL?

yo?!

'Rapper pants'?????

man, i am the complete opposite.

i have a slight english accent (being around my grandmother too long) and wear plaid slack cutoffs.

thats the really funny thing. someone with a set idea on what 'punk' is, is an idiot. punk can be anything. in absolutely no way is it your atitude towards other people.

thats different

thats called being an asshole.

there is a difference.

Most of us know damn well slipknot wasn't the first. But that's not the point. Slipknot is cool, not because of the image they portray, but of What they are doing. Look at me. am I a punk? go see for yourself.
How? goto the 'great rock bands' topic, and read my list near the end.


Done that? now than, Am I a punk? I don't know. I'm differant from everyone else (I know I am), so maybe I am. There is no set definition for punk.

Give us a break, already. It's not about what you portray, it's the music you love.
I like lots, from Metal, to rock, to some rap, to everything in between. Even some classical, oldie rock, some Jazz, and even (albeit very little) techno.

I won't even talk about stuff that isn't even music (pop, country. It's just wrong.)

In conclusion, you can't classify any kind of music. you just can't. so don't.

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Ok let me say it again punk=trash trash=asshole. When ur trash ur an asshole, ur a punk.

Today ur a punk if u have skater shoes and blue hair, i was just tryn to show u the roots. Cause I read this article about guy sayn that hes proud to be a punk, and his mom told him that she doesnt like punks and it pisses him off. Well thtas cause his mom has a way more different definition of punks, of course he doenst know that, hes just listening to Blink 182.

Sorry man u dont know what ur talking about pop and country is way more musical then rap.
You said that cause u dont like that style.

I watched u list and what i saw is all the alt\hardcore bands. The only oldschool was Metallica(but everybody listens to Metallica, its popular) then the Beatles.


Of course I cant classify music, thats when alternative came in the scene, when everything was mixed, now we have all those bands with music mixed up, that u dont know who u are. DO u remeber the days when skaters rappers rockers had their style?
Then it all got into large pants and big tshirts, thats when the music scene got way to alternative. Then some try to revolt agaibst rap, while they were already dressed like rappers. AT least the shoes the hair color and dress color was made as a difference. Thas why there no definition for a punk in ur point of view, but im sorry man there is, but u all lost it, cause ur mixed.

if you want to know what makes punk,

listen to those credited with starting it.

the clash
the sexpistols, two of the foremost.

they didn't have a fuck you attitude at all. they cared very deeply about their surroundings and spoke of change.

the ramones are called the godfathers of punk because they basically laid the groundwork for the style, you didn't need 5 minute songs with all kinds of orchestrations. it was simple and to the point.

the sex pistols did not have to put all this boston and styx arena rock shit into their music to get people to listen.

no future spoke volumes in words alone, and the intensity that came from playing three chords with emotion instead of perfection.

Well i read this rock magazine long time ago and apparently the sexpistols were having a football game with a vase in a luxurious hotel. Not everybody acting bad is a total loser, everybody has a good view for something or someone. Even the worst guy u know. When i say trash im not sayn like theyre totaly evil. And back in those days bad attitude is nopt the same as today.

And ur right man, thats how punk was played, since it was in the streets the kids played a few chords pretty fast with emotion, like rap before. Now its all commercial.

first off here at totse we spell you and your, not u and ur it just makes everything hard to read when thats done.

second you cant have a strait definition of punk it seperate for every person.i feel punk is not just accepting social valeus and teaching without justifying them with your own reason and logic. punk is figuring out the truth for yourself and acting upon it in your own way. but i stress this is just my idea and i think it varies for every person.

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8) There is no such thing as a "punk", unless you are talking of one of those burning things you use to light fireworks.

so you are saying that because i am not an asshole, i am not (as you have defined it) a punk?

then i suppose you aren't either. according to your 'magazines' anyway.

Why would you want to be punk? The movements fuckin' dead and buried! If you define yourself the you limit yourself. I like so called "punk" music. I'm just sick of walking into my old highschool, or into the mall or any public place, and seeing kids who don't get it. These are kids who if times were different would have nothing to do with the stuff, but since society has now deemed punk "cool" (surely the final nail in the coffin of the punk movement/style/whatever.) they would be out listening to alternative or rap or whatever. Punk used to be cool... not by societies standards by the standards of people who understood what was going on. Now punk is window dressing for people who want to put on a front. Bar Room you are not a "punk" take that as a compliment.

bar room's fucking right.

and goddamn, since when does the music you listen to define what kind of person you are. it pisses me off when someones like wtf?!?!/! sum41 aint punk bitch!!! whaaaaaa! all going nuts and shit, who gives a damn, music is music, categories dont mean shit. everyone interprets music differently

"punk" is now the dominant style/trend in my school...I wish it was back to the good ol' days of snobby cliques and what-not...
now everybody thinks they're fucking original...nobody's fucking COMPLETELY original and individual...unless they sew they're own clothes and wear shit that no one's ever seen before...what i mean is individuality is not a style its a state of mind...anyways...it pisses me off that they think they're individuals when obviously EVERYBODY is wearing the same farkin' shit! it wouldnt bother me how they dress but they bring in their fuckin supposed "individual" attitude and they think they're so fucking ingenius...just because its cool at the moment

You shouldn't define yourself by what kind of music you listen to. Pop Punk has turned Punk into a joke. If you're one of the original punks then you're stuck in the past. If you're some teeny bopper punk you're a poser. Punk is dead, don't give me shit like "No, it's not, such and such a band is sweet!" a corpse'll twitch a couple times after it's dead. If you want to listen to punk music that's fine by me. If you want to tell me punk is going in new and exciting directions you can go back to your corporate boardroom 'cuz I'm not buying it. Punk culture has been killed by those who wish to exploit it, just as other groups like the swing kids or the hippies came to an end. Punks time has passed People make new folk music and people make new swing music put those genres have passed their prime. Since I can't go around killing all the trendy kids I want to kill this trend because it has taken something I liked and respected, punk, and turned it into something I hate and revile, a trendy popcultural subgenre.

And this is what happens with all things underground. New and bright ideas and true emotions are turned into cliches and popular fashion statements for profit. Shit happens.

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"God has not been proven not to exist, therefore he must exist."

Good to see some people understand. Looks like only a few see the truth. At least some had good opinions.

theres no such things as bad opinions either.

One word-EVOLUTION

i thought the most punk album of the last 5 years as prodigy's fat of the land, and i'm old enough to remember the latter stages of punk's first waves which reminds me the greatest punk song to my mind was Killing joke's empire song, came out about 1981/1982 if i remember correctly check it out if you like punk and havn't already heard it.

#9) Blink 182 was truely punk before Enema Of The State, so thou shalt not diss true fans from the beginning!


Is it just me or does everyone say you have to do this and this to be true punk? I blame MTV for this. All the little teenyboppers think its cool to dress "freaky". Fuck them, their missing the whole point. I just hope that it won't turn into a big movement: teeny bopper to "punk". Damn posers!

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I Eat Shit!

Hey Riot Kid, listen to Chicken Shit Conformist by the Dead Kennedy's. Maybe that'll change your mind.

Jesus Christ, if someone wants to walk around saying that they're punk or not, who gives a fuck. You can be a punk and not have a mohawk. Remember Jaime Owens? SHe met all of your criteria and called herself a punk. She was really just an idiot looking for a movement to identify herself with.

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That's a really cool song, and its true too, but who is Jamie Owens?

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"God has not been proven not to exist, therefore he must exist."

There's an exception to every rule, and Jamie used to be cool, now she is not. Fortunately we do not have to put up w/ her because she moved away. (In case you haven't figured it out yet she's just some girl we knew.) Punk is dead, long live punk!

Jaime Owens was a girl riot kid and I knew. She was dumb.

If kids who aren't punk by someone else's criteria but claim to be punk, let them. I used to get pretty pissed off at all of the stupid fucks who called themselves punked because they hated everyone except the homeless. Now I could care less, and if they actually help the homeless, that's great.

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I give up, you can all go play your trendy look how cool and socially concious games or whatever. I'm gonna get really pissed and instead of smashing things w/ a hammer like I want to I'll just be extremely caustic.

9) you are not punk if you listen to Morrissey during sex

10)if you listen to Johnny Cash during sex then you are METAL...and that's even better than punk

I'm not a punk in this pussy little "punker" subculture sense of the word.

But I'm definately a punk in the 1920's sense of the word.

Doesn't it mean whore in the 1920's sense of the word?

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"God has not been proven not to exist, therefore he must exist."

I think it means something like gay male prostitute in the 1920's sense of the word...

Yeah, I knew it was something like that.

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"God has not been proven not to exist, therefore he must exist."

::snarls:: aaaaaaarrrg...
I think it's kinda pathetic that hardly anyone on this entire thread attempted to answer the innitial question. All I see is a grip of "text book" definitions of punk. Get over yourselves! Everybody just jumped on riot_kid as an excuse to preach their mental impotance. That is indeed not very punk rock.

If you can't see that riot_kid was just innitiating a potentially great thread then fuck off and take your buthurt ego to the more PC room "punk oppinion."

Otherwise, pull that stick out of your arses and try to get a fucking sense of humor. Dick licks.
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11. If you've ever said "grunge is dead" to a Nirvana fan just to piss them off then you are NOT punk rock, but you probably think you are.

12. If you pay for groceries with rolled up dollar bills then you are a coke head and you probably listen to disco. Therefore you are the epitomy of un-punk.

I dress casually. I play a shitload of guitar, bass, drums, piano, and some trumpet. I'm tall. I'm kinda big. I have a fucked up knee and I dig Irish chicks. I like Bad Religion, Lagwagon, NOFX,and Green Day.

Which one of these comments immediately led you to believe I was, or wasn't, punk? It's not easily definable to say the least :P You can say punk is dead, but are you talking about a culture? Are you saying there aren't any more kids in their rooms banging away on a shitty Squire to a Sex Pistols record? I think the Sex Pistols suck, but I respect what they accomplished, even if they unplugged Sid's bass for shows. I still consider myself a huge punk fan. So if the guy down the street with the mohawk and Link 80 stickers on his Skateboard is screaming
"I'm punk as fuck" and I'm in my room practicing my pentatonic scales, which one of us is punk? It's all about preference and perception, yo.

Oh yeah, I went to Warped Tour '98, it rocked the party.


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Everybody Supernova.

I never said I was punk.

F O R F U C K S S A K E!! Can someone please tell me who the fuck is that decides who is what and what music makes who? Punk. Ok, that isn't so much around that you know of, but if you looked under your snotty nose into a slightly more underground scene you just might find some fucking cool music, with people looking like people do, no uniforms, having a fucking good time.
I have been to a fair few 'punk' gigs lately, and i can tell you it is certainly not dead.
If 200 people going mad with the music replacing blood in thier veins all loving the music like they always have done is dead, I dont know what the fuck you are on. There is so many different types of punk music, all with so much respect from fans, who are not in the charts, yet if they were you would hate them, and any old fan would be shot down as a teeny bopper.
I am going to 'holidays in the smoke' anyway, and I will see all you non beleivers there. Anyone can listen to this shit, and EVERYBODY will have a good time.
Dont be so fuckin narrow minded, bring some beer and energy and come to the best punk festival in the world.

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bollocks

I think that counter cultures that have a goal of causing cultural change are either hijacked by corporations who wish to make money, or eventually fizzle out. Punk appeared to be fizzling out, then corporations hijacked it. Punk as a relevant social movement is dead.

sorry dude but that a cop out.

corporations can rape the culture, but they can't dissable the movement.

capitalism can't exploit your oppinions or corse of action...assuming you don't let it.

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I don't call myself punk because of the music. I call myself punk because of the politics that go along with it. Music doesnt make you punk. Blink 182 and the sucide machines are two bands that blow and arent punk at all. They made there last cds and shit to make money punk is not selling out your morals and believs for money. Just like fashion and hair doesnt make you punk what makes you punk i on the inside. If you listen to punk rock listen to the words its a way to get there ideas out with out being prosecuted. Oh yeah and you cant be punk if you believe in god and for the asshole who was talking about blink 182 your a real intelligent guy arent you. I can tell just becauyse you started your reply with fuck off.

hey lost mind i can tell you are real punk. Those arent the first bands by long. They were the first bands to sell out play on the radio and shit. They didnt start it it was before them. Ever heard of sham 69, or the subhumans.

Subhumans and Sham 69? What the fuck are you talking about? Both those bands came AFTER the sex pistols.

If you want to get into OLD punk though, then I've got to ask you. Have you ever heard of: David Bowie (if you havn't, kill yourself) Iggy Pop & the Stooges, Television, the Voidoids, The Heartbreakers, (not tom petty's band) The Velvet Underground, MC5. I think Blondie was around for a bit before the British punk(though definetly not before Oi music came out). I'm not sure. Anyway, the Talking Heads, before they went New Wave. Umm... I could probably think of more, but I really don't feel like it right now.

Anyway, once again, I have to ask, who the fuck are you to decide what's punk or not?

You obviously consider yourself a political punk. Whatever. Other types of punk that doesn't have to do with politics: Emo, a lot of hardcore doesn't, pop-punk usually doesn't (Gabba Gabba Hey!), a lot of Oi centers totally around drinking ( the Casualties, even though they suck, are still a punk band). And who says that just because you believe in god means you aren't a punk? You? (in case it gets missed, sarcasm) You seem like a real fucking authority.

Oh, and I wouldn't call anyone around here stupid. There's a lot of sexism here and they'd probably just go on and on about how your really gay. (Reference to his/her sexism post)

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I think that counter cultures that have a goal of causing cultural change are either hijacked by corporations who wish to make money, or eventually fizzle out. Punk appeared to be fizzling out, then corporations hijacked it. Punk as a relevant social movement is dead.

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We're your judge, and I have to say, you are one hell of a no talent ass clown for acting like an immature three year old. "Who are you to judge?" It's whiny little brats like you who ruin perfectly good topics, and all because someone judges you.
Hey, here's a fucking news flash: Every time you take any action, people listen, they respond, they judge. So either use that abysmally small brain of yours, or at least refrain from making your brain farts public knowledge.

Sincerely,

The Rest of Humanity

i didnt say anything about not being punk and sham 69 and the subhumans were around that time period is what i meant but they still werent widely heard of. As far as the god thing goes i was kidding just like you have to be an anarchist. Me im not an anarchist i dont believe in god but thats just me everyone has different opinions they can still be kool and stuff im not juding anyone.

>>>>We're your judge, and I have to say, you are one hell of a no talent ass clown for acting like an immature three year old. "Who are you to judge?" It's whiny little brats like you who ruin perfectly good topics, and all because someone judges you.
Hey, here's a fucking news flash: Every time you take any action, people listen, they respond, they judge. So either use that abysmally small brain of yours, or at least refrain from making your brain farts public knowledge.
Sincerely,

The Rest of Humanity<<<<

why don't you use you're "abysmally small brain" to contribute to the thread BEFORE you rape it. Stop being such a fucking critic and let's hear what you have to say dick lick. Fuck of!

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first you should learn to speak english properly. then you should probably learn to type. then you should figure out what the hell you're talking about. then maybe people will listen.
by the way, this message is to mack



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First of all, english is not my first language and dont talk about learning how to type if you cant put a capital after each "." you wrote.

Your comments were just returned to you by your self.

And I know very well what Im talking about.

Maybe you should have post a smart comment about my message not being clear. But you replyed to correct me in a strange way. Ill take notice of that reply if you put a capital letter after the "." and at the begining of the phrase. And a "." at the end of the phrase.

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::snarls:: aaaaaaarrrg...
I think it's kinda pathetic that hardly anyone on this entire thread attempted to answer the innitial question. All I see is a grip of "text book" definitions of punk. Get over yourselves! Everybody just jumped on riot_kid as an excuse to preach their mental impotance. That is indeed not very punk rock.

If you can't see that riot_kid was just innitiating a potentially great thread then fuck off and take your buthurt ego to the more PC room "punk oppinion."

Otherwise, pull that stick out of your arses and try to get a fucking sense of humor. Dick licks.

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6) you are not "punk" if you need to post a list on why people arent punk

eh.. hard rock + punk = grunge. yeah. kind of like nirvana's sound was a mix between black sabbath and the wipers. (imho.) and there is a big difference between rap and hip-hop. hip-hop influenced bands like koRn. rap is a bunch of rich people talking about their caddies, nines, forties, dogs, and hoes. while some rap songs are fun to listen to, rap doesn't compare to hip-hop in a musical sense. btw, baggy pants is a hip-hop thing, not a rap thing. rap was just influenced by hip-hop, so most rappers wear baggy pants too. m.c. hammer wore baggy pants. get your shit (can we say shit? ;x) straight. that's all i had to say.

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Sorry man but ur wrong, Punks first appeared in in England in the 70s and people were shocked to see such a rebelious attitude, .

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Velvet Underground, CBGBs New York.. Ramones were the first band to be classified "PUNK" the clash, sex pistols and the dammed had learned punk from the ramones when the visited england in the 70s. Learn your history please.

America Invented Punk! england just gave it a twist.

Whitewitch, go tell this this to all the others, telling me to learn my history while I had to tell all the others,dupek.

The punk movement started from england anyways. Punks were also known as tourodt sight were people came to watch them,, because it was something really strange back then.

Someone said, rock+punk=grunge, it is also said metal(rock)+punk =trash\speed metal.

Punk means trash, it was a name given to those whop were considered trash by society. In england.
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What Johny said is right, but what can the elders do about it? nothing,, these kids arent punk, but they need an image, and they follow it their way. In their era theyll be telling their kids they were punks, whatever. Im talking about those with large pants and skater shoes.

dude ok im punk .

punk is not dead .punk is whatever you want it to be. punk is anarchy.blink 182 sum 41 and anything on MTV and the radio is not punk get that threw your head. the ramones are the fathers of punk they never thought they were punk . there fans called them punk and thats how punk started . punk is underground anarchy music .there is not a punk style. in my opion i think punk lives. punks hate goverment .


jus to get that off my back

wow thankyou for pidgeonholing punk even more than riot kid, you have contributed so much with your first post, i hope all your others are just as good. perhaps maybe you should leave though coz i dont think any future post could live up to the goodness of that one.

oh and an interesting sidenote, joey ramone was a democrat, johnny was a republican, and the ramones werent that political. so were do you get that punks hate the government, generalised statements like that are just going to show everyone how much of a fool you are

If you think punk can't be defined then you haven't a fucking clue what punk is and nothing you say matters so shut the fuck up now. Punk CAN be defined, and HAS been defined and anyone who knows anything about what punk is, knows when a band is or isn't punk.

Punk started off as an anti mainstream movement, not because it was fashionable to be anti mainstream but because mainstream culture sucked and punk was a way to defy all the social conventions and give these young rebels a cause to fight for. It was a way of saying "fuck you, I don't want to conform to your bullshit, this is who I REALLY am, this is what I stand for, and if you don't like it, piss off!"

Real punk will never be mainstream because it is the opposite of what mainstream stands for. Mainstream pop culture saw a good subculture and totally exploited it by mocking just the image of punk but losing the whole point of the image in the process, hence hot topic being popular and blink 182. Blink 182 is as punk rock as my poodle's ass. Whiny pop songs about some douche bag's girlfriend is not punk rock, if you think it is then fucking shoot yourself and rid the world of one less sheep.

The continued existance of this thread is just one more example of proof that there is, in fact, no god. Fuck, I wish this thing were closed.

if it doesnt interest you then why are you posting in it? i would never close a topic in which people are actually discusing things.

well i am that punking hacker type the guy in your school that fucks up the computer network while on the side kicking ass to people to fuck off and stop bugging me i trust 3 people on this world my ex (i am still very good friends with) my best friend and me and most the time i dont trust myself so i guess that 2 and about music really once they go really commercial (meaning they start singing about girlfriends and lovy stuff aka hardcore pop) you dont like the way i dress well fuck you (i wear heavy snowboarding pants, Boots and jacket) i hate most politics (i think there idoits) i dont do drugs or smoke (i may overdose on my meds once in awhile for a high) i hate my family, i cant stand most people and fuck you if i dont care about my grammer. I have basicly been banned from most Schools (death threats and fighting) sorry if i an violent sorry if you have to earn my respect (i am fucking talking about you teachers) sorry if my family is a bunch of assholes sorry for basicly everything i am so dont be telling me i am a pozer iv been like this since grade 3 i dont have to like some sort of music (i like static-x, ultra spank the heavy shit) to be punk or shop somewhere (i goto where ever is the cheapest) to be punk you dont got to do drugs or smoke (i over dose on meds or sniff shit once in awhile) to be punk you dont got to dress some way to be punk (well you do) so stop calling punks pozers

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Static x isn't punk and being anti social and angry doesn't make you punk either. I was under the immpression that to even qualify as a punk you have to actually listen to punk music. You can listen to other shit but at least having a clue about what real punk music is, means you know more than 90% of these self proclamed teeny bopper punk wannabes and can actually have room to talk.

So you aren't a punk at all and it's sad you think so because it proves how raped that label is. No one is calling any punks posers because so far most of the people here who claim to be punk aren't fucking punk.

It's one thing to listen to shitty music and dress badly but why even label yourself something especially when you haven't a fucking clue what that label means? I don't get it. You can like Blink 182 and wear hot topic clothes but don't get mad when someone who knows what punk is laughs in your fucking face if you call yourself a punk.

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Yeah static x suck

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Originally posted by White Rabbit:
Static x isn't punk and being anti social and angry doesn't make you punk either. I was under the immpression that to even qualify as a punk you have to actually listen to punk music. You can listen to other shit but at least having a clue about what real punk music is, means you know more than 90% of these self proclamed teeny bopper punk wannabes and can actually have room to talk.

So you aren't a punk at all and it's sad you think so because it proves how raped that label is. No one is calling any punks posers because so far most of the people here who claim to be punk aren't fucking punk.

It's one thing to listen to shitty music and dress badly but why even label yourself something especially when you haven't a fucking clue what that label means? I don't get it. You can like Blink 182 and wear hot topic clothes but don't get mad when someone who knows what punk is laughs in your fucking face if you call yourself a punk.

[This message has been edited by White Rabbit (edited 04-01-2002).]

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look fucker i am getting pissed with all your bs punk is a way of living not music streo people like you just think we have to play that music its music that is rebal stuff witch is basicly whut punk is we dont need streo people like you telling us wut punk is an not so go fuck your self in the corner while playing NYSC and leave me alone

It seems that the one group that has the most trouble defining punk is the Punks themselves. Perhaps a ex punk turned techno phreak can help? The problem with punk is that it is Nothing more than a hatred of all that is established and old. Thats what everyone on this board (that iv'e read, anyway) seems to have in common. The establishment likes to define things, to put the in their place, so punk needs to be undefined to keep its rebellious nature and image. If you think that iage dosen't matter, Just look at the Misfits. Everyone seems to agree that they are a good punk band, and they had a definate image.

Another point. Why do you feel the need to define punk at all? Perhaps, by defining punk you can define yourselves? to figure out who you really are? Self security is not something I remember seeing a lot of when i was a punk.

Question. If a kid is rich, and likes punk, (I knew a guy like this) If this kid only buys cloaths at discount places and then tears them up, is he a punk, or a poser?

One Last thing, and the only opinoin I think has stayed with me after all this time. Punk is about doing what you want, even if its trendy at the time. How many of you stopped listening to korn, offspring, and Blink 182 Once they got popular? and what is that if not having your tastes changed by popular culture.

Sorry if i offended anyone. Im not a punk anymore, And i don't see how razing people for their piticular belifes makes the world any easier to live in.

PS - Rednecks and farmers who never listened to anything but country in their life were some of the first people to hate the government...does that make them the first punks?



[This message has been edited by Kylin (edited 04-01-2002).]

I don't think punk can really be defined. It's really hard to specifically point out what punk is but it's easy as hell to say what it isn't. And I think what you are talking about is more the punk attitude than punk itself and that's completely different.

John Denver had a punk attitude but that doesn't make him punk, and most of these lame teeny bopper korn fans don't have either the attitude or the actual label. Punk isn't like art where you can just say "it's whatever the fuck you want it to be" that's fucking lame and takes away from what punk stands for and cheapens it.

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Originally posted by Kylin:

Question. If a kid is rich, and likes punk, (I knew a guy like this) If this kid only buys cloaths at discount places and then tears them up, is he a punk, or a poser?
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it doesent matter wut ya wear its how you act if he did act pretty punk it matters if he means it or just wants to get attention its pretty easy to tell the clothes just help and the music comes after

well, I'm emo and proud of it... not like that's actually contributing to the argument or anything. I cry all the time. It's great. Everyone should try it. I wanted to be punk, but I figured it was too hard, and just settled for a whiny little emo kid.

You are not punk if youve ever a) Felt the the back of me' sinnuey right hand, or b) Felt my steel toed cleets tear up your colan.

this whole "punk" thing is such a joke (not on this thread, but in life). to me one of the factors in the creation of punk is how the "punks" hated mainstream and confroming. but now people conform to punk, in life there are few leaders but many followers. not even all the punks of the time of the ramones were true punks.. but thats just life, no one should be surprised. it just irritates me how people TRY to be punk and they actually think they are all differnt and specail and unique. when they are really what a prep is just doing it in another way. i just look at it like "im, me, or myself, and this guy here is what he is, himself" i also find it hard for people to be a true punk after hearing all about them and how a "average" punk would act. im not a punk nor do i try to be one, im myself

This doesn't have much to do with the thread, but I'm going to say it anway.

First, since its totally irellevant, I'd like to state something that I noticed when I was hanging out in New York on friday. I've come to the conclusion that EVERYTHING is exactly the same. Let me explain. I noticed that New York, a huge ass metropolis is exactly the same as the shitty little suburban town that I grew up in, except 1000 times more. 1000 times more people. 1000 times more money. 1000 times more things to do, but still basically the same.

Ok. This is sort of relevant. After a coupl eof years in the so called punk scene, I've noticed that all people have two semi-conflicting needs. One is a need to be free and to be an individual. I've noticed that everybody wants this. They express it in different ways, but everyone strives for it. To make them feel special. maybe to make them feel human, I don't know. Just something I noticed. The other need is the need to be accepted. Thats why even the punks, who are supposed to be open minded and accepting and free and blah blah blah blah, are the same as the so-called preps. They're both human. They both have the same stupid characteristics.

Oh well.

i totally agree, you put it into good words. everyone wants to be accpeted in their own way of expressing it, cos thats how we humans are.

fu k you all you all suck debating you god dam punk-ing-ness to eachother dont you think if you were a real punk you would be humble about it? dam pple its 1 fucknig this sate of mind...thinking about the good of others

Bwa ha ha ha ha ha ha!

p.s. my topic will never die!

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Originally posted by riot_kid:
Bwa ha ha ha ha ha ha!

p.s. my topic will never die!

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You little cunt-rag. Where's a fucking mod when you need one? Syphon make yourself useful for a fucking change.

i am being usefull. i am here to moderate not dictate. if people are having a serious discusion then there is no reason why it should be closed, in fact this may be archieved becsue it has recieved so much response.


as i have said before punk is different to all people. to me its simply making a decision and supporting it with reason and logic. if i decide the backstreet boys are cool and i want to listen to them and i back it up wiht reason and logic then i am punk. (i think we all know there is no reason and logic behind liking the BSB but just for the sake of example). i think we can all agree that punk is a state of mind. with that said then i think its only logical to say that since we are all different we cannot make a monolithic definition of a certain state of mind.

not every punk has to listen to punk (in my mind anyway). people like jefferson and voltaire qualify as punks in my book. i surely think it has nothing to do with clothing but most punk like a certain style.

as i have said before you cannot define an individuals state of mind so there is no concrete definition. punk to me is part of my motto to life "define your own reality" and "fuck it"

I originally started this topic to rip on trendy kids. In my opinion the worst people in the world. After seeing all these responses however I've come to a new realization. Over sensitive punk bitches are pretty bad too. Your scene is dead! It has been raped by corporate culture. The few bands and people who remain true to the ideal are becoming stagnant and static. Punk has ceased to be dynamic or fresh. If you want to cry about me saying something that offends you; maybe you should contemplate how lame you are for being so easily offended.

This topic is now by far one of my favorite that I've started or participated in. Nothing is more amusing than whiney bitches trying to justify lifestyle choices. Thank you for making me laugh everytime I open this thread.

You mean you're not punk riot kid?!?

punks = www.holidaysinthesun.net

= go to.

=fuckin gooooood laugh!

I just wanted to have the 100th post.

Cheers,
Lost

punk music, is music when you go up on stage, and play your brains out cus you love to do it and people love what youre doing, you dont care if what youre doing is "dorky" or "nerdy", you just do what you want to do. Punk style, same thing, i have a stud belt, i think it looks cool, i wear baggy pants sometimes, other times i wear wierd clothes, like plaid midcalf cutoffs, or pants that are kinda tight, it doesnt matter to me, i just, do what i think is cool (except, it is kind of funny when people freak out cus i decide to wear my clothes all inside out, i do some wierd stuff for kicks too) i hate people who divide everything, i listen to music because i like it, i like blink 182, i consider myself punk because that way i can easily stop the evil hampsters from taking over the world and enslaving all humans and using us to thier own evil ends. Anyway, when people come up with all this crap like "oh sum 41 aint punk its nu metal" I DONT CARE! I like the music, i dont stick to one type of music. Of course, to someone else punk is something completely different, and now that im repeating what has already been said, i shall return to my spotted dog glory.

i would expect that from someone from salt lake city, UTAH. god that city sucks ass. now on to more important things, you can think you are punk by listening to new found glory and blink 182. but you couldn't be more of a dumbass. punk isn't just playing fast it is A) a attitude B) lifestyle C) way of thinking and the most important of all D) it is just music, listen to it and have fun pogoing or moshing. but the biggest complaint i have with "punk" now, is that most of it isn't trying to preserve the rawness of the music, like through the 70's and 80's. most of todays "punk" music is over produced. the unseen hailed as one of the most popular punk bands now, their 3rd album sounded like it could have come out of fat wreck chords. this is disgusting, there are rules to being punk just like rules to being a communist, socialist, enviromentalist. etc... etc... you can deny it and say "punk doesn't have rules" and i will reply "ignorance is bliss"

And I will reply "Hampsters are evil" but that doesnt make it true does it.

Dude, chill out who cares if people want to be punk, man let them be whatever they want to be and leave them alone.

It makes me wonder why people say Blink 182 isn't punk music. It isn't pop. Pop is backstreet boys or britney spears. If you were to ask somebody who hasn't heard of Blink 182, or the Ramones, and then played both of the cd's for them, they would judge that both were punk. Just because blink 182 make a lot of money and are on MTV doesn't make them pop. Who is to say that they don't enjoy what they are doing? If you have ever watched a documentary or something, it seems like they have a hell of a good time doing what they do. And what if they don't act like other punk rockers? Isn't punk rock a type of music? Not JUST an image? If you were to say that "The guys in Blink 182 aren't punk" I would have to agree with you. But their music is punk style with a few catchier tunes and they are on MTV and they earn a lot of money. So I guess that none of you would ever like to earn any money? Is that how it is? If you were doing it for fun, I don't think you would turn down a paycheck just to keep it "sacred" and "original". I am not a die-hard Blink 182 fan or anything. I do enjoy some of their songs. I just can't stand how everyone makes false accusations, and fall into "punk stereotypes", and jump to conclusions so fast just because they don't particularly care for a certain band. It would be a smart thing to examine why you really hate certain bands.

I agree totally dude.

blink has a punk sound but they certainly arent punk music. punk music is almost always political. in contrat emo is about girls and teen life. blin 182 has a punk sound but is pop-emo.

punk is just a word...
this topic/argument is very old and brought up way too much