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| Better Living Through Chemistry Discussions of any and all sorts of mind-warping chemicals, pills, booze, mind machines, trippy stuff, making beer, current street prices, importing pharmaceuticals, smart drugs, nutrients, herbs, and altered states. Please try to keep your conversations "theoretical" in nature, since this is an open conference. |
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#1
 2002-10-13, 17:02
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Domenic Foglia 
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Hash Oil
Hi everyone i have a question i recently read an article on this site on making hash oil, i was really interrested on it and me and a friend are gonna give it a shot on making it, but my question is what is acetone? is it safe to use and is there any health risks involved in it? is it alright to smoke? i'll post the article's address and u can give me ur input and what u know about that acetone stuff, and it also says its okay to use rubbing alcochol, but thats posisonous too so whats safe? http://www.totse.com/en/drugs/marijuana/thc-xtct.html
thanks and keep smoking
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#2
 2002-10-13, 17:09
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culinaryoverlord 
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Re: Hash Oil
Find the thread "acetone again" in this forum, if you don't want to use acetone use %99.9 isopropyl alchohol.
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#3
 2002-10-13, 19:26
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40ozTOfreedom 
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Re: Hash Oil
id use acetone. its very safe. ive used it on all the hash oil ive ever made, and every time i clean my pipe.
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#4
 2002-10-14, 00:56
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Impulses 
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Re: Hash Oil
This sounds very interesting indeed... Does anyone know how valid that extraction method is? Exactly what kind of "cloth" is needed? Would a T-Shirt do?
[This message has been edited by Impulses (edited 10-14-2002).]
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#5
 2002-10-14, 05:15
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culinaryoverlord 
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Re: Hash Oil
A couple of clean J cloths would do it, running it through a coffee filter after will remove more fine particulates. Do not attempt any extraction unless you have at least 1/2 oz of shwaggy weed, don't bother making oil out of good bud unless you have a lot a lot.
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#6
 2002-10-14, 13:31
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Impulses 
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Re: Hash Oil
I was thinking about extracting 3 grams of high quality pot. You would advise against that? Why?
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#7
 2002-10-14, 17:43
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kronikus 
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Re: Hash Oil
I would advise against it because it would be a waste of time and weed. You won't get a decent amount of oil to justify an extraction.
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#8
 2002-10-14, 20:38
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adihash 
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Re: Hash Oil
I use hash oils to smear my papers with and to dip bud in.
The high from hash oil is a different, like eating.
I only bother when I'm lucky enough to get alot of skunk to play with, or unless you get resin straight from the plant. The stuff with chemicals and processed weed isn't good enough.
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#9
 2002-10-14, 22:24
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Impulses 
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Re: Hash Oil
The weed I have now is extremely potent. One hit is enough for a good high. Hash oil would seem to be even better if I do it right but I don't want to waste my high grade bud.
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#10
 2002-10-14, 22:35
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culinaryoverlord 
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Re: Hash Oil
The basic point of doing and extraction is to turn leaf or shitty bud into a smokeable/sellable product. Doing an extract on bud will yield a very high test product with slightly different psychoactive properties, but all in all will not be worth it because some resins will remain in the buds. If you extract your 1/8 you will end up with about 1/4 to 1/2 gram wicked oil, but collecting it from your evaporation pan will be a bitch. Find out where your dealer gets his buds, find the grower, offer to cook his leaf down in return for a share of the final product, don't blow up your house in the process, a lot of the extractions do not emphasise the dangers of eveporating a lot of flammable solvent.
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#11
 2002-10-15, 21:08
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Impulses 
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Re: Hash Oil
Sorry to bring back this dusty old topic but I am quite interested in this. Soaking the bud thoroughly(multiple soakings) would solve the problem of the oil staying in the bud wouldn't it? A friend of mine is pitching in 2 grams, making the grand total a qt. ounce. How much oil will that yield? How much oil is needed to get stoned? It is top notch reefer and I will provide more than enough time for evaporation as well. Please help me out here and I will shut up 
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#12
 2002-10-16, 00:15
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CRaZyAmishMaN 
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Re: Hash Oil
if you are going to do an extraction and not waste bud you might want to do the butane extraction (i've heard this is a great extraction) http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_info13.shtml i want to try an extraction and smoke some of the thc-less weed... could be interesting.
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#13
 2002-10-16, 01:25
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Dr.Green 
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Re: Hash Oil
DO NOT USE ACETONE! Yes, it is a great solvent. Yes, you can evaporate MOST of it. (Same for CCl4) But it is very toxic to the liver. I find it most wise to use ethanol. Isopropyl and Methyl alcohol are more toxic and taste bad. With ethanol, you will have adequate yields, and a toxicity your body can deal with if any traces are left after evaporation. Ethanol does not produce an off taste, either. Acetone may very well be the culprit in the purported liver toxicity of Kava kava extracts as well. Don't put a solvent in or on your body that you would not drink!
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#14
 2002-10-16, 01:41
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D.N.S 
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Re: Hash Oil
quote: Originally posted by Dr.Green: DO NOT USE ACETONE! Yes, it is a great solvent. Yes, you can evaporate MOST of it. (Same for CCl4) But it is very toxic to the liver. I find it most wise to use ethanol. Isopropyl and Methyl alcohol are more toxic and taste bad. With ethanol, you will have adequate yields, and a toxicity your body can deal with if any traces are left after evaporation. Ethanol does not produce an off taste, either. Acetone may very well be the culprit in the purported liver toxicity of Kava kava extracts as well. Don't put a solvent in or on your body that you would not drink!
if you can taste or smell a solvent it means you havent let it evaporate enough
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#15
 2002-10-16, 01:52
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Dr.Green 
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Re: Hash Oil
True D.N.S. Many do not evaporate enough. Even if you do past the point of tasting it, the potential for residue is still there. Wise to use a less toxic solvent to minimize chance of toxicity. The liver does not always let go of traces of poisons, which do accumulate.
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#16
 2002-10-16, 08:07
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adihash 
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Re: Hash Oil
impulse your still gonna get a measly amount of oil for your bud. Your gonna need a couple of ounces at least. If you wanna start experimenting you better start growing. 
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#17
 2002-10-16, 21:26
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Impulses 
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Re: Hash Oil
That is very disapointing... I was hoping to get between a gram and 2 grams of oil. Is that a tad unrealistic?
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#18
 2002-10-16, 23:36
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methmaster 
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Re: Hash Oil
If you have a quater of good nugs and you do the extract right, a gram of good oil is not by any means unrealistic. However I would personally go with MeOh (Methanol, or Methyl Alc) instead of acetone. this is because methanol absorbes the TCH more quickly than the acetone will. I would only leave the ground up buds in the methanol for about 30 minutes each time. (and I would do it 3 times) SOmebody above said that it is more toxic than acetone. Thats untrue, but it doesnt really matter anyhow since you will be FULLY evaporating the solvent to obtain the final product. Be advised that hash oil tastes much more harsh than buds and may make you hack a lung out. You will loose that sweet taste of good buds completely when you make it into oil. Its a good learning experience and I would definetly recomend going for it.... at least to just say that you gave it a shot.
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#19
 2002-10-17, 00:45
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Impulses 
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Re: Hash Oil
Then I'm gonna try it... I have a good dealer now anyways. Thanks for the help. I will post on how it turns out.
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#20
 2002-10-17, 04:48
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OC40 
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Re: Hash Oil
ok man, here is the easy and fast and SAFE way to make hash oil.. works really well.. here is a link to the page.. whole setup will cost u maby 10$.. http://groda-lotsapot.virtualave.net/drugs/Hash%20Honey%20Oil.htm
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