ok today i bought some salvia 10x extract,its only about 2 grams and i paid $25 for this shit but i've been desperate this,my question is what is this best setting to do this in,like should i do it outside in the dark or in my bedroom with stero on etc...i read somewhere that the perfect setting is important for a good salvia trip..

Strap your ass down on your bed and bolt the bed to the floor.


No seriously, you should be on your bed with nothing breakable around you. You should also preferably have total silence and be in darkness.

You also should have a sitter present.

Smoke the most ridiculously large hit you possibly can and hold it for about 30 seconds....for a breakthrough.

The environment doesn't matter as long as you are safe. If you break-through intensely,
You are not really cognicent of your physical surroundings.

ok its been a few hours since i've made this post and since then i've smoked some..i did as you instructed..i smoked a bowl from a handpipe holding the first few hits in about as long as i could(about 30 seconds) the rest of em i held in about 15 seconds b4 exhaling..after finishing the bowl i layed back feeling quite relaxed with a mild buzz but to tell you the truth it wasnt really anything i could have gotten more fucked off a joint.anyway about 15 minutes after smoking the first bowl i decided to smoke another holding each hit in as long as i could and still i had no really intense effect just really relaxed and i couldnt keep thought in my head long enough to express them to my g/f(sitter)i found myself laughing for about 5 minutes and feeling rally lightheaded..i did some searching and read that salvia has a "reverse tolerence" and that first timers sometimes dont get the full effect of the drug until theyve done it a few more times.was this my problem?well i'm all out of it but i was thinking should i maybe get the 15x extract or stick with the 10?also i got this shit at my local headshop it came in small bag with about 2 grams of dried leaf stuff.was this shit crap?the distributor of this product was "holy smoke" a company out of california anyway any advice will be appreciated

a small percent of headshops will sell dried leaves as salvia, or other strains of saliva (ie not slavia A)
you might have got really weak slavia, or they might make their own extract, and use the leaves to make it, then sell the leaves w/ no chemicals. ud be suprised, a lot of places do this...4:20 at myrtle beach SC does it, my cousin worked there and and they just resell it.

Darksalvation: Most likely the salvia you have is bunk. IT HAS TO BE STANDARDIZED (for the millionth time). Standardized salvinorin 10x extract....and nothing else!

Don't buy salvia from a headshop. They'll sell any BS "extract". I bet it was just plain leaf.

Don't beleive the "reverse tolerance" malarchy. People just learn how to smoke it right over time.

Finally: You need to smoke it out of a waterbong and you need to use a lighter. That combination allows for the vaporization of salvinorin, otherwise the stuff never gets into your lungs...it stays in the ash.

salvinorin A also vaporizes at a higher temperature then a cigarette or weed so u need like a butane torch of something of that sort to properly absorb the vapors

help list:
butane torch
waterbong
mellow surroundings( low light,no TV or back ground chater)
salvia extract ONLY (NO LEAF OR TINC)
A VALIUM FOR YOUR SITTER WHEN YOU TRY TO EXPLAIN WHERE YOU JUST WENT )))))))))
get rid off the leaf and use the extract, the organic will have an alkaloid remaining in it that has been linked to visuals, where the standardized MAY not. Using the 10x you may need 1/2 a gram to reach level 3-4. If you happen to hit level 4 or 5, well as you will soon see, hear, and feel it just can't be explained. IT'S ALL GOOD. My first trip was off 10x extract purchased in a head shop in Big D, just make sure it's extract and not the leaf. Have a GREAT O.B.E.

Shadowmonster: "the organic will have an alkaloid remaining in it that has been linked to visuals, where the standardized MAY not. Using the 10x you may need 1/2 a gram to reach level 3-4. If you happen to hit level 4 or 5..."

Huh? I know you have good intentions but this part is incorrect.

Standardized extract is what you want, not the other way around. Standardized extract means that the company adds an exact amount of the pure compound salvinorin A to a gram of regular salvia leaf. The regular leaf contains about 2mg salvinorin A per gram and they add an additional 23mg to that gram to make it 25mg/salvinorin A per gram (10x)....and that is what you want. With this definate potency, all you need is about 80 milligrams to break-through.

The other way (and cheaper way) is to just do a simple acetone extraction reducing 15 grams to one gram. This is the crappy and inefficent way as a percentage of salvinorin never gets extracted and what does is not spread evenly througout the leaf/extract. Plus all the gummy tars and resins remain in the extract reducing its potency per wieght.
This is the way most "headshop" product is made. This is not the product you want.

Again, to find standarized product, simply type in "standarized salvinorin salvia" in your search engine. Make sure the site is legitimate.

Secondly, there are no alkoloids in salvia. Salvinorin A (the only psychotropic chemical in salvia) is a diterpene that affects K-opiate receptors in the brain. It is the only diterpene hallcinogen known to man as well as the strongest naturally-occuring psychotropic with psychotomimetic properties at 200mcg. Basically, that means it's an unbelievably strong, kick-ass substance.



[This message has been edited by Neiztsche (edited 11-01-2002).]