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Old 2002-12-02, 16:33
Deathrow588 Deathrow588 is offline
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Default Best Available Drug

I understand some of you may be tired of this sort of question which is why i will understadn if it doesnt get many replys but anyway,here it is: Overall which of the following is best for simulating the effects of any drug?:
Nutmeg
DXM
Vanilla Extract(to get drunk)
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Old 2002-12-02, 17:05
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dxm can be similar to Ketamine and PCP...But not really. Vanilla extract can be similar to getting drunk off of some nasty ass drink...And nutmeg, dont even bother.
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Old 2002-12-02, 18:04
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Scottish people sure have a lot to be proud of.
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Old 2002-12-02, 18:15
CRaZyAmishMaN CRaZyAmishMaN is offline
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so americans are stupid, eh?

dxm. i'd rather swallow some capsules of powder than eat or drink something nasty.

[in fact, if you want to be grateful that all drugs aren't FUCKING NASTY i suggest you eat some nutmeg and then drink some vanilla extract.]
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Old 2002-12-02, 23:42
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I got a question Deathrow588, how did you get high on nutmeg. I've tried it on 2 occasions, and nothing happened. Anyway, back to the post, the best drug is weed. So, get some dank and smoke all night long.
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Old 2002-12-03, 05:40
Sivvy Sivvy is offline
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lol ha haha haha ha haha

i pity the person who uses any of those substances and calls it a drug experience. i call it poisoning.
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Old 2002-12-03, 17:12
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I'd go with the DXM, Nutmeg is pure shite and its (as sivvy said) more like poisening yourself than tripping. I wouldn't know about getting drunk from Vanilla Extract but i know that shit tastes bad, it even tastes bad if you put to much in whilst making a sponge cake or something.

Chunk
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Old 2002-12-03, 19:28
Deathrow588 Deathrow588 is offline
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quote:
Originally posted by Lokil:
Scottish people sure have a lot to be proud of.


What you mean?

 #9 
Old 2002-12-03, 20:13
LiQkUiD LsD LiQkUiD LsD is offline
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weed and shrooms are the best available
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Old 2002-12-03, 20:19
Deathrow588 Deathrow588 is offline
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Yeh i have easy acess to an area that they must grow but i would not have a CLUE what to look for when looking for shrooms. I would prolly end up killing myself.
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Old 2002-12-03, 23:49
Rezurrektur Rezurrektur is offline
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a frenid of mine tried getting drunk on vanilla extract.. he said he got dizzy and threw up


dont do any of those
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Old 2002-12-03, 23:55
pyro918v pyro918v is offline
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yea for real, dxm nutmeg and vanilla extract are petty pathetic drugs thatll give u a headache or make u throw up and get dizzy... go get some weed and try a few pain killers...
 #13 
Old 2002-12-04, 00:38
Tchort Tchort is offline
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All of you who are criticising Dextromethorphan are motherfucking idiots.


quote:
yea for real, dxm nutmeg and vanilla extract are petty pathetic drugs thatll give u a headache or make u throw up and get dizzy... go get some weed and try a few pain killers...


What an absent minded fool. So DXM is 'pathetic', because according to you it 'gives you a headache makes you throw up and get dizzy'. By describing DXM like that it's obvious you've never tried it and haven't even used the brain you don't have to research about it to criticise it.

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Old 2002-12-04, 00:42
pyro918v pyro918v is offline
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yea your right, ive never tried dxm. Nor have i really read up on it. Oh well i'll go use my brain and research it maybe.
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Old 2002-12-04, 05:16
GW GW is offline
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Take nutmeg and you will throw up and shit and make you very sick.

I dunno about vanilla extract, doesn't sound tasty to me, get gin and juice (orange is best to mix with)

And for all those morons who think DXM is a joke, it's not. It's powerful if you take enough. It's in the same class as PCP and K (dissociative anasthetic). ITs fun too because my vision and everything gets choppy for me. Its just a drug that sounds gay because your drinking fucking cough syrup.
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Old 2002-12-05, 04:52
hartattack2188 hartattack2188 is offline
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ignore the DXM questions that i had posted on this thread (and now deleted)... i found a great long DXM FAQ on erowid.com - not done reading it, but so far i know the basic plateaus and i know in detail about knowing which DXM-containing drugs to take and not to take (and which other legal and illegal drugs not to take with DXM). whoever thinks DXM is a pussy drug should read this FAQ.... i thought cough syrup would be stupid like if i tried nutmeg until i read this FAQ. once i read the rest of it without going into the technical chemical part of it, i will decide if i am going to do DXM or not. so far, i want to try it with friends. maybe this weekend. it sounds pretty cool.

here is the link to the faq and here is the link to the rest of Erowid's DXM information.

(read the faq, it is a great one.)
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Old 2002-12-05, 05:07
Sivvy Sivvy is offline
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quote:
Originally posted by GW:
And for all those morons who think DXM is a joke, it's not. It's powerful if you take enough. It's in the same class as PCP and K (dissociative anasthetic). ITs fun too because my vision and everything gets choppy for me. Its just a drug that sounds gay because your drinking fucking cough syrup.


ketamine is a disassociative psychedelic not anaesthetic. and i dont think your promoting a drug by saying its in the same category as fucking pcp. i ordered the pure powder. not cough syrup. and yes, it is gay. eat shrooms.

quote:
Originally posted by Tchort:
All of you who are criticising Dextromethorphan are motherfucking [b]idiots.
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i know more about that shit then you ever will. i was doing grams in pure powder before anyone else even knew about the shit. cocnlusion: gay for me. but whatever you like, i dont care.

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Old 2002-12-05, 05:12
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i agree with chort... dxm is a great thing. just because its source may seem pathetic doesnt mean that it itself is. if it were sold on the street in powder form, i doubt that anyone would be calling it pathetic.
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Old 2002-12-05, 05:21
cornzornoplat cornzornoplat is offline
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nutmeg=bad idea...go with dxm out of those three
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Old 2002-12-05, 13:33
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quote:
Originally posted by Sivvy:
i know more about that shit then you ever will. i was doing grams in pure powder before anyone else even knew about the shit. cocnlusion: gay for me. but whatever you like, i dont care.




I hate to contradict you....
Wait a minute: no I don't.
I don't get pleasure out of it but I certainly don't hate it.

Anyway You are the one who�s not correct: PCP & Ketamine are both an anesthetic.
PCP was [I don't think it still is] used by Vets for animals - large ones: That why you keep hearing it referred to as an elephant
anesthetic.
Ketamine I know for a fact is an anesthetic because I occasionally order it at work for use with our animals -So don't try to tell me I'm wrong: Try looking it up before you post something like that - telling someone they're wrong.


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Old 2002-12-05, 22:50
Sivvy Sivvy is offline
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quote:
Originally posted by Metaphysicist:
Anyway You are the one who�s not correct: PCP & Ketamine are both an anesthetic.


i read on erowid a couple years ago (beforer it was illegal) that ket was considered an anesthetic at lower doses, but, by recreational doses, its a disassociative psychedelic. i tried looking it up now on erowid, but, they now consider it just like you said 'disassociative anasthetic'. i guess now that its illegal, the classes arent legit, as all human doses are high recreational doses. your not wrong, but im not some dumbshit that posts shit ive heard and considers it facts. (just outdated) and, sorry gm, your not wrong either.

quote:
Originally posted by Metaphysicist:
PCP was [I don't think it still is] used by Vets for animals - large ones: That why you keep hearing it referred to as an elephant anesthetic.


discovered in '55. i dont know if vets use it still either. good question. i doubt it, as i read in in a anti-drug book, that animals can have really bad experiences w/ pcp (especially dogs).

quote:
Originally posted by Metaphysicist:
Ketamine I know for a fact is an anesthetic because I occasionally order it at work for use with our animals.


vetinarian license required. thats all i know about that. were you ever tempted to use some of your animal meds yourself meta? i would be. i guess thats why i wont make it as a vet.

P.S. my quote of me you posted meta, i was refering to dxm.

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Old 2002-12-05, 23:11
Tchort Tchort is offline
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quote:
i know more about that shit then you ever will. i was doing grams in pure powder before anyone else even knew about the shit. cocnlusion: gay for me. but whatever you like, i dont care.


Lol, you sound like you know exactly how much I've used, how long I've used it, et al.

Get over yourself, you're a sad prick who also likes to lie. 'i was doing grams in pure powder before anyone else even knew about the shit'- uh huh, maybe in your little clique of friends in highschool.

and 'disassociative psychadelic'? lol.
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Old 2002-12-06, 01:53
Sivvy Sivvy is offline
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you were critisizing people who hated dxm and who havent tried it, which isnt a bad thing to rag on those hipocritical bastards, tchort. i was just trying to say that i did it and i didnt like it at all. but like i said, you can do whatever you want.

of course what i said about the "first person doing it" is not true, simply an expression. dont go overboard. take yer xanax.

k, laugh now everyone, once i find that erowid page that proves me right about that disassociative psychedelic thing you guys have to leave me alone and share partial credit of the correct categorizing w/ me.
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Old 2002-12-06, 02:00
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quote:
Originally posted by Sivvy:
vetinarian license required. thats all i know about that. were you ever tempted to use some of your animal meds yourself meta? i would be. i guess thats why i wont make it as a vet.

P.S. my quote of me you posted meta, i was refering to dxm.


I'd be lying if I said no, but - in all honesty, the time total spent thinking about it was less than the total time I've spent thinking about what a wonderful person my ex-wife is

[It just wouldn't have been worth it, had I got caught or something.]



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Old 2002-12-06, 02:44
Sivvy Sivvy is offline
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quote:
Originally posted by Sivvy:
k, laugh now everyone, once i find that erowid page that proves me right about that disassociative psychedelic thing you guys have to leave me alone and share partial credit of the correct categorizing w/ me.

http://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/essential_psychedelic_guide/ketamine.shtml

i need your apologies posted.

plus, meta, you were probably thinking about your horses like 'if i do this shit and get caught, i lose my license and then my horses suffer from my actions.' i mean, if my german shepard needed medicine for something, id never steal it. no matter the buzz.
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Old 2002-12-06, 14:30
Tchort Tchort is offline
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uhhh Sivvy this is heresay. Some guy who wrote his little version of, basically, what Ketamine means to him. I just browsed the article and didn't see the term 'disassociative psychadelic' anywhere.

In any event, I don't consider this a valid source. The author doesn't appear to be a chemist or any kind of authority on the subject, either.

Meta hasn't responded yet but in my view, this link doesn't prove anything- you are still wrong nice try though.
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Old 2002-12-06, 16:24
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Real Ice (U4EAH)
Molly
DMT
All though dmt is pretty hard to get hold of, it took me a few years to find it and that was only a one off
Damm that was intense
Ice is fairly hard to get a hold of in these parts, same with pure molly as well
Back to pills and meth it has been
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Old 2002-12-07, 01:02
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quote:
Originally posted by Tchort:
In any event, I don't consider this a valid source. The author doesn't appear to be a chemist or any kind of authority on the subject, either.


he wrote it, and it was published. erowid put it on their page. thats authority enough for me. i dont care anymore though, so im wrong. so you really believe dxm is a good experience eh?

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Old 2002-12-08, 00:15
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I prefer a good high 3rd to high 4th plateau of DXM to any other drug I've ever done

Regardless of whether something better comes along to fit my preferences, I view DXM as the 'best high'.
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Old 2002-12-08, 04:12
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I dunno about Vanilla, but I used to drink mint extract all the time when my liquor stash got low. Not anymore... now I got a 23-year-old friend. Anyway, that shit sure tasted nasty, and it barely threw you to drink the whole little bottle.
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Old 2002-12-08, 04:25
chemmy_chemmy_420 chemmy_chemmy_420 is offline
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one word
candyflipping
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Old 2002-12-08, 14:01
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quote:
Originally posted by chemmy_chemmy_420:
one word
candyflipping



Who are you talking to?

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Old 2003-01-06, 03:03
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DXM is the best out of those three. People that think DXM is gay because it comes in cough syrup: would your opinion be the same if DXM were smoked? I don't expect an answer just think about it.
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Old 2003-01-06, 03:20
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Hey, once again we're forgetting to include huffing bagged cow manure. There's an experience you can enjoy with all your homeless buddies!!
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Old 2003-01-07, 04:19
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quote:
Originally posted by DuBzZz420:
Hey, once again we're forgetting to include huffing bagged cow manure. There's an experience you can enjoy with all your homeless buddies!!


lol
 #36 
Old 2003-01-07, 09:33
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DXM should not be thought of as a substance abused by "people who can't get acid or real drugs". Think of DXM as a powerful drug, and a side effect is helping with coughs. When used properly DXM can cause amazing psychadelic effects. www.dextroverse.org has some good research, along with erowid
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Old 2003-01-07, 09:50
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i used to do dxm quite a bit, as it was readily available from edmund scientific a couple years ago (along with 2-ct) but i stopped once i heard rumors of it fucking with the reward system in your brain, releasing dopamine at "unappropriate" times... and if memory serves right, doesnt heroin severely damage the rewards system in your brain? It was a very eye opening experience all in all though, and definately shouldnt be taken to "get fucked up". Some aspects of it were almost similar to datura.
 
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